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Sure, Anupamji. We can always talk on this through PM or on on fb if you don't feel it appropriate to write on it here. Would love to know your take on it as I have always been deeply interested in this emotion called 'love'.
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by Yellow » 011212
Sure, Anupamji. We can always talk on this through PM or on on fb if you don't feel it appropriate to write on it here. Would love to know your take on it as I have always been deeply interested in this emotion called 'love'.
One should never lose hope come what may.
But destiny is predestine, as taught by you again and again. regardsA person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
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Anuradha,
I didn't understand your point. Yes, I believe destiny is predestined, but what connection are you trying to bring in it and my having a deep interest in love? See, if you think that I am searching for love, then you are wrong. I have never believed in finding anything, but rather in that thing finding me.
I like thinking about love because I find it fascinating. I have written many love stories, too. Now about my being interested in love, is it any surprise that when my ascendant is Libra, and I am running the period of Venus, which is in its own sign in my chart?
I didn't understand your point. Yes, I believe destiny is predestined, but what connection are you trying to bring in it and my having a deep interest in love? See, if you think that I am searching for love, then you are wrong. I have never believed in finding anything, but rather in that thing finding me.
I like thinking about love because I find it fascinating. I have written many love stories, too. Now about my being interested in love, is it any surprise that when my ascendant is Libra, and I am running the period of Venus, which is in its own sign in my chart?
anuradha wrote:Re: Astrology and spirituality in this forum
by Yellow » 011212
Sure, Anupamji. We can always talk on this through PM or on on fb if you don't feel it appropriate to write on it here. Would love to know your take on it as I have always been deeply interested in this emotion called 'love'.
One should never lose hope come what may.
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Anupam ji,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on love. I really liked reading it. You have mentioned in your post about sex being an expression of love. I remember reading a fascinating book where there is a mention of divine sex, where sex takes you close to God, gives you that feeling of complete freedom that self-realization gives. The book is about a prostitute, but it's a very spiritual book, I feel, and believe me, my eyes became moist many times while reading the book. The name of the book is 'Eleven Minutes' by Paulo Coelho.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on love. I really liked reading it. You have mentioned in your post about sex being an expression of love. I remember reading a fascinating book where there is a mention of divine sex, where sex takes you close to God, gives you that feeling of complete freedom that self-realization gives. The book is about a prostitute, but it's a very spiritual book, I feel, and believe me, my eyes became moist many times while reading the book. The name of the book is 'Eleven Minutes' by Paulo Coelho.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Love is not karmic debt because debt is paid in the name of many things and once it is paid it vanishes. Love is eternal, immortal, perennial.
Dear Anupam:
Very nicely said. Very interesting experiences. I am waiting to listen more of those.
Dev
Dear Anupam:
Very nicely said. Very interesting experiences. I am waiting to listen more of those.
Dev
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Anupam ji,
Yes you are right. Love is eternal but mostly the word may not convey the real feeling behind it.
I watched it in children, small animals, in the eyes of sages and in rare times in adults!
When small children or pet animals play among themselves it gives me real goose bumps. Mostly women are lucky in that. The quality of love is inbuilt in them. Even Indra Gandhi met J krishnamurthy and experienced tears of love, is what I heard of.
Then I realized why it happens, because children, small animals don’t have ego or in other words an idea of self.
Otherwise ordinary love turns into hate in no time. That’s why if love occurs after ego is formed, then it turns quickly to other side. We all know the statement “love happens” if we search further we will know, it happens only when we are not!
Then I pondered the word eternal, what is eternal? Ever existing? Scriptures say example of Sky, that which always exists, centuries pass, even planets pass, millions of clouds may come and go but sky is always there, may be hidden sometimes totally.
Mystics say like outer sky we all have inner sky, and thoughts, emotions, experiences etc are clouds they come and go, but this sky remains, they call it chid akashsa. This is the watcher and it is always prior to any experience let it be even of love, merger and bliss.
