A New Way of Looking at Planets

[elipsis]

howzat, don't fall for her new theories.

Truth is, Jupiter is exalted in the nakshatra of Saturn (pushyami, 5 degrees) and Saturn is exalted in the star of Jupiter (vishaka, 20 degrees).

[anuradha]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

howzat, don't fall for her new theories.

Truth is, Jupiter is exalted in the nakshatra of Saturn (pushyami, 5 degrees) and Saturn is exalted in the star of Jupiter (vishaka, 20 degrees).

O.K

[bob_astrologer]

Anuradha ji is absolutely correct.

23-sep-1984
9:52pm
delhi

Change the time to 9.54pm, nakshatra and navamsha changes.

Based on Kundli lite..

Navamsha and nakshatra changes after a few minutes at 20 degree ..

[anuradha]

Please verify in the book'' The Nakshatras The Lunar Mansions Of Vedic Astrology'' by Dennis M. Harness, page 59,Saturn a Vata planet get exalted in Swati . A wrong basic will land an astrologer into wrong conclusion.

[moksha line]

howzat, anuradha ji is correct.. I also checked ok ah?

[elipsis]

Please read Sarvatha Chintamani (sanskrit translation) by J.N Bhasin. I understand basics very well, thanks, been predicting for over 10 years. You don't seem to have the knowledge of mythology behind planets, there is a reason why Saturn attains exaltation in Libra, in D9 - which is the exaltation sign of Sun.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

My Jupiter is also a trinal lord both in Rasi and Navamsa by the way, another reason why the placement in the 8th for Jupiter in Navamsa is not so bad.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Thanks astrologers for all your contributions. Let me read through it.

Everyday my Jyotish knowledge is gaining.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Everyone :

(1) Elipsis, I think your way of looking at divisional chart gives a new angle and yes, it has its basis. They are not new concepts and making the planet as the centre point in the respective divisional chart and find the relative position of the planet in the Rasi with respect to that centre point, does indeed asses the strength of that planet in that divisional chart.

Thanks for your write-up.

1ST POINT
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Nevertheless, some astrologers do not consider sign placement and aspects in divisional charts (like you), because their argument is that signs in divisional charts are piece together from various portions in the Rasi chart, on surface it sounds logical, but actually it is something like quantum theory, where you have look at space-time in a totally new angle (I have written something in that direction when I joined the forum).

2ND POINT
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Your reason for not considering sign placements (or for that matter aspects, but not in your case) is that you said higher divisional charts are more spiritual. Firstly Navamsa being D-9 is still considered under the material categorization of divisional charts (only charts like D24 is on the more spiritual plane etc.) but because it expands on the 9th house, it shows whether the person has an inclination for spiritual pursuits.

Secondly, even for the spiritual argument, sign placements and aspects still count. It shows the spiritual power of the person depending which divisional chart you are considering. All this because the initial reason I gave about the space-time dimension having to be looked at differently (1st point) also comes into the picture in this second point.

SATURN'S EXALTATION POINT
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Regarding Saturn's exaltation point, it should be in Swati. It is not only the geometry argument as indicated by all the astrologers but the fact that Swati is not only ruled by Rahu which accords with Saturn, its deity is the wind God. It has connotation of a sapling which does not bend with the wind, which grows stronger as the year passes, which fits exactly the picture of Saturn.

And of course you cannot have Saturn in deep exaltation in the Rasi chart and debilitated in D-9. Placements in divisional charts do count and because of that you cannot have the contradiction in the aforesaid mentioned statement. There cannot be a clash. Astrology does not work that way.

Jupiter exalted in 5 degree of Pushyami is because Jupiter happens to be the deity there. The fact that Saturn rules that Nakshatra is not the main reason why Jupiter's exaltation point is there, although it gives Jupiter grounding. Pushya is at the point, where all forces (malefic or benefic) are at rest so that everyone can seek comfort and solace, and seek higher divinatory powers to up their spiritual richness.

