Debilitated moon

[exalted mars!.]

ha ha ha i like jyestha females like u...too hot to handle...good day..
EM!

[BrahmKumar]

Dear VioletTwilight,

I am very hopeful for your analysis. Please let me know what I have requested in my previous post. We come here with lots of expectations from the learned ones.
Also, please let me know if you are not going to analyze to that I dont have to check everyday.


Thanks
BK

[delilah]

ha ha ha i like jyestha females like u...too hot to handle...good day..
EM!

I thought my birth information was in my profile, but it's not. Aug 4th 1979 10:45am NYC

[exalted mars!.]

thank u so much delilah....
I sure make a look on them...
EM!

[lakshmi01]

Hello All,
I have debilitated moon in 6th house. My star is jyestha,and at the moment Moon MD is running and moon is in mrityubhaga. My moon md started on 2010 October. Sade sath period also going on from 2011. I am very frank and out spoken, I respect my mother a lot and have no problem with my mother.

My details are

4/11/1967

Vijayawada

21:30 hrs.

Regards
Lakshmi

[YOGESH27]

i have debilitated moon(jyestha) in 1st house with mars. scorpio lagna

[Dev]

That is neecha bhanga raja yoga. So good for you.

[Aaron]

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[VioletTwilight]

Dear VioletTwilight,

I am very hopeful for your analysis. Please let me know what I have requested in my previous post. We come here with lots of expectations from the learned ones.
Also, please let me know if you are not going to analyze to that I dont have to check everyday.


Thanks
BK

Dear BrahmKumar,

I am sorry that there is no clear way to know who are the learned ones on forums like these. I am in no way an expert in Jyotish. I have uneven learning due to my own interests and natal chart, and don't know much about timing. You will notice that I often ask for confirmation of timing events since I am not good at that.

Sorry about delay in reply too. I am often inactive with posting on forum due to my obligations in regular life. You would have heard an answer from many sources (this forum has many great Jyotishis) if your time was favourable. Sometimes, it is not in our hands when we will receive a reply or give a reply.

Coming to your chart:
Your moon is debilitated in Navamsa as you noted and not in Rasi. Debilitation in divisional charts is secondary and they do not contribute to the overall personality of the native. In D9, it is indicative of luck (or "Bhagya" - I write this since Bhagya goes beyond just luck) and grahas debilitated in D9 can reduce or nullify effects of good yogas in Rasi chart. Other than that, their influence is felt less in outside world and felt more on Dharma and Married life.

But research is indicated due to Rahu in 5th house of D9. Grahas in trine of D9 are contributors to inherent talents of a person. In D9 lagna, they start from birth and in 5th, they are acquired by practice. So, your research skills will be acquired and improved by hard work due to Rahu and not necessarily solely by debilitated Moon in D9. However, this indicator may have materialized primarily due to lagna lord's connection with 6th house. Both lords of Vrischika are connected to 6th house by lordship and placement showing strong researcher potential.

Since your Rahu is in 12th and you are running Rahu dasa, it might have taken you to foreign lands or enclosed spaces (Universities, Hospitals, Prisons), work on secret or hidden issues - indicating research, and may create secret enemies. Rahu has a quality of never being satisfied and pushing a person to acquire more and more. It can create a very strong drive for material achievement and make a person to push their physical, mental, and moral boundaries. However, one should be very careful with what actually Rahu pushes to do.

It can end up being all a facade and nothing lasting if the native takes short-cuts (i.e., legal or social rule-breaking). There is very strong pressure to take short-cuts when Rahu is influencing the lagna with graha dristi as with your chart (Rahu's 2nd house dristi to lagna from 12th house). There might be colleagues, servants, and enemies who are apathetic to short-cuts given the 6th house Jupiter+Ketu receiving Rahu dristi.

Rahu's 5th dristi is on 4th house Venus and parivartana (considering Rahu as co-lord of Aquarius) with Venus. So, this theme of pushing boundaries, and desire for achievement higher than one's abilities may materialize in relationships and marriage too.

In summary: Rahu dasa can show great material achievements even if there is intense pressure. But, it will not last in Jupiter dasa if it is not done right. Even a minor broken rule will caught up in Jupiter dasa.

From my point of view, Sade Sati is more of an emotional difficulty due to Saturn's transit over natal Moon. It looks to me that last portion of Sade Sati can be extremely difficult due to Saturn transiting over natal Sun, and 2nd from natal Moon during the start of Jupiter dasa. Jupiter dasa can inherently be challenging for people with well-placed Rahu, add to that Saturn over Sun will cause ego to suffer, and 2nd from Moon + lagna lord Mars can cause reduction/limitation to whatever is providing sustenance (it could be father or government or any Sun-karakatwa) to individual's emotional and physical well-being.

