Debilitated moon

[VioletTwilight]

But most Jupiter antardasas have been horrible as far as I can think, with respect to money and mental peace. I am out of job, lot of free time and I would just read, read, read. So, may be they are good for knowledge.

Violet,

For reading is Mercury also checked or only Jupiter?

I am not quite sure of the question. If you mean how my Mercury antardasas have fared, they were moderately good for my career. Every Mercury AD I have started on a new learning program and did great in learning that.

[SuryaLagna]

Hello Violet Twilight,

I found your suggestion for 4th house Mars folks to be interesting...if you don't mind, could you share your experiences and insights about their personality?

Curious to know if your Jupiter is in the 2nd house...

And all the very best for that upcoming important meeting!

Thanks for your wishes. I will try my best.

Mars is very territorial. This translates to them (natives with Mars in 4th) wanting everything exactly where they have left any object in their space. If you move something (even if it is part of removing their clothes from the bed or moving their papers to table), they get upset about it. It feels "intruding" on their kingdom because they left them there "on purpose". Note that they might be messy or clean depending on the status of their Saturn and nodes.

So, it is better to leave them to their own room and their own bathroom, and if they cook, better to have their own kitchen (the worst part of the house for them to share).

Another thing is that they can get very angry and the expression of anger depends on the sign of Mars. I found that airy signs Mars will launch at you with "logic" points (their scolding goes one with "because you did...." all the time). Watery signs Mars just feel "insulted" (they would rant how they are not "respected" or "dishonoured" etc). Depending on the Mercury it can come out in words or just be a slow burn. I have not observed Earthy Mars or Fiery Mars.

One good thing is that strong Mars never keeps grudges. They will try to hurt you either physically or emotionally and move on. If Moon is involved though, then it is a different story. Weakness in any of these grahas makes forgiveness difficult. Weak Mars will try for underhand methods at revenge, and weak Moon will keep a grudge forever IMHO.

But, Mars is somewhere for everyone and Mars can make us all anger prone in that area. What is different with 4th house Mars is that the 4th house represents Cancer in natural zodiac and the first watery sign. It also represents heart. So, their anger is deeper than others, and their anger can actually hurt their physical heart (depending on other grahas involvement of course, this is modified). Barbara Pijan Lama also adds that if it is not always 'anger' from 'angaaraka' then it can also turn into 'anxiety'.

Dear Violet,
Quite informative. This is just what i wanted to know about mars and kept on asking others. I make sure that i hurt the person physically or emotionally when i am hurt and then peacefully move on.

Mars is my 4th and 9th lord. It is giving me the 4th effects well.

Regards
SL

[basab14]

I am not quite sure of the question. If you mean how my Mercury antardasas have fared, they were moderately good for my career. Every Mercury AD I have started on a new learning program and did great in learning that.

You have said that in your Jupiter period you have been reading a lot. I wanted to know generally which planet signifies reading books: is it Jupiter only, or Mercury also signifies it? I also read books, so I am wondering if it is my Jupiter which makes me read, or my Mercury.

[VioletTwilight]

Dear Violet,
Quite informative. This is just what i wanted to know about mars and kept on asking others. I make sure that i hurt the person physically or emotionally when i am hurt and then peacefully move on.

Mars is my 4th and 9th lord. It is giving me the 4th effects well. However as far as 9th house is concerned, what i have noticed is that things dont materialize for me that easy. 9th house being the most important house, if slow, can cause a lot of delay in many aspects of life, especially marriage. I can send you the entire details on pm or mail.

Regards
SL

Dear SuryaLagna,

Thank you for helping me learn more about Mars.
I should note though, that I am still a learner in a lot of aspects. I am at beginner stage about Marriage. Either in predicting partner or timing the marriage are really where I am trying to learn the most. I can only comment on general indicators about marriage.

7th house, 7th lord, Venus (karaka), Upapada lagna, and navamsa are all seen about marriage. For Mars in 4th house, delaying marriage is said to be a good thing due to issues with "room sharing".In your case, 7th house lord is Saturn, and 7th house is aspected by Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and Rahu. On top of that, Saturn is conjunct with Sun and Mercury. Basically, every graha other than Moon+Ketu is involved in 7th house matters. It is very confusing for beginner like me to make sense of anything in the middle of all this. Sorry about that.

