New Concepts for Mahapurusha Yoga (Besides Retrogade)

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Learned Members

In previous post, we talk about retrograde planets when placed in their own signs may or may not give Mhapurusha Yogas. This is because the planet may in some circumstances turn into its Vedhak planet in a a large portion (this attribute is a matter of degree). This post is exploring additional concepts on Mahapurusha Yoga (not Dg Bala which was explored in another earlier post) besides the retrograde point.

Also very much earlier, acknowledgement was made that Sun or Moon conjuncting a planet causing Mahapurusha Yoga may cause Bhanga to the Yoga. Sun I would say yes because any planet conjuncting the Sun becomes Kopi and weak. So Mahapurusha Yoga cannot be assumed if the Sun is with the planet in Kendra in its own or exaltation sign.

But we will give leeway to the Moon because any planet conjuncting the Moon gets stronger and this should not bhanga the Mahapurusha Yoga which the planet is causing assuming that planet has all the conditions that satisfy a Mahapurusha Yoga. But under certain conditions, the Moon can still bhanga the Mahapurusha Yoga as the following article will show. Please read the following article directed by the link :

http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/118123 ... za9tpaurk1

under the Mars column on Page 39.

Hope you get all the concepts discussed therein on how a Mahapurusha Yoga can get Bhanga (or annulled).

(I take Bhanga to mean annulled. If it is not the correct Sanskrit word, please let me know).

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[howzat]

by Khoo Hock Leong » 18 Jun 2013 11:44
Also very much earlier, acknowledgement was made that Sun or Moon conjuncting a planet causing Mahapurusha Yoga may cause Bhanga to the Yoga. Sun I would say yes because any planet conjuncting the Sun becomes Kopi and weak. So Mahapurusha Yoga cannot be assumed if the Sun is with the planet in Kendra in its own or exaltation sign.

kindly don't mistake me sir but I cannot be able to agree with this statement in the blue above. why I will tell. please see. Hitler is there no sir. what about Hitler sir? he is having exalted sun in the 7th house in aries along with Kuja in his own house causing Ruchaka yoga. can you be able to say Hitler did not have Ruchaka yoga and that his Ruchaka yoga is bhanga? Sanskrit meaning of word Bhanga means - destruction / breach / break / interruption.

you are quoting ancient indian astrology classes. (AICC classes volume 10) in that in page 45 author ladys miss Pamela mc donough is telling the following

Mr. Mondale’s Ruchaka Mahapurusha yoga is cancelled by all three planets in the tenth house with Mars; Saturn, Venus and Ketu Walter Mondale spent only three years in the Army, of which much of the time was spent guarding Fort Knox.. His Hamsa Mahapurusha yoga from the Moon however is not cancelled and his success as an attorney, writer and politician was supported by this Hamsa yoga.

kindly make his horoscope I am giving data below

Mondale, Walter
born on 5 January 1928 at 10:30 (= 10:30 AM )
Place Ceylon, Minnesota, 43n32, 94w38
Timezone CST h6w (is standard time)

firstly what means Hamsa yoga is only from the moon. Not from lagna. thus Hamsa yoga is not a strong. that is basic astrology. second is what means - Mondale walter was a American politician and US Vice President under Jimmy Carter, former US Ambassador to Japan, and former Senator (elected 1964) and Attorney General (1960) for the state of Minnesota. He is became Vice president of USA in the dasha of Saturn. Saturn is conjunct with Kuja and is in the Rasi of Kuja. both are in the same star of Jyeshta within 7.5 degree. where is bhanga sir? vice president of the United states the vice commander of the US army. correct sir? then how we can be able to say that there is no Ruchaka yoga? somebody is telling something means we must not blindly belief sir. we must test and see what is interpretation. correct no? what is the basis for author to say that he is spending only three years in the army and so he is having ruchaka mahapurusha bhanga? what about he becoming VP of the USA? what about he becoming the Attorney general of the state of minnesota? Author is a stupid sir. He is in united states army. not in some faltu country army like army of congo. that too he is guarding fort knox sir. not some stupid barrack.fort knox is 109000 acres big sir. entire united states country bullion in the gold is kept there. it is most secure place on this planet earth. what this Pamela she is telling mahapurasha yoga bhanga is there? what she is telling you are also repeating. this is correct ah? please tell for me. Phaladeepika is telling person with Ruchaka mahapurasha yoga is became the leader of an army. as vice president he is the second most powerful person in the united states sir. he is vice commander of the united states army. how we can be able to tell that he is having ruchaka yoga bhanga?

