What are the dasha results in case of parivartana yoga?
I remember reading that the dasha periods of planets in parivartana yoga tend to bring unexpected results.
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astrolearner15
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bob_astrologer
Hi astrolearner,
Parivartan yoga between good houses is a very good Rajyoga.
why? you have this?
Parivartan yoga between good houses is a very good Rajyoga.
why? you have this?
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astrolearner15
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I only have it in a divisional chart, but I know three people with dainya parivartana yoga in D1, and one of them has the MD & AD of the lords running.bob_astrologer wrote:Hi astrolearner,
Parivartan yoga between good houses is a very good Rajyoga.
why? you have this?
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bob_astrologer
Well, parivartan Yoga is seen generally from main chart. I don't know. Maybe you are right.
Daniya Yoga gives struggles. What about those people? How are they faring?
Daniya Yoga gives struggles. What about those people? How are they faring?
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hiimnotcool
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Dear friends,
I started Saturn MD a couple of weeks ago. It has already proven interesting! My fiance told me she was pregnant with our second child a few short days ago. I am wondering if any other insight can be gleaned from my chart???
august 29, 1985
10:33 PM
sacramento, ca
I started Saturn MD a couple of weeks ago. It has already proven interesting! My fiance told me she was pregnant with our second child a few short days ago. I am wondering if any other insight can be gleaned from my chart???
august 29, 1985
10:33 PM
sacramento, ca
Garima,
Your chart is different from mine in many ways. Your chart shows you should be very wealthy. Is it so?
Your chart is different from mine in many ways. Your chart shows you should be very wealthy. Is it so?
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bob_astrologer
Garima,
I am sure the planets in 11th house will give you happiness. 11th house is the house of upchaya house which is the house of growth. Planets placed there tend to do well later on or in from second part of your life. Please see this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS5XKjrYs5k
I am sure the planets in 11th house will give you happiness. 11th house is the house of upchaya house which is the house of growth. Planets placed there tend to do well later on or in from second part of your life. Please see this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS5XKjrYs5k
Bob,
I have read this theory that K.N. Rao has talked about, but it has always confused me. How are you calling my Venus malefic when it is the ascendant lord? How will you decide a planet is benefic or malefic: will you decide as per it's natural attributes, or on the basis of its lordships, or on the basis of its placement in the chart? If a planet is yogakarak for a lagna, will you call that benefic, even if it is placed in the 8th house? So it is a confusing theory. You cannot straight away say Venus is malefic for me just because it is in the 8th house. Don't forget that it is ascendant lord as well, which makes it a benefic.
I have read this theory that K.N. Rao has talked about, but it has always confused me. How are you calling my Venus malefic when it is the ascendant lord? How will you decide a planet is benefic or malefic: will you decide as per it's natural attributes, or on the basis of its lordships, or on the basis of its placement in the chart? If a planet is yogakarak for a lagna, will you call that benefic, even if it is placed in the 8th house? So it is a confusing theory. You cannot straight away say Venus is malefic for me just because it is in the 8th house. Don't forget that it is ascendant lord as well, which makes it a benefic.
bob_astrologer wrote:Eaxctly...Your case is what Kn rao said the period of benefic planets in malefic mahadasha is extremely bad and it has come true in your case. He said that suppose a kumbh lagna native is running malefic dasha and If yogakarak of Venus dasha comes, then his period will be extremely bad.
So it means that you will to first wait for your Venusian mahadasha to be over.
By the way, where you have posted your article?
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
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bob_astrologer
Yellow,
How Venus can be a benefic in your chart even if he is Lagna Lord, when he is in 8th house which is a dusthana house? You yourself wrote in above posts that venus has been entirely bad for you. Now you are saying that Venus is a benefic planet for you. Looks like retro mercury has confused you. You just can't seem to think straight.
Here the point of discussion is on your Venus for Libra Lagna and we are not talking about yogakaraka here at all.
How Venus can be a benefic in your chart even if he is Lagna Lord, when he is in 8th house which is a dusthana house? You yourself wrote in above posts that venus has been entirely bad for you. Now you are saying that Venus is a benefic planet for you. Looks like retro mercury has confused you. You just can't seem to think straight.
Here the point of discussion is on your Venus for Libra Lagna and we are not talking about yogakaraka here at all.
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bob_astrologer
Ok. So you want to know who wins i.e. dusthana or Yogakaraka. Let me show you an illustration-
1)Venus for Libra Lagna-
1st Lord- Positive
8th Lord- negative
Placement 8th house- negative
Comment
Two negatives are enough to clobber plus sign. So dusthana wins!
2) Yogakaraka Saturn for Libra in 8th house-
4th Lord- Positive
5th Lord- Positive
Placement 8th house- negative
Comment
Two plus are enough to clobber one negative. So Yogakaraka wins!
1)Venus for Libra Lagna-
1st Lord- Positive
8th Lord- negative
Placement 8th house- negative
Comment
Two negatives are enough to clobber plus sign. So dusthana wins!