9th house is generally thought of as representing father, religion, and higher studies. A general advice for improving any house matters is to keep the karakas and people representing them happy. Your 9th house is also aspected by Jupiter. Improve your relationship with father to see improvement in 9th house matters.

Best regards,
Violet

[VioletTwilight]

I am not quite sure of the question. If you mean how my Mercury antardasas have fared, they were moderately good for my career. Every Mercury AD I have started on a new learning program and did great in learning that.

You have said that in your Jupiter period you have been reading a lot. I wanted to know generally which planet signifies reading books: is it Jupiter only, or Mercury also signifies it? I also read books, so I am wondering if it is my Jupiter which makes me read, or my Mercury.

I generally read a lot. The difference between Jupiter and Mercury was the quality of reading. In Jupiter AD, it is non-fiction books reading about religion, philosophy, world history, and child psychology (unstructured learning - voluntary reading). In Mercury AD, it is all technical reading as part of course-work or part of doing my job (structured learning - required reading), and also most of the reading was on electronic devices instead of physical books/paper.

So, I guess you have to look at what you are reading and why.

[SuryaLagna]

Dear Violet,
Quite informative. This is just what i wanted to know about mars and kept on asking others. I make sure that i hurt the person physically or emotionally when i am hurt and then peacefully move on.

Mars is my 4th and 9th lord. It is giving me the 4th effects well. However as far as 9th house is concerned, what i have noticed is that things dont materialize for me that easy. I can send you the entire details on pm or mail.

Regards
SL

Dear SuryaLagna,

Thank you for helping me learn more about Mars.
I should note though, that I am still a learner in a lot of aspects. I am at beginner stage about Marriage. Either in predicting partner or timing the marriage are really where I am trying to learn the most. I can only comment on general indicators about marriage.

7th house, 7th lord, Venus (karaka), Upapada lagna, and navamsa are all seen about marriage. For Mars in 4th house, delaying marriage is said to be a good thing due to issues with "room sharing".In your case, 7th house lord is Saturn, and 7th house is aspected by Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and Rahu. On top of that, Saturn is conjunct with Sun and Mercury. Basically, every graha other than Moon+Ketu is involved in 7th house matters. It is very confusing for beginner like me to make sense of anything in the middle of all this. Sorry about that.

9th house is generally thought of as representing father, religion, and higher studies. A general advice for improving any house matters is to keep the karakas and people representing them happy. Your 9th house is also aspected by Jupiter. Improve your relationship with father to see improvement in 9th house matters.

Best regards,
Violet

Dear Violet,
Thanks a lot for ur reply on this.
Regards
SL

[VioletTwilight]

Dear SuryaLagna,

Delay or no delay is a matter of expectation. Mars matures after 28 years, Saturn after 36 years. If these two are strongly influencing marriage house, and kaaraka, then it is better to wait IMHO.

Frankly, Moon with double Ketu influence has to find someone with nodal Moon or nodes in the same 5-11 axis to understand each other. Even then, Mars + Saturn influence on 7th house means, it is better to be delayed and have lasting relationship rather than quick and breakable one. I guess Jupiter+Venus (for marriage) are fighting against Mars+Rahu (against marriage).

However, I don't really know anything useful to say on this matter.
Best regards,
Violet

[SuryaLagna]

Dear Violet,


Regards
SL

[VioletTwilight]

Dear Violet,
Mars being YK and aspecting the 7th, still can mars be against marriage?
Also My rahu is aspected by 4 planets jupiter, moon, saturn, mars. Does that have anything to do with fructification of marriage

Regards
SL

Dear SuryaLagna,

I don't believe that your YK has anything to do with marriage.

Just because a graha is YK doesn't mean it will lose its natural characteristics. Saturn being YK still gives difficulties to Taurus lagna. Mars is bachelor. He wants to support brahmacharya. I don't think he supports marriage/commitments even if he supports casual affairs. Jupiter wants marriage to support dharma. Venus wants marriage for enjoyment and partnership. Rahu wants partnership without legal/social sanction. So, Rahu promotes relationships without marriage (want to break "rules") or exotic/unconventional marriages. Saturn thinks one needs to wait for good things to happen. Being unmarried at around 32-33 isn't "delay" for him.

