Rajeshwari ji,
Saptamsa is to be treated like Navamsa or any other division. You can say Navamsa (or Saptamsa) is like many electric bulbs located at different cabins in an Office. The Office is the Rashi chart of the Zodiac, personal cabins are the houses and bulbs (navamsas) exist within each cabin. I can zoom into the bulbs to see finer workings of the Office (Rashi chart) lighting yet I will not find another personal cabin (house) inside any bulb. The finer workings/results of the bulb (would it work or fuse, how much and what area would it illuminate, what color and light intensity etc) must be read with respect to the cabin/Office as they are not independent of the Office and illuminate the cabins/office only.
When a person is passing below a highly illuminated bulb (planet transiting a section of the sky where its Vargottam or in same sign in several vargas) the person will look better i.e. more visible results. Passing below a weak/fused bulb, not so much evident. Can it be that a person passing below a bulb in Cabin 4 (4th house) is also in Cabin 9 (9th house) in the bulb map of the office (so called Navamsa "chart")? Are there cabins in the bulb map (i.e. Navamsa) to begin with or are cabins only in the Office? Is the bulb map of the office independent of the Office map?
The counting method in Vargas such as Navamsa is used to see how many Navamsas (not houses) a planet has moved. This method is used to fine tune various results such as determining number of issues after looking at the obvious indications in Rashi. Such methods are applicable to others amsas too such as Saptamsa.
For the sex of the child there are different methods and they don't talk about houses, aspects in divisions.
Rathore
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Hello Rathore Sir,
I very much appreciate your crystal clear analysis and feedback.
I, for one was trying to dabble with the bhavas,yogas in vargas and got stuck in the rut.
I wholeheartedly agree and understand your stance and have come to terms that Rasi Chart is an Imprinnt of our Destiny which is preordained.
I would like to share a few excerpts penned by others regarding the Use of Varga Charts...
1.An Unknown Writer
Ques. How much importance can be imparted to Shodashvarga ?
Ans. Shodashvarga system was propounded by our sages in such a manner that exact position of the planets could be ascertained without assigning any degree value to it. Secondly, these Vargas have not been made like we make today. Then we only assigned lordship and lordship signified the results of that planet. These vargas should not be taken at par with Lagna chart and should not be used in predictions like supplement to lagna chart, unless some yoga specifies the results of a planet in a particular varga. In practice, these vargas confuse a general astrologer. He starts taking the planet's exaltation or debilitation. He also starts taking aspects and placement of other planets with the planet, thus deviating from the basic results.
2.By Vinay Jha
Hora is the only shadasha varga (divisional) whose deities, namely Sun and Moon, are used by astrologers. But this benefit is more than negated by the reluctance to use 12-bhaava D2 (Hora) chart. Parashara Rishi explicitly wrote in Varga-vivechana chapter's last portion of BPHS (Brihat parashara Horaa Shaastra) that all vargas should have 12 houses and analyzed like D1, the main birth chart. There are some astrologers who do not recognize the existence of charts in divisionals, in spite of innumerable references in BPHS.
The urge to serve maximum number of clients and earn as much money as possible is the real cause behind over simplification of Vedic Astrology. This is happening for centuries and no single person can be blamed for it. But with the use of computers, it is high time to rejuvenate detailed methods of rishis.
3.Our Very Own Respected Member Vi-di-cara has a say...
Objection: “There are many ancient Vedic scriptures defining Vedic Astrology as we practice it today. For example, the Brihat Parashara Hora Sastra.”
Reply: There are certainly many excellent books which define the rules and principles by which modern Vedic Astrology operates. However these were all written in relatively recent history, and the overwhelming majority of their content has exceedingly little in common with the astrology defined in the Veda itself.
The fact is: the books that are the basis for modern astrology in India did not exist before about a thousand years ago. Yes, that is very old, but it falls very short of being “ancient” or “Vedic.” The Brhat Parashara Hora Shastra in particular did not exist before the 19th century
For more go to the link http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_vedic3_e.htm
4.Last but not the least,Madam Vendy Vacicek has a take...
The Use of Divisionals
There is a lot of confusion today about the proper use of divisional charts (Vargas).
This confusion arises, in my opinion, due to the misconception that Vargas, like Rashi, are actual (physical) stand-alone charts. This notion, I believe, is completely false!
Certainly the sages tell us that the Vargas should be read in the same manner as Rashi. This is true in principle but so misunderstood in application.
Janma Kundali (Rashi or Natal Chart)
As we know, the birth chart (Janma Kundali) is a snapshot of the physical planets (navagrahas) at the moment of our birth. This is a profound act of creation, reflected in the birth chart itself. Both the physical attributes and the divine recreation of the grahas are present in Rashi.
Due to the physical nature of the grahas they cast their aspect on specific bhavas/grahas (as per Parasari principles). They also have lordship over certain houses and so forth. This is not the case with the divisional charts which, I believe, must be read in conjunction with natal chart...not as separate charts!