2) Yogakaraka Saturn for Libra in 8th house-
4th Lord- Positive
5th Lord- Positive
Placement 8th house- negative
Comment
Two plus are enough to clobber one negative. So Yogakaraka wins!
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Bob,
The benefic or malefic status of a planet doesn't depend on its placement, but on its natural attributes and also on its lordships. Venus is a natural benefic and a functional neutral as per BPHS, irrespective of where it is placed in the chart. A planet which is malefic for an ascendant, howsoever well placed it maybe, will still be called a functional malefic. These are the basics of astrology, which everyone should learn. To say in astrology terms, my Venus is a natural benefic, functional netural, and ill placed. When K.N. Rao was talking about benefic or malefic what he meant was the functional status of the planet for the ascendant and not the condition of the planet based on its position and placement in the chart. In my chart, Sun is a functional malefic even if it is well placed in the 9th house, with no affliction to it, as it is the lord of the 11th house, which is a malefic house in astrology terms. I will tell you a simple rule, which Vaughn Paul has taught: the ascendant and 5th and 9th lords for each ascendant are functional benefics, and the rest of the planets are functional malefics.
The benefic or malefic status of a planet doesn't depend on its placement, but on its natural attributes and also on its lordships. Venus is a natural benefic and a functional neutral as per BPHS, irrespective of where it is placed in the chart. A planet which is malefic for an ascendant, howsoever well placed it maybe, will still be called a functional malefic. These are the basics of astrology, which everyone should learn. To say in astrology terms, my Venus is a natural benefic, functional netural, and ill placed. When K.N. Rao was talking about benefic or malefic what he meant was the functional status of the planet for the ascendant and not the condition of the planet based on its position and placement in the chart. In my chart, Sun is a functional malefic even if it is well placed in the 9th house, with no affliction to it, as it is the lord of the 11th house, which is a malefic house in astrology terms. I will tell you a simple rule, which Vaughn Paul has taught: the ascendant and 5th and 9th lords for each ascendant are functional benefics, and the rest of the planets are functional malefics.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Bob,
About the two examples you have given, it is not about, who is winning, and who is losing. In the first case, Venus is a natural benefic, functional neutral, but ill placed. In the second case, Saturn is a natural malefic, functional benefic, and ill placed. Don't forget Saturn even if a yogakarak is a natural malefic, so it will give some negative results, for that reason, and when it comes to Venus, it is a natural benefic, and it will give some positive results, even if badly placed and lords a bad house. My confusion is when K.N. Rao mentioned a benefic/malefic planet, whether he mentioned its benefic/malefic status on the basis of its natural attribute, or on the basis of its lordship or on the basis of both. I don't think he considered on the basis of its placement and aspect of planets.
About the two examples you have given, it is not about, who is winning, and who is losing. In the first case, Venus is a natural benefic, functional neutral, but ill placed. In the second case, Saturn is a natural malefic, functional benefic, and ill placed. Don't forget Saturn even if a yogakarak is a natural malefic, so it will give some negative results, for that reason, and when it comes to Venus, it is a natural benefic, and it will give some positive results, even if badly placed and lords a bad house. My confusion is when K.N. Rao mentioned a benefic/malefic planet, whether he mentioned its benefic/malefic status on the basis of its natural attribute, or on the basis of its lordship or on the basis of both. I don't think he considered on the basis of its placement and aspect of planets.
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"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
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bob_astrologer
Ok. Thankyou for sharing the simple rule. Now I am wondering why Venus has failed to give you anything as Lagna Lord? You don't have career, no effects of VRY, no marriage, etc.
I feel they must have written more i.e. Lords of Lagna, 5th and 9th houses do well provided they are well placed. Otherwise Kn Rao had not cautioned astrologers to be careful with those clients who have afflicted 5th Lord or house. Otherwise afflicted 5th house/ lord shows bad karmas from past lives. Then how an afflicted 5th be benefic, irrespective of any lagna?
I feel they must have written more i.e. Lords of Lagna, 5th and 9th houses do well provided they are well placed. Otherwise Kn Rao had not cautioned astrologers to be careful with those clients who have afflicted 5th Lord or house. Otherwise afflicted 5th house/ lord shows bad karmas from past lives. Then how an afflicted 5th be benefic, irrespective of any lagna?
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bob_astrologer
About Sun being placed well in 9th house, No it is not as malefics are not welcomed in 9th house and you know this very well. Yes, as 11th Lord He can give you gains through father but there will be trouble to both of you as Sun is damaging 9th house. This also shows obstacles in the life of your father. As of now I am keeping aside badhakesh concept.
Ok, I will look into functional and benefics which Rao talked about. I have that book but given to someone else.
Ok, I will look into functional and benefics which Rao talked about. I have that book but given to someone else.
