I have wondered if 7th house can be considered for serious relationships. This is an effort to differentiate between 5th and 7th house karakatvas in terms of relationships. In today’s world people do have relationships before marriage, even serious ones which could not terminate into marriage. Such relations which did not convert into marriage are to be seen from 5th or 7th is what I have tried to check. Some people say that if a relation is a more than a year it can be seen from 7th house. I feel the time does not define the seriousness of relationship, someone who could have gone out just for few months could get connected deeply and someone who has been going out for 2-3 years together could not bring that gravity to the relation. As they say, Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
Recently a friend who is going through a tough phase in marriage had shown both horoscopes to check if she is heading towards divorce. Her husband has several afflictions regarding 7th house. She asked me does 7th house affliction still apply for him for their marriage if he already had a break up before marriage. This is when this question again popped in my mind which house to consider 5th or 7th for relationships which did not convert into marriage.
5th house is considered for romantic affairs and also to check success or failure of a relationship. Afflicted 5th lord, placement of 5th lord in 8th or 12th could mean breaking of relationship.
7th house is considered for nature/looks of spouse, marital happiness and benefits from spouse. This house is checked for possibility of divorce.
The difference between 5th and 7th house way of approaching in relationships is, 7th house focuses on unity and sense of oneness. 7th house is for partnership as well hence living together, adapting as per each other’s needs, buying a house or any other financial matters which are done together are seen from 7th house and is more about taking responsibility.
5th house periods can show meeting a person and proposals whereas 7th house is about committing to that person.
Chart-1: 03-11-1980, 5:40 am, Mundra (Gujrat)
This male native started a relationship in 2009. Jupiter was transiting 6th house, 7th transit from moon. Dasha was Rahu-Rahu. Rahu is in 5th in D-9. The relation continued for 2 years even through Rahu-Jupiter. Jupiter is 7th lord and also placed in 7th house in D-9. There was strong marriage yoga. There is 5th and 7th conjunction in Lagna still the relation did not turn into marriage. Native got married in Rahu-Jupiter at end of Jupiter AD through arranged marriage. Venus is in debilitated in D-1 and in Aries in D-9.
Chart-2: 17-01-1977, 20:20, Bhopal (MP)
This female had 8 year long relationship which did not convert into marriage. Her 5th lord is conjunct with ketu and 5th house is weak with placement of dire enemies Mars, mercury and moon. She got married in Moon-Rahu. Rahu is placed in 7th house in D-9.
Both natives had committed relationship but did not convert into marriage. They did not have any financial partnerships or did not live together. The dasha period for marriage is 7th house connected period. Hence I feel, no matter even if the relationship is serious, long and committed one but if there is no legal/financial partnership and if the couple is not married then 5th house should be considered and 7th house should be seen for first marriage related issues to answer the question that my friend had in mind.
Nature of 5th and 7th House of Relationships
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"Also for aspects, bhavas in vargas there is no support in classical texts. So 7th house in Navamsa (D9) does not exist. The rising degree of the 7th house will fall in some Navamsa as all planets do."?
In both the examples given by Janaki, the marriages took place in the AD of the planet placed in 7th of D9.
There has to be at least some connection.
Other factors matter too. I mean, just an MD/AD of the 7th house planet/lord does not indicate marriage. For example, it seems absurd to correlate the 7th dasha with marriage when such a dasha ends during childhood.
In both the examples given by Janaki, the marriages took place in the AD of the planet placed in 7th of D9.
There has to be at least some connection.
Other factors matter too. I mean, just an MD/AD of the 7th house planet/lord does not indicate marriage. For example, it seems absurd to correlate the 7th dasha with marriage when such a dasha ends during childhood.
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Rathoreji,
Yes, Thats what I think that 7th house should not be considered even for serious relationships. Here is an article that talks about it.
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 072307.htm
Its an interesting point you have brought up about Upachaya houses. 3rd house is certainly important for courage. I feel, moving from 5th to 7th we have a 6th house of obstacles and enemies
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That is another important house and it depends how the 3rd and 6th houses are for both natives to go from 5th to 7th house.
I dont consider aspects in D-9 but I do consider houses. Following is one reference where author has used houses in D-9 as well.
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 051806.htm
Instud,
7th house related period is one of the marriage timing indicators. There are several others.
Regards
Yes, Thats what I think that 7th house should not be considered even for serious relationships. Here is an article that talks about it.
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 072307.htm
Its an interesting point you have brought up about Upachaya houses. 3rd house is certainly important for courage. I feel, moving from 5th to 7th we have a 6th house of obstacles and enemies
. That is another important house and it depends how the 3rd and 6th houses are for both natives to go from 5th to 7th house.
I dont consider aspects in D-9 but I do consider houses. Following is one reference where author has used houses in D-9 as well.
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 051806.htm
Instud,
7th house related period is one of the marriage timing indicators. There are several others.
Regards
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Janaki ji,
About 250 years ago some Astrologers misinterpreted vargas as separate charts so now this knowledge has widespread in the age of Internet. Even the likes of KN Rao take aspects/Yogas in Vargas and treat them as separate charts and I am yet to come across a text citing the same. No wonder on Internet one would come across articles with the same knowledge. They are not wrong, they are just telling what they learnt themselves.
All Vargas exist within the Rashi chart. Say Moon is in Sagittarius at 17 degrees 7 minutes and 7 seconds. This Moon will always fall in the Navamsa of Virgo, Dasamsa of Taurus, Trimsamsa of Sagittarius and so on for other vargas - without fail. Why? Because Vargas are mathematical divisions of the Rashi and the same number (17 7 7 degrees) divided by same number (9 for Navamsa, 10 for Dasamsa and so on) will always give the same result mathematically. For that matter any planet or any point in space at 17 7 7 Sagittarius will fall in the same divisions as above every single time.
Now aspects are only longitude based (Pick any text) but longitudes do not exist in Vargas (and how can they?). Yogas do not exist in Vargas because Yogas deal with bhava lordships. When one takes Bhavas in vargas then Yogas become inevitable. No one talks about Kemdrum in Dasamsa or sunapha/anapha yoga in Navamsa and they should if Yogas exist there. But they do talk about other Yogas there because of of taking Bhavas in Vargas causing much confusion. No one talks about aspects and Yogas in Hora (D2) where there are just two horas, Sun and Moon. Similarly Rahu Ketu combine in Trimsamsa so one can't have the so called kaal sarp yoga there ha ha ha.
On a practical level treating vargas as separate charts makes one justify just about anything. Give me any chart and I shall prove the native is a murderer or a rapist or a saint. But the same strategy when used for predicting real future does not work. Well of course because then there are too many variables. Anyway mostly everything comes down to Yogas (in Rashi) and their strengths (through Rashi and Vargas) and it takes a very long time to learn those.
Lets take Shashtiamsa as an example i.e. dividing each sign into 60 divisions (0.5 degrees of the zodiac) we see sub degrees are ruled by some planet at all times. One can keep dividing the zodiac and get to minuscule degrees which will always be under the rule of some planet. The sages knew this which is why the texts talk about a planet in a particular amsa giving such and such results or the same planet in a particular amsa aspected by another (in Rashi) giving such and such results.
