Does leo and cancer ascendant have early marriage?

[vivek32]

the 7th house of leo and cancer leo ascendant ruled by saturn.these ascendants prone to have late marriage.however i don't think that every people of two ascendant will have late marriage?. is there have planetary alignment that show indication early marriage

[moksha line]

Yes, even I have the same doubt.. In leo, both 6th and 7th are ruled by saturn and in cancer both 7th and 8th are ruled by saturn. So, how will it affect if saturn is in 6th or 8th in its own house for these 2 ascendants?

[explorings]

It really depends on a lot of factors and not just because saturn is 7L. Benefic aspect on 7H, favorable placement of 7L, no afflictions to 7H/7L/Venus, strong Venus, and to some extent even retro saturn with jupiter aspect can result in early marriage.

Besides for a marriage to materialize, dasha and transit should also support the same.

[moksha line]

It really depends on a lot of factors and not just because saturn is 7L. Benefic aspect on 7H, favorable placement of 7L, no afflictions to 7H/7L/Venus, strong Venus, and to some extent even retro saturn with jupiter aspect can result in early marriage.

Besides for a marriage to materialize, dasha and transit should also support the same.

How is saturn in capricorn for Leo ascendants? 7th lord in 6th but own house.. also if it gets an aspect from jupiter?

[elipsis]

For Leo debilitated saturn in the 9th does really well and it can show early marriage or progress in career. In other houses there will be delays and struggle.

[moksha line]

For Leo debilitated saturn in the 9th does really well and it can show early marriage or progress in career. In other houses there will be delays and struggle.

Even in its own house, it does not do well?

Ur statement does not make sense.. If there is no contact between sun and saturn, then i cant think why else saturn needs to be powerless

[elipsis]

The chart has to be analysed thoroughly, Saturn attains digbala in the 7th but his malefic aspect to ascendant is not considered good. Saturn's malefic aspect on Leo is extremely dangerous and requires some remedies before marriage. What I've come across in general is that if Saturn is weak for Leo ascendant he becomes extreme benefic and does well in the mahadasa, where as his exaltation in the 3rd tends to give lot of trouble. Saturn also rules the 6th - which means there will be delays in promotions and slow progress in career because 6th is the 9th from the 10th house.

[moksha line]

I did mention if there was no contact between sun and saturn for leo. yes, saturn rules the sixth also.. If exalted, it is not good for leo. But, in own house it should do better. what you said about the 6th house(6th is 9th from 10th) that sixth is capricorn and my original question was "what if saturn was in 6th in capricorn" it is in its own house and how would that affect the 7th since 6th is 12th to the 7th. What is your opinion on this ? consider sun is well placed without any contact with saturn whatsoever.

Of course i know we need to know entire chart, but consider this as a snippet and arrive at possibilities

[elipsis]

You are not getting it, the ownership of the 6th and 7th house of Saturn is malefic so even if saturn resides in his own house its going be be bad in general, the chart has to be studied deeply from that point to check if there are any mitigating factors. You try applying bhavat bhavam principle on leo ascendant you arrive at a very sticky end - like 7th from the 7th - Leo, 6th from the 6th is gemini, so saturn puts a stopper on your desires, he restricts your movement and crushes your ego. Why because saturn is the primary delay karaka, he rules the market place of ordinary people (jobs/shops) which is quite opposite to the royal bearings of Sun, so your fortunes from the career gets delayed, marriage is also your is one of your prime duties so 10th from the 10th is also delayed. We don't want saturn to be strong, we want him to be weak for Leo.

[moksha line]

ok i am getting to the point. now lets see it in a different view. we always have to blend in the results that we get from the rasi lagna and also the moon lagna.. so, that means we have to look at the rulership of saturn from the moon lagna also .. more so if more energy is concentrated in the moon rashi than in the lagna.. now, if saturn becomes a yogakaraka for moon lagna, then the game changes.. I am taking into account, leo ascendant here.. what is your say on this?

[elipsis]

ok, let me tell you where Moon Lagna applies and why it is wrong to apply it everywhere. Moon represents your mind, so if you are using Moon as the ascendant it can show you how changes in your life affect you personally or psychologically. It does not represent physical changes but only psychological changes. It can mean mental progression and changes in the attitude, like you may have bad opinions on some politicians but overtime you change your opinion in favor of them- these are the changes represented by the Moon. You often come across daily or weekly rasi predictions by some astrologers, let me tell you this - they never come true because Moon only represents your inner psyche and not materialistic achievements. How to judge if you get a promotion you will be happy or not? the answer is by taking moon lagna and counting the 4th house from it. Again in this case - the waxing moon means better results overtime and waning means you become gloomy about your surroundings when you hit your middle age.

[moksha line]

yes, waning moon is malefic. We want a moon that is bright which is almost fully waxed. Well, I need to make one thing clear. I am not disregarding the main lagna which comes first.

I am talking about blending results here.

