A New Way of Looking at Planets

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Learned Members

Again come across this piece of sterling wisdom on an article in theinternet.

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REMEMBER, this is extremely important and next time if you see an Exalted Saturn or Jupiter and are just about to declare result as positive at that time just hold a bit and check the below mentioned points.

a) If Mars is bad in strength or in malefic influence then Venus can never give its complete auspicious effect even if it is exalted that means Venus is dependent on Mars.

b) Mercury is very much dependent on both Mars and Venus.

c) Moon auspiciousness depends on the well being of Mars, Venus and Mercury

d) Sun’s, In addition to Mars, Venus and Mercury is also dependent on Moon's well being

e) Jupiter will be completely auspicious only when all of Sun, Moon, Mars, Venus and Mercury are under no malefic influences

f) And last but not the least, If you want Saturn to be completely auspicious, you need to have all the planets in power with no malefic influence

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Isn't the reason why very few people get the benefits of their chart?

Now I am fortunate in the sense I have a very good Navamsa and you know Navamsa is the foundation for the Rasi.

Mars in Scorpio conjuncting North Node (although no good for spiritual pursuits).
Venus in Libra
Mercury in Gemini
Moon in Virgo
Sun in Sagittarius
Jupiter in Pisces
Saturn in Gemini and because it is retrogade, it is also in Taurus

Best Regards
Hock Leong

[elipsis]

Could have been simpler if you had just said all planets have to be well placed. I tend to agree

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Aha ellipsis, but there is a difference from the phrase "all planets must be well placed".

So for example, if all planets are badly placed but Mars is well placed, Mars still can give full good beneficial effects.

It then goes down the ladder of Venus, Mercury, Moon, Sun, Jupiter and then Saturn.

So beneficial effects of the respective planets in the following order are possible :

Mars
Mars and Venus
Mars and Venus and Mercury
Mars and Venus and Mercury and Moon
Mars and Venus and Mercury and Moon and Sun
Mars and Venus and Mercury and Moon and Sun and Jupiter
Mars and Venus and Mercury and Moon and Sun and Jupiter and Saturn

I happen to have the last combination in my Navamsa.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

By the way my Jupiter although in 8th Bhava in Navamsa, it is Pushkara, own sign, the fact that it is Jupiter plus it is Bhavam Vargottam, shows that it is still a good placement.

[elipsis]

This theory doesn't really work in practice. Let's take the exaltation of Saturn for instance, the deep exaltation point is at 20 degrees in Libra - this means saturn will be sitting in sign of Aries in D9 so this theory of yours fails.

So if I want Saturn to be deeply exalted it obviously stays weak sign within the D9 chart, this doesn't mean the planet itself is weak, why because the exaltation and debilitation applies only to rasi chart because as you go high up the ladder of divisions you are reaching the spiritual plane and it won't have anything to do with your material pursuits.

Let me give you an example, this is the chart of Lady Thatcher ( http://i.imgur.com/QGPkEzx.png ) who was the Prime Minister of Great Britain. Two striking aspects of her D1 chart is - Saturn in deep exaltation as well as a powerful Bhaskara Yoga. As you can notice, Saturn and Venus are poorly placed in the divisions and yet she became PM in her Saturn antar dasa (vimshottari). I am pretty sure Sasa Yoga played a major role in her successful leadership - firstly because her age was in sync with Sasa Yoga, Saturn normally rewards those who are of age and she was mature enough to be a PM. Secondly, the deep exaltation degree of Saturn played its part.

I use a different method to read the divisional charts. I take the karakas of a divsional chart in order to come to a definite conclusion.

Rules:

1. Vargottama positions, The influence of a bhava is increased if a planets falls in the same sign as in D1

2. Bhavottama - if planets match the bhavas of D1

3. Using planets as the center: If for instance, Venus falls into 5th house in D1 Pisces, we calculate the strength of Venus in a particular division using venus as the 1st planet. Suppose in D10, Venus is in Gemini we can establish a relation between D10 and D1 by counting the bhavas, in this case venus in D1 falls into 10th house from D10 venus.

4. Primary ruler-ship or karakatwa: Divisions are lorded by primary significators, D4 is belongs to Moon, Mercury and Jupiter, D10 belongs to Saturn, Sun and Mercury. D2 is seen from Moon and Venus, D9 is seen from Venus, Sun and Jupiter. So its important consider these planets as the centre as well.

5. D1 cycles: You have to count the number of cycles each planet has taken. For example: Saturn completes one cycle every 30 years. So each cycle strengthens the bhavas in the divisions. Planets that are in vargottama are strengthened even further during each cycle. In case of Thatcher, the second cycle of Saturn proved to be more beneficial.


So this is how I actually look at the planets.

Best

[anuradha]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

This theory doesn't really work in practice. Let's take the exaltation of Saturn for instance, the deep exaltation point is at 20 degrees in Libra - this means saturn will be sitting in sign of Aries in D9 so this theory of yours fails.

Saturn in deep exaltation[upto 20 degrees] will be in Pisces navmansha not in Aries. Saturn in this case has passed the deep exaltation point but with Vargottam 9L[Mercury] in Lagna and again aspected by Mercury in D-9 at 1-7 axis. Debilitated Venus in 6H is rajyogakarka as per the B.P.H.S exceptions.

[elipsis]

Saturn gets exalted in Vishaka Nakshatra, 1st pada (mars).