To be continued......

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Now for the main idea in this post.

(2) Because Rasi and Navamsa are the main charts for looking at the overall strength of a Jataka, and Navamsa is the foundation of the Rasi, what this post is saying that depending on the planet concerned, you can get FULL BENEFITS only if other certain planets are strong in the Navamsa (or just take Rasi if you want to discount Navamsa).

So Mars if strong (strength is not just placements, you have to consider Shad Bala, Ashtakavarga of the planet's placemnts etc.) for a Cancer Ascendant in the Rasi (or Navamsa) the person can tap the full benefits without regard to the other planet's strengths. And the list goes down.

One reason why Saturn for the Taurus Ascendant though ruling the 9th and 10th house, the individual still does not get the full benefit, because for Saturn to be powerful, all other planets have to be powerful in the chart. Also the reason why Saturn gives a lot of obstructions and only blessings when the person is highly evolved.

The thing you do not consider in the divisional charts is the Arudha concept because D1 is the physical self where people view you (unless someone has X-ray eyes to see through you via the divisional charts CLEARLY which is what the Arudha concept is all about).

The Chara Karaka concept you also look at from the Rasi only because it is from here you get your Atmakaraka, and all these significators like Atmakaraka, Atmayakarka etc. need the body (the sheath) to house it in one spot, so that they can hone in on their effects on the other divisional charts.

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

The Arudha concept by the way can be looked at D60 also because it is such a powerful spiritual chart, that others can see your true nature even without the straight physical manifestation reality denoted by the D1.

(This is the only chart where we can use our X-ray vision).

[howzat]

by elipsis » 09 Jun 2013 19:08
howzat, don't fall for her new theories.
Truth is, Jupiter is exalted in the nakshatra of Saturn (pushyami, 5 degrees) and Saturn is exalted in the star of Jupiter (vishaka, 20 degrees).

dear ellipsis,

sir one great English man told like this - if you realise during a debate that you have your facts wrong and are bound to lose face, and you cannot convince anybody because you know you are wrong - then give them some new unfounded theories and leave them confused

what anuradha is done - same thing which English man told. if person is wrong they must have the grace to accept that they are wrong. but what to do? this is open forum no so nobody is accepting that they done the wrong things. face will go no that is why. but what means they must ask one question for themselves. by confusing peoples are they doing the correct things to Jyotish? that they only have to answer to them selves.

Again I am telling - anuradha is correct that before 20.00 degree shani is getting pisces navamsha. but at and from 20.00 degree in Tula in D1 chart - shani is getting aries navamsha. so you are correct.

now practical I will show please all readers see. don't be confucious. here debate point is what? what is the navamsha for Shani when he is getting 20.00 degree in libra. simple it is - shani is getting deep exaltation point at 20.00 degree. that all are knowing. now see down

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa
Lagna 27 Vi 46' 45.24" Chit 2 Vi Vi
Sun - BK 18 Li 40' 53.25" Swat 4 Li Pi
Moon - GK 7 Sc 54' 22.80" Anu 2 Sc Vi
Mars - MK 17 Le 59' 55.09" PPha 2 Le Vi
Mercury (R) - PK 11 Li 43' 50.15" Swat 2 Li Cp
Jupiter - AK 26 Ge 27' 20.80" Puna 2 Ge Ta
Venus - DK 5 Sg 41' 20.10" Mool 2 Sg Ta
Saturn - AmK 20 Li 00' 00.00" Visa 1 Li Ar
Rahu - PiK 13 Li 14' 54.70" Swat 2 Li Cp
Ketu 13 Ar 14' 54.70" Aswi 4 Ar Cn

what is the navamsha? Aries.

still want means see again
Body Longitude (in D-9) Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa
Saturn - 0 Ar 00' 00.04" Aswi 1 Ar Ar

over no.