It sounds that you are somewhat aware of the possible issues. I may not have added anything of value to what you may already know or foresee.

Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Violet

[BrahmKumar]

Dear VioletTwilight ji,

I am extremely sorry if I sounded impolite. I am really sorry.
I am thankful to you to read and write so nicely in details and I admire the knowledge that you have since many things are so true.

Few things I am clarifying and that might help me little more.
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But research is indicated due to Rahu in 5th house of D9. Grahas in trine of D9 are contributors to inherent talents of a person. In D9 lagna, they start from birth and in 5th, they are acquired by practice. So, your research skills will be acquired and improved by hard work due to Rahu and not necessarily solely by debilitated Moon in D9. However, this indicator may have materialized primarily due to lagna lord's connection with 6th house. Both lords of Vrischika are connected to 6th house by lordship and placement showing strong researcher potential.
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I think I have Rahu and Moon together in 3rd house in D9 chart, in scorpio Navmansha. 5th house of D9 is occupied with Saturn. I have used Jhora but I may be wrong.

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Since your Rahu is in 12th and you are running Rahu dasa, it might have taken you to foreign lands or enclosed spaces (Universities, Hospitals, Prisons), work on secret or hidden issues - indicating research, and may create secret enemies. Rahu has a quality of never being satisfied and pushing a person to acquire more and more. It can create a very strong drive for material achievement and make a person to push their physical, mental, and moral boundaries. However, one should be very careful with what actually Rahu pushes to do.
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100% true. Since it started I have only been in Universities abroad which are hospitals and doing research. Have been cheated badly, but since I accepted that these are the results of my own karm either accumulated from last or this time, I am at peace. Yes, it does push me, but never thought of material achievements rather strong desire to go to Himalayas and practice dhyanyog (which is not possible right now for me).
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It can end up being all a facade and nothing lasting if the native takes short-cuts (i.e., legal or social rule-breaking). There is very strong pressure to take short-cuts when Rahu is influencing the lagna with graha dristi as with your chart (Rahu's 2nd house dristi to lagna from 12th house). There might be colleagues, servants, and enemies who are apathetic to short-cuts given the 6th house Jupiter+Ketu receiving Rahu dristi.
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True, but whatever little I have, I have got working rather twice as much in comparison to my peers, and no short cuts. I have very deep fear from legal, govt, guru, kinds of terms and that has led me to go for long and ethical routes throughout my life. I strongly believe that I am cursed by gurus, since I have not a single patronizing guru or a guru who did not kick me, though I think I never did any wrong to them, someone in the middle comes and messes the relationship.
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[b]In summary: Rahu dasa can show great material achievements even if there is intense pressure. But, it will not last in Jupiter dasa if it is not done right. [/b] Even a minor broken rule will caught up in Jupiter dasa.

From my point of view, Sade Sati is more of an emotional difficulty due to Saturn's transit over natal Moon. It looks to me that last portion of Sade Sati can be extremely difficult due to Saturn transiting over natal Sun, and 2nd from natal Moon during the start of Jupiter dasa. Jupiter dasa can inherently be challenging for people with well-placed Rahu, add to that Saturn over Sun will cause ego to suffer, and 2nd from Moon + lagna lord Mars can cause reduction/limitation to whatever is providing sustenance (it could be father or government or any Sun-karakatwa) to individual's emotional and physical well-being.

It sounds that you are somewhat aware of the possible issues. I may not have added anything of value to what you may already know or foresee.
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This last statement that you have written has caught my attention much more than any other. Sir, I am not worried about me at all, since I have been in situations during last 10 or so years with heavy lessons, but now I have a baby and planning to move with wife to different part of world, will I be able to feed them during that time? What made you say that I may foresee or know already. It appears you can see/read things. Please let me know how can write you personally. Many wishes and blessings.

Best regards,
BK

[rita]

Hello All,
I have debilitated moon in 6th house. My star is jyestha,and at the moment Moon MD is running and moon is in mrityubhaga. My moon md started on 2010 October. Sade sath period also going on from 2011. I am very frank and out spoken, I respect my mother a lot and have no problem with my mother.

Lakshmi,

How has your Sadesati been so far?

[rita]

I have a relative (female) with debilitated moon (Scorpio) in Jyestha. She is very stubborn and fixed in her attitude and speech. She always believes that she's right and will not change her mind if someone tries to convince her otherwise. Sometimes comes across as rude when speaking. She's also extremely secretive, hides her true emotions. She's also very self-centered, only takes an interest in something/someone if she has something to gain. She does not like taking advice from elders and always tends to do what she wants, without caring about their feelings.