Planets give particular results at particular degrees so Vargas exist for the ease of the Astrologer otherwise the texts would have to say Jupiter at 0 degree gives X result for health, spouse, profession etc, at 1 degree it gives Z result, all the way up to 360 and then repeat the same in aspects/conjunctions to other planets. This is impossible to remember for a human as it has no classification.
On a side note don't get into Shashtiamsa or any Varga after Trimsamsa because these are very Ayanamsa and Year length specific (which are debatable). So the signs we see for planets in any Varga after Trimsamsa are not reliable.
Rathore
About 250 years ago some Astrologers misinterpreted vargas as separate charts so now this knowledge has widespread in the age of Internet. Even the likes of KN Rao take aspects/Yogas in Vargas and treat them as separate charts and I am yet to come across a text citing the same. No wonder on Internet one would come across articles with the same knowledge. They are not wrong, they are just telling what they learnt themselves.
All Vargas exist within the Rashi chart. Say Moon is in Sagittarius at 17 degrees 7 minutes and 7 seconds. This Moon will always fall in the Navamsa of Virgo, Dasamsa of Taurus, Trimsamsa of Sagittarius and so on for other vargas - without fail. Why? Because Vargas are mathematical divisions of the Rashi and the same number (17 7 7 degrees) divided by same number (9 for Navamsa, 10 for Dasamsa and so on) will always give the same result mathematically. For that matter any planet or any point in space at 17 7 7 Sagittarius will fall in the same divisions as above every single time.
Now aspects are only longitude based (Pick any text) but longitudes do not exist in Vargas (and how can they?). Yogas do not exist in Vargas because Yogas deal with bhava lordships. When one takes Bhavas in vargas then Yogas become inevitable. No one talks about Kemdrum in Dasamsa or sunapha/anapha yoga in Navamsa and they should if Yogas exist there. But they do talk about other Yogas there because of of taking Bhavas in Vargas causing much confusion. No one talks about aspects and Yogas in Hora (D2) where there are just two horas, Sun and Moon. Similarly Rahu Ketu combine in Trimsamsa so one can't have the so called kaal sarp yoga there ha ha ha.
On a practical level treating vargas as separate charts makes one justify just about anything. Give me any chart and I shall prove the native is a murderer or a rapist or a saint. But the same strategy when used for predicting real future does not work. Well of course because then there are too many variables. Anyway mostly everything comes down to Yogas (in Rashi) and their strengths (through Rashi and Vargas) and it takes a very long time to learn those.
Lets take Shashtiamsa as an example i.e. dividing each sign into 60 divisions (0.5 degrees of the zodiac) we see sub degrees are ruled by some planet at all times. One can keep dividing the zodiac and get to minuscule degrees which will always be under the rule of some planet. The sages knew this which is why the texts talk about a planet in a particular amsa giving such and such results or the same planet in a particular amsa aspected by another (in Rashi) giving such and such results.
Planets give particular results at particular degrees so Vargas exist for the ease of the Astrologer otherwise the texts would have to say Jupiter at 0 degree gives X result for health, spouse, profession etc, at 1 degree it gives Z result, all the way up to 360 and then repeat the same in aspects/conjunctions to other planets. This is impossible to remember for a human as it has no classification.
On a side note don't get into Shashtiamsa or any Varga after Trimsamsa because these are very Ayanamsa and Year length specific (which are debatable). So the signs we see for planets in any Varga after Trimsamsa are not reliable.
Rathore
"All Vargas exist within the Rashi chart. Say Moon is in Sagittarius at 17 degrees 7 minutes and 7 seconds. This Moon will always fall in the Navamsa of Virgo, Dasamsa of Taurus, Trimsamsa of Sagittarius and so on for other vargas - without fail. Why? Because Vargas are mathematical divisions of the Rashi and the same number (17 7 7 degrees) divided by same number (9 for Navamsa, 10 for Dasamsa and so on) will always give the same result mathematically. For that matter any planet or any point in space at 17 7 7 Sagittarius will fall in the same divisions as above every single time.
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When the varga charts are formed in this way, with a new lagna (starting point), etc, how does it make things easier for the astrologer?
For example, when we have a navamsa, we can automatically see the strengths of planets, but what about predicting dharma/spouse related stuff? Do we still not consider /need the houses?
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When the varga charts are formed in this way, with a new lagna (starting point), etc, how does it make things easier for the astrologer?
For example, when we have a navamsa, we can automatically see the strengths of planets, but what about predicting dharma/spouse related stuff? Do we still not consider /need the houses?
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Say Lagna is at 17 7 7 in Sagittarius then it will fall in the Navamsa of Virgo, Drekkana of Aries, Trimsamsa of Sagittarius, Dwadasmsa of Gemini and Dasamsa of Taurus i.e. the moment you were born your Lagna was Sagittarius and it falls in the Navamsa of Virgo, Drekkana of Aries, Trimsamsa of Sagittarius, Dwadasmsa of Gemini and Dasamsa of Taurus. So where the self (Lagna of Rashi) is concerned for work purposes (Dasamsa) Taurus and Venus have a say, for Siblings (Drekkana) for self, Aries and Mars have a say and so on. Such results are told in classical texts. Vargas do not have Lagna (starting point) in the sense of Rashi Lagna, its just that the Lagna of Rashi itself falls in some Navamsa, Dasamsa (just like all other planets do) just by virtue of its rising degree.
Saying Lagna (or any planet) in Dhanu, Navamsa in Virgo and so on one is essentially pin pointing the exact degree of the Lagna itself because specific degrees give specific results. Here is an example:
Say you are on a big beach in Goa and I call to ask where are you. You say I am at the beach looking at the Sun set (i.e. you are aspecting the Sun). Now I get the idea you are somewhere on the beach but I need to know exact position to find you so I ask where exactly and you say, on that big rock. Now I can pin point you but has your aspect changed just because you are on the big rock? No, you are still aspecting the Sun. Your position has not changed so how can you have a different starting point? Similarly Vargas are telling about the exact degrees of Lagna and Planets. Its just that these range of degrees fall under ruler ship of different planets for different areas of life (Navamsa, Dasamsa etc) and so the results are told accordingly. This is why a planet when Vargottama or in the same sign in several Vargas has more strength. Because now it is under the ruler ship of the same planet and so just that planet in its Dasha has major impact (i.e. it is strong!) in many Vargas (areas of life) hence effecting many areas of life. But again it is only strong because of being at a particular degree in the Rashi. Had it been at another degree it will not fall under the same sign in many Vargas (just like I explained how Lagna at 17 7 7 goes to X navamsa and Y drekkana and Z dasamsa and so on above).