also you are telling

by Khoo Hock Leong » 18 Jun 2013 11:44
Hi Learned Members
In previous post, we talk about retrograde planets when placed in their own signs may or may not give Mhapurusha Yogas. This is because the planet may in some circumstances turn into its Vedhak planet in a a large portion (this attribute is a matter of degree). This post is exploring additional concepts on Mahapurusha Yoga (not Dg Bala which was explored in another earlier post) besides the retrograde point.

who told sir like this for you? what about Barack Obama sir? he is became the president of the united states for second time in the dasha of a retrograde Saturn which is in his own house in the lagna causing Sasha mahapurusha yoga. why are you saying it may not give mahapurasha yoga if retrograde planet is placed in own sign? kindly explain please.

[Har Har Mahadev]

by Khoo Hock Leong » 18 Jun 2013 11:44
Also very much earlier, acknowledgement was made that Sun or Moon conjuncting a planet causing Mahapurusha Yoga may cause Bhanga to the Yoga. Sun I would say yes because any planet conjuncting the Sun becomes Kopi and weak. So Mahapurusha Yoga cannot be assumed if the Sun is with the planet in Kendra in its own or exaltation sign.

kindly don't mistake me sir but I cannot be able to agree with this statement in the blue above. why I will tell. please see. Hitler is there no sir. what about Hitler sir? he is having exalted sun in the 7th house in aries along with Kuja in his own house causing Ruchaka yoga. can you be able to say Hitler did not have Ruchaka yoga and that his Ruchaka yoga is bhanga?[/i] Sanskrit meaning of word Bhanga means - destruction / breach / break / interruption.

Jataka Parijata, Ch7, St 60

The person born under the auspicious (Ruchaka) yoga will possess physical strength, fotrune, fame and fine qualities. He will have a knowledge of sciences; he will be versed in the sacred hymns, the method of praying with them and the art of producing magic spells, He will become a king or a king's compeer'
He will have a lovely attractive person; he will be liberal, victorious and wealthy. He will live 70 years in comfort and happiness,commading an army with a good supply of fleet horses.


Hitler's Mars Mahadasha started October 29/1923.

Hitler fled to the home of Ernst Hanfstaengl, and by some accounts contemplated suicide.[110] He was depressed but calm when arrested on 11 November 1923 for high treason.[111] His trial began in February 1924 before the special People's Court in Munich,[112] and Alfred Rosenberg became temporary leader of the NSDAP. On 1 April Hitler was sentenced to five years' imprisonment at Landsberg Prison.[113] He received friendly treatment from the guards; he was allowed mail from supporters and regular visits by party comrades. The Bavarian Supreme Court issued a pardon and he was released from jail on 20 December 1924, against the state prosecutor's objections.[114] Including time on remand, Hitler had served just over one year in prison.[115]

While at Landsberg, Hitler dictated most of the first volume of Mein Kampf (My Struggle; originally entitled Four and a Half Years of Struggle against Lies, Stupidity, and Cowardice) to his deputy, Rudolf Hess.[115] The book, dedicated to Thule Society member Dietrich Eckart, was an autobiography and an exposition of his ideology. Mein Kampf was influenced by The Passing of the Great Race by Madison Grant, which Hitler called "my Bible".[116] The book laid out Hitler's plans for transforming German society into one based on race. Some passages implied genocide.[117] Published in two volumes in 1925 and 1926, it sold 228,000 copies between 1925 and 1932. One million copies were sold in 1933, Hitler's first year in office.[118]


At the time of Hitler's release from prison, politics in Germany had become less combative and the economy had improved, limiting Hitler's opportunities for political agitation. As a result of the failed Beer Hall Putsch, the NSDAP and its affiliated organisations were banned in Bavaria. In a meeting with Prime Minister of Bavaria Heinrich Held on 4 January 1925, Hitler agreed to respect the authority of the state: he would only seek political power through the democratic process. The meeting paved the way for the ban on the NSDAP to be lifted.[119] Hitler was barred from public speaking,[120] a ban that remained in place until 1927.[121] To advance his political ambitions in spite of the ban, Hitler appointed Gregor Strasser, Otto Strasser, and Joseph Goebbels to organise and grow the NSDAP in northern Germany. A superb organiser, Gregor Strasser steered a more independent political course, emphasising the socialist element of the party's programme.[122].