The idea of Upapada is that marriage is a "loss" and "expense" for the native to invest their energies. The idea of 7th house is that marriage is a partnership, whose "profit" is 5th house of children. The idea of navamsa is that marriage is a dharma, the rules one must follow for the prosperity of society.

Even though Rahu is co-lord for Aquarius, Saturn is stronger being conjunct with 2 other planets and that too exalted house lord. I consider Saturn to be stronger. Either way, Rahu having 4 graha dristi is actually working against marriage, I would think. Moon has no influence on Rahu, Saturn + Mars aren't encouraging the 'marriage' direction of Rahu, only Jupiter and Rahu are in fight with each other. But, I think Rahu comes out stronger being in Gemini and exalted dispositor and malefic in upachaya house rather than Jupiter in enemy house in marana karaka stana and dispositor also being weak in its enemy house.

Despite all this, marriage is influenced by several other factors and some think Rahu actually promotes quick wedding due to impulsiveness. However, Rahu-based marriages won't last usually during nodal transits as per Barbara Pijan Lama.

We have to understand grahas with their own characteristics. Just because they are strong and supportive doesn't mean they will do something against their characteristics.

Best regards,
Violet

[basab14]

I generally read a lot. The difference between Jupiter and Mercury was the quality of reading. In Jupiter AD, it is non-fiction books reading about religion, philosophy, world history, and child psychology (unstructured learning - voluntary reading). In Mercury AD, it is all technical reading as part of course-work or part of doing my job (structured learning - required reading), and also most of the reading was on electronic devices instead of physical books/paper.

So, I guess you have to look at what you are reading and why.

Thanks for telling me about your Jupiter and Mercury period and the subjects on which you read in those periods. About me, I read story books and spiritual books. Not sure what shows it in my chart.

[preeti87]

In my jupiter period, i am reading finance and astrology.

[ChandraLagna]

Dear Violet,

Without going to SuryaLagna's chart in detail, two points struck me....

Yogakaraka, by definition intends good to the native, and if one assumes marriage is for good of the native, then it cannot happen that Yogakaraka not influence marriage aspects ; in fact, should that be the case, occurring of marriage would have to be strengthened by some other factors extremely strongly.

In case of Leo Ascendent, Mars as lord of 9H plays a very important role for marriage, and esp so for female nativities, since mars also is a backup significator of spouse.

[VioletTwilight]

Dear Violet,

Without going to SuryaLagna's chart in detail, two points struck me....

Yogakaraka, by definition intends good to the native, and if one assumes marriage is for good of the native, then it cannot happen that Yogakaraka not influence marriage aspects ; in fact, should that be the case, occurring of marriage would have to be strengthened by some other factors extremely strongly.

In case of Leo Ascendent, Mars as lord of 9H plays a very important role for marriage, and esp so for female nativities, since mars also is a backup significator of spouse.

Dear ChandraLagna,

Thanks so much for taking time to respond and provide input.

I am not entirely sure if YK is always "good" for the native or if YK provides "success" for the native. My intention is that while YK will never harm native, it would still do it according to its own agenda, and not necessarily when native desires.

For example, Mars is YK for Cancer lagna too and also 5th lord. But in my experience, strong Mars in 10th will have 8th dristi to 5th (and Ketu being co-lord of 5th) and it isn't easy for children especially for female chart (even though ultimate dharma is to have progeny and YK has to do good for native). Of course, we are discounting Jupiter here. But, I want to focus on YK doing something just because it is good for overall dharma of native. I am not sure if it can override house lord, and karaka even though it is a strong YK.

I agree with your point about YK Mars promoting marriage for female native with Leo lagna. Mars represents "boyfriend" for females and can take the next step to spouse (Edit: In this case, I don't know if we can count it as regular marriage, or as "Gandharva" type marriage). However, I didn't know about 9th lord's involvement with marriage. Would you be able write something about how to see marriage through 9th lord?