[anuradha]

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dear ellipsis,

sir one great English man told like this - if you realise during a debate that you have your facts wrong and are bound to lose face, and you cannot convince anybody because you know you are wrong - then give them some new unfounded theories and leave them confused 

what anuradha is done - same thing which English man told. if person is wrong they must have the grace to accept that they are wrong. but what to do? this is open forum no so nobody is accepting that they done the wrong things. face will go no that is why. but what means they must ask one question for themselves. by confusing peoples are they doing the correct things to Jyotish? that they only have to answer to them selves.

Again I am telling - anuradha is correct that before 20.00 degree shani is getting pisces navamsha. but at and from 20.00 degree in Tula in D1 chart - shani is getting aries navamsha. so you are correct.

now practical I will show please all readers see. don't be confucious. here debate point is what? what is the navamsha for Shani when he is getting 20.00 degree in libra. simple it is - shani is getting deep exaltation point at 20.00 degree. that all are knowing. now see down

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa
Lagna 27 Vi 46' 45.24" Chit 2 Vi Vi
Sun - BK 18 Li 40' 53.25" Swat 4 Li Pi
Moon - GK 7 Sc 54' 22.80" Anu 2 Sc Vi
Mars - MK 17 Le 59' 55.09" PPha 2 Le Vi
Mercury (R) - PK 11 Li 43' 50.15" Swat 2 Li Cp
Jupiter - AK 26 Ge 27' 20.80" Puna 2 Ge Ta
Venus - DK 5 Sg 41' 20.10" Mool 2 Sg Ta
Saturn - AmK 20 Li 00' 00.00" Visa 1 Li Ar
Rahu - PiK 13 Li 14' 54.70" Swat 2 Li Cp
Ketu 13 Ar 14' 54.70" Aswi 4 Ar Cn

what is the navamsha? Aries. 

still want means see again 
Body [color=#0000BF]Longitude (in D-9)[/color] Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa
Saturn - 0 Ar 00' 00.04" Aswi 1 Ar Ar

I have give the name of the book along with page no , you can verify that Saturn is exalted in Swati 4-charan[ Pisces] navmanha. The moment it passes that point it will be in Vishkha nakshtra and Aries navmansha.

[elipsis]

dear ellipsis,

sir one great English man told like this - if you realise during a debate that you have your facts wrong and are bound to lose face, and you cannot convince anybody because you know you are wrong - then give them some new theories and leave them confused

what anuradha is done - same thing which English man told. if person is wrong they must have the grace to accept that they are wrong. but what to do? this is open forum no so nobody is accepting that they done the wrong things. face will go no that is why. but what means they must ask one question for themselves. by confusing peoples are they doing the correct things to Jyotish? that they only have to answer to them selves.

howzat, I would agree with that assertion. There is a huge ego clash - overpowered Jupiter with a touch of venus perhaps . I joined here to help people whenever I'm free but getting into debates with the Gods of astrology is not helpful- I go nowhere.

Bless you.

[anuradha]

Again I am telling - anuradha is correct that before 20.00 degree shani is getting pisces navamsha. but at and from 20.00 degree in Tula in D1 chart - shani is getting aries navamsha. so you are correct.

now practical I will show please all readers see. don't be confucious. here debate point is what? what is the navamsha for Shani when he is getting 20.00 degree in libra. simple it is - shani is getting deep exaltation point at 20.00 degree. that all are knowing. now see down

Libra 20 degree[point] is in Swati 4 chran not at Vishakha. Vishakha starts after that [ 20 degree plus....]

[howzat]

by anuradha » 10 Jun 2013 09:31
I have give the name of the book along with page no , you can verify that Saturn is exalted in Swati 4-charan[ Pisces] navmanha. The moment it passes that point it will be in Vishkha nakshtra and Aries navmansha.

dear anuradha ji

I never told shani is not exalted in swati. I told anywhere? elipisis also never told that. anywhere he told? not told no. He told that when

one simple question I am asking - if shani passes Pisces navamsha and if Shani goes to vishaka nakshatra in D1 and gets aries navamsha are you telling shani is not exalted? yes or no. simple I am asking.