Hitler's real rise & fall came in Rahu Mahadasha.

In his supposed Ruchaka period of mars, he was tried for treason, imprisoned, debarred from public speaking and never lived to see 70 years. YES, Hitler's Ruchaka Yoga was Bhanga.


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[howzat]

by Har Har Mahadev » 26 Jun 2013 10:23
Hitler's real rise & fall came in Rahu Mahadasha.
In his supposed Ruchaka period of mars, he was tried for treason, imprisoned, debarred from public speaking and never lived to see 70 years. YES, Hitler's Ruchaka Yoga was Bhanga.

laughable

why you know?

one big mistake peoples are making - thinking pancha maha purasa is a purely good. how much good it is - so much bad it is. can we be able to say - that it is a yoga bhanga because of this?

he was tried for treason imprisioned and debarred from public speaking. basic astrology one is knowing means - kuja is aspected by the 6th lord - conjunct with the 12th lord and the 8th lord. in the dasa of mars if he is not go to prison means where else he will go? can we say Ruchaka yoga is Bhanga?

it was due to the Ruchaka yoga only that hitler is became the supreme commander of the german armed force. if there was no ruchaka yoga how he ruled germany? it is not that he is rose only in Rahu mahadasha he started rising in the dasa of Kuja. one point all reader must think - how one Austrian - and failed artist painter became supreme commander of German army?

saravali is telling - 37 - 5-7. The native of Ruchaka Yoga will have a long face, pure splendour, great strength, valour, attractive eye brows, blue (very black) hair, penchant for war, knowledge of Mantras, be a leader of thieves, will have blood-red complexion, be very valorous, be a conqueror of enemies, will have a neck akin to conch, be chief, cruel, will honour gods and Brahmins, thin shanks, will have marks of a staff (actually means a staff with a skull at the top deemed to be Shiva's weapon, and carried by ascetics), cord, bull, arrow, diamond, lute etc. On the hands and legs, will be 100 inch tall, be skilled in Mantras and black magic, will weigh 100 tulas (one tula is 100 palas) and the circumference of his loins will correspond to the length of his face. He will rule places consisting of Vindhya and Sahya. He will live up to seventy and will attain his end through weapons/fire and will go to heavens.

if you are reading above - and we are expecting every single word of saravali must be come true means nobody in the world is having ruchaka yoga. why because nobody can have everything that saravali is telling.

what hitler had as per saravali
he was valorous
had pure splendour
great strength
was leader of thieves (Nazi peoples have stolen from jews. he is leader of Nazi)
he was chief of Nazi party
he honoured Brahmins - there he wanted pure Aryan race
he was cruel
he ruled a country
he died due to fire from weapon

just because he is die before 70 can we be able to say there is ruchaka yoga bhanga? what this

he is died in Rahu - Venus. Kuja killed him ah? He is double maraca no for Libra lagna? They why he is not dead in Kuja dasa? just because he died before 70 means can we be able to say that there is ruchaka yoga bhanga? what?

dasa of mars only it is setting him up for a great rise.

dasa of mars - 1923 - 1930 (combine effect of 8th lord venus - 12th lord Budha and 6th lord Guru via aspect)

in 1923 he participated in the famous beer hall putsch during which he and others proclaimed a national revolution in munich. his efforts earned him a two year jail term of which he served only 9 months. during his incarceration he wrote his first volume of mein kampf which became a best seller. The publicity of the putsch furthered his career and by 1929 he recieved national attention and much needed financial funding from important groups who began to concidered him as a gifted agitator.

to be continued

[Har Har Mahadev]

by howzat » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:51 am

by Har Har Mahadev » 26 Jun 2013 10:23
Hitler's real rise & fall came in Rahu Mahadasha.
In his supposed Ruchaka period of mars, he was tried for treason, imprisoned, debarred from public speaking and never lived to see 70 years. YES, Hitler's Ruchaka Yoga was Bhanga.

laughable

why you know?

Yes, because you completely avoided the Rahu question

Did or did not he rise& fall during Rahu time?

Anyway, leave that. We will come to Mars now.

basic astrology one is knowing means - kuja is aspected by the 6th lord - conjunct with the 12th lord and the 8th lord. in the dasa of mars if he is not go to prison means where else he will go? can we say
Ruchaka yoga is Bhanga?