Yogas formed in Lagna should also be strong or other similar strong yogas should be present in moon lagna backing up the main lagna.

I was trying to blend the effects of saturn if a leo or a cancer native has a taurus/libra waxing moon. But u went on to explain about general predictions..

Regards

[moksha line]

ok, let me tell you where Moon Lagna applies and why it is wrong to apply it everywhere. Moon represents your mind, so if you are using Moon as the ascendant it can show you how changes in your life affect you personally or psychologically. It does not represent physical changes but only psychological changes. You often come across daily or weekly rasi predictions by some astrologers, let me tell you this - they never come true because Moon only represents your inner psyche and not materialistic achievements.

These rasi predictions is based on the transits according to the moon sign which vary in positions as each day passes.

When I am referring to moon lagna, you should not confuse yourself with daily rasi predictions. instead, the lagna should be shifted to the house where the moon sits in.

And when you see the things from the moon lagna POV, you again get an actual picture of the horoscope which will be similar to the actual lagna. Not just the changes in your life that affect you personally or psychologically.

I suggest you refer the book "How to judge a horoscope" by B V Raman to know more about the importance of Moon Lagna..

Better yet, watch Mr Vaughn Paul's interview on KRS channel on Alternate Lagnas.. You know, most of the times if the accurate birth time is not known, ancient astrologers used moon lagna to arrive at accurate results to an extent.

Regards,
Moksha Line

ok, let me tell you where Moon Lagna applies and why it is wrong to apply it everywhere. Moon represents your mind, so if you are using Moon as the ascendant it can show you how changes in your life affect you personally or psychologically. It does not represent physical changes but only psychological changes. It can mean mental progression and changes in the attitude, like you may have bad opinions on some politicians but overtime you change your opinion in favor of them- these are the changes represented by the Moon. You often come across daily or weekly rasi predictions by some astrologers, let me tell you this - they never come true because Moon only represents your inner psyche and not materialistic achievements. How to judge if you get a promotion you will be happy or not? the answer is by taking moon lagna and counting the 4th house from it. Again in this case - the waxing moon means better results overtime and waning means you become gloomy about your surroundings when you hit your middle age.

[explorings]

For Leo debilitated saturn in the 9th does really well and it can show early marriage or progress in career. In other houses there will be delays and struggle.

7L, Saturn debilitated and placed adversely in inimical sign of Mars. NKs in Aries are Ashwini (lord Ketu), Bharani (lord Venus), and Krittika (Lord Sun). So except for Bharani, NK wise also Saturn's position is further weakened as neither Ketu nor Sun are friendly to Saturn.

If Venus is afflicted in this chart, marriage may be severely delayed or denied.

[explorings]

It really depends on a lot of factors and not just because saturn is 7L. Benefic aspect on 7H, favorable placement of 7L, no afflictions to 7H/7L/Venus, strong Venus, and to some extent even retro saturn with jupiter aspect can result in early marriage.

Besides for a marriage to materialize, dasha and transit should also support the same.

How is saturn in capricorn for Leo ascendants? 7th lord in 6th but own house.. also if it gets an aspect from jupiter?

Moksha:

It is difficult to give analysis just based on this information. Where are they posited in Navamsa? Is the native male or female? What is Venus' situation?

7L in 6H getting aspects from exalted 5L/8L, Jupiter can go either way... hence we need to analyze the entire chart. If the native is female concepts of Stree Jataka also applies.

[jolli]

male 23 july 75 new delhi 7 35 am....
can you predict marriage timing. the details are mine... and i am married for quite some time...although i may have given my marriage date elsewhere in LOVA, but suggest you try to arrive at a range of dates.
probably it will help taking above discussion forward

[elipsis]

These rasi predictions is based on the transits according to the moon sign which vary in positions as each day passes.

When I am referring to moon lagna, you should not confuse yourself with daily rasi predictions. instead, the lagna should be shifted to the house where the moon sits in.

And when you see the things from the moon lagna POV, you again get an actual picture of the horoscope which will be similar to the actual lagna. Not just the changes in your life that affect you personally or psychologically.

I suggest you refer the book "How to judge a horoscope" by B V Raman to know more about the importance of Moon Lagna..

Better yet, watch Mr Vaughn Paul's interview on KRS channel on Alternate Lagnas.. You know, most of the times if the accurate birth time is not known, ancient astrologers used moon lagna to arrive at accurate results to an extent.

Regards,
Moksha Line

Well thank you, I use more reliable methods taught by teacher. Moon sign does not indicate materialism, its the basic principle of astrology. You won't go very far if you apply materialism using Sun and Moon lagna. The lagna of moon is more of a reactionary than a functioning planet working towards your goals. Moon sign applies everyone born on a particular day and it can give you a more generalised prediction where you can judge the general psyche of the people based on the 27 lunar mansions, each star carries a fantastic mythology with its own strengths and pitfalls.

[moksha line]

For Leo debilitated saturn in the 9th does really well and it can show early marriage or progress in career. In other houses there will be delays and struggle.