Best regards,
Violet

[srcs]

@violetTwilight;Ur quote 1)Mars is a bachelor(2)The idea of 7th house is that marriage is a partnership, whose "profit" is 5th house of children. The idea of navamsa is that marriage is a dharma, the rules one must follow for the prosperity of society.(3)Rahu based marriages are problematic as per Barbara Pijan..

1)Without Mars there is no action.Venus is for love.unless there is action to procreate/produce
Jupiter can't give progeny.That's why it is stressed that Mars should be more beneficially placed
especially for ladies, if ill placed we call manglic/kuja humor/dosha. From this one can understand
Mars is to create not only human society but also for farming/viyoni jenma. As marriage involve
tenderness/love venus planet of harmony is made as karaka.For ladies saturn is additional karaka
bcoz it gets exalted in zodiacal 7th Libra.Mars derives its strength to mar the union bcoz in
zodiacal scheme it is 8th lord,dispute/difference in opinion.Also it is 7th with whom one transcats/partner/spouse from Libra .Any planet can wreck marriage.It is not only left to mars .If u say mars is a
bachelor then it should not at all caused affairs/some kind of relationships with the opposite sex.
can u post a valid text source for Mars declared as a bachelor.
2)Ur quote Lord of 7th in 5th "profit" hse of progeny".Actually it is a bad placement.It is adhama prabhava.
5th is seen for spouse' ability to procreate.Nowadays we see lord of 7th in 3/5/9.These constitute
kalathra dosha of decreasing order with 5th afflicted.L7 too in 10 is supposed to cause the same dosha
esp. for ladies. The idea of navamsa D9 Bhagya, is not only for marriage but for all aspects of life.
In the olden days for marriage wife is considered to bring bhagya/luck & with that in mind it was used
along with natal Rasi chart.Then no scope for such multi varied vocations as we 've now.
3)Always Rahu is stronger in a sign if it is alone/associated.Rahu caused many marriages to happen
bcoz of the proximity concept in creating solar/lunar eclipses.Rahu led marriages were happier
too giving children/wealth/promotion etc.Rahu with moon is declared bad.
To many Guru/venus period marriages were nightmares&ended in divorce.

[VioletTwilight]

Dear srcs,

1) I have also said Mars promotes "affairs" (see the line "even if he promotes casual affairs"). So, yes, Mars is a bachelor who is interested in action. But that doesn't Mars is always interested to get married because by nature Mars is a warrior who like to live their own room. How can they allow the spouse to permanently share bed when they can't allow anyone in their room?

2) I did not say 7th LORD in 5th. I mean 7th HOUSE is considered for marriage. If you look from any house, 11th from it is the "gains". So, 11th from 7th is 5th. Therefore, gains of marriage is progeny. I didn't mention anything about 7th Lord placement, mainly because I don't know.

Also, I didn't say D9 is only for marriage. If you refer to my earlier replies in this thread (couple of months ago), I specifically used the word "Bhagya" for D9. I said D9 is also considered for marriage.

Under divisional charts section, there is also explanation for why D9 is for marriage. As fruit of Dharma, 9th HOUSE is 7th (being 11th from), for 7th house affairs we look at D9. http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... f=6&t=2831
I am sure you must have remembered your posts on this thread as well as other learned members such as Shrikanth and R V Ramanan.
Your elaboration on that thread will be much appreciated by beginners as it fits well with the discussion there.

3) Again, I didn't say Rahu won't cause marriages. I also didn't say Rahu will always break. I noted the opinion of Barbara Pijan Lama on this issue. Perhaps you differ. Please do elaborate more on the Rahu and marriage timing. It will be useful for all learners like me.
I don't even know enough to comment on marriages during Jupiter or Venus period. My apologies.

Best regards,
Violet

[SuryaLagna]

Dear Violet,

Thanks for the response

What, according to you, can be the cause of successive failures of love affairs, esp the ones which fail without any fault of the native. Also, what can lead to the native getting cheated in love affairs?