So what are the Vargas (Amsas)
Vargas are purely and simply divisions of the Rashis (Zodiac signs). They are not, nor were they ever intended to be, stand-alone charts with physical attributes similar to Rashi, There are no actual bhavas in these (so-called) charts. They simply represent certain divisions of natal chart, nothing more! To say that a planet owns a particular house in varga is an absolute furphy--erroneous concept!
She illustrates a few examples here..http://jyotishvidya.com/divisionals.htm
Regards,
Rajeshwari.
I very much appreciate your crystal clear analysis and feedback.
I, for one was trying to dabble with the bhavas,yogas in vargas and got stuck in the rut.
I wholeheartedly agree and understand your stance and have come to terms that Rasi Chart is an Imprinnt of our Destiny which is preordained.
I would like to share a few excerpts penned by others regarding the Use of Varga Charts...
1.An Unknown Writer
Ques. How much importance can be imparted to Shodashvarga ?
Ans. Shodashvarga system was propounded by our sages in such a manner that exact position of the planets could be ascertained without assigning any degree value to it. Secondly, these Vargas have not been made like we make today. Then we only assigned lordship and lordship signified the results of that planet. These vargas should not be taken at par with Lagna chart and should not be used in predictions like supplement to lagna chart, unless some yoga specifies the results of a planet in a particular varga. In practice, these vargas confuse a general astrologer. He starts taking the planet's exaltation or debilitation. He also starts taking aspects and placement of other planets with the planet, thus deviating from the basic results.
2.By Vinay Jha
Hora is the only shadasha varga (divisional) whose deities, namely Sun and Moon, are used by astrologers. But this benefit is more than negated by the reluctance to use 12-bhaava D2 (Hora) chart. Parashara Rishi explicitly wrote in Varga-vivechana chapter's last portion of BPHS (Brihat parashara Horaa Shaastra) that all vargas should have 12 houses and analyzed like D1, the main birth chart. There are some astrologers who do not recognize the existence of charts in divisionals, in spite of innumerable references in BPHS.
The urge to serve maximum number of clients and earn as much money as possible is the real cause behind over simplification of Vedic Astrology. This is happening for centuries and no single person can be blamed for it. But with the use of computers, it is high time to rejuvenate detailed methods of rishis.
3.Our Very Own Respected Member Vi-di-cara has a say...
Objection: “There are many ancient Vedic scriptures defining Vedic Astrology as we practice it today. For example, the Brihat Parashara Hora Sastra.”
Reply: There are certainly many excellent books which define the rules and principles by which modern Vedic Astrology operates. However these were all written in relatively recent history, and the overwhelming majority of their content has exceedingly little in common with the astrology defined in the Veda itself.
The fact is: the books that are the basis for modern astrology in India did not exist before about a thousand years ago. Yes, that is very old, but it falls very short of being “ancient” or “Vedic.” The Brhat Parashara Hora Shastra in particular did not exist before the 19th century
For more go to the link http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_vedic3_e.htm
4.Last but not the least,Madam Vendy Vacicek has a take...
The Use of Divisionals
There is a lot of confusion today about the proper use of divisional charts (Vargas).
This confusion arises, in my opinion, due to the misconception that Vargas, like Rashi, are actual (physical) stand-alone charts. This notion, I believe, is completely false!
Certainly the sages tell us that the Vargas should be read in the same manner as Rashi. This is true in principle but so misunderstood in application.
Janma Kundali (Rashi or Natal Chart)
As we know, the birth chart (Janma Kundali) is a snapshot of the physical planets (navagrahas) at the moment of our birth. This is a profound act of creation, reflected in the birth chart itself. Both the physical attributes and the divine recreation of the grahas are present in Rashi.
Due to the physical nature of the grahas they cast their aspect on specific bhavas/grahas (as per Parasari principles). They also have lordship over certain houses and so forth. This is not the case with the divisional charts which, I believe, must be read in conjunction with natal chart...not as separate charts!
So what are the Vargas (Amsas)
Vargas are purely and simply divisions of the Rashis (Zodiac signs). They are not, nor were they ever intended to be, stand-alone charts with physical attributes similar to Rashi, There are no actual bhavas in these (so-called) charts. They simply represent certain divisions of natal chart, nothing more! To say that a planet owns a particular house in varga is an absolute furphy--erroneous concept!
She illustrates a few examples here..http://jyotishvidya.com/divisionals.htm
Regards,
Rajeshwari.
Rajeshwari ji,
Thank you for collecting and sharing thoughts of various authors on this topic. These will be helpful to people in search of knowledge of Vargas.
Indeed Hindu Astrology has been subject to changes over centuries. A chunk of the knowledge is lost because of foreign invasions, or in secret possession of some families or lying unattended in some temples. It is being said the current version of BPHS has been modified and so its authenticity questioned. Please see http://shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/re ... /bphs.html for details. So Vinay Jha talking about aspects in divisionals citing BPHS is not reliable in my opinion.