So now you are admitting that Mars time got him in jail? And yet you claim this same mars gave him Ruchaka Yoga?

just because he is die before 70 can we be able to say there is ruchaka yoga bhanga? what this

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Either you did not read my earlier post, or did not understand. So, let me make it simpler.

In his Mars time,

1. He was tried
2. he was imprisoned
3. Debarred from public speaking


Still do you think Ruchaka Yoga was not bhanga ?!

For the benefit of all readers, in world war 1, he was a despatch runner mars surely gave him energy to run fast

during his incarceration he wrote his first volume of mein kampf which became a best seller.

Is writing a book also due to Ruchaka ?

[howzat]

Mr Mahadev

spend little money and buy two books. dont see free internet too much. lot of good is there in the internets but lot of nonsense is also there. here I am giving good please see down

collected papers in vedic astrology by Pt. Sanjay Rath - chapter 7 - page number - 212 213 214 215

Notable Horoscopes - B.V.Raman Sahib - Horoscope 58 - page number - 311 312 313 314 315 316

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 040506.htm

here what Respected Vaughn Paul sahib is telling please see -

In Hitler's early life he aspired to be an artist, represented by Venus, but failed miserably. He later became an absolute dictator by force, and the epitomy of a war monger, represented by Mars. He never married but did claim in speeches that the reason for this was because he was "married to the German people." In any case, let's just say he wasn't a very romantic or affectionate person. After all, he was responsible for death of over 30 million people! For these reasons, it does make logical sense that Mars won the war, grew in strength, and Venus lost and was weakened.

It should be noted that Venus is also closely aspected by Saturn in addition to being conjunct with Mars. Mars additionally increases in strength due to being in a ruchaka mahapurusha yoga. Both Mars and Venus are involved in multiple raja yogas and dana yogas with Mercury, the Sun and Saturn. These are factors that do play into the effect of Mars and Venus.

other than you nobody will say that Adolf Hitler is having Ruchaka Yoga Bhanga. all the answers for the question you are asking in your post is in this two books. please read. you must think - how one Austrian - and failed artist painter became supreme commander of German army?

final

Is writing a book also due to Ruchaka ?
Har Har Mahadev Newly Registered User
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you are new no so I will explain. Hitler first started writing in November 1923 and finished in 1926. During this he is running Antar dasa of Kuja Rahu and Guru in the Maha dasa of Kuja. Guru is 3rd lord (writing) and is putting aspect on Kuja and Rahu. Guru is in the 3rd Bhava (writing). then if he does not write in Kuja dasha Kuja - Rahu - and Guru antardasa when he will write?

also get your facts right - Hitler was decorated for bravery, receiving the Iron Cross, Second Class, in 1914. Recommended by Hugo Gutmann, he received the Iron Cross, First Class, on 4 August 1918, a decoration rarely awarded to one of Hitler's rank (Gefreiter).

after reading the two books still if you are wanting to think and believe that there is Ruchaka Yoga bhanga in hitler chart then I cannot be able to do anything.

[Har Har Mahadev]

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.Aaah, how are we today ! Lets now get down to business, shall we ?

Post by howzat » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:38 am
Mr Mahadev

spend little money and buy two books. dont see free internet too much. lot of good is there in the internets but lot of nonsense is also there.

Please do not make assumptions about my spending, or reading habits. When i need advice on either, I shall ask for it.

Guru is 3rd lord (writing) and is putting aspect on Kuja and Rahu. Guru is in the 3rd Bhava (writing). then if he does not write in Kuja dasha Kuja - Rahu - and Guru antardasa when he will write?

kuja is aspected by the 6th lord - conjunct with the 12th lord and the 8th lord. in the dasa of mars if he is not go to prison means where else he will go?

3rd lord guru putting aspect, kuja make him writer...

6th lord guru putting aspect, kuja sending him sending to jail ...


No Ruchaka effects in either of these two activities. kuja simply getting aspect and following Guru's orders

Post by howzat » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:38 am
also get your facts right - Hitler was decorated for bravery, receiving the Iron Cross, Second Class, in 1914. Recommended by Hugo Gutmann, he received the Iron Cross, First Class, on 4 August 1918, a decoration rarely awarded to one of Hitler's rank (Gefreiter).

But do you know how he got those medals? Or why ?