[anuradha]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

Saturn gets exalted in Vishaka Nakshatra, 1st pada (mars).

I do not know this. regards

[elipsis]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

This theory doesn't really work in practice. Let's take the exaltation of Saturn for instance, the deep exaltation point is at 20 degrees in Libra - this means saturn will be sitting in sign of Aries in D9 so this theory of yours fails.

I do not know this. regards

Nice, Lesson 6: http://www.astrojyoti.com/lesson6.htm

[anuradha]

Pl check in any basic level book of astrology.

[elipsis]

That link was basic level. Saturn does attain strength at 20 degrees in the star of vishaka. But you can take Swati or whatever fits your prediction I was merely explaining why debilitation in the divisional charts doesn't hold any significance.

[anuradha]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

That link was basic level. Saturn does attain strength at 20 degrees in the star of vishaka. But you can take Swati or whatever fits your prediction I was merely explaining why debilitation in the divisional charts doesn't hold any significance.

I have not written any thing of my own . The deep exaltation is up to 20 degrees in Libra in Swati[ 4th charan]. Saturn can never become the the sign of debilitation in D-9, when in deep exaltation .

[elipsis]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

That link was basic level. Saturn does attain strength at 20 degrees in the star of vishaka. But you can take Swati or whatever fits your prediction I was merely explaining why debilitation in the divisional charts doesn't hold any significance.

I have not written any thing of my own . The deep exaltation is up to 20 degrees in Libra in Swati[ 4th charan]. Saturn can never become the the sign of debilitation in D-9, when in deep exaltation .

That's because you are reading the divisional chart like you read the D1 chart. Divisional charts are a subset of D1 chart, reading them just like you read D1 will be like shoving multiple personalities into the cranial cavity.

[anuradha]

Saturn gets exalted in Vishaka Nakshatra, 1st pada (mars).

That's because you are reading the divisional chart like you read the D1 chart. Divisional charts are a subset of D1 chart, reading them just like you read D1 will be like shoving multiple personalities into the cranial cavity.

Please check in which nakshtra the Saturn is exalted then go further. The exaltation point is 20 degree Libra in Sawati-4th Charan. So it should be in Pisces[6th ] navmansha.

[elipsis]

You made me read parasara again, thanks

20 Degrees is vishaka, 1st pada.

[howzat]

what this Elipsis is correct no? point is what i will tell - deep exaltation degree is 20 degree libra. correct no? now which Nakshatra that is? Vishaka 1pada. main word is what? elipsis is telling deep exaltation point = 20 degree = vishaka 1 pada - so navamsha is Aries - Mars Navamsa Rasi. word is AT 20 degree. rest before 20 degree anuradha is correct. what for one word see how much confucious. now problem is solved no. ok bye.

[anuradha]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

You made me read parasara again, thanks

20 Degrees is vishaka, 1st pada.

Vishaka is after 20 degrees Libra.

[elipsis]

We were both confucius in our previous lives. anyway, I'm going back to read some more. peace out

[howzat]

arre anuradha ji - deep exaltation point is AT - @ 20 degree - navamsha is aries. you put and see please.

[elipsis]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by elipsis » 090613

You made me read parasara again, thanks

20 Degrees is vishaka, 1st pada.

Vishaka is after 20 degrees Libra.

I have one nerve left and you are getting on it.

Final attempt: http://i.imgur.com/iEAp65j.png

[anuradha]

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Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by howzat » 090613

arre anuradha ji - deep exaltation point is AT - @ 20 degree - navamsha is aries. you put and see please.
Just a dream - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RamMC5q8nA[/quote]
Please correct you basics and understand the concept.

[anuradha]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by howzat » 090613

arre anuradha ji - deep exaltation point is AT - @ 20 degree - navamsha is aries. you put and see please.
Just a dream - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RamMC5q8nA

Please correct you basics and understand the concept.

[anuradha]

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by howzat » 090613

arre anuradha ji - deep exaltation point is AT - @ 20 degree - navamsha is aries. you put and see please.

Please count from libra, 20 degrees have [ 3.20 degree constitute one navamsha, 3.20 multiplied by 6 = 20 degree]. Now count from Libra, Libra[1st navmansha], Scorpio[2nd Navmansha], Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces[6th Navmansha]. When it is 20 degree plus only then it will be 7th navmansha but Saturn is exalted in Swati 4th charan[20degree]

[howzat]

by anuradha » 09 Jun 2013 18:33

Re: A New Way of Looking at Planets
by howzat » 090613

arre anuradha ji - deep exaltation point is AT - @ 20 degree - navamsha is aries. you put and see please.
Just a dream - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RamMC5q8nA

Please correct you basics and understand the concept.

ok ji you only told no

by anuradha » 09 Jun 2013 18:04
Please check in which nakshtra the Saturn is exalted then go further. The exaltation point is 20 degree Libra in Sawati-4th Charan. So it should be in Pisces[6th ] navmansha.

At 20 degree please you put and see which Navamsha Shani is getting please. AT 20 degree he is getting Aries Navamsha. you only are telling exaltation point is 20 degree - then how pisces navamsha is coming? please tell? if want to see means you put J hora november 5 2013 / 12:00 PM / mumbai and see where shani is sitting in navamsha. see shani degree - it is 20.00 degree. thank you.

[anuradha]

Saturn is 20-02 degree on 5th Nonember 2013, 12-00, Mumbai. Aaaree its basic do it manually.