I guess these are the ways of Kaliyug, controlled demolition of actual knowledge as we the people become more and more ignorant. With passing decades it will be more evident and only a handful will remain in touch with real knowledge.
I commented on your post about Love marriage. 1st page of this thread.
Rathore
Thank you for collecting and sharing thoughts of various authors on this topic. These will be helpful to people in search of knowledge of Vargas.
Indeed Hindu Astrology has been subject to changes over centuries. A chunk of the knowledge is lost because of foreign invasions, or in secret possession of some families or lying unattended in some temples. It is being said the current version of BPHS has been modified and so its authenticity questioned. Please see http://shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/re ... /bphs.html for details. So Vinay Jha talking about aspects in divisionals citing BPHS is not reliable in my opinion.
I guess these are the ways of Kaliyug, controlled demolition of actual knowledge as we the people become more and more ignorant. With passing decades it will be more evident and only a handful will remain in touch with real knowledge.
I commented on your post about Love marriage. 1st page of this thread.
Rathore
Rathoreji,
I was trying to explain how it is in reality. If we take earth as a fixed point, we being observers then everything else becomes dynamic.
It seems that there are different point of views on houses on Divisions. K.N. Rao and others whose books I am reading are respected in the field of astrology. I wouldn't unlearn whatever I have learnt till now. Everybody is free to accept and follow what suits them the best. After all giving correct predictions is all that matters.
Thanks for your effort for giving a different perspective though.
Regards
I was trying to explain how it is in reality. If we take earth as a fixed point, we being observers then everything else becomes dynamic.
It seems that there are different point of views on houses on Divisions. K.N. Rao and others whose books I am reading are respected in the field of astrology. I wouldn't unlearn whatever I have learnt till now. Everybody is free to accept and follow what suits them the best. After all giving correct predictions is all that matters.
Thanks for your effort for giving a different perspective though.
Regards
“Everything you can imagine is real.”
― Pablo Picasso
― Pablo Picasso
Dear Rathore Sir,
I was wodering how then do the novices,amateurs and learners who dwell into this So called 'Vedic Astrology' Feild without even understanding the roots of the term ' VEDIC' go about it?
Is it left to their own discretion to make the right choice or use of Correct methods while making predictions instead of heavily relying on the blind customs and practices so called Gimmiks?
Here is another Beautiful Article...that is a Must Read!Which does throw some light on the above mentioned plight.I seriously didnt know what to make of it...I was rather gobsmacked... :shock:
A small Gist with the link...
Here I presume VaughnPaul asks KN Rao
Vedic astrology! Eh? Nothing Vedic about it--K N Rao
FOLLOW THE LINK http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedi ... n-rao.html
(Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term"Vedic astrology." He said, "It is all right in USA. Do as you havebeen doing." - - Vaughn Paul Manley)
post No. 11734 dt. July 19, 2008, "K. P. Naidu"
The term Vedic Astrology is often used torefer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before asfar as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology asVedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly?
KNR: That is a good question.
Technically, Jyotish should not becalled Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedasare the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21].But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as theentire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature ofthe world is an offshoot of the Puranas. ..........[Lot of Matter in between].....So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology willcontinue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology ...
Comments Follow
1.<<<It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology
does not exist at all. Having said that, the term  " Vedicâ€Â
is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So
whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to
be the preferred name for Indian Astrology specially in the west.>>>
ans:" vedic " has become a fantasy for many, without bothering to
investigate what can be historically and technically called " vedic "
and what cannot.
those intersted may visit stephen knapp's website or rodney lingham's
website. They seem to be uncapable of even giving titles to their
articles without having the " v " word in it. Hindus should thank these
over-enthusiastic new-age Hindus for losing all sense of proportion
and making giving a new meaning to a term whcih formerly was of a
very specific meaning and context. forget about jyotish. forget even
about the tantrik dasa mahavidyas or the tamil village goddesses.
2.<And the objections are not new either, it is again the
same obsession of demanding references in samhita for it to be
" Vedic " .>
Ans:The main problem is that predictive gimmicks based on Mesha,
Vrisha etc. Rashis; Mangal, Shani etc. dreaded planets; Vimshotari, Yogini,
Ashtotari etc. etc. 36 Dasha-Bhuktis besides Hora, Dreshkan and even
Shashtyamsha etc. sub-divisions and Aapoklima, Kendra etc. Greek terms etc. are
being dubbed as Vedic astrology!. Since I have studied all the four Vedas besides
the .Vedangas, I can say it with certainty that there is not even the remotest
possibility of any such terms being present in any of the Vedas or the Vedangas
either in letter or in spirit!