Now say you move on a different section of the big rock to an area which is now under the control of the next Dasamsa but the same Navamsa. So now you are standing at a place under the control of Gemini Dasamsa (i.e. Gemini and Mercury have a say) but same Navamsa of Taurus as before. This means now the Lagna (i.e you) is at 18 degrees on the rock.
Now since every house in Rashi is rising at the degree of the Lagna so every house falls in some Navamsa, Dasamsa and so on. So in the above case 7th house falls in the Navamsa of Pisces i.e. Jupiter and Pisces have a say about the spouse.
There is only one chart (i.e. representation of the zodiac) Rashi chart. Vargas are not charts, they exist within the Rashi itself as they are mathematical interpolations of Rashi. Technically one can call it a chart as it is in a diagram form but just the word chart (or D2 chart, D9 chart etc) implies something separate from "D1 chart" causing confusion. These terms were introduced after Hindu Astrology got introduced to the West. Sure they are helpful, yet they can cause confusion especially when one hasn't calculated them by hand.
How they make things easier for the Astrologer is explained in the last post. You would also need to look at the Varga Karaka's dignity in its respective Varga. I suggest going through Classical texts and you will know what is going on.
Astrology is simple, it is vast but simple. There is no or little jugglery involved once one knows the principles and what means what (Rashi, Planets, their positions etc. and corresponding results).
Please be very careful of what you accept about Astrology when looking up things online (including this post). There is a lot of misinformation out there mostly because those authors themselves are misinformed or have misinterpreted. Do your home work and read the texts for yourself before trusting anything.
Rathore
Saying Lagna (or any planet) in Dhanu, Navamsa in Virgo and so on one is essentially pin pointing the exact degree of the Lagna itself because specific degrees give specific results. Here is an example:
Say you are on a big beach in Goa and I call to ask where are you. You say I am at the beach looking at the Sun set (i.e. you are aspecting the Sun). Now I get the idea you are somewhere on the beach but I need to know exact position to find you so I ask where exactly and you say, on that big rock. Now I can pin point you but has your aspect changed just because you are on the big rock? No, you are still aspecting the Sun. Your position has not changed so how can you have a different starting point? Similarly Vargas are telling about the exact degrees of Lagna and Planets. Its just that these range of degrees fall under ruler ship of different planets for different areas of life (Navamsa, Dasamsa etc) and so the results are told accordingly. This is why a planet when Vargottama or in the same sign in several Vargas has more strength. Because now it is under the ruler ship of the same planet and so just that planet in its Dasha has major impact (i.e. it is strong!) in many Vargas (areas of life) hence effecting many areas of life. But again it is only strong because of being at a particular degree in the Rashi. Had it been at another degree it will not fall under the same sign in many Vargas (just like I explained how Lagna at 17 7 7 goes to X navamsa and Y drekkana and Z dasamsa and so on above).
Now say you move on a different section of the big rock to an area which is now under the control of the next Dasamsa but the same Navamsa. So now you are standing at a place under the control of Gemini Dasamsa (i.e. Gemini and Mercury have a say) but same Navamsa of Taurus as before. This means now the Lagna (i.e you) is at 18 degrees on the rock.
Now since every house in Rashi is rising at the degree of the Lagna so every house falls in some Navamsa, Dasamsa and so on. So in the above case 7th house falls in the Navamsa of Pisces i.e. Jupiter and Pisces have a say about the spouse.
There is only one chart (i.e. representation of the zodiac) Rashi chart. Vargas are not charts, they exist within the Rashi itself as they are mathematical interpolations of Rashi. Technically one can call it a chart as it is in a diagram form but just the word chart (or D2 chart, D9 chart etc) implies something separate from "D1 chart" causing confusion. These terms were introduced after Hindu Astrology got introduced to the West. Sure they are helpful, yet they can cause confusion especially when one hasn't calculated them by hand.
How they make things easier for the Astrologer is explained in the last post. You would also need to look at the Varga Karaka's dignity in its respective Varga. I suggest going through Classical texts and you will know what is going on.
Astrology is simple, it is vast but simple. There is no or little jugglery involved once one knows the principles and what means what (Rashi, Planets, their positions etc. and corresponding results).
Please be very careful of what you accept about Astrology when looking up things online (including this post). There is a lot of misinformation out there mostly because those authors themselves are misinformed or have misinterpreted. Do your home work and read the texts for yourself before trusting anything.
Rathore
Rathoreji,
The lagna and also the planets will get fixed in divisional charts depending upon the type of chart we are referring to. Thats why we see that if a planet is appearing in same sign in multiple divisional charts it gets additional strength and will endow its blessing during the dasha period. Divisional charts are confirmatory charts for Rasi chart.
If we dont consider houses, how do we interpret effects? I mean to say if we dont take 7th in D-9 how do we predict quality of married life or even dasha period related to marriage. Likewise we dont consider houses in D-30 how will we know which is the problem causing planets (Lagna lord in D-30 and planets placed in 8th house) and which one will relieve from problems (12th house as its 5th to 8th house)? Similarly for D-10 the overall scheme of career along with period for getting jobs , promotions etc.
I try to study D-27 and D-30 as they operate on sub conscience level and D-40, 45 and 60 as they indicate the karmic plane of existence that is above physical level (D 1-12) or mental level (D-13-24).
Regards
The lagna and also the planets will get fixed in divisional charts depending upon the type of chart we are referring to. Thats why we see that if a planet is appearing in same sign in multiple divisional charts it gets additional strength and will endow its blessing during the dasha period. Divisional charts are confirmatory charts for Rasi chart.
If we dont consider houses, how do we interpret effects? I mean to say if we dont take 7th in D-9 how do we predict quality of married life or even dasha period related to marriage. Likewise we dont consider houses in D-30 how will we know which is the problem causing planets (Lagna lord in D-30 and planets placed in 8th house) and which one will relieve from problems (12th house as its 5th to 8th house)? Similarly for D-10 the overall scheme of career along with period for getting jobs , promotions etc.
I try to study D-27 and D-30 as they operate on sub conscience level and D-40, 45 and 60 as they indicate the karmic plane of existence that is above physical level (D 1-12) or mental level (D-13-24).
Regards
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It seems the term D9, D10 or Divisional "Chart" is leading you to treat them as Rashi thereby assigning houses. There is no Divisional "chart", there is no Navamsa "chart". There is just "Division"/amsa or just "Navamsa". The term "Chart" is the misnomer here.
There is only one chart - Rashi chart. Divisions are only confirming the actual placement of the planet in the zodiac (degree wise). The zodiac is 360 degrees. 12 parts of it are ruled by different planets (Rashis). Keep dividing the 12 parts further we get Navamsa, Dasamsa etc (not Navamsa "chart" or Dasamsa "chart"). It is just that the divided parts fall under the ruler ship of different planets/deities and give results accordingly.
