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Dear elipsis,

Please do write more about Moola nakshatra. While Moola moon can give arrogance, does it give more arrogance in general than Poorva Phalguni, for example? Or more stubbornness than Satabhisha?

Moola Moon is considered more self-destructive due to Ketu and Nritti influence than being harmful for others. Is that why Jyesta Moon is better than Moola Moon?
The trinal signs are capable to serving each other- so planets that are friendly to the house lord - do well here.
How does the friendship between Moon and Jupiter, and Jupiter having Moon's sign as exaltation play in to this?


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Dear Agora,

Your Moon is under the influence of a lot of people. Jupiter+Mercury+Venus+Sun are forming a lot of good yogas and giving 7th dristi to Moon. There is partial neechabanga due to Moon being in kendra to lagna. It implies achievement by own efforts. But there is also support to Moon due to Venus, the lord of Tauras where Moon is exalted, is in kendra to Moon and having dristi on it.

I am not knowledgable in nakshaktra significations and still a learner. The "researcher" observation is from a lot of charts I know about people in academia. I look forward to hearing from other expert astrologers on this forum about those significations.

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VioletTwilight wrote:Dear elipsis,

Please do write more about Moola nakshatra. While Moola moon can give arrogance, does it give more arrogance in general than Poorva Phalguni, for example? Or more stubbornness than Satabhisha?

Moola Moon is considered more self-destructive due to Ketu and Nritti influence than being harmful for others. Is that why Jyesta Moon is better than Moola Moon?
Dear violet

Lets try to understand why Moola nakshatra gives such a harsh character even though Ketu is supposed to give detachment. Its like an unqualified person working at nasa as a design engineer, it can be too much for him. So Moon or Mercury who are quite incapable of digesting the sign of sagittarius fall easy prey to the doshas carried by Moola nakshatra, they start to behave abnormally.

Imagine you are not at home but some kids break in and tinker with your belongings...that kind of behavior is what they had written in the classics about each nakshatra.

In the southern derivation of Vedic astrology, there are 3 categories of stars

1. Ashwini to Poorvaphalguni - Bala nakshatras
2. Uttaraphalguni to Poorvashada - Yuva nakshatras
3. Uttarashada to Revati - Vriddha nakshatras

Every star brings some doshas but many of these doshas gets washed away overtime depending on the chart. Moon gets better overtime, so at birth our mind is still underdeveloped but as we grow you can see its true potential. Similarly, the doshas bought by moon gets diminished as we get mentally mature.

People born in first category - fall prey to Bala graha doshas, these are some of the nastiest kids in the world. So such natives require proper parental supervision until they reach their adulthood. They acquire sarpa doshas or curses easily, they also fight, steal, scream...do all sorts of crazy things. But many of these doshas gets washed away if the chart is strong - simple remedies or shukla paksha birth will be enough for them. But again there is an exception, remedies or paksha bala doesn't apply to Ashlesha births because the constellation itself is in a bad region.

So, Poorva Phalguni may have doshas but they get diminished overtime.

For Yuva nakshatra category- they carry doshas until they reach 25-30 years. Many of these doshas are related to "adjusting to others" - they are more like activists who display unique and strange behaviors, but as soon as these natives get a job or get married they'll shift their priorities to other things in life. So jyesta being what it is, will slowly recover from the intoxication of "Soma" which happens to be the favorite drink of Lord Indra. But unfortunately Moola natives can't fully recover from their default doshas, they remain the same forever.

Vriddha nakshatras require constant propitiation for them to remain normal, the frequency of these remedies depends on the strength of Saturn and Jupiter...but it is usually 6 months to 1 year.

How does the friendship between Moon and Jupiter, and Jupiter having Moon's sign as exaltation play in to this?
If Jupiter is the trinal lord it can do well but Moon still carries doshas when it transits Moola.

So its important to understand there are certain regions in the zodiac which can be troublesome. Moola is the 'Sagittarius A star' which is near the black hole at the center of the milky way- so you can get an idea of how strong it is. Our sages without any telescopes or radio astronomy already knew Moola nakshatra is at the milky way center and out of which all other stars had evolved.