Hitler's post at regimental headquarters, providing frequent interactions with senior officers, may have helped him receive this decoration.[61] Though his rewarded actions may have been courageous, they were probably not highly exceptional.[62] He also received the Black Wound Badge on 18 May 1918.[63]

During his service at the headquarters, Hitler pursued his artwork, drawing cartoons and instructions for an army newspaper. During the Battle of the Somme in October 1916, he was wounded either in the groin area[64] or the left thigh by a shell that had exploded in the dispatch runners' dugout.

Hitler was a Gefrietier which is lowest of "Other Ranks". Never made Hauptmann, Oberst, nothing. Remember, he was running just the right age to rise in the military ranks. But no, he became a "gifted agitator" destined for jail !


Now - you have raised a very good, and valid question....how he became Supreme Commander of the German Army. The answer is very simple. The head of state is the head of the armed Forces. He became head of state and thus commander of army, not via military valor. What is needed for Political success? Sun.

This sentence from Vaughn Paul has the answer:

Both Mars and Venus are involved in multiple raja yogas and dana yogas with Mercury, the Sun and Saturn. These are factors that do play into the effect of Mars and Venus.

You just focused and underlined the wrong sentence

Do read whatever I have written with an open mind and you shall see sense.

Damn !! I gave you some advice too ! Ok, we're quits now

Har Har Mahadev.

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[howzat]

very strange no - now you have forgotten this underlined sentence and quickly shifted focus on the sun.

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 040506.htm

In Hitler's early life he aspired to be an artist, represented by Venus, but failed miserably. He later became an absolute dictator by force, and the epitomy of a war monger, represented by Mars. He never married but did claim in speeches that the reason for this was because he was "married to the German people." In any case, let's just say he wasn't a very romantic or affectionate person. After all, he was responsible for death of over 30 million people! For these reasons, it does make logical sense that Mars won the war, grew in strength, and Venus lost and was weakened.

It should be noted that Venus is also closely aspected by Saturn in addition to being conjunct with Mars. Mars additionally increases in strength due to being in a ruchaka mahapurusha yoga. Both Mars and Venus are involved in multiple raja yogas and dana yogas with Mercury, the Sun and Saturn. These are factors that do play into the effect of Mars and Venus.

you are saying his success is due to the Sun. I am not denying that the sun is another planet to contribute to his success. what i am wondering you know? i am wondering how sun got his power because if Kuja the rashi lord where sun is posited is weak or as you are saying ......... suffering from a Bhanga how did the sun get his power to make him the head of state. .

Vaughn Paul Sahib says that Hitler was the epitome of a war monger and became a absolute dictator by force. Did the sun in hitler's horoscope make him a war monger? or like Vaughn Paul sahib says - was it Mars?

BTW this discussion i thought was about about Ruchaka yoga and kuja - not about the sun. you should not have got the sun in. but i understand - when you cant give a convincing answer and know that you have lost a arguement - you have no other option but to confuse.

by Har Har Mahadev » 28 Jun 2013 19:35
Do read whatever I have written with an open mind and you shall see sense.

same to you


Damn !! I gave you some advice too ! Ok, we're quits now

boom shankar

[VioletTwilight]

Mahapurusha Yogas are so common and numerous, I wonder if there is a handy list about all the 'bhanga' rules or all additional conditions to be satisfied.

As far as this post goes, bhanga is caused by retrograde or conjunction with Sun or Moon. (Although, I thought strength of Sun and Moon is more important rather than other grahas within the same rasi of the Mahapurusha Yoga causing one).

I have none of these conditions, yet I don't see ANY results of these yogas.
In fact, I have two of those and each being 'dig bala' too. I am curious to hear what is causing 'bhanga' for this chart.

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Best regards,
Violet

[Har Har Mahadev]

Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:54 pm
very strange no - now you have forgotten this underlined sentence and quickly shifted focus on the sun.

Not strange at all. You kept asking how did he became "head" of German Army. My answer was he became head of state via a political process and hence head of Army. If I had to answer your question, I must "put" your focus to correct answer, no?

First time, you said:

it was due to the Ruchaka yoga only that hitler is became the supreme commander of the german armed force. if there was no ruchaka yoga how he ruled germany?

Let me go over rudimentary astrology first.

Mars: Police, Military
Sun: Government

There are many more, but since you get easily confused, I am keeping this really simple

After reading my posts, now you are telling:

Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:54 pm
]you are saying his success is due to the Sun. I am not denying that the sun is another planet to contribute to his success.