This will make it clearer: (Below diagram rendering best in Chrome followed by Internet Explorer)
30 degrees Zodiac of Aries (i.e. section of the sky)
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|.......1st Drekkana...........|........2nd Drekkana...........|......3rd Drekkana.........|
| 1st Nav.|2nd Nav.|3rd Nav.| 4th Nav.|5th Nav.|6th Nav. |7th Nav.|8thNav.|9thNav.|
|1st Das|2nd Das|3rd Das|4th Das|5th Das|6th Das|7th Das|8th Das |9th Das|10thDas|
..Lagna....Mars.......................................................................................
This is a representation of the beginning of the zodiac (30 degrees of Aries). See the divisions marked for Drekkana, Navamsa, Dasamsa. 30 degrees of Aries is divided into three Drekkanas, nine Navamsas and ten Dasamsas. Each such division is further assigned ruler-ship of a sign and hence a planet.
Now since it is 30 degrees of Aries it is under the rule of Mars. The first part of 10 degrees of this 30 degree section is assigned to Mars and is called the 1st Drekkana. The first 3.20 degrees of this 30 degree section is also assigned to Mars and is called the first Navamsa of Aries. The first 3.00 degrees of this 30 degree section is also ruled by Mars and known as 1st Dasamsa of Aries. Similarly 2nd 10 degrees of this 30 degrees are assigned to Sun (Leo) and is called the 2nd Drekkana. 2nd 3.20 degrees to Venus (Taurus) i.e. 3.20 - 6.40 section of the zodiac and is called 2nd Navamsa of Aries (i.e. Taurus). 2nd 3.00 degrees to Venus (Taurus) i.e. 3.00 - 6.00 section of the zodiac and is called 2nd Dasamsa of Aries (Taurus). You can see the overlap here (and in the diagram).
But what is it really? i.e. if Lagna (or any planet or rising degrees of the house) is in "that certain section" of the sky (as Lagna is in the above diagram) it is majorly under the influence of Mars. Take a look at 18th April 2013, 0553, Chennai. The "Lagna" is in Aries Rashi and falls in Aries division for Drekkana, Navamsa and Dasamsa. Similarly Mars is in its own Rashi, in 1st Drekkana of Aries (i.e. Aries), in 2nd Navamsa of Aries (i.e. Taurus) and 2nd Dasamsa of Aries (i.e. Taurus). So it is still in 30 degrees of Aries but for Navamsa and Dasamsa purposes is under the rule of Venus i.e. the results of Mars in Aries will be colored by Taurus/Venus for Navamsa and Dasamsa purposes.
There is no question of a different "Chart" other than Rashi when all that the divisions are telling is what "section of the zodiac" the Planet is in (and who rules it). Chart is a real representation of the zodiac, divisions are further refinement of the real representation of the zodiac. They are for the ease of the Astrologer as told earlier.
So Chart wise for the above birth date, Lagna is at 2.38 degrees in the zodiac and from 0.00 - 3.00 degree section of the sky is under the ruler-ship of Aries/Mars for Rashi, Navamsa, Drekkana and Dasamsa purposes. Move it to 3.01 degrees and Lagna falls under the Dasamsa of Taurus/Venus but is still in the Navamsa, Drekkana of Mars.
So planets, houses, lagna get strength by virtue of just being in a particular fixed section of the sky at the time of birth. When in same divisions it is called Vargottama, Vaiseshikamsa (more strength).
Now just like Lagna falls under some Dasamsa so for the above birth details 10th house of Rashi falls in the Dasamsa of Capricorn i.e. Saturn have a say in it. 10th lord of Rashi Saturn which is exalted falls in its own Dasamsa i.e. Saturn in Aquarius. Hence Saturn is getting a lot of strength for Dasamsa purposes. CONTINUE....
There is only one chart - Rashi chart. Divisions are only confirming the actual placement of the planet in the zodiac (degree wise). The zodiac is 360 degrees. 12 parts of it are ruled by different planets (Rashis). Keep dividing the 12 parts further we get Navamsa, Dasamsa etc (not Navamsa "chart" or Dasamsa "chart"). It is just that the divided parts fall under the ruler ship of different planets/deities and give results accordingly.
This will make it clearer: (Below diagram rendering best in Chrome followed by Internet Explorer)
30 degrees Zodiac of Aries (i.e. section of the sky)
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|.......1st Drekkana...........|........2nd Drekkana...........|......3rd Drekkana.........|
| 1st Nav.|2nd Nav.|3rd Nav.| 4th Nav.|5th Nav.|6th Nav. |7th Nav.|8thNav.|9thNav.|
|1st Das|2nd Das|3rd Das|4th Das|5th Das|6th Das|7th Das|8th Das |9th Das|10thDas|
..Lagna....Mars.......................................................................................
This is a representation of the beginning of the zodiac (30 degrees of Aries). See the divisions marked for Drekkana, Navamsa, Dasamsa. 30 degrees of Aries is divided into three Drekkanas, nine Navamsas and ten Dasamsas. Each such division is further assigned ruler-ship of a sign and hence a planet.
Now since it is 30 degrees of Aries it is under the rule of Mars. The first part of 10 degrees of this 30 degree section is assigned to Mars and is called the 1st Drekkana. The first 3.20 degrees of this 30 degree section is also assigned to Mars and is called the first Navamsa of Aries. The first 3.00 degrees of this 30 degree section is also ruled by Mars and known as 1st Dasamsa of Aries. Similarly 2nd 10 degrees of this 30 degrees are assigned to Sun (Leo) and is called the 2nd Drekkana. 2nd 3.20 degrees to Venus (Taurus) i.e. 3.20 - 6.40 section of the zodiac and is called 2nd Navamsa of Aries (i.e. Taurus). 2nd 3.00 degrees to Venus (Taurus) i.e. 3.00 - 6.00 section of the zodiac and is called 2nd Dasamsa of Aries (Taurus). You can see the overlap here (and in the diagram).
But what is it really? i.e. if Lagna (or any planet or rising degrees of the house) is in "that certain section" of the sky (as Lagna is in the above diagram) it is majorly under the influence of Mars. Take a look at 18th April 2013, 0553, Chennai. The "Lagna" is in Aries Rashi and falls in Aries division for Drekkana, Navamsa and Dasamsa. Similarly Mars is in its own Rashi, in 1st Drekkana of Aries (i.e. Aries), in 2nd Navamsa of Aries (i.e. Taurus) and 2nd Dasamsa of Aries (i.e. Taurus). So it is still in 30 degrees of Aries but for Navamsa and Dasamsa purposes is under the rule of Venus i.e. the results of Mars in Aries will be colored by Taurus/Venus for Navamsa and Dasamsa purposes.
There is no question of a different "Chart" other than Rashi when all that the divisions are telling is what "section of the zodiac" the Planet is in (and who rules it). Chart is a real representation of the zodiac, divisions are further refinement of the real representation of the zodiac. They are for the ease of the Astrologer as told earlier.
So Chart wise for the above birth date, Lagna is at 2.38 degrees in the zodiac and from 0.00 - 3.00 degree section of the sky is under the ruler-ship of Aries/Mars for Rashi, Navamsa, Drekkana and Dasamsa purposes. Move it to 3.01 degrees and Lagna falls under the Dasamsa of Taurus/Venus but is still in the Navamsa, Drekkana of Mars.