[howzat]

by anuradha » 10 Jun 2013 09:42
Libra 20 degree[point] is in Swati 4 chran not at Vishakha. Vishakha starts after that [ 20 degree plus....]

20 degree point - please see where navamsha is.

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa
Saturn - 20 Li 00' 00.00" Visa 1 Li Ar

[anuradha]

dear anuradha ji

I never told shani is not exalted in swati. I told anywhere? elipisis also never told that. anywhere he told? not told no. He told that when

one simple question I am asking - if shani passes Pisces navamsha and if Shani goes to vishaka nakshatra in D1 and gets aries navamsha are you telling shani is not exalted? yes or no. simple I am asking

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

Saturn gets exalted in Vishaka Nakshatra, 1st pada (mars).

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Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

That link was basic level. Saturn does attain strength at 20 degrees in the star of vishaka. But you can take Swati or whatever fits your prediction I was merely explaining why debilitation in the divisional charts doesn't hold any significance.

e: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

This theory doesn't really work in practice. Let's take the exaltation of Saturn for instance, the deep exaltation point is at 20 degrees in Libra - this means saturn will be sitting in sign of Aries in D9 so this theory of yours fails.

So if I want Saturn to be deeply exalted it obviously stays weak sign within the D9 chart, this doesn't mean the planet itself is weak, why because the exaltation and debilitation applies only to rasi chart because as you go high up the ladder of divisions you are reaching the spiritual plane and it won't have anything to do with your material pursuits.

Please read it again.

[howzat]

I think you need to read it again anuradha ji - this time don't just read - try and understand what he is saying -

by elipsis » 090613

This theory doesn't really work in practice. Let's take the exaltation of Saturn for instance, the deep exaltation point is at 20 degrees in Libra - this means saturn will be sitting in sign of Aries in D9 so this theory of yours fails.

So if I want Saturn to be deeply exalted it obviously stays weak sign within the D9 chart, this doesn't mean the planet itself is weak, why because the exaltation and debilitation applies only to rasi chart

anywhere ellipsis told that shani is not exalted in swati? or he is not exalted in any other degree other than 20.00 degree? all he is saying is that at deep exaltation point of 20.00 shani gets aries navamsha.

[anuradha]

anywhere ellipsis told that shani is not exalted in swati? or he is not exalted in any other degree other than 20.00 degree? all he is saying is that at deep exaltation point of 20.00 shani gets aries navamsha.
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by elipsis » 090613

This theory doesn't really work in practice. Let's take the exaltation of Saturn for instance, the deep exaltation point is at 20 degrees in Libra - this means saturn will be sitting in sign of Aries in D9 so this theory of yours fails.

So if I want Saturn to be deeply exalted it obviously stays weak sign within the D9 chart, this doesn't mean the planet itself is weak, why because the exaltation and debilitation applies only to rasi chart because as you go high up the ladder of divisions you are reaching the spiritual plane and it won't have anything to do with your material pursuits.

by elipsis » 090613

Saturn gets exalted in Vishaka Nakshatra, 1st pada (mars).
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Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

That link was basic level. Saturn does attain strength at 20 degrees in the star of vishaka. But you can take Swati or whatever fits your prediction I was merely explaining why debilitation in the divisional charts doesn't hold any significance.

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

You made me read parasara again, thanks

20 Degrees is vishaka, 1st pada[/quote

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by howzat » 090613

arre anuradha ji - deep exaltation point is AT - @ 20 degree - navamsha is aries. you put and see please.

At 20 degree please you put and see which Navamsha Shani is getting please. AT 20 degree he is getting Aries Navamsha. you only are telling exaltation point is 20 degree - then how pisces navamsha is coming? please tell? if want to see means you put J hora november 5 2013 / 12:00 PM / mumbai and see where shani is sitting in navamsha. see shani degree - it is 20.00 degree. thank you.

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

howzat, don't fall for her new theories.