In fact, prior to the Surya Sidhanta and Yavana Jatakam, we
do not find any references to any of these terms in any of the indigenous
astronomical works either like Rik Jyotisham or Yajur Jyotisham etc.. Even
Atharva-Jyotisha and Atharva-Veda Parishishta, which are most probably works of
a much later date
3.<it. " Vedic " astrology is beyond visibility for now, and
inconceivable until 1. Astrology is proven as a science and some
universal principles extracted from it; and 2. Veda is interpreted
completely and 3. The interpretation of veda proper agrees with claim
of astrology as a veda.>
Ans:There is no question of " interpretations of the Vedas " by " Vedic
astrologers " since if they had realy read the Vedas they would
certainly have discarded preditive gimmicks like plague! At least
ninety nine percent of " Vedic astrologers " cannot read even a single
Sanskrit Shloka correctly --- leave alone interpreting it!
Regards,
Rajeshwari
I was wodering how then do the novices,amateurs and learners who dwell into this So called 'Vedic Astrology' Feild without even understanding the roots of the term ' VEDIC' go about it?
Is it left to their own discretion to make the right choice or use of Correct methods while making predictions instead of heavily relying on the blind customs and practices so called Gimmiks?
Here is another Beautiful Article...that is a Must Read!Which does throw some light on the above mentioned plight.I seriously didnt know what to make of it...I was rather gobsmacked... :shock:
A small Gist with the link...
Here I presume VaughnPaul asks KN Rao
Vedic astrology! Eh? Nothing Vedic about it--K N Rao
FOLLOW THE LINK http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/vedi ... n-rao.html
(Note - I asked K.N. Rao if I should stop using the term"Vedic astrology." He said, "It is all right in USA. Do as you havebeen doing." - - Vaughn Paul Manley)
post No. 11734 dt. July 19, 2008, "K. P. Naidu"
The term Vedic Astrology is often used torefer to Jyotish. This term is more in usage now than ever before asfar as I can recall. Are we correct in calling Indian Astrology asVedic Astrology " in other words is Jyotish quoted in the Vedas directly?
KNR: That is a good question.
Technically, Jyotish should not becalled Vedic Astrology. For Yagnas[19] and Karmakanda[20] the Vedasare the authentic source. For the householders it is the Smritis[21].But both the Vedas and Smritis are in the Puranas[22]. Just as theentire Creation has emerged from Him, so too the entire literature ofthe world is an offshoot of the Puranas. ..........[Lot of Matter in between].....So whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology willcontinue to be the preferred name for Indian Astrology ...
Comments Follow
1.<<<It is either Indian astrology or Hindu astrology. Vedic astrology
does not exist at all. Having said that, the term  " Vedicâ€Â
is a great marketing tool especially in the new age movement. So
whether it is true or not, I suspect Vedic astrology will continue to
be the preferred name for Indian Astrology specially in the west.>>>
ans:" vedic " has become a fantasy for many, without bothering to
investigate what can be historically and technically called " vedic "
and what cannot.
those intersted may visit stephen knapp's website or rodney lingham's
website. They seem to be uncapable of even giving titles to their
articles without having the " v " word in it. Hindus should thank these
over-enthusiastic new-age Hindus for losing all sense of proportion
and making giving a new meaning to a term whcih formerly was of a
very specific meaning and context. forget about jyotish. forget even
about the tantrik dasa mahavidyas or the tamil village goddesses.
2.<And the objections are not new either, it is again the
same obsession of demanding references in samhita for it to be
" Vedic " .>
Ans:The main problem is that predictive gimmicks based on Mesha,
Vrisha etc. Rashis; Mangal, Shani etc. dreaded planets; Vimshotari, Yogini,
Ashtotari etc. etc. 36 Dasha-Bhuktis besides Hora, Dreshkan and even
Shashtyamsha etc. sub-divisions and Aapoklima, Kendra etc. Greek terms etc. are
being dubbed as Vedic astrology!. Since I have studied all the four Vedas besides
the .Vedangas, I can say it with certainty that there is not even the remotest
possibility of any such terms being present in any of the Vedas or the Vedangas
either in letter or in spirit!
In fact, prior to the Surya Sidhanta and Yavana Jatakam, we
do not find any references to any of these terms in any of the indigenous
astronomical works either like Rik Jyotisham or Yajur Jyotisham etc.. Even
Atharva-Jyotisha and Atharva-Veda Parishishta, which are most probably works of
a much later date
3.<it. " Vedic " astrology is beyond visibility for now, and
inconceivable until 1. Astrology is proven as a science and some
universal principles extracted from it; and 2. Veda is interpreted
completely and 3. The interpretation of veda proper agrees with claim
of astrology as a veda.>
Ans:There is no question of " interpretations of the Vedas " by " Vedic
astrologers " since if they had realy read the Vedas they would
certainly have discarded preditive gimmicks like plague! At least
ninety nine percent of " Vedic astrologers " cannot read even a single
Sanskrit Shloka correctly --- leave alone interpreting it!
Regards,
Rajeshwari
Dear Rajeshwari ji,
Indeed the term Vedic Astrology is a misnomer which is why I call it Hindu Astrology. Astrology
is believed to have originated before the Vedas were penned down. And it makes sense because people started tracking time (Seasons, days) using heavenly bodies only. Most of such knowledge was passed as an oral tradition.