Regards
SL

[srcs]

@violet Twilight;Again u say "yes mars is a bachelor" is very much against the very basic concepts
on which our seers/rishis had founded astrology.It is like denying saturn its allotted role of labour/Rep.ordinary masses & so democratic thought.I asked u to quote a valid source for mars declared as a bachelor.
The point is without role of mars (action) there can be no marriages & so no mankind/viyonijenma etc as i cited
earlier which i've to repeat. In the design of zodiacal scheme from which astrology springs Mars&venus
are made to have 7th/2nd lordships either when u view it from Aries/taurus/scorpio/libra quartet.
This is very carefully done by our rishis/seers.Hence Mars is meant for marriages & it such plays a vital role in marriages whether making/breaking than any other planet.Mars can be a bachelor without
an institution of marriage.This very action planet Mars a maker of marriages can make a native
celibate if Mars in Mesha if other lords such as esp.YK/7th & perhaps11th/2nd lend support.For mars
detachment here it means detachment from action to produce.All planets in day houses get turned into philosophical/vedhanthi mode or sort of detachment mode.

[VioletTwilight]

Dear Violet,

Thanks for the response

What, according to you, can be the cause of successive failures of love affairs, esp the ones which fail without any fault of the native. Also, what can lead to the native getting cheated in love affairs?

Regards
SL

Dear SuryaLagna,

All cheating is associated with Rahu. Rahu creates such a great illusion and when the native feels everything is going well, pulls the rug under the feet. So, I would think Rahu influence on 7th may be the reason.

Best regards,
Violet

[VioletTwilight]

@violet Twilight;Again u say "yes mars is a bachelor" is very much against the very basic concepts
on which our seers/rishis had founded astrology.It is like denying saturn its allotted role of labour/Rep.ordinary masses & so democratic thought.I asked u to quote a valid source for mars declared as a bachelor.
The point is without role of mars (action) there can be no marriages & so no mankind/viyonijenma etc as i cited
earlier which i've to repeat. In the design of zodiacal scheme from which astrology springs Mars&venus
are made to have 7th/2nd lordships either when u view it from Aries/taurus/scorpio/libra quartet.
This is very carefully done by our rishis/seers.Hence Mars is meant for marriages & it such plays a vital role in marriages whether making/breaking than any other planet.Mars can be a bachelor without
an institution of marriage.This very action planet Mars a maker of marriages can make a native
celibate if Mars in Mesha if other lords such as esp.YK/7th & perhaps11th/2nd lend support.For mars
detachment here it means detachment from action to produce.All planets in day houses get turned into philosophical/vedhanthi mode or sort of detachment mode.

Dear srcs,

As it is evident so far, my learning is based on observation in addition to reading and listening to learned members. So, I can't comment on what rishis/seers say since neither I am spiritually advanced to communicate with them or do I have a personal guru who will directly communicate with them and teach me what they are saying.

I laid out my understanding based on karatwas of Mars, observation of natives with prominent Mars, and whom Mars represents as per Pt. Sanjay Rath teachings (in particular audio lessons on "kalachakra" and astadala padma with dikchakra-kalachakra overlap). In particular, Mars prominent persons are highly attracted to Lord Hanuman and in giving remedies, I have seen natives being advised to pray/please Lord Hanuman in order to have benefic affects from Mars. So, this is basis of my opinion that Mars inherent nature is a bachelor. Mars with Jupiter influence and strong will have high morals and will be celibate, while weak Mars with Rahu and Venus influence may seek out carnal pleasures.

In your opinion, if this is wrong, perhaps add a reference for interested knowledge seekers where to find the rishis/seers opinion that Mars will provide marriage. We haven't seen such reference from you yet in this thread. Adding that would be handy and helpful to other readers concerned about marriage.

Also, I should note that if Mars will not commit to a marriage, that doesn't mean the whole creation can't happen. All animals are reproducing without any marriages. So, perhaps Mars IS necessary for pro-creation but that doesn't mean marriage has to happen. Even Kunti devi had Karna without any marriage, but that doesn't mean it was the "dharmic" thing to do (We learn that her other children through result of marriage were appreciated for their talents while Karna had to endure so many insults as sutaputra). So, I don't understand why you consider Mars being related to affairs has anything to do Mars giving marriage.

Again, perhaps a reference from you will put it in context for us. I don't understand at all why Mars has more vital role than Venus in giving marriages. That is new for me.