See? We are already making progress here ! From Ruchaka Yoga being the exclusive cause making him ruler & commander of germany, now you are seeing the role of sun.. You are learning, my friend , there is yet hope for you.

Now we will come to your other question.

what i am wondering you know? i am wondering how sun got his power

Very Simple, again basic astrology. Generally, with the first few chapters of any book when one learns about planets and rasis, the exaltation and debilitation is discussed. Did you see where Sun is posited? Its close to its deep exaltation point. Now if I talk more about sun, you will find another route to escape the main theme of discussion - so, let me stop here.

BTW this discussion i thought was about about Ruchaka yoga and kuja - not about the sun. you should not have got the sun in. but i understand

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But you kept asking how he became head. If you dont want an answer, dont ask a question

when you cant give a convincing answer and know that you have lost a arguement - you have no other option but to confuse.

I have actually convinced you on role of sun. I really cant help if you dont even know what you are confused about.


Ok, lets get back to mars now.

I have proved conclusively ruchaka yoga was bhanga - in the dasha of mars - we both know what he did. If Ruchaka Yoga was to fructify in dasha of mars, it clearly did not - instead the native spent his time in prison, in writing, and agitating. No Ruchaka Yoga here at all.

First you said ruchaka yoga only made him head of german army and head of state.
Then you said sun also contributed to his success ( thank me, buddy )

Make up your mind


Har Har Mahadev
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[howzat]

still no answer to my question.

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 040506.htm

In Hitler's early life he aspired to be an artist, represented by Venus, but failed miserably. He later became an absolute dictator by force, and the epitomy of a war monger, represented by Mars. He never married but did claim in speeches that the reason for this was because he was "married to the German people." In any case, let's just say he wasn't a very romantic or affectionate person. After all, he was responsible for death of over 30 million people! For these reasons, it does make logical sense that Mars won the war, grew in strength, and Venus lost and was weakened.

It should be noted that Venus is also closely aspected by Saturn in addition to being conjunct with Mars. Mars additionally increases in strength due to being in a ruchaka mahapurusha yoga. Both Mars and Venus are involved in multiple raja yogas and dana yogas with Mercury, the Sun and Saturn. These are factors that do play into the effect of Mars and Venus.

can you deny what Vaughn Paul sahib is saying? he says - Mars additionally increases in strength due to being in a ruchaka mahapurusha yoga.

please focus on the underlined and colored sentence above.

is he wrong?

boom shankar

[anxious2711]

Dear Howzat,

No one is saying that Mars did not affect him. Mars is still strong in own sign and in kendra. Har Har Mahadev ji is just saying that the Ruchaka yoga is bhanga.

Now you can go about quoting other astrologers, at the end of the day they are still people and people make mistakes. Just because Sir KN Rao or Respected Vaughn ji says something it does not mean it is the ultimate truth.

If you are genuinely looking for the truth instead of trying to force your point of view, then have a look at othe charts of people who have the MP yoga and of people who have it but do not feel the effect of it.

I don't mean to offend anyone by interfering in your discussion.

Regards,

[astrolearner15]

Khooji,

What happens if the planet is in Mrityubhaga? Does this cancel the Mahapurusha yoga?

[howzat]

by anxious2711 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:06 am
Dear Howzat,
No one is saying that Mars did not affect him. Mars is still strong in own sign and in kendra. Har Har Mahadev ji is just saying that the Ruchaka yoga is bhanga.
Now you can go about quoting other astrologers, at the end of the day they are still people and people make mistakes. Just because Sir KN Rao or Respected Vaughn ji says something it does not mean it is the ultimate truth.

mr anxious you are contradicting youself. first you are saying mars is still strong in own sign and in a kendra. Thus Ruchaka yoga forms automatically. Am i correct? I am asking under what condition does Ruchaka yoga get bhanga. Mr Khoo says because of the Sun. I have not heard of anything more ridiculious than that.

I am quoting three esteemed famous reputed and well learned astrologers. Mr Vaughn Paul sahib he is came to India from the America to give lecture at BVB in Delhi. I am asking one simple question to you and Mr Mahadev. are you two peoples knowing more than him?