So it is a research topic of whether Astrology was a part of oral Vedic traditions or not, it is complex with much varied opinions. Vedas talk about Nakshatras and auspicious timings. Most of us have not read the Vedas so depend on people who say they have. They have conflicting views. Some say Vedangas of Rig and Yajur Veda deal with Astronomical calculations only so there is no Phalit Jyotish. Others say Phalit Jyotish is mentioned in Vedanga Jyotisha attached to Atharva Veda.
This is why I suggest one should go through them and make a decision. Or if one believes in Phalit Jyotish to begin with one should at least go through classical texts before accepting others views such as aspects in Vargas (or lack thereof).
I am really not sure about KN Rao's opinions as it is hard to believe after reading classics he concluded Vargas be read like Rashi. I guess he mostly gives his predictions based on gifted powerful intuition. By treating Vargas as Rashi one can prove (and predict) just about anything/everything. In a recent thread I noticed (I can send you in PM) one senior member mistook the birth date and went on to prove the case point by point. It is a common theme here.
Shrey ji - Please post an independent thread so it gets more visibility.
Janaki ji - thank you.
Rathore
Indeed the term Vedic Astrology is a misnomer which is why I call it Hindu Astrology. Astrology
is believed to have originated before the Vedas were penned down. And it makes sense because people started tracking time (Seasons, days) using heavenly bodies only. Most of such knowledge was passed as an oral tradition.
So it is a research topic of whether Astrology was a part of oral Vedic traditions or not, it is complex with much varied opinions. Vedas talk about Nakshatras and auspicious timings. Most of us have not read the Vedas so depend on people who say they have. They have conflicting views. Some say Vedangas of Rig and Yajur Veda deal with Astronomical calculations only so there is no Phalit Jyotish. Others say Phalit Jyotish is mentioned in Vedanga Jyotisha attached to Atharva Veda.
This is why I suggest one should go through them and make a decision. Or if one believes in Phalit Jyotish to begin with one should at least go through classical texts before accepting others views such as aspects in Vargas (or lack thereof).
I am really not sure about KN Rao's opinions as it is hard to believe after reading classics he concluded Vargas be read like Rashi. I guess he mostly gives his predictions based on gifted powerful intuition. By treating Vargas as Rashi one can prove (and predict) just about anything/everything. In a recent thread I noticed (I can send you in PM) one senior member mistook the birth date and went on to prove the case point by point. It is a common theme here.
Shrey ji - Please post an independent thread so it gets more visibility.
Janaki ji - thank you.
Rathore
http://www.journalofastrology.com/artic ... cle_id=440I am really not sure about KN Rao's opinions as it is hard to believe after reading classics he concluded Vargas be read like Rashi. I guess he mostly gives his predictions based on gifted powerful intuition
POPE RESIGNS AND A PREDICTION OF 2005
KN RAO
28 February 2013, 12:33 PM
In an article in the Star Teller in May 2005 concluded thus: “The periods of Ketu-Moon and Ketu-Mercury (2011) may end his tenure. Ketu-Moon period may aggravate his health problems. This can be a period of invalidation, which can prove fatal. 2009 will be a critical period for him. (Written on 20 April 2005)
In the middle of February 2013, when the Ketu-Mercury period of over and began the mahadasha of Venus this announcement came and stunned many but not those who know astrology.
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
Anuradha ji, good to see you here 
It is my guess he has a good intuition (which every good Astrologer should possess) yet I wouldn't quote predictions that came out true as a proof of using concepts not mentioned in classical texts (if that is the point being made). And good intuition is used with knowledge of the subject which is what KN rao does in my opinion.
I am sure you are aware many of his predictions have also not come out true.
Came out True:
This include predictions about a big change in the central government in 1989,Sonia Gandhi's political rise after 1998, fall of Deve Gowda government in 1997, chances of US President Bill Clinton being involved in land or sex scandals, Gujarat earthquake in 2001 and untimely death of Benazir Bhutto.
Did not come out True:
There are no chances of a mid-term poll in 1999 or 2000 and the then parliament would last 5 years with more than one PM without elections,chances of a workable solution to Israel-Palestine conflict and emergence of a full-fledged Palestine state around 2002-03,a devastating attack by USA which will frighten the nations into silence and submission in 2004, chances of an Indo-Pak war between May and October 2002 which can escalate into a nuclear war and that there would be a nuclear war before 2007 in any case.
Rathore
It is my guess he has a good intuition (which every good Astrologer should possess) yet I wouldn't quote predictions that came out true as a proof of using concepts not mentioned in classical texts (if that is the point being made). And good intuition is used with knowledge of the subject which is what KN rao does in my opinion.
I am sure you are aware many of his predictions have also not come out true.
Came out True:
This include predictions about a big change in the central government in 1989,Sonia Gandhi's political rise after 1998, fall of Deve Gowda government in 1997, chances of US President Bill Clinton being involved in land or sex scandals, Gujarat earthquake in 2001 and untimely death of Benazir Bhutto.