Learners who will read all the posts will understand that I am not exactly an expert and discount my writings accordingly. Thanks for your input.

Best regards,
Violet

[srcs]

@Violet Twilight; In the interest,as u said many learners like u /guests visit this forum, they should n't carry
a wrong idea of karaktwa of planets, i had clarified the right/spirit of astrological identity of MARs.
Founders of astrology &many old reliable classical authors 've identified/allotted planets with castes/colours/tastes&flavours,anatomy,metals, languages,genders including eunchs/gems/animals but none assigned
marital status to any planet as u did to mars.That was it.Later authors self proclaiming pandits etc
spin &twist the meanings to suit their sole aim of book selling in the disguise of astrological cause.
As u've penchant for astrology which is evident in ur posts,pl.avoid these&web books & search for old authors translations.The great philosopher shri J.K didn't let any one to interpret his teachings during his time becoz he found that interpretaions of past philosophers work such as buddha/nagarjuna/adhisankara etc were
totally corrupted/spun/twisted/interpersed with their own brain's work /&wrongly conveyed to
the people & the result we see in our daily life.coming back to our Mars,all are aware that sani is
known for laziness/lethargic/slow.But in the zodiac Makara is 10th karma sign where action is needed.
Doesn't it sound absurd as per our intellect.To do karmic duty action planet Mars has been called to exalt here.
Not any other planet.Once his action is over in maidhan,Mars goes back to pavillion sign of cancer,4th sign,sukasthana/Home where he gets debility to take test.There are very many such fine principles.

[VioletTwilight]

@Violet Twilight; In the interest,as u said many learners like u /guests visit this forum, they should n't carry
a wrong idea of karaktwa of planets, i had clarified the right/spirit of astrological identity of MARs.
Founders of astrology &many old reliable classical authors 've identified/allotted planets with castes/colours/tastes&flavours,anatomy,metals, languages,genders including eunchs/gems/animals but none assigned
marital status to any planet as u did to mars.That was it.Later authors self proclaiming pandits etc
spin &twist the meanings to suit their sole aim of book selling in the disguise of astrological cause.
As u've penchant for astrology which is evident in ur posts,pl.avoid these&web books & search for old authors translations.The great philosopher shri J.K didn't let any one to interpret his teachings during his time becoz he found that interpretaions of past philosophers work such as buddha/nagarjuna/adhisankara etc were
totally corrupted/spun/twisted/interpersed with their own brain's work /&wrongly conveyed to
the people & the result we see in our daily life.coming back to our Mars,all are aware that sani is
known for laziness/lethargic/slow.But in the zodiac Makara is 10th karma sign where action is needed.
Doesn't it sound absurd as per our intellect.To do karmic duty action planet Mars has been called to exalt here.
Not any other planet.Once his action is over in maidhan,Mars goes back to pavillion sign of cancer,4th sign,sukasthana/Home where he gets debility to take test.There are very many such fine principles.

Dear srcs,

I am approaching this with learning spirit and request to kindly provide some explanation/example/reference about how Mars is responsible for marriage.

Learners make many mistakes. In a public forum like this, my mistakes are many and I am glad to admit when I go wrong. So, I am fairly happy to believe that nobody will consider my word as final. Especially, within this thread, I note my glaringly obvious errors.

I am not assigning any "status" to grahas as to who they are. I am explaining the inherent behaviour of persons with those grahas as prominent. A bachelor is someone who care about themselves, live by themselves and fight for themselves. If that doesn't represent Mars to you, then please do write a post about what Mars' inherent nature is. (As in, a person with very very strong Mars and no other planets influencing their lagna in any divisional charts)

I don't see any contradiction with who Saturn is. A good Saturn makes you work hard, a bad one, lazy. It is the two sides of the same coin. He owns karma bhava in natural zodiac. So, I would say Saturn's inherent nature is "work". Can a Saturn ever represent a "good time" or "enjoyment"? Saturn can never "relax", he can either be "lazy" because he doesn't want to do the work or "tired" because of too much "work-work-work".