So planets, houses, lagna get strength by virtue of just being in a particular fixed section of the sky at the time of birth. When in same divisions it is called Vargottama, Vaiseshikamsa (more strength).
Now just like Lagna falls under some Dasamsa so for the above birth details 10th house of Rashi falls in the Dasamsa of Capricorn i.e. Saturn have a say in it. 10th lord of Rashi Saturn which is exalted falls in its own Dasamsa i.e. Saturn in Aquarius. Hence Saturn is getting a lot of strength for Dasamsa purposes. CONTINUE....
Rathoreji, are you trying to say that an expert astrologer, with full knowledge of the above concepts, will be able to make the same predictions by just looking at the rashi/lagna chart as what a different astrologer might make only after looking at the vargas?
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I have hardly seen 5th house periods giving relationships. It's always the 7th house period when a person is in love or marries.
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Rathoreji,
I understand that each rasi is further divided to get the divisions or ansha. To get Drekkana, each rasi is divided into 3 parts, 10 deg each. Bodies in first Drekkana will be placed in Drekkana chart in same sign. Bodies in 2nd Drekkana will be placed in D-3 in 5th from the rasi and bodies in 3rd drekkana are placed in 9th from the rasi.
For Navmansha,
Rasi is further divided into 9 parts and each part is called Navmansha. The bodies in this will be placed starting from Aries Navmansha for fiery signs, Starting from Capricorn navmansha for earth signs, starting from Libra navmansha for Air signs and starting from Cancer navmansha for water signs.
For Dashamansha,
Rasi is further divided into 10 parts. Bodies placed in these will be placed in Dashamnasha starting from same sign for Odd rasis and from 9th Sign for even signs.
The books I have read refer to these Divisions as charts or kundali, defining Lagna in 1st house. Recently I have started reading a book by K.N. Rao ji, ‘Astrology, Destiny and the Wheel of Time’. There he considers houses and also aspects in divisional charts (Chapter IV, Use of Divisional Horoscopes).
I understand what you are trying to say. Please continue with your explanation. I would like to know how to analyze divisional charts if we don’t consider houses. The questions which came in my mind regarding D-7, D-10, D-30, I have posted in previous post.
Regards
I understand that each rasi is further divided to get the divisions or ansha. To get Drekkana, each rasi is divided into 3 parts, 10 deg each. Bodies in first Drekkana will be placed in Drekkana chart in same sign. Bodies in 2nd Drekkana will be placed in D-3 in 5th from the rasi and bodies in 3rd drekkana are placed in 9th from the rasi.
For Navmansha,
Rasi is further divided into 9 parts and each part is called Navmansha. The bodies in this will be placed starting from Aries Navmansha for fiery signs, Starting from Capricorn navmansha for earth signs, starting from Libra navmansha for Air signs and starting from Cancer navmansha for water signs.
For Dashamansha,
Rasi is further divided into 10 parts. Bodies placed in these will be placed in Dashamnasha starting from same sign for Odd rasis and from 9th Sign for even signs.
The books I have read refer to these Divisions as charts or kundali, defining Lagna in 1st house. Recently I have started reading a book by K.N. Rao ji, ‘Astrology, Destiny and the Wheel of Time’. There he considers houses and also aspects in divisional charts (Chapter IV, Use of Divisional Horoscopes).
I understand what you are trying to say. Please continue with your explanation. I would like to know how to analyze divisional charts if we don’t consider houses. The questions which came in my mind regarding D-7, D-10, D-30, I have posted in previous post.
Regards
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Generally meeting a person/proposal can be seen from 5th house. Following article talks about starting a relation and further transits for commitment.
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 072307.htm
In chart 1, the relation starting period was connected to 5th, even the relation progressed in 7th house period,marriage did not happen. Similarly for chart 2, 8 years is a long time, still did not give marriage. Both cases, marriage happened in 7th period through arranged tradition.
In Indian context, if the relation is not accepted in front of society, either by marriage or infront of witness as discussed in previous posts it can not be related to 7th house. 3rd and 6th Upachaya houses are important for converting 5th to 7th.
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 072307.htm
In chart 1, the relation starting period was connected to 5th, even the relation progressed in 7th house period,marriage did not happen. Similarly for chart 2, 8 years is a long time, still did not give marriage. Both cases, marriage happened in 7th period through arranged tradition.
In Indian context, if the relation is not accepted in front of society, either by marriage or infront of witness as discussed in previous posts it can not be related to 7th house. 3rd and 6th Upachaya houses are important for converting 5th to 7th.
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Dear rathorerathore wrote:I
There is only one chart - Rashi chart. Divisions are only confirming the actual placement of the planet in the zodiac (degree wise). The zodiac is 360 degrees. 12 parts of it are ruled by different planets (Rashis). Keep dividing the 12 parts further we get Navamsa, Dasamsa etc (not Navamsa "chart" or Dasamsa "chart"). It is just that the divided parts fall under the ruler ship of different planets/deities and give results accordingly.
CONTINUE....
I support your view fully.
I am yet to find out in classics, treating divisions as separate charts.
सर्वे भवन्तु सुखिनः।
सर्वे सन्तु निरामयाः।
Astrologically yours.
Subramanian Pandath.
सर्वे सन्तु निरामयाः।
Astrologically yours.
Subramanian Pandath.
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Similarly for 18th April 2013, 0553, Chennai 7th house of Libra falls in the Navamsa of Libra itself. 7th lord Venus of Rashi falls in the Navamsa of Gemini i.e. Mercury have a say for Navamsa (marriage) purposes. The results of 7th lord of Rashi in Aries are being colored by Gemini. Quality of married life is seen from Rashi and the dignity of concerned planets in Navamsa, also what Navamsa is the 7th house is falling in or for that matter 8th ahouse, 2nd house, 4th house, 12th house.
There is only one chart (the representation of zodiac i.e. Rashi). Vargas are just talking about the precise degree of the planets,Lagna (i.e. their location in the sky). If you give me a Rashi chart only with no degrees, no date of birth I cannot create Vargas but if you give me a Rashi chart (again without degrees and DOB) and the Vargas (say upto Trimsamsa) then I will be able figure out the degrees of planets, lagna etc and even DOB/TOB. The more Vargas I have the more accurate the degrees/TOB will be. In fact just give me Vargas and one reference from Rashi (such as Lagna) and I will be able to construct the Rashi chart and pin point DOB/TOB. Clearly, it means Vargas are just talking about specific sections of the zodiac where a planet is transiting.
Specific section of sky means for e.g. Sun transits the East every morning, that is a specific section of the sky. Any planet transiting through the same area of the sky (as seen from Earth) will be in the same sign and Vargas as Sun on that day. This is also obvious from the 30 degree diagram in an earlier post. One can see Mars over there is in Aries Rashi, 1st Drekkana of Aries (Aries), 2nd Navamsa of Aries (Taurus) and 2nd Dasamsa of Aries (Taurus) just by looking above where "Mars" is written. This just means Mars is transiting that fixed section of the sky where its falling in Aries Rashi, Aries Drekkana, Taurus Navamsa and Taurus Dasamsa at the same time!