Did not come out True:
There are no chances of a mid-term poll in 1999 or 2000 and the then parliament would last 5 years with more than one PM without elections,chances of a workable solution to Israel-Palestine conflict and emergence of a full-fledged Palestine state around 2002-03,a devastating attack by USA which will frighten the nations into silence and submission in 2004, chances of an Indo-Pak war between May and October 2002 which can escalate into a nuclear war and that there would be a nuclear war before 2007 in any case.
Rathore
Rathoreji, To understand his work you have to go through his books which clearly shows that he is the only astrologer who uses Jaimini Char Dasha along with Conditional Dashas to predict an event. He has taught those techniques to thousands of students of B.V.B, New Delhi He uses different divisional charts exceptionally well as per his observation and research e.g D-4 chart for property . He encourages the students of B.V.B to take new meaning of planetary combination and divisional charts as per present Desh-Kaal-Patra e.g malefic in 5H has given technical education. Though no classical text has specifically hinted for that. Please name one astrologer who can give hundred percent correct predictions.
According to Mr.Shanker Hegde, an astrologer from Bangalore" the negative factors related to the 5th house can be seen, now a days, in the horoscopes of software engineers related to child birth or some problems related to children as natural malefics influencing 5th house/lord like Mars, Saturn and Ketu make them engineers as far as education is concerned but their children suffer. Doctors simply advice them to take rest but astrology has a different answer. Of-course the other factors like condition of Jupiter, D-7, 5th from the 5th the 9th house should also be seen. Similarly,doctors suffer from the lack of happiness of mother or some times, many of them behave like partially insane as the famous theory of Sh. KNR "The drugged Moon" explains it.
Since the 5th house is the 8th house from the 10th house and the 10th house from 8th house, it is capable of revealing the sudden down fall as well as the sudden favours.
Many south Indian astrologers, mainly the Kerala astrologers ,call it as "Panchamaarishta" or evil of the 5th house if malefics occupy the 5th house Mainly if Sun is in the 5th they predict problems/down fall for the father. But according to my experience it is true to a good percentage,but the navamsha and the dwadashamsha must be analyzed carefully"
According to Mr.Shanker Hegde, an astrologer from Bangalore" the negative factors related to the 5th house can be seen, now a days, in the horoscopes of software engineers related to child birth or some problems related to children as natural malefics influencing 5th house/lord like Mars, Saturn and Ketu make them engineers as far as education is concerned but their children suffer. Doctors simply advice them to take rest but astrology has a different answer. Of-course the other factors like condition of Jupiter, D-7, 5th from the 5th the 9th house should also be seen. Similarly,doctors suffer from the lack of happiness of mother or some times, many of them behave like partially insane as the famous theory of Sh. KNR "The drugged Moon" explains it.
Since the 5th house is the 8th house from the 10th house and the 10th house from 8th house, it is capable of revealing the sudden down fall as well as the sudden favours.
Many south Indian astrologers, mainly the Kerala astrologers ,call it as "Panchamaarishta" or evil of the 5th house if malefics occupy the 5th house Mainly if Sun is in the 5th they predict problems/down fall for the father. But according to my experience it is true to a good percentage,but the navamsha and the dwadashamsha must be analyzed carefully"
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A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
Anuradha ji,
Yes he uses at least two Dashas to make a prediction. When using aspects, houses, yogas in divisions (just like Rashi chart) one can prove just about anything/everything for any native. This is why I feel he has good intuition going on for him besides his hold on the subject. I am mentioning some points below for other readers who may be starters.
Aspects : all texts talk about aspect calculation based on longitude. There are no longitudes in divisions so taking aspects is out of the question, otherwise classical texts would have mentioned it.
Houses: Classical texts define houses as 30 degree longitude. There are no longitudes in divisions, so how can there be houses in divisions, otherwise classical texts would have mentioned it.
Yogas: Yogas are based on aspects, lordships of houses. Now since both Aspects and Houses don't exist in divisions so neither do Yogas. I mentioned it before, how come there are no Kemdruma, Sunapa/anapha Yogas, fake Kaal Sarp in divisions?
There have been lot of inventions in Astrology in the last decade especially by SJC such as sookshma parivartan, new dashas, retrograde planets aspecting from another house (maybe a nadi concept), transits in divisions, ashtakavarga in divisions and many others. One can create a new concept and it will fit many charts because there are only 9 planets, 12 houses, 13 aspects without nodes (i.e. most of the houses will be in some aspect) so concepts are easily provable i.e. too many rules/concepts and too little players (planets, houses). Now expand these "too many rules" to all divisions, one can prove just about anything. Add Rahu/Ketu aspects and use Yogas now we have the theory of everything.
When the Sages have not given these rules, can I give them?
Rathore
Yes he uses at least two Dashas to make a prediction. When using aspects, houses, yogas in divisions (just like Rashi chart) one can prove just about anything/everything for any native. This is why I feel he has good intuition going on for him besides his hold on the subject. I am mentioning some points below for other readers who may be starters.