A lot of this sounds like me! (I am also a jyestha female) Except for the part of being self-centered and taking an interest in someone only for gain. I am very loyal to others despite them not being able to give me anything in return and this attitude has gotten me into much trouble in life. But like your friend I don't see anything wrong with the other traits. In fact I see them as good things - depending of course on what is it she believes she is right on etc.- If she believes she is right about something and has decided a course of life for herself then why should she change her mind and let others convince her otherwise? I don't see why she should. It's her choice.

Delilah,

Yes, those traits are good in certain situations, e.g, for a career where it is considered professional to keep secrets, be firm, show resolve, leadership, etc. However I believe that for family bonds and emotional attachments those traits can alienate and hurt others. It also depends on what the cultural expectations are. The woman I'm talking about has married into my family, and we always thought that we would involve her in our life and that she would involve us in hers, as that is what bonds family members. However, she just seems to want to be left alone to do what she wants, and shows resistance towards spending time with us and hardly communicates. She's not inclusive at all, keeps secrets about even the most minor things, and wants to spend her leisure time with her own maternal family and her friends, but not with us. We've found her behaviour over the years very hurtful, as we have tried our best to include her in our lives, but she just shows indifference towards us. I have gradually come to accept that her behaviour is mostly due to her debilitated moon in Jyeshta nakshatra which is in the Lagna along with her Sun.

[lakshmi01]

Lakshmi,

How has your Sadesati been so far?[/quote]
Hello Rita,
I took loan to buy house and working hard to pay the EMI 's so far. But I have no mental peace at this moment.

regards
Lakshmi.

[VioletTwilight]

Dear VioletTwilight ji,

I am extremely sorry if I sounded impolite. I am really sorry.
I am thankful to you to read and write so nicely in details and I admire the knowledge that you have since many things are so true.
................
.............This last statement that you have written has caught my attention much more than any other. Sir, I am not worried about me at all, since I have been in situations during last 10 or so years with heavy lessons, but now I have a baby and planning to move with wife to different part of world, will I be able to feed them during that time? What made you say that I may foresee or know already. It appears you can see/read things. Please let me know how can write you personally. Many wishes and blessings.

Best regards,
BK

Dear BK,

No worries. I understand the frustration with waiting and just wanted to let you know that sometimes there isn't much we can do but wait for favourable time.

I have about 5 minutes before I have to go and so, I will try to keep it short.
I have birth time of 2:55 AM @ Kanpur on Jan 19 1977. I am using JHora too. Please confirm if I got the birth time details correctly.

One quick check with Saturn in 5th house of your D9, makes Mars in 1st and Ketu in 9th. Does your birth involved any surgery/stitches for your mother?

Your Jupiter is a strong curse as per SJC school of thought. It is conjunct Ketu and dristi of two malefics Rahu and retrograde Saturn. Usually curse is simply a weakness and not a big deal unless Atmakaraka (AK) or 8th house is involved. Your Jupiter is AK in dusthana and so, problems can be expected with Jupiter related issues.

One way to verify this is to check about your children (Jupiter being both 5th lord and karaka). Was there difficulty with having children or are there difficulties with taking care of your child?

Best regards,
Violet

[missmira]

My husband has debilitated moon in both Lagna and Navamsa. This actually makes the moon vargottam. His moon is in Scorpio in Lagna. Jupiter also sits with Moon forming a Gajkesari yog in spouse house - 7th house.
His nakshatra is Anuradha-4.

What sort of effect with the debilitated moon have n his chart?

[exalted mars!.]

miss mira can u post his details?..
EM!

[rita]

Hello Rita,
I took loan to buy house and working hard to pay the EMI 's so far. But I have no mental peace at this moment.

regards
Lakshmi.

Yes, lack of mental peace is definitely due to Sadesati. I'm Tula rashi and also under Sadesati. I solve one problem and five more problems crop up...........no mental peace.

[missmira]

Hi EM

His details are:
Its 10th January 1983, 14:05, Kanpur, UP, India.
Please do share your opinion on his debilitated moon.

Regards
Mira

miss mira can u post his details?..
EM!

[BrahmKumar]

Dear VioletTwilight ji,

I really appreciate your analysis. I have just written below what you have suspected and this might give you some more hints, but about the Guru/Jupiter, I really have problem, but now I have accepted it and totally surrender myself towards Guru.