Now that its in Taurus Navamsa doesn't mean it starts aspecting some other houses in Navamsa (which didn't exist to begin with). It is only aspecting in Rashi because Aspects are calculated by longitude (saying Mars aspect 4th, 7th, 8th is just an easier way to instruct but actual calculation is longitudnal). Longitudes only exist in Rashi (again because there is only one chart and therefore one zodiac where longitudes can exist) so saying planetary aspects apply in Vargas (which are inside Rashi to begin with) is like saying Mars in my living room in Aries Rashi section aspecting the TV in Scorpio Rashi section with 8th aspect but since his Navamsa falls in Taurus so now he is also aspecting the bedroom painting in Leo Navamsa (which falls in Pisces Rashi) with his 4th aspect while already aspecting the TV in Scorpio. As you can see this is impossible. Mars in Aries cannot be aspecting Pisces not even by its partial aspect. Data used: 19th April 2013 12:57 PM Chennai.
There is no jugglery involved in Astrology though that is what one comes across when reading most chart analysis making it complicated and proving whatever. A real Astrologer (rarely found now) will look at me with surprise if I talk about houses, aspects, yogas in divisions.
Rathore
Similarly for 18th April 2013, 0553, Chennai 7th house of Libra falls in the Navamsa of Libra itself. 7th lord Venus of Rashi falls in the Navamsa of Gemini i.e. Mercury have a say for Navamsa (marriage) purposes. The results of 7th lord of Rashi in Aries are being colored by Gemini. Quality of married life is seen from Rashi and the dignity of concerned planets in Navamsa, also what Navamsa is the 7th house is falling in or for that matter 8th ahouse, 2nd house, 4th house, 12th house.
There is only one chart (the representation of zodiac i.e. Rashi). Vargas are just talking about the precise degree of the planets,Lagna (i.e. their location in the sky). If you give me a Rashi chart only with no degrees, no date of birth I cannot create Vargas but if you give me a Rashi chart (again without degrees and DOB) and the Vargas (say upto Trimsamsa) then I will be able figure out the degrees of planets, lagna etc and even DOB/TOB. The more Vargas I have the more accurate the degrees/TOB will be. In fact just give me Vargas and one reference from Rashi (such as Lagna) and I will be able to construct the Rashi chart and pin point DOB/TOB. Clearly, it means Vargas are just talking about specific sections of the zodiac where a planet is transiting.
Specific section of sky means for e.g. Sun transits the East every morning, that is a specific section of the sky. Any planet transiting through the same area of the sky (as seen from Earth) will be in the same sign and Vargas as Sun on that day. This is also obvious from the 30 degree diagram in an earlier post. One can see Mars over there is in Aries Rashi, 1st Drekkana of Aries (Aries), 2nd Navamsa of Aries (Taurus) and 2nd Dasamsa of Aries (Taurus) just by looking above where "Mars" is written. This just means Mars is transiting that fixed section of the sky where its falling in Aries Rashi, Aries Drekkana, Taurus Navamsa and Taurus Dasamsa at the same time!
Now that its in Taurus Navamsa doesn't mean it starts aspecting some other houses in Navamsa (which didn't exist to begin with). It is only aspecting in Rashi because Aspects are calculated by longitude (saying Mars aspect 4th, 7th, 8th is just an easier way to instruct but actual calculation is longitudnal). Longitudes only exist in Rashi (again because there is only one chart and therefore one zodiac where longitudes can exist) so saying planetary aspects apply in Vargas (which are inside Rashi to begin with) is like saying Mars in my living room in Aries Rashi section aspecting the TV in Scorpio Rashi section with 8th aspect but since his Navamsa falls in Taurus so now he is also aspecting the bedroom painting in Leo Navamsa (which falls in Pisces Rashi) with his 4th aspect while already aspecting the TV in Scorpio. As you can see this is impossible. Mars in Aries cannot be aspecting Pisces not even by its partial aspect. Data used: 19th April 2013 12:57 PM Chennai.
There is no jugglery involved in Astrology though that is what one comes across when reading most chart analysis making it complicated and proving whatever. A real Astrologer (rarely found now) will look at me with surprise if I talk about houses, aspects, yogas in divisions.
Rathore
Intstud ji, Vargas must be looked at if the time of birth is accurate, its just that there is no 6th lord in 2nd house or 10th lord in 12th house in Vargas or taking Yogas, aspects in Vargas. Such analysis is for Rashi only.
Janaki ji, one can call them charts if they like but they should be treated as instructed in classical texts i.e. texts written in BC. AD texts are fine too as long as they are compilations of classical texts. English cannot handle Sanskrit very well. English is simplistic hence translation terms such as "charts" have come in causing different meanings/confusion. Some translations are poorly done and provide multiple meanings which were never meant. Anything above Trimsamsa is Ayanamsa and Year length specific, which are still not accurate so the positions are not reliable there and studying them is not recommended unless you are a researcher fixing year length and Ayanamsa. Yes KN Rao applies Rashi chart rules to divisions. I suggest going through classical texts thoroughly first before any others.
Subramanianp ji, thank you.
Rathore
Janaki ji, one can call them charts if they like but they should be treated as instructed in classical texts i.e. texts written in BC. AD texts are fine too as long as they are compilations of classical texts. English cannot handle Sanskrit very well. English is simplistic hence translation terms such as "charts" have come in causing different meanings/confusion. Some translations are poorly done and provide multiple meanings which were never meant. Anything above Trimsamsa is Ayanamsa and Year length specific, which are still not accurate so the positions are not reliable there and studying them is not recommended unless you are a researcher fixing year length and Ayanamsa. Yes KN Rao applies Rashi chart rules to divisions. I suggest going through classical texts thoroughly first before any others.
Subramanianp ji, thank you.
Rathore
Rathoreji,
I am trying to understand the physical significance of divisional charts. My interpretation of Rasi chart is as follows. Please correct me if I am wrong.
The Sun and Nakshatras forming rasis are fixed in the Sky. Its is Earth which is rotating along own axis and also around Sun. As we take Geocentric setting we are considering the retrogressions etc. It is because two planets are revolving around the Sun, the planet which is having higher speed will create a relative speed wrt slow moving planet. It will seem that the slower planet is moving backwards. Like when we travel in train, we think the trees are moving backwards. That is what retrogression would mean.
I fix position of Sun and Nakashtras in the Sky and considering Earth, Moon and the other planets are rotating around Sun. When Earth is rotating around itself, taking 24 hrs to complete one rotation, it will see 12 rasis during its rotation. So every 2 hrs the rasis will change, giving rise to rising sings or Lagna. Depending upon the time of birth we can calculate the degrees of Lagna as every 4 mins, 1 degree it would have travelled.