Aspects : all texts talk about aspect calculation based on longitude. There are no longitudes in divisions so taking aspects is out of the question, otherwise classical texts would have mentioned it.
Houses: Classical texts define houses as 30 degree longitude. There are no longitudes in divisions, so how can there be houses in divisions, otherwise classical texts would have mentioned it.
Yogas: Yogas are based on aspects, lordships of houses. Now since both Aspects and Houses don't exist in divisions so neither do Yogas. I mentioned it before, how come there are no Kemdruma, Sunapa/anapha Yogas, fake Kaal Sarp in divisions?
There have been lot of inventions in Astrology in the last decade especially by SJC such as sookshma parivartan, new dashas, retrograde planets aspecting from another house (maybe a nadi concept), transits in divisions, ashtakavarga in divisions and many others. One can create a new concept and it will fit many charts because there are only 9 planets, 12 houses, 13 aspects without nodes (i.e. most of the houses will be in some aspect) so concepts are easily provable i.e. too many rules/concepts and too little players (planets, houses). Now expand these "too many rules" to all divisions, one can prove just about anything. Add Rahu/Ketu aspects and use Yogas now we have the theory of everything.
When the Sages have not given these rules, can I give them?
Rathore
I suggest just read and reread his books to understand the subtle points of using the different dashas with transit. regsrdsRe: Nature of 5th and 7th House of Relationships
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Anuradha ji,
Yes he uses at least two Dashas to make a prediction. When using aspects, houses, yogas in divisions (just like Rashi chart) one can prove just about anything/everything for any native. This is why I feel he has good intuition going on for him besides his hold on the subject. I am mentioning some points below for other readers who may be starters
A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
“Reasoning with a drunkard is like
Going under water with a torch to seek for a drowning man.”
Good Morning Rathore Sir.
I am interested in 'Vedic astrology'.Is that mere thought Good enough for his/her progress?
So where does he/she start? The word Vedic is more than obvious to start with for the learners.
So tries to find its origin and evolution.
But Certain texts seems to have no basis to what is being preached!Many astrologers seem to have
their own approach which has a 50% chance to be correct.If the method of predictions does prove to be
correct,overtime A track record is created which deems that person fit to be Famous and everybody follows his path.That is fine for a learner like me...who is has no patience to understand how it really works,but is
interested only in a betting game and derives immense satisfaction out of his blind achievement I call it blind because there is nothing to support his claims but it is just his intuitutive powers and luck has favoredhim.Here I guess is everybody is encouraged and is free to adopt their own schools of thought as long as it is gives success with least effort.
But Another student dosent want to blindly follow his peers no matter how sure shot his masters predictions are as he/she considers them to be baseless.So he seeks for a Guru who though is not famous in his school of thought has a solid foundation of satras and vedas,where he has enough wisdom to understand, if God desires as a way to conceal, no astrologer is going to be in a position as a way to predict.That there many opposing influences in trying to comprehend the complex rules of vedas.He would always remember that, we often learn as much if not more through our apparent failures.Human experience is all about our responsibility to act or not act appropriately, and see what constitutes right view,right effort,right action, and right realization.And that makes all the difference.
Regards
Rajeshwari
Yes, I was more concerned about predictions of self-made astrologers.On Retrospection I have come to understand that if a person says-It is my guess he has a good intuition (which every good Astrologer should possess) yet I wouldn't quote predictions that came out true as a proof of using concepts not mentioned in classical texts (if that is the point being made). And good intuition is used with knowledge of the subject which is what KN rao does in my opinion.
I am interested in 'Vedic astrology'.Is that mere thought Good enough for his/her progress?
So where does he/she start? The word Vedic is more than obvious to start with for the learners.
So tries to find its origin and evolution.
But Certain texts seems to have no basis to what is being preached!Many astrologers seem to have
their own approach which has a 50% chance to be correct.If the method of predictions does prove to be
correct,overtime A track record is created which deems that person fit to be Famous and everybody follows his path.That is fine for a learner like me...who is has no patience to understand how it really works,but is
interested only in a betting game and derives immense satisfaction out of his blind achievement I call it blind because there is nothing to support his claims but it is just his intuitutive powers and luck has favoredhim.Here I guess is everybody is encouraged and is free to adopt their own schools of thought as long as it is gives success with least effort.
But Another student dosent want to blindly follow his peers no matter how sure shot his masters predictions are as he/she considers them to be baseless.So he seeks for a Guru who though is not famous in his school of thought has a solid foundation of satras and vedas,where he has enough wisdom to understand, if God desires as a way to conceal, no astrologer is going to be in a position as a way to predict.That there many opposing influences in trying to comprehend the complex rules of vedas.He would always remember that, we often learn as much if not more through our apparent failures.Human experience is all about our responsibility to act or not act appropriately, and see what constitutes right view,right effort,right action, and right realization.And that makes all the difference.