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Dear elipsis,

Thanks very much for taking time to explain it in detail. I understand now that although each nakshatra may have some dosha, it is the lifelong 'fixed' nature of dosha that is bothersome with stars like ashlesha, and moola.

Yes, it is fascinating to know that 'Moola'- the root is actually located nearest to the root of the galaxy.

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Dear Agora,

I am sorry that I am not that level of expert in astrology. I feel that strong ichcha sakthi can make things happen and also as elipsis often says, there is our daily karma that adds to whatever our birth chart promises.

If I were to attempt, I find it that your chart is stronger at home than abroad. All kendras to lagna being occupied gives a lot of support to lagna. Your 12 and lagna lord Saturn is in 11th which is good for lagna, but may not be so good for 12th (being in 12th from that house). Also 12th house has Mars + Jupiter dristi. Saturn being in sambanda with Mars (by mutual dristi) and with Jupiter (in Jupiter's house while Jupiter aspects Saturn's house) may be causing you the desire to be abroad.

I wonder if your idea for abroad started from 2009-Sept and became stronger from 2013-Jan. (Please confirm this). I would caution that your strong 4th lord Venus is also your badhakesa. So, it may influence you through its conjunctions to step along the paths that may not bring you the most happiness.
But then, sometimes the toughest things one does may also be the most worthwhile things. :)

Sorry I can't do better to provide any insights.

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Dear VioletTwilight,
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Dear Agora,

Sometimes it is not just your dasa but my dasa has to work out to give a clear picture for you. These days, my Jyotish vision isn't very clear and so, I am more in theoretical learning mode than practical learning by chart-seeing mode. Sorry if what I say isn't the complete and clear picture of what you want to know. :)

My rationale is this: Mars is your 10th lord controlling career, Jupiter is your 11th lord and 2nd lord controlling wealth, family and income and so their 'relationship' with 12th lord may be pulling you in the 'abroad' direction for career and income.

Your Badhakesa Venus is also 9th lord and in strength in own house, in digbala. So, while it can cause trouble it is also a natural and functional benefic, yogakaraka for Aquarius lagna. So, it will work out for the best in the end. It can also give higher education being 4th and 9th lord.

I can't explain it properly. But, there is a concept that to understand how life looks abroad, one can look from 12th house as lagna and see how it looks [Edit: Ref. Pt.Sanjay Rath's Atri Class 5-Part1] . Your chart from 12th house moves Rahu to 2nd house, Saturn to 12th house and Mars to 6th house. I do not like this. You may lose touch with family, have sleepless nights, get involved in unnecessary fights/violence. Not that all of that is bad. There can be positive side that you will have a lot of energy to burn at work, get sudden high social status, and have sleepless nights due to partying instead of nightmares.

I don't know if such things happened during your internship. I am guessing that Venus/Venus dasa (Vimsottari) was good for you and didn't make those things happen. Same can't be said for Venus/Moon and Venus/Mars happening in the next couple of years. I also think you may even lose the desire to go abroad from next January and may want to marry instead. It is Venus/Sun dasa with Venus+Sun conjunct Jupiter giving this idea for you to go abroad.

One question: Did your father pass away in the first half of 2012 or the second half? If it is the first half, then my advice would be not to go abroad. Your Saturn is being detrimental for your 9th house.

Bottom line: From your chart and Navamasa, my impression is that you have a loving family at home (2nd lord Jupiter is exalted in Navamsa, 4th lord Venus is strong in D1 and in D9 lagna). That relationship will change dramatically if you spend a few years abroad. I feel that your career will be fine either way. Like I said in a previous post, there are a lot of people influencing your Moon, we have to see who will win out among Venus, Jupiter, Sun, Mercury to take you abroad or not. OTOH, there is a strong Rahu on your lagna which is Atmakaraka, that might override everybody else, and every consideration (Jyotish or otherwise).

May you find the right path in your own way.