I am not talking about "Saturn - son of Sun and Chaya, who has lame-leg" or Saturn - downcast eyes, dark-blue colour, Sudra varna, old clothes etc. I am talking about a person with "Saturn - being in 10th or 7th, exalted or own house, lagna lord, janma rasi or nakshatra lord, strong in all vargas, other grahas either weak or enemy houses etc".

I hope you note the difference.
Best regards,
Violet

[srcs]

@violet twilight; Self learning & self discovery is the best way for all field's of study to discover the real meanings
esp. applicable to this abstruse field astrology.While doing so u if u study old reliable books well translated by eminent past sanskrit scholars u will on ur own find that Mars plays a role in some way/other in all signs except pisces 12 th moksha/tranquil sign more than any other planet.To satisfy ur curiosity,i add few more things about mars. u 've to view astrology from zodiacal kala purusha perspective & on this basis only astrology was planned &developed.Mesha is the 1st active (positive) male sign & of which Mars had been made as lord &none other.Also the same Mars is the lord governing reproductive organs/testicles.As in the mesha,Rishaba,Thula/scorpio quartet it has 2nd&7th lordships,all books of past &present when dealing with the 7th house prime importance is given
to action planet Mars/karaka love planetvenus than any other.Mars is commander in chief of the kalapurusha.
Bcoz of the said 2/7 lordships,it follows even now the head of the family is shown as male( mars). It is a declared malefic(part rajasic due to courage &passionate) yet Mars&moon are reqd. for menses in ladies &man cannot produce offspring with a female who cannot produce menses called a barren woman.Animal instinct/brute force is given to mars .In the animal king dom from which humans also evoloved,to mate with a female species there has to be a spar/fight between the male species &the winner gets the right to mate with the female to produce/procreate off springs.History of man kind do show that there were arranged fights between males/between a male & a bull/between reared cocks(incidentally cock is allotted to mars) to get nuptial rights with the girl.As mars is representative for valour&courage it has been the prime place for marriage.Get behind the sastras to know its real imports. Pl.don't say nowadays marriages aren't made that way etc.

[Anandham]

I have not observed Earthy Mars or Fiery Mars.

One good thing is that strong Mars never keeps grudges. Hope that helps.

Violet Twilight, thank you for sharing your observations. I do find an extremely strong need for autonomy and control in the earthy Mars person!

[yashwanth1984]

Ojas wrote:
> [quote="VioletTwilight"]I have not observed Earthy Mars or Fiery Mars.
>
> One good thing is that strong Mars never keeps grudges. Hope that helps.[/quote]
>
> Violet Twilight, thank you for sharing your observations. I do find an extremely
> strong need for autonomy and control in the earthy Mars person!

Dear Ojas, VioletTwilight and SuryaLagna,

I am an example of Earth-signed Mars. I have Mars exalted in Capricorn in the 4th house. Simply put, I am territorial, and express controlled aggression when flared up! I will be experiencing Martian energy 11 years down the line during my Mars MD. Hope it will be a good time.

Birth details:
25 November 1984
4:56 a.m.
Mangalore, India
Gender: Male

Other interested members as well may have a look at my horoscope to study more about Mars in the 4th house in an Earth sign.

On the other hand, I can relate to most of the attributes which SuryaLagna has written about Moola Nakshatra except the fact that, unfortunately, Surya MD has not been an ounce favourable to me with regard to employment because Surya (11th Lord in the 2nd house) is afflicted by Ketu and Rahu, and also he is Badhkesh for Tula Lagna. Further, Surya is debilitated in Libra in the 8th house in the D-10 chart. Also, he is in enemy Shani's nakshatra 'Anuradha' in the birth chart. Overall, Surya is so weak despite being in the friend Mars' rasi Scorpio in the Dhana bhava.

I feel sad for Surya's state in my horoscope. However, on the positive side, he has helped me evince interest in Vedic Science, and has given me robust physical health and a roof over my head (living at home) despite penury through unemployment.

Now, I am more sanguine about Moon MD (alongside SadeSati; Shani's 2nd return), Mars MD and Rahu MD to deliver better results when compared to Sun MD.

Kind regards,

yashwanth1984

[Anandham]

Thanks for sharing your experiences with an earthy Mars, Yashwant. If you don't mind, how was your childhood, relationship with parents? Any siblings?