Regards
Rajeshwari
rathore wrote:Dear Rajeshwari ji,
Indeed the term Vedic Astrology is a misnomer which is why I call it Hindu Astrology. Astrology
is believed to have originated before the Vedas were penned down. And it makes sense because people started tracking time (Seasons, days) using heavenly bodies only. Most of such knowledge was passed as an oral tradition.
So it is a research topic of whether Astrology was a part of oral Vedic traditions or not, it is complex with much varied opinions. Vedas talk about Nakshatras and auspicious timings. Most of us have not read the Vedas so depend on people who say they have. They have conflicting views. Some say Vedangas of Rig and Yajur Veda deal with Astronomical calculations only so there is no Phalit Jyotish. Others say Phalit Jyotish is mentioned in Vedanga Jyotisha attached to Atharva Veda.
This is why I suggest one should go through them and make a decision. Or if one believes in Phalit Jyotish to begin with one should at least go through classical texts before accepting others views such as aspects in Vargas (or lack thereof).
I am really not sure about KN Rao's opinions as it is hard to believe after reading classics he concluded Vargas be read like Rashi. I guess he mostly gives his predictions based on gifted powerful intuition. By treating Vargas as Rashi one can prove (and predict) just about anything/everything. In a recent thread I noticed (I can send you in PM) one senior member mistook the birth date and went on to prove the case point by point. It is a common theme here.
Shrey ji - Please post an independent thread so it gets more visibility.
Janaki ji - thank you.
Rathore
Dear rathor ji,
Please tell some thing about following two horoscopes related to boy's future and marital life of both
Dob(girl) : 29-June -1984
Time:17:45
Place:Jhansi
Dob(boy): 3-July-1981
Time:5:15 am
Place :firozabad
As many astrologers are having different views regarding there marriage please help
Shrey (Newly Registered User)
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Anuradha ji - KN Rao is a very knowledgable Astrologer with a great intuition and his method of using multiple dashas is well thought of. I have heard he has a bunch of secrets which he alone uses. He will only reveal to a couple of deserving BVB students (maybe successors) and will not make them public (this can be rumor, but one won't be surprised if this is the case). I am also sure he have had some brilliant Astrological insights over decades of experience.
At the same time the secrets he may know or his great insights, can they over ride classical texts?
Hello Rajeshwari ji,
Very well written post. One should be very careful of online articles, videos even books my popular Astrologers. There is good stuff there and then there is self created techniques, so called new observations that prove (already occurred) events. Even if some of these observations may be brilliant (and working), essentially they are compounding of simpler rules from classical texts. If they are based on new invented rules then just like you said it may work 50% of the time because there are only two possibilities to a query (yes/no). Or 33% (good/bad/average). Good enough for proof of concepts. Add more rules of cancellation so if it doesn't work then hey there is the cancellation new rule I found!
One famous Astrologer used to post on this forum, his theory is that Jupiter is debilitated in all Earth signs, Saturn in Fire signs and so on for other planets. And an exalted planet destroys the house 8th from it because that is where it gets its exaltation energy from. Debilitated planets flourish the 8th from it. He has proved this on the charts he provided. He also coaches students. As he becomes more famous his theories will start get more validation from others. If he gets fame like KN Rao, you know what would happen.
So to your question of where one may start? It is kind of dependent on his luck because of so much information/misinformation out there. For a person who has no idea, they should look into classical texts with great patience. These texts are like Gurus. Even if a person starts on the wrong foot, is determined and have pure thirst for knowledge (not fame, ego, power and the likes) he will sooner or later move along the right path.
In 20 more years many shaky concepts with no support in classics will become mainstream (many already are).
Shrey - Please start an independent thread.
Rathore
At the same time the secrets he may know or his great insights, can they over ride classical texts?
Hello Rajeshwari ji,
Very well written post. One should be very careful of online articles, videos even books my popular Astrologers. There is good stuff there and then there is self created techniques, so called new observations that prove (already occurred) events. Even if some of these observations may be brilliant (and working), essentially they are compounding of simpler rules from classical texts. If they are based on new invented rules then just like you said it may work 50% of the time because there are only two possibilities to a query (yes/no). Or 33% (good/bad/average). Good enough for proof of concepts. Add more rules of cancellation so if it doesn't work then hey there is the cancellation new rule I found!
One famous Astrologer used to post on this forum, his theory is that Jupiter is debilitated in all Earth signs, Saturn in Fire signs and so on for other planets. And an exalted planet destroys the house 8th from it because that is where it gets its exaltation energy from. Debilitated planets flourish the 8th from it. He has proved this on the charts he provided. He also coaches students. As he becomes more famous his theories will start get more validation from others. If he gets fame like KN Rao, you know what would happen.
So to your question of where one may start? It is kind of dependent on his luck because of so much information/misinformation out there. For a person who has no idea, they should look into classical texts with great patience. These texts are like Gurus. Even if a person starts on the wrong foot, is determined and have pure thirst for knowledge (not fame, ego, power and the likes) he will sooner or later move along the right path.
In 20 more years many shaky concepts with no support in classics will become mainstream (many already are).
Shrey - Please start an independent thread.
Rathore