Now let us come back to astrology, the 5th house has the gross meanings of love and intelligence, but subtle meanings are bhakthi and pratiba. If we are lucky that simply means if we had done something meritorious in past lives, it will reappear ie, subtle meanings. If not then gross meanings will appear.
But still they are experiences, who is experiencing these? That may be eternal.
Yes you are right. Love is eternal but mostly the word may not convey the real feeling behind it.
I watched it in children, small animals, in the eyes of sages and in rare times in adults!
When small children or pet animals play among themselves it gives me real goose bumps. Mostly women are lucky in that. The quality of love is inbuilt in them. Even Indra Gandhi met J krishnamurthy and experienced tears of love, is what I heard of.
Then I realized why it happens, because children, small animals don’t have ego or in other words an idea of self.
Otherwise ordinary love turns into hate in no time. That’s why if love occurs after ego is formed, then it turns quickly to other side. We all know the statement “love happens” if we search further we will know, it happens only when we are not!
Then I pondered the word eternal, what is eternal? Ever existing? Scriptures say example of Sky, that which always exists, centuries pass, even planets pass, millions of clouds may come and go but sky is always there, may be hidden sometimes totally.
Mystics say like outer sky we all have inner sky, and thoughts, emotions, experiences etc are clouds they come and go, but this sky remains, they call it chid akashsa. This is the watcher and it is always prior to any experience let it be even of love, merger and bliss.
Now let us come back to astrology, the 5th house has the gross meanings of love and intelligence, but subtle meanings are bhakthi and pratiba. If we are lucky that simply means if we had done something meritorious in past lives, it will reappear ie, subtle meanings. If not then gross meanings will appear.
But still they are experiences, who is experiencing these? That may be eternal.
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Dev,
I too have the same opinion of Anupam ji on navamsa part and Yellow also has pointed quoting parasara weightage of 3 points to D9. But more than Navamsa, Shastiamsa chart is given 5 points.
Due to birth time errors, it is not considered. But KNR ji, has taught a method of retaining same birth lagna in D60, and it gives a broader picture. You can apply it to your case also and see. (venus exalted in 5th house,hence its period has to be good!)
But still i dont know in twins case of 2-3 minute birth difference what is to be applied. May be nadi amsa 150th part has more to say i think, but they are not yet revealed fully.
KNR ji said once that BVR ji has used kanya lagna for Rajiv gandhi for 8 years and then after seeing a pattern in chandrakala nadi he changed it to Leo and predicted his final event. So these types of Nadis must be having real clues about twins birth too in my view.
I too have the same opinion of Anupam ji on navamsa part and Yellow also has pointed quoting parasara weightage of 3 points to D9. But more than Navamsa, Shastiamsa chart is given 5 points.
Due to birth time errors, it is not considered. But KNR ji, has taught a method of retaining same birth lagna in D60, and it gives a broader picture. You can apply it to your case also and see. (venus exalted in 5th house,hence its period has to be good!)
But still i dont know in twins case of 2-3 minute birth difference what is to be applied. May be nadi amsa 150th part has more to say i think, but they are not yet revealed fully.
KNR ji said once that BVR ji has used kanya lagna for Rajiv gandhi for 8 years and then after seeing a pattern in chandrakala nadi he changed it to Leo and predicted his final event. So these types of Nadis must be having real clues about twins birth too in my view.
Krishna:
Yes, unfortunately many of us do not have the correct birth time since we have to rely on the nurse, who may not be aware that we are interested in astrology and that D60 needs exact birth time.
Anyway as you say, if we take same lagna, then I dont know how far it works but as you say, expert astrologers have said that and so we have to give it a thought too.
Yes, venus is exalted in 5th house,hence its period has to be good! that is what I hope and expect.
By the way do u see me going abroad officially in the near future? I am running venus bukti too at present.
Yes, with twins it makes it too difficult and it is beyond our imagination since some common rules will not apply. Then the degrees become more important during conjunction of planets.
As you say. the types of Nadis must be having real clues about twins birth.
May be special research on this topic needs to be done by experts taking real examples.