Not I fix a starting point in a Zodiac, Suppose Aries at 0 deg. If I have to calculate the degree of each planet, I will measure the angle from that fixed point. IF Sun is at 15 deg in scorpio means Earth has travelled till libra and now at 15 deg in scorpio from the fixed point (0 deg ) which I had considered. Similarly I calculate angles of all moving planets including moon. There can be maximum distance of 28 deg between Sun and Mercury and 48 deg between Sun and Venus.
Now I have fixed all this in rasi chart. When I take divisional charts and say Sun is in Scorpio Navmansha or Saturn is in Capricorn dashamansha, what does it mean in physical plane? Does it have any physical significance?
When you say we check the 7th, 8th, 2nd and 12th house in Navmansha, when there are no planets in these houses, How do we check navmansha for houses as a house will be full 30 deg.
Regards
I am trying to understand the physical significance of divisional charts. My interpretation of Rasi chart is as follows. Please correct me if I am wrong.
The Sun and Nakshatras forming rasis are fixed in the Sky. Its is Earth which is rotating along own axis and also around Sun. As we take Geocentric setting we are considering the retrogressions etc. It is because two planets are revolving around the Sun, the planet which is having higher speed will create a relative speed wrt slow moving planet. It will seem that the slower planet is moving backwards. Like when we travel in train, we think the trees are moving backwards. That is what retrogression would mean.
I fix position of Sun and Nakashtras in the Sky and considering Earth, Moon and the other planets are rotating around Sun. When Earth is rotating around itself, taking 24 hrs to complete one rotation, it will see 12 rasis during its rotation. So every 2 hrs the rasis will change, giving rise to rising sings or Lagna. Depending upon the time of birth we can calculate the degrees of Lagna as every 4 mins, 1 degree it would have travelled.
Not I fix a starting point in a Zodiac, Suppose Aries at 0 deg. If I have to calculate the degree of each planet, I will measure the angle from that fixed point. IF Sun is at 15 deg in scorpio means Earth has travelled till libra and now at 15 deg in scorpio from the fixed point (0 deg ) which I had considered. Similarly I calculate angles of all moving planets including moon. There can be maximum distance of 28 deg between Sun and Mercury and 48 deg between Sun and Venus.
Now I have fixed all this in rasi chart. When I take divisional charts and say Sun is in Scorpio Navmansha or Saturn is in Capricorn dashamansha, what does it mean in physical plane? Does it have any physical significance?
When you say we check the 7th, 8th, 2nd and 12th house in Navmansha, when there are no planets in these houses, How do we check navmansha for houses as a house will be full 30 deg.
Regards
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Janaki ji,
Lagna is the intersection point of the Earth and the heavens and moves fast because of Earth's rotation. Lagna is the fixed point. Sun and other planets are moving around it. This is from the perspective of an observer on Earth. Now these planets are transiting through the zodiac (as seen from Earth) which is divided into Houses, Rashis and further into Drekkanas, Navamsas, Dasamas etc. Which means different portions of the sky are ruled by different signs and these portions (hence ruler-ship) overlap. As in the diagram earlier 1st Drekkena of Aries contains three Navamsas. So 1 Drekkana = 10 degrees. Also, 1 Navamsa = 1.11 Dasamas. Clearly there is overlap but the overlap is for different Vargas (areas of life). So even with an overlap it is independent ruler-ship! Beautiful!
The physical significance of Sun in Scorpio in Rashi as well as Sun in Scorpio in Navamsa is that the Sun is strong to give results indicated by Sun in Scorpio. If it falls in a different Navamsa then the strength changes accordingly. It also means during Sun-Mars and Mars-Sun period Sun in Scorpio results (ashtakavarga and other strengths permitting) will be more evident. If its in Scorpio amsa for many Vargas then it will be evident in more areas of life. Lets say Sun is in the 10th house Scorpio, it can mean a person who is an expert in dealing with weapons. Now if the 10th house falls in the Dasamsa of Scorpio again and Sun too falls in the same Dasamsa the results will be more evident. Of course the whole chart has to be seen for a full declaration.
Always keep in mind to check the chart for Arishta Yogas, Daridra Yogas etc first i.e. basically Yogas which can mar a horoscope. Otherwise one may be telling wonderful results and the native turns out to be a Rickshaw puller. Which is why everything comes down to Yogas (relationship of planets with each other) in a chart and their strengths. A stronger planet creates more powerful Yogas and a strong Yogakaraka (planet that can create Yogas single handedly) is a blessing.
For married life 2nd, 4th, 7th, 8th and 12th house (of Rashi) are seen in general. Strengths like Bhava bala can be seen for houses. Also the strength of a sign is related to the strength of the Sign lord, its respective placement from the sign and some aspects. For further refinement see what Navamsa do these houses fall in. Just like how Lagna falls in some Navamsa at the moment one is born all houses fall in some Navamsa (as all houses are rising at the same degree as Lagna). This is probably one of the reasons why divisions are drawn like Rashi chart, just see the 7th Navamsa (as you would see the 7th house in the Rashi) and its sign. This is the Navamsa where the 7th house falls.
For e.g. for 19th April 2013 12:57 PM Chennai 7th house of Capricorn falls in the Navamsa of Gemini i.e. two eunuch Signs/Planets have a say here. Of course there is no 7th house in Navamsa. So in this case 7th Lord Saturn in 4th house in Rashi results should be told but 7th lord Mercury in 12th house Navamsa results should Not be told. Now since Saturn falls in own Navamsa so the results of exalted 7th lord Saturn in 4th house are stronger.
Rathore
Lagna is the intersection point of the Earth and the heavens and moves fast because of Earth's rotation. Lagna is the fixed point. Sun and other planets are moving around it. This is from the perspective of an observer on Earth. Now these planets are transiting through the zodiac (as seen from Earth) which is divided into Houses, Rashis and further into Drekkanas, Navamsas, Dasamas etc. Which means different portions of the sky are ruled by different signs and these portions (hence ruler-ship) overlap. As in the diagram earlier 1st Drekkena of Aries contains three Navamsas. So 1 Drekkana = 10 degrees. Also, 1 Navamsa = 1.11 Dasamas. Clearly there is overlap but the overlap is for different Vargas (areas of life). So even with an overlap it is independent ruler-ship! Beautiful!
The physical significance of Sun in Scorpio in Rashi as well as Sun in Scorpio in Navamsa is that the Sun is strong to give results indicated by Sun in Scorpio. If it falls in a different Navamsa then the strength changes accordingly. It also means during Sun-Mars and Mars-Sun period Sun in Scorpio results (ashtakavarga and other strengths permitting) will be more evident. If its in Scorpio amsa for many Vargas then it will be evident in more areas of life. Lets say Sun is in the 10th house Scorpio, it can mean a person who is an expert in dealing with weapons. Now if the 10th house falls in the Dasamsa of Scorpio again and Sun too falls in the same Dasamsa the results will be more evident. Of course the whole chart has to be seen for a full declaration.