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I am using JHora too. Please confirm if I got the birth time details correctly.
This is correct time.
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One quick check with Saturn in 5th house of your D9, makes Mars in 1st and Ketu in 9th. Does your birth involved any surgery/stitches for your mother?
No, it was simple and uncomplicated.
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Your Jupiter is a strong curse as per SJC school of thought. It is conjunct Ketu and dristi of two malefics Rahu and retrograde Saturn. Usually curse is simply a weakness and not a big deal unless Atmakaraka (AK) or 8th house is involved. Your Jupiter is AK in dusthana and so, problems can be expected with Jupiter related issues.

One way to verify this is to check about your children (Jupiter being both 5th lord and karaka). Was there difficulty with having children or are there difficulties with taking care of your child?

I have no idea of SJC, but Jupiter is my AK. But what you have asked if there was any difficulty having children or child: none, it was also simple and uncomplicated, even though I had no one around that time except we two. And so far there has been no problem in taking care of child.
Thank you,
Best
BK

[VioletTwilight]

Dear BrahmKumar,

I will proceed with your D9 as Karka lagna since your birth was uncomplicated and the birth time checks out.

Jupiter isn't acting as bad as it can be since your children are protected (although Saptamsa also plays a role with respect to children). In any case, any benefic under the influence of two or more malefics will have to work hard at giving out benefic effects that too placed in dustana. I really don't know many remedies but perhaps you can seek out remedies towards strengthening that Jupiter from others.
I would tentatively suggest you teach others something you know well. You can be a very good teacher.

Based on your information, if I were to guess based on your chart the main problem with your Gurus is two fold. One is 9th house with Saturn, Gulika and Mandi, which is also badhakastana. Second, Ketu conjunct Jupiter in 6th. Ketu makes one blind to the actual situation and robs common sense. So, other people will see the person as acting abnormally even though the person himself/herself doesn't realize it. But, Ketu also provides deeply intuitive answers that can't be arrived at from common sense or rational analysis/systematic logic.

It is both a strength and weakness with Ketu.

Your main question seems to be: Will you be able to have enough income after your move. I don't see why anything should change dramatically within Rahu dasa. In fact, Rahu/Venus until 2015 should keep it the same as from Sep 2012. Favourable Saturn in transit in 11th from Moon would have brought more income.
If anything, Rahu would amp up his agenda as his dasa draws to close and give more income unless I am mistaken.

Regarding why I said you may know all this:
I mean, you know your profession, experience, location you are moving. I think you can evaluate risks for income objectively. I don't think I added any "hidden" aspect with looking at your chart.

Best regards,
Violet

[missmira]

Hello Exalted Mars!

You didn't respond?

Mira

Hi EM

His details are:
Its 10th January 1983, 14:05, Kanpur, UP, India.
Please do share your opinion on his debilitated moon.

Regards
Mira

miss mira can u post his details?..
EM!

[BrahmKumar]

[quote="VioletTwilight"]

I would tentatively suggest you teach others something you know well. You can be a very good teacher.

Violet[/quote]

Thank you very much Violet ji, I wish that God protects you from all evils of this world. You are such a wonderful person similar to your analysis.
To add strength: I am a teaching faculty in one of the top schools in India. Since I see astrology as a window of our inner self and mind, I seek its help (from learned persons such as you) to make sure I am on the right path and connecting the dots of all aspects of my life with retrospective analysis of events, causes, repercussions and psychological drama along the way.
Your second point seems fully right, I think my intuition has and is helping me most. It just saves me at the very critical moment.

Thank you once more.

Best
BK

[VioletTwilight]

Thank you very much Violet ji, I wish that God protects you from all evils of this world. You are such a wonderful person similar to your analysis.
To add strength: I am a teaching faculty in one of the top schools in India. Since I see astrology as a window of our inner self and mind, I seek its help (from learned persons such as you) to make sure I am on the right path and connecting the dots of all aspects of my life with retrospective analysis of events, causes, repercussions and psychological drama along the way.
Your second point seems fully right, I think my intuition has and is helping me most. It just saves me at the very critical moment.

Thank you once more.

Best
BK

Dear BK,

I am slightly embarrassed when you call me with "ji" and as learned person. I completely missed out on the parivartana between your Mars and Jupiter until I read the analysis by EM in the other thread.

I don't think it changes substantially anything I said so far, but it is something that shouldn't be missed when looking at a chart. It gives more strength to your Jupiter than what I considered at first glance and might be keeping you pretty healthy even with all that action in 6th house, and gives you energy to accomplish anything you set out to do.

I am liable to make such mistakes but it is kind wishes of people like yourself that help me catch up with them again.

Best wishes with everything you do. As they say, Dharma protects the people who protect it.

Best regards,
Violet

[archer]

Narendra Modi got debilitated moon in lagna with mars in rasi chart.

[elipsis]

You are right! I think you should take a look at my 'Detecting Narcissism' thread'