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nice post violet twilight... :lol:
The way u introduced the 12th house taken to lagna and seeing conditions in foreign lands is completly new to me!.,from where u read about it?.,but according to one article once i gone through says..if 12 house is placed in lagna it show our past life conditions!!..,similarly if 2nd house is placed in lagna than it shows our next life conditions!!.,what are your views on this.?
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Dear VioletTwilight,
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Dear Agora,

You will have a good life during Venus dasa up to 2029. Venus will keep you happy and life smooth. So, everything else is only a topping on the cake.

From the way you say, I think your Rahu is being really strong (the 'itch' to not to sit still. :) ). I understand now your last two years dramatic changes in relationships. It is the Rahu transiting over your natal debilitated Moon.

I think your father's passing away is more due to Mercury being 8th lord. I am sorry I didn't see that.
I am not very good at giving advice with respect to marriage. I believe in what Barbara Pijan Lama says, "We attract partners who are mirrors to us".

Your 6th lord Moon in debility is the source of weak health I think. See, everything I see goes back to that strong Venus and I am not seeing anything beyond that. Keep that Venus happy and you will be set.

Best of luck with your plans.
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exalted mars!. wrote:nice post violet twilight... :lol:
The way u introduced the 12th house taken to lagna and seeing conditions in foreign lands is completly new to me!.,from where u read about it?.,but according to one article once i gone through says..if 12 house is placed in lagna it show our past life conditions!!..,similarly if 2nd house is placed in lagna than it shows our next life conditions!!.,what are your views on this.?
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Dear Exalted mars!,

Looking at each house and seeing the relationships with other planets is from Barbara Pijan Lama. Pt. Sanjay Rath advocates looking from Paka lagna to see likes and dislikes. It is not really a new concept to look from the house in question, to see how other things are influencing that house. An extension of concept of looking from lagna, chandra lagna, surya lagna, and arudha lagna etc.

Best regards,
Violet

P.S: Yes, I have also seen using 12th house as past life and 2nd house as future life. But, each house can show different things and it is important to see from all angles to separate what influences the issue at hand.

Edit: I found that exact reference is from Pt. Sanjay Rath's Atri class 5 - Part 1 for 12th house. Barbara Pijan Lama refers to each house the same way.
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thank u so much for replying...:)
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Dear VioletTwilight,

Keep that Venus happy and you will be set.

How to keep Venus happy exactly??
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Dear Agora,

Venus represents sisters, and after marriage, wife in a man's chart. Venus is also your 4th lord, representing mother, heart, and 9th lord representing teachers and 'father-like' figures. There are many more karakatwas, but keep those Venus-related people in your life happy and try to keep your heart pure, i.e, keep it positive and wish well for everyone.

But then, you are already doing it by thinking about providing for your family, especially your mother and the wedding of your sister.

So, don't worry too much. :)

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Dear VioletTwilight,

Thankyou so much.
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[quote="elipsis"]
Ket ji,

That's right. Let me enlighten you more with what my teacher told me once...

The nakshatras in each sign are capable of serving their house lords only, [/quote]

Fascinating. it would be very nice if you could elaborate on this, such as which planets does best in particular nakshatras.

to stay on topic, i have a Taurus Moon 3rd pada, Rohini nakshatra and do tend to be very emotional.
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hi,
one of the member claimed moon debilitated im navamsa in cancer sign in 3 degrees. sign changes in divisional charts, any senior menmber can weigh on this.

Debilitation point Rasi Navamsa Dasamsa
Jupiter 5 deg. Capricorn Aquarius Libra
Moon 3 deg. Scorpio Cancer Cancer
Saturn 20 deg. Aries Libra Scorpio
Venus 27 deg. Virgo Virgo Aquarius
Mercury 16 deg. Pisces Scorpio Aries
Sun 10 deg. Libra Capricorn Capricorn
Mars 28 deg. Cancer Pisces Sagittarius
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With a debilitated moon, if there is a neechabhanga how does it behave? Does it end up making the native too emotional?