Dev
Yes, unfortunately many of us do not have the correct birth time since we have to rely on the nurse, who may not be aware that we are interested in astrology and that D60 needs exact birth time.
Anyway as you say, if we take same lagna, then I dont know how far it works but as you say, expert astrologers have said that and so we have to give it a thought too.
Yes, venus is exalted in 5th house,hence its period has to be good! that is what I hope and expect.
By the way do u see me going abroad officially in the near future? I am running venus bukti too at present.
Yes, with twins it makes it too difficult and it is beyond our imagination since some common rules will not apply. Then the degrees become more important during conjunction of planets.
As you say. the types of Nadis must be having real clues about twins birth.
May be special research on this topic needs to be done by experts taking real examples.
Dev
Anupam ji,
This theory always fascinates me that the world is a dream—that nothing is real; we are just imagining them. Yesterday I was watching the movie “Matrix”, one of my most favourite movies, on TV at night, and there they were saying the same thing that the objects which we see around us don’t exist. It’s interesting that today I find you have written the same thing on your post. It’s a case of synchronicity, I think. One interesting dream I saw yesterday night, which I would like to share here:
I saw that I was yearning to see God, and then I was seeing the flower pots that are there on the porch in our house, in one straight line. I was checking them, and there was a gap between two flower pots, and I saw the face of Vishnu there. I felt so much joy then, I can’t tell. I was tremendously excited, too, and I kept telling myself, I have got the darshan of God, again and again, and then, I woke up. I wonder what it means. I have been reading the book ‘Krishna’ by Prabhupada, so maybe that is the reason I saw the dream. Not sure, though.
This theory always fascinates me that the world is a dream—that nothing is real; we are just imagining them. Yesterday I was watching the movie “Matrix”, one of my most favourite movies, on TV at night, and there they were saying the same thing that the objects which we see around us don’t exist. It’s interesting that today I find you have written the same thing on your post. It’s a case of synchronicity, I think. One interesting dream I saw yesterday night, which I would like to share here:
I saw that I was yearning to see God, and then I was seeing the flower pots that are there on the porch in our house, in one straight line. I was checking them, and there was a gap between two flower pots, and I saw the face of Vishnu there. I felt so much joy then, I can’t tell. I was tremendously excited, too, and I kept telling myself, I have got the darshan of God, again and again, and then, I woke up. I wonder what it means. I have been reading the book ‘Krishna’ by Prabhupada, so maybe that is the reason I saw the dream. Not sure, though.
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Anupam ji,
Last nite I had a premonition. Suddenly car i was driving, clashed with other car. I understood
I need not explain it to you, as you can understand it easily, but to come out of Raw agency type, that means clash of opinions
do you think nothing can happen beyond the written knowledge and individual experiences no matter who wrote that or even shared them namely great mystics, well known saints, prophets, philosophers as well.
No, much different experiences can happen, but all experiences are subjective hence limited anupam ji.
If we question it, to whom it happens, answer may me, my consciousness and then probe further who says me or my consciousness then we become dizzy or perhaps angry too.
questioning further until we come to silence, then who experiences silence, silence again is the answer but no one says it. remembering that space when any experience happens dissolves the experience is what i am sharing.
'Doubt' arises and we start remembering all those pious words unless and until we witness something.
Yes, doubt arises because the pious words spoken come from the empty space which makes resonate with our own self. Once we make it a memory to compare their words vs other words then it is a mind game.
Cant life make you shocked and can go beyond everything !!!
Now let us probe this. where to go? if we say there is something beyond and here i am, then a distance is created. this distance is time. when shock happens , but what is a shock? suddenly our mind stops or brain becomes numb? then what happens? distance become zero?
For me today there is not a bit doubt that this is a dream world
This is a fine word anupam ji. then inspite of many words, this certainity takes to source.
I hope you would not only write "You are right" with a smiley to me .