Truth is, Jupiter is exalted in the nakshatra of Saturn (pushyami, 5 degrees) and Saturn is exalted in the star of Jupiter (vishaka, 20 degrees).

At 20 degree[Deep exaltation] Saturn will be in Swati 4 charan , 6th navmansha, so will be in Pisces in D-9

[adity]

Dear Anuradha,

I have been following this thread. I am a little confused. Please clarify it for me.

1. Deep exaltation of saturn is at 20 degrees which you are agreeing to. Am I correct?
2. At 20 degrees, saturn is in vishaka nakshatra in the chart provided by Howzat -Nov 5th, 2013, mumbai.
3. At 3.01 saturn is at 19 degrees 59 in swati nakshatra and gets Pisces Navamsha.
4. At 3.02 saturn is 20 degrees 0(his deep exaltation point) in Vishaka nakshatra and gets aries navamsha.

What is the confusion? Do you have any other data which says otherwise? Would be of great help if you can provide another data which says otherwise.

[howzat]

by adity » 10 Jun 2013 11:56

Dear Anuradha,

I have been following this thread. I am a little confused. Please clarify it for me.

1. Deep exaltation of saturn is at 20 degrees which you are agreeing to. Am I correct?
2. At 20 degrees, saturn is in vishaka nakshatra in the chart provided by Howzat -Nov 5th, 2013, mumbai.
3. At 3.01 saturn is at 19 degrees 59 in swati nakshatra and gets Pisces Navamsha.
4. At 3.02 saturn is 20 degrees 0(his deep exaltation point) in Vishaka nakshatra and gets aries navamsha.

What is the confusion? Do you have any other data which says otherwise? Would be of great help if you can provide another data which says otherwise.

hello

see peoples are getting confucious about this point. AT the 20th degree saturn is getting aries navamsha.

now please see -

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa
Saturn - 19 Li 59' 59.99" Swat 4 Li Pi


till now @ 19.59. 59.99 saturn is not got the deep exaltation degree. please note the point. also you see that Shani is getting Pisces navamsha

AT the 20th degree WHICH IS THE DEEP EXALTATION POINT OF SHANI - he is getting mesha navamsha. simple it is.

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa
Saturn - 20 Li 00' 00.00" Visa 1 Li Ar


WHAT ANURADHA TOLD BELOW IS TOTALLY WRONG

by anuradha » 10 Jun 2013 10:52
At 20 degree[Deep exaltation] Saturn will be in Swati 4 charan , 6th navmansha, so will be in Pisces in D-9

[elipsis]

This is from the Vedic Astrology text book by PVR Narasimha Rao (Student of Pt Sanjay Rath).





Always use caution guys, be careful what you accept.

[anuradha]

hello

see peoples are getting confucious about this point. AT the 20th degree saturn is getting aries navamsha.

now please see -

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa
Saturn - 19 Li 59' 59.99" Swat 4 Li Pi


till now @ 19.59. 59.99 saturn is not got the deep exaltation degree. please note the point. also you see that Shani is getting Pisces navamsha

AT the 20th degree WHICH IS THE DEEP EXALTATION POINT OF SHANI - he is getting mesha navamsha. simple it is.

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa
Saturn - 20 Li 00' 00.00" Visa 1 Li Ar


WHAT ANURADHA TOLD BELOW IS TOTALLY WRONG
by anuradha » 10 Jun 2013 10:52
At 20 degree[Deep exaltation] Saturn will be in Swati 4 charan , 6th navmansha, so will be in Pisces in D-9
Just a dream - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RamMC5q8nA

Just too much dependence on computer, no manual calculation. .

[howzat]

by anuradha » 10 Jun 2013 18:36
Just too much dependence of computer no manual calculation. .

dont push your luck too far.

show me the manual calculation for arriving at the lagna of this horoscope

04 04 1971
02:58
bangalore

show me how you arrive at the lagna.

I challenge you on this open forum.