In this case, can neechabhanga actually be bad?
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[quote="VioletTwilight"]It looks to me that most "researchers" have debilitated Moon.
It is almost a pre-requisite I guess due to the nature of work that requires one to apply rational logic irrespective of their life events and not be swayed by their emotional reaction to the topic.[/quote]


Dear VioletTwilight,
Its a very correct analysis and I was amazed to see the way you have put it in later messages, how it brings out the researcher in you. I am a researcher and have deb moon in D9 with Rahu.
I am humbly requesting you to please look at my chart and let me know two things. (i) How my rest of the Rahu Mahadasha will be (till 2019) and (ii) how coming Shani sade sati which overlaps with my Jupiter Mahadasha will be?

I would really appreciate if you please analyze my chart.
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rita wrote:I have a relative (female) with debilitated moon (Scorpio) in Jyestha. She is very stubborn and fixed in her attitude and speech. She always believes that she's right and will not change her mind if someone tries to convince her otherwise. Sometimes comes across as rude when speaking. She's also extremely secretive, hides her true emotions. She's also very self-centered, only takes an interest in something/someone if she has something to gain. She does not like taking advice from elders and always tends to do what she wants, without caring about their feelings.
A lot of this sounds like me! (I am also a jyestha female) Except for the part of being self-centered and taking an interest in someone only for gain. I am very loyal to others despite them not being able to give me anything in return and this attitude has gotten me into much trouble in life. But like your friend I don't see anything wrong with the other traits. In fact I see them as good things - depending of course on what is it she believes she is right on etc.- If she believes she is right about something and has decided a course of life for herself then why should she change her mind and let others convince her otherwise? I don't see why she should. It's her choice.

I do not know this woman, but it is quite possible she is unaware of how rude she comes across. People had often told me that I came across rude and insensitive and I always ignored them because I figured they just didn't like hearing the truth. As the old saying goes: People always say they want the truth, but they rarely like the taste of it when it's served to them. I believe in the truth and my honesty has gotten me into much trouble in life. However I do not mean to be rude. I did not realize how rude I came across until one day we were tape recorded in regular discussion and when in the privacy of my own home I played the tape I was shocked at how rude and bitter I was coming across! When I said those things I didn't feel any feelings of bitterness or disrespect at all and yet when I was hearing my voice coming out of the recorder that's what I was hearing! I realized then that I really did come across as rude and mean when I had no intention to. I also have this problem with writing emails sometimes. I will write someone and they will later ask me why I was so mean in my email. I would usually not know what they are talking about. Then I would re-read what I wrote and realize that I came off kurt. But this was not my intention.

I also have no relationship with my mother, but my mother is a manipulative woman and not a very good person. I have no hatred for her, but I do not miss her either even though I haven't spoken to her in many years. She's probably dead for all I know and I sincerely do not care enough about her to take the time to find out. I was miserable when I had her and her family in my life. Things got sooo much better for me when I cut them out of it. :)
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delilah.....hatred for mother...humm..can u upload yourdetails...u seem to be an intresting case..
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Exalted Mars.... where did you read that in my post? That is the opposite of what I said. hmmm. It is interesting that you chose to see the opposite of what was written. can you upload your details. u seem to be an interesting case. ;)
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I too have Jyestha moon during the birth
While I havent cut off connections like Delilah did, I have lowered the status of that relationship for I was ending up being too worked up on it....after doing that things have improved considerably( no expectations from other side as such)...
Not sure if I come out as mean while discussing the truth but I tend to think whether the words used as not hurting others....
Also the placement has given me a bit of edge(I think)...I tend to find things and reasons that I am looking for...not much but it always is an edge
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I have used that as a learning experience. It is not the words I chose that made me come across as rude- it was the tone I used in my communication. That is why I would be confused. I would look at my words and they were fine, but then upon reviewing a recording or an email I would see that my tone was very different than what I had originally thought it was. In the general nakshatra interpretation for jyestha it says "The native often appears too proud on the outside, but in reality he is just the opposite"

I believe this is true at least in my own case. People would think I was making assumptions about them and thinking badly of them when in reality I was only thinking good of them. If these interpretations are correct It seems that for many jyestha our outward emotional expression does not match what we actually feel inside. Perhaps this is what elipsis meant.
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