As you pointed in this way, i liked to share more this time
Last nite I had a premonition. Suddenly car i was driving, clashed with other car. I understood
I need not explain it to you, as you can understand it easily, but to come out of Raw agency type, that means clash of opinions
do you think nothing can happen beyond the written knowledge and individual experiences no matter who wrote that or even shared them namely great mystics, well known saints, prophets, philosophers as well.
No, much different experiences can happen, but all experiences are subjective hence limited anupam ji.
If we question it, to whom it happens, answer may me, my consciousness and then probe further who says me or my consciousness then we become dizzy or perhaps angry too.
questioning further until we come to silence, then who experiences silence, silence again is the answer but no one says it.
remembering that space when any experience happens dissolves the experience is what i am sharing.'Doubt' arises and we start remembering all those pious words unless and until we witness something.
Yes, doubt arises because the pious words spoken come from the empty space which makes resonate with our own self. Once we make it a memory to compare their words vs other words then it is a mind game.
Cant life make you shocked and can go beyond everything !!!
Now let us probe this. where to go? if we say there is something beyond and here i am, then a distance is created. this distance is time. when shock happens , but what is a shock? suddenly our mind stops or brain becomes numb? then what happens? distance become zero?
For me today there is not a bit doubt that this is a dream world
This is a fine word anupam ji. then inspite of many words, this certainity takes to source.
I hope you would not only write "You are right" with a smiley to me .
As you pointed in this way, i liked to share more this time
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Anupam Ji,
i thought the last post disappeared, no it is there.
i thought the last post disappeared, no it is there.
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Dev,
yes it is possible in venus bhukti. only proper pratyantar may have to trigger this. may be saturn pratyantara, after may 2013, will be more helpful i think. btw, no travel happened in rahu sub sub period?
yes it is possible in venus bhukti. only proper pratyantar may have to trigger this. may be saturn pratyantara, after may 2013, will be more helpful i think. btw, no travel happened in rahu sub sub period?
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This is only your thoughts.. In reality, there is no God or any such thing..I saw that I was yearning to see God, and then I was seeing some flower pots that are there on our porch in one line. I was checking them, and there was a gap between two flower pots, and I saw the face of Vishnu there. I felt so much joy then, I can’t tell. I was tremendously excited, too, and I kept telling myself, I have got the darshan of God, again and again, and then, I woke up. I wonder what it means. I have been reading the book ‘Krishna’ by Prabhupada, so maybe that is the reason I saw the dream. Not sure, though.
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The same words of yours was said by Hrinyakasib to Krishna's disciple Prahladrajatmalhotra2008 wrote:This is only your thoughts.. In reality, there is no God or any such thing..I saw that I was yearning to see God, and then I was seeing some flower pots that are there on our porch in one line. I was checking them, and there was a gap between two flower pots, and I saw the face of Vishnu there. I felt so much joy then, I can’t tell. I was tremendously excited, too, and I kept telling myself, I have got the darshan of God, again and again, and then, I woke up. I wonder what it means. I have been reading the book ‘Krishna’ by Prabhupada, so maybe that is the reason I saw the dream. Not sure, though.
I am sure you are aware of this epic.... avatar of Lord Vishnu
Rajat,
It was a dream, and in a dream a person can see anything. Personally, I don't believe in God with form, so maybe it was the effect of the book I was reading at that time.
It was a dream, and in a dream a person can see anything. Personally, I don't believe in God with form, so maybe it was the effect of the book I was reading at that time.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Yellowji, Please explain without the trust in all mighty how can you can you say '' Destiny is predestine'' Just two mutually exclusive things. regardsRe: Astrology and spirituality in this forum
by Yellow » 081212
Rajat,
It was a dream, and in a dream a person can see anything. Personally, I don't believe in God with form, so maybe it was the effect of the book I was reading at that time.