I clearly remember he wrote this that in the mahadasha of a malefic planet, the antardasha of yogakaraka is extremely bad. If we see logically here, he is talking about malefic planets which is bad placed irrespective of functional malefics or neutral. If he were talking about which is confusing you, he would clearly written there. I think you must be having his book and you can confirm this yourself as of now.My confusion is when K.N. Rao mentioned a benefic/malefic planet, whether he mentioned its benefic/malefic status on the basis of its natural attribute, or on the basis of its lordship or on the basis of both. I don't think he considered on the basis of its placement and aspect of planets.
I checked the book. This is what is written there: "If the mahadasha period is of a malefic, the result of even a benefic antardasha can be troublesome; if they are not associated mutually." Nothing else is mentioned. But he talks about, who is a benefic, and who is a malefic for each lagna in the earlier part of the book:bob_astrologer wrote:I clearly remember he wrote this that in the mahadasha of a malefic planet, the antardasha of yogakaraka is extremely bad. If we see logically here, he is talking about malefic planets which is bad placed irrespective of functional malefics or neutral. If he were talking about which is confusing you, he would clearly written there. I think you must be having his book and you can confirm this yourself as of now.
Benefics for each lagna: first, fifth and ninth lords.
Malefics for each lagna: third, sixth and eleventh lords.
Neutrals for each lagna: second, eigth and twelth lords.
Special neutrals for each lagna: lagna, fourth, seventh and tenth lords.
Most potent malefics for each lagna: 8th lord.
In the end he says: "Principles given in these tables will have to be blended to arrive at a complete, composite and explanatory picture."
Now as he has mentioned all this before coming to the chapter where he talks about benefic and malefic planetary period, maybe it is to be presumed that on the above stated basis it is to be decided whether a planet whose period is running is benefic or malefic. Now taking the rules into consideration, Venus is a benefic, neutral and malefic for me. But it is more malefic as it is in the 8th house. So you are right in a way. But all I am saying is, you can't jump to a conclusion about the benefic and malefic status of a planet by seeing its placement or influence of other planets.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Bob,
You are right, a benefic planet if afflicted will do damage. Even a yogakarak planed if afflicted will give bad results. I am not disagreeing with you on that. My point was different. Anyway... And yes, Venus has given me nothing, in spite of being lagna lord and having VRY.
You are right, a benefic planet if afflicted will do damage. Even a yogakarak planed if afflicted will give bad results. I am not disagreeing with you on that. My point was different. Anyway... And yes, Venus has given me nothing, in spite of being lagna lord and having VRY.
bob_astrologer wrote:Ok. Thankyou for sharing the simple rule. Now I am wondering why Venus has failed to give you anything as Lagna Lord? You don't have career, no effects of VRY, no marriage, etc.
I feel they must have written more i.e. Lords of Lagna, 5th and 9th houses do well provided they are well placed. Otherwise Kn Rao had not cautioned astrologers to be careful with those clients who have afflicted 5th Lord or house. Otherwise afflicted 5th house/ lord shows bad karmas from past lives. Then how an afflicted 5th be benefic, irrespective of any lagna?
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Yes, it is true, Sun is not good in the 9th house. Yes, you are right, it has given difficulties in the life of my father.
bob_astrologer wrote:About Sun being placed well in 9th house, No it is not as malefics are not welcomed in 9th house and you know this very well. Yes, as 11th Lord He can give you gains through father but there will be trouble to both of you as Sun is damaging 9th house. This also shows obstacles in the life of your father. As of now I am keeping aside badhakesh concept.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
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bob_astrologer
okay.
BTW, have you heard about this- Venus in own sign or exalted or well placed or under aspect from yogakaraka planet gives better life and luck after marriage?
This dictum was told to me by someone but I cannot verify it. But if looked logically, then it makes sense.
BTW, have you heard about this- Venus in own sign or exalted or well placed or under aspect from yogakaraka planet gives better life and luck after marriage?
This dictum was told to me by someone but I cannot verify it. But if looked logically, then it makes sense.
Bob,
Yes, I have heard of that. But I am still wondering whether I will get married or not. That is a big question in itself. When do you see me getting married? In which period, I mean.
Yes, I have heard of that. But I am still wondering whether I will get married or not. That is a big question in itself. When do you see me getting married? In which period, I mean.
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ashtalakshmi
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Yes, true in my case. My lagna lord Venus placed in Taurus gets aspected by Yk Saturn .bob_astrologer wrote:okay.
BTW, have you heard about this- Venus in own sign or exalted or well placed or under aspect from yogakaraka planet gives better life and luck after marriage?
This dictum was told to me by someone but I cannot verify it. But if looked logically, then it makes sense.
mr yellow i am telling and making prediction for you see - you are getting marry in 2032 in MD AD PD and OD of Mars. Why means Mars is a 7L for you and also 2L. before one chance is there 2016 july. if can means yu do other vice then only in 2032.by Yellow » 13 Jun 2013 16:38
Bob,
Yes, I have heard of that. But I am still wondering whether I will get married or not. That is a big question in itself. When do you see me getting married? In which period, I mean.