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 040506.htm

In Hitler's early life he aspired to be an artist, represented by Venus, but failed miserably. He later became an absolute dictator by force, and the epitomy of a war monger, represented by Mars. He never married but did claim in speeches that the reason for this was because he was "married to the German people." In any case, let's just say he wasn't a very romantic or affectionate person. After all, he was responsible for death of over 30 million people! For these reasons, it does make logical sense that Mars won the war, grew in strength, and Venus lost and was weakened.

It should be noted that Venus is also closely aspected by Saturn in addition to being conjunct with Mars. Mars additionally increases in strength due to being in a ruchaka mahapurusha yoga. Both Mars and Venus are involved in multiple raja yogas and dana yogas with Mercury, the Sun and Saturn. These are factors that do play into the effect of Mars and Venus.

Vaughn Paul sahib is saying - Mars additionally increases in strength due to being in a ruchaka mahapurusha yoga.

my question for you and mr mahadev is a simple - please kindly tell this forum - Is Vaughn Paul Sahib right or wrong? simple you tell - yes or no.

now please you read this -

collected papers in vedic astrology by Pt. Sanjay Rath - chapter 7 - page number - 212 213 214 215

Notable Horoscopes - B.V.Raman Sahib - Horoscope 58 - page number - 311 312 313 314 315 316

in page 215 Respected Sanjay Rath sahib is saying -

Adolf Hitler, the architect of the second world war is a classic example of Ruchaka Mahapurusha Yoga

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in page 312 313 314 Notable horoscopes Respected B.V.Raman sahib is saying -

Any tyro in astrology can recognise that Hitlers horoscope bristles with aggressive tendencies. The following Yogas are present in the chart viz, 1. Ruchaka 2. Mahabhagya 3. kesari 4. lakshmi 5. sree kanta 6. sankha 7. papadhi 8. neecha karma. It must be noted that the mere presence of raja yogas do not make one a good man.

it was in Mars dasha beginning that he joined a progressive party and its name changed to national socialist. It was again in mars dasa that the putsch he organised to over throw the government was a failure and he found himself in prison for treason. Mars is in conjunction with Venus - the 1st and the 8th lordand aspected by Jupiter the 6th lord. That a contact between the 1st and the 6th or the 1st and the 8th lands one in prision is a astrology maxim that is proved in many a case.

Mr Mahadev is saying there is Ruchaka yoga bhanga because he went to jail in the dasa of Mars. Any person who is knowing basic astrology will tell that during the dasa of a planet - it will also give the results of the planets who are conjunct and aspect him. B V Raman is also saying the same thing. Does B V Raman sahib he say there is Ruchaka yoga bhanga because he went to jail?

now my question is simple. I am asking you and mr Mahadev - is Sanjay Rath sahib and B.V. Raman sahib right or wrong. Please tell this forum - yes or no.

thank you.

[Har Har Mahadev]

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@ Howzat:


Its your turn for some answers now, buddy. To your original question to Mr. Khoo to prove Ruchaka Yoga was Bhanga - I have conclusively proven it indeed was bhanga.

Stick to astrology here - not personalities. Mr. Vaughn, Mr. B V Raman, & Mr. Sanjay Rath - none of them is going to come here and write.

Its you and me. One to one. Come on. Prove it - that Hitler's Ruchaka Yoga was (only?) cause for his becoming head of germany.

@anxious: Sir - you have got it right. It was indeed that simple No one can deny that for political success, sun has to have some role, in fact a big role. Also, it is a fact of history, that hitler never rose in the german army due to military reasons. it was political. sun, and some major other raja yogas. to disregard all those and just hold on to ruchaka yoga as the sole cause makes no sense.

@the gentleman-that-sent-Pm: Sorry, i still cant reply because "reply" button is missing & something seems wrong, I have asked in another section for admin help. But, thank you.

@Astroloearner: Thanks for trying to bring the thread back on track.

@all readers: Even though Khoo may have quoted AICC as a starting point, this particular Yoga Bhanga is actually written in a classic on astrology. Not the most popular one, but a truly great work, because it has some content very unique from other classics. Hence this is not really another of the Internet-nonsense, but an ancient dictum. And, when it says Bhanga, just means ordinary effects, not the dazzling effect of the Pancha-maha purusha Yoga.

@Violet: This is the only known (to me at least) defined bhanga for Panchamahapurusha Yoga. However, the fructification of any yoga must be evaluated on the usual merits of the chart.

@Khoo: please continue the thread

Har Har Mahadev
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