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No.. I am not aware of this.. The only thing i know is if God existed, then there wont have been crimes, corruption, poverty.. Everyone would have been happyThe same words of yours was said by Hrinyakasib to Krishna's disciple Prahlad
I am sure you are aware of this epic.... avatar of Lord Vishnu
There is definately some power, which is controlling everyone.. Nor if this power is working for the benefit of everyone ..? this I am not sure..Basabji, Please explain without the trust in all mighty how can you can you say '' Destiny is predestine'' Just two mutually exclusive things
Anuradha ji,
I never said anywhere that I don’t believe in God—I just said that I don’t believe in God with form. I believe in Brahman (the formless aspect of God) that is mentioned in advaita philosophy. Everything, I feel, happens as per God’s will, so there is no contradiction in my belief. I wouldn’t definitely have believed in destiny, if I had not believed in God, as you rightly said.
I never said anywhere that I don’t believe in God—I just said that I don’t believe in God with form. I believe in Brahman (the formless aspect of God) that is mentioned in advaita philosophy. Everything, I feel, happens as per God’s will, so there is no contradiction in my belief. I wouldn’t definitely have believed in destiny, if I had not believed in God, as you rightly said.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Anupamji,
I felt good in the morning when I woke up after seeing the dream. In the dream, I felt very happy that I had got the darshan of God, so it seems in my subconscious mind I believe in both God with form and without form.
You are right about what you said. I really liked the way you have explained the point of the unreality of the world in a very lucid way. Truth has various stages, I agree: higher truth and lower truth.
I felt good in the morning when I woke up after seeing the dream. In the dream, I felt very happy that I had got the darshan of God, so it seems in my subconscious mind I believe in both God with form and without form.
You are right about what you said. I really liked the way you have explained the point of the unreality of the world in a very lucid way. Truth has various stages, I agree: higher truth and lower truth.
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Anupam ji,
Yes, it is possible. But what i said was not on silence which is a byproduct of seeing.
What i shared was digging into 'I' thought.
Yes, it is possible. But what i said was not on silence which is a byproduct of seeing.
What i shared was digging into 'I' thought.
Yesterday at night I was seeing an English movie, and there was this Italian actress in the movie, and today, when I opened the newspaper, I saw there was an interview of her in it! I was quite surprised because I get to see news of her in the paper once in a year, and to find her interview on paper, with quite a big picture of her, when I had seen her movie the night before, was quite amazing to me. I couldn’t rule it off as a coincidence as it’s not the first time that I have experienced something like this. A few months back I remember talking of a politician, who had not been in news for quite a few months, and when I told my friend about it, the very next day I saw news on her, with a picture of her in the newspaper. Then there have been times when I have been confused about something, I have ended up reading about it in the book I had been reading at that time, or on TV, or somewhere else. It also happens this way that I am thinking of a song, and I play the radio, and the song is playing in some FM station then. And then, sometimes I want to hear a few songs, which I am lazy to find out on youtube and play, I end up getting to hear them on the radio, though I had not expected them to be played there as they are not the recent popular numbers and don’t get played on radio that often. I wonder what all this means. Does it mean that everything is connected to each other, some way? If that’s not the message nature is trying to convey, what the message exactly is? Would be glad if someone can help me understand what all this, which I have mentioned in this post of mine, means.
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Thats a great thing.. U have some divine power..
It can't be coincidence.. U must study more about this on internet
Pls. in your dreams tonight see that me and my wife have got together again and living a happy life
It can't be coincidence.. U must study more about this on internet
Pls. in your dreams tonight see that me and my wife have got together again and living a happy life
Rajat,
It is not any divine power. I have read about it on the net. It is called synchronicity, and many people experience it, but what I want to know is what exactly is nature trying to make us understand by it.
If I see any dream like that, I will tell you.
It is not any divine power. I have read about it on the net. It is called synchronicity, and many people experience it, but what I want to know is what exactly is nature trying to make us understand by it.
If I see any dream like that, I will tell you.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Hello Yellow,
You are right. Its all about synchronization of our mind's waves with the waves present in this universe. Just like telepathy where our wavelengths match and ideas are delivered directly
BTW its just my believe
Regards
Nupur
You are right. Its all about synchronization of our mind's waves with the waves present in this universe. Just like telepathy where our wavelengths match and ideas are delivered directly
BTW its just my believe
Regards
Nupur
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