7L, Saturn debilitated and placed adversely in inimical sign of Mars. NKs in Aries are Ashwini (lord Ketu), Bharani (lord Venus), and Krittika (Lord Sun). So except for Bharani, NK wise also Saturn's position is further weakened as neither Ketu nor Sun are friendly to Saturn.

If Venus is afflicted in this chart, marriage may be severely delayed or denied.

Hi explorings,
if saturn was in 9th debilitated in venus's nak, will there be early marriage like elipsis said? and also is it good to have the 7th and 6th lord weak?

Regards

[moksha line]

It really depends on a lot of factors and not just because saturn is 7L. Benefic aspect on 7H, favorable placement of 7L, no afflictions to 7H/7L/Venus, strong Venus, and to some extent even retro saturn with jupiter aspect can result in early marriage.

Besides for a marriage to materialize, dasha and transit should also support the same.

How is saturn in capricorn for Leo ascendants? 7th lord in 6th but own house.. also if it gets an aspect from jupiter?

Moksha:

It is difficult to give analysis just based on this information. Where are they posited in Navamsa? Is the native male or female? What is Venus' situation?

7L in 6H getting aspects from exalted 5L/8L, Jupiter can go either way... hence we need to analyze the entire chart. If the native is female concepts of Stree Jataka also applies.

Explorings,
venus in 5th .. jupiter in sagitarius and sat in capri again in navamsa.. libra lagna in navamsa for that native

[abhishek]

For Leo debilitated saturn in the 9th does really well and it can show early marriage or progress in career. In other houses there will be delays and struggle.

Dear elipsis,

What if debilitated saturn is in conjunction with exalted sun, jupiter and rahu for Leo ascendant. I would love to hear your thoughts on it.

Regards,

[elipsis]

Well, Jupiter and Sun overpowering Saturn is much better (for leo) so I would say its a good conjunction. As for Rahu in the 9th I would have to check the chart because Rahu in the 9th can't always be good. For example: rahu in the signs of Saturn and Venus does well in trish and trine houses but for other ascendants it may not be completely good; travels end in tragedy, you will have communication gap with your seniors at work place and there will be plenty of issues with regard to family and inheritance.

best

[moksha line]

Well, Jupiter and Sun overpowering Saturn is much better (for leo) so I would say its a good conjunction. As for Rahu in the 9th I would have to check the chart because Rahu in the 9th can't always be good. For example: rahu in the signs of Saturn and Venus does well in trish and trine houses but for other ascendants it may not be completely good; travels end in tragedy, you will have communication gap with your seniors at work place and there will be plenty of issues with regard to family and inheritance.

best

Does rahu do better in upachaya houses like 3,6 and 11 than in trines and kendras? Also why does it do well in signs of saturn and venus?

[elipsis]

Yes, 3, 6 and 11 are the best placements for Rahu in the signs of Saturn or Venus. Because Rahu is the co-ruler of Aquarius and according to Parasara he gets exalted in Taurus. The trish houses do not immediately give good results, 6th and 11th doesn't bring you gains immediately, they push you through stages of self-improvement where you learn to recognise what you need to focus on, so rahu being extreme malefic will have the strength to resist the shocks and challenges related to these houses. Rahu creates illusions so the native doesn't recognise good or bad things so people can't know whether bad things are happening to them, but eventually it gets better because trish flourishes post 40 years of age. Also in trinal houses Rahu does well for some ascendants, one of my friends has Rahu in the 9th (gem asc) and she didn't even know she was running Rahu dasa all her life, she got married to a relative of a central minister and seems quite happy now but the fact is Rahu didn't harm her one bit, no breaks in education, her parents are industrialists, good relatives and so on.

[moksha line]

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Regards

[moksha line]

Yes, 3, 6 and 11 are the best placements for Rahu in the signs of Saturn or Venus. Because Rahu is the co-ruler of Aquarius and according to Parasara he gets exalted in Taurus. The trish houses do not immediately give good results, 6th and 11th doesn't bring you gains immediately, they push you through stages of self-improvement where you learn to recognise what you need to focus on, so rahu being extreme malefic will have the strength to resist the shocks and challenges related to these houses. Rahu creates illusions so the native doesn't recognise good or bad things so people can't know whether bad things are happening to them, but eventually it gets better because trish flourishes post 40 years of age. Also in trinal houses Rahu does well for some ascendants, one of my friends has Rahu in the 9th (gem asc) and she didn't even know she was running Rahu dasa all her life, she got married to a relative of a central minister and seems quite happy now but the fact is Rahu didn't harm her one bit, no breaks in education, her parents are industrialists, good relatives and so on.

Elipsis,

I have a question..

See, we experience various Antar dasha's during the maha dasha.. Now, one of these antar dasha planets will be the next Maha dasha planet.. Suppose this planet is jupiter and jupiter's antar dasha is very bad. Then, when jupiter MD comes, can we conclude that it will be bad too?