Always keep in mind to check the chart for Arishta Yogas, Daridra Yogas etc first i.e. basically Yogas which can mar a horoscope. Otherwise one may be telling wonderful results and the native turns out to be a Rickshaw puller. Which is why everything comes down to Yogas (relationship of planets with each other) in a chart and their strengths. A stronger planet creates more powerful Yogas and a strong Yogakaraka (planet that can create Yogas single handedly) is a blessing.
For married life 2nd, 4th, 7th, 8th and 12th house (of Rashi) are seen in general. Strengths like Bhava bala can be seen for houses. Also the strength of a sign is related to the strength of the Sign lord, its respective placement from the sign and some aspects. For further refinement see what Navamsa do these houses fall in. Just like how Lagna falls in some Navamsa at the moment one is born all houses fall in some Navamsa (as all houses are rising at the same degree as Lagna). This is probably one of the reasons why divisions are drawn like Rashi chart, just see the 7th Navamsa (as you would see the 7th house in the Rashi) and its sign. This is the Navamsa where the 7th house falls.
For e.g. for 19th April 2013 12:57 PM Chennai 7th house of Capricorn falls in the Navamsa of Gemini i.e. two eunuch Signs/Planets have a say here. Of course there is no 7th house in Navamsa. So in this case 7th Lord Saturn in 4th house in Rashi results should be told but 7th lord Mercury in 12th house Navamsa results should Not be told. Now since Saturn falls in own Navamsa so the results of exalted 7th lord Saturn in 4th house are stronger.
Rathore
Janaki,
I am somehow not getting your point. You have given 2 charts, where you have shown how 7th house periods have given serious relationships, which didn't turn into marriage, and then, you say that for marriage, and not for serious relations, 7th house is to seen! I guess, I am missing something in your post. Would be glad if you kindly explain the exact point you are trying to make.
I am somehow not getting your point. You have given 2 charts, where you have shown how 7th house periods have given serious relationships, which didn't turn into marriage, and then, you say that for marriage, and not for serious relations, 7th house is to seen! I guess, I am missing something in your post. Would be glad if you kindly explain the exact point you are trying to make.
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Yellow,
For the first chart, the starting of the relationship period was Rahu-Rahu which is a fifth (D-9) house period. (Now I am hesitating to write the houses in D-9 after going through this thread about not considering houses in divisions.) Transit of Jupiter was 7th from moon and the relation continued through 7th house period of jupiter. But marriage did not happen. Similarly for second chart though it was a 8 year long relation, marriage did not happen. But for 1st marriage 7th house period was there.
Why this question came in my mind is because my friend is going through a tough time. Her husband has had a break up before marriage and engagement also was broken. His 7th house is afflicted. Which shows the struggles she is going through. Her point was if his serious relation and engagement was broken then 7th house affliction has done it and for their marriage should it be considered as second marriage (related to 9th or 2nd house (I still think 2nd house can indicate second marriage). What I have tried to conclude is for her this marriage 7th house should be considered even though he has had serious relation break up or engagement break up. I hope I am clear now.
Here is one thread talking about second marriage period which I found while going through articles.
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... ge#p113129
For the first chart, the starting of the relationship period was Rahu-Rahu which is a fifth (D-9) house period. (Now I am hesitating to write the houses in D-9 after going through this thread about not considering houses in divisions.) Transit of Jupiter was 7th from moon and the relation continued through 7th house period of jupiter. But marriage did not happen. Similarly for second chart though it was a 8 year long relation, marriage did not happen. But for 1st marriage 7th house period was there.
Why this question came in my mind is because my friend is going through a tough time. Her husband has had a break up before marriage and engagement also was broken. His 7th house is afflicted. Which shows the struggles she is going through. Her point was if his serious relation and engagement was broken then 7th house affliction has done it and for their marriage should it be considered as second marriage (related to 9th or 2nd house (I still think 2nd house can indicate second marriage). What I have tried to conclude is for her this marriage 7th house should be considered even though he has had serious relation break up or engagement break up. I hope I am clear now.
Here is one thread talking about second marriage period which I found while going through articles.
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... ge#p113129
“Everything you can imagine is real.”
― Pablo Picasso
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Dear rathor ji,
Please tell some thing about following two horoscopes related to past and marital life
Dob(girl) : 29-June -1984
Time:17:45
Place:Jhansi
Dob(boy): 3-July-1981
Time:5:15 am
Place :firozabad
As many astrologers are having different views regarding there marriage please help
Please tell some thing about following two horoscopes related to past and marital life
Dob(girl) : 29-June -1984
Time:17:45
Place:Jhansi
Dob(boy): 3-July-1981
Time:5:15 am
Place :firozabad
As many astrologers are having different views regarding there marriage please help
Hello Rathore Sir,
Thank you for diverting my Question to this topic for the required answers.
I support and Understand Your Point of view now quite well indeed.
I had started a topic quite sometime back Stating a similar Proposition but not being a learned astrologer myself was lacking the right direction to justify my point.
The Thread Named -Important love yogas in yogas section.
Link to the same - http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... =4&t=12507
Here I have put forth why certain astrologers consider a strong fifth house to confer 'A LOVE MARRIAGE' to the native also known as 'GHANDHARVA VIVAH' in the olden times which can be as simple as exchanging of rose garlands.I wonder if the same can be said of todays registered love marriage.
However many questions of mine and others remains unanswered in that thread.
I would be happy if U could kindly answer a few of those questions as well.
Regards,
Rajeshwari.
Thank you for diverting my Question to this topic for the required answers.
I support and Understand Your Point of view now quite well indeed.
I had started a topic quite sometime back Stating a similar Proposition but not being a learned astrologer myself was lacking the right direction to justify my point.
The Thread Named -Important love yogas in yogas section.
Link to the same - http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... =4&t=12507
Here I have put forth why certain astrologers consider a strong fifth house to confer 'A LOVE MARRIAGE' to the native also known as 'GHANDHARVA VIVAH' in the olden times which can be as simple as exchanging of rose garlands.I wonder if the same can be said of todays registered love marriage.
However many questions of mine and others remains unanswered in that thread.
I would be happy if U could kindly answer a few of those questions as well.
Regards,
Rajeshwari.
Dear Rathore Sir,
What about Saptamsa as a Standalone chart.
Does'nt counting of Houses from 5th for a Female and 9th for a Male Native Hold True to judge the Sex of an Unborn Child?
Or must the Rasi Chart only be seen with respect to houses for the same calculation?
What about Saptamsa as a Standalone chart.
Does'nt counting of Houses from 5th for a Female and 9th for a Male Native Hold True to judge the Sex of an Unborn Child?
Or must the Rasi Chart only be seen with respect to houses for the same calculation?
Rajeshwari ji,rajji wrote:Hello Rathore Sir,
Thank you for diverting my Question to this topic for the required answers.
I support and Understand Your Point of view now quite well indeed.
I had started a topic quite sometime back Stating a similar Proposition but not being a learned astrologer myself was lacking the right direction to justify my point.
The Thread Named -Important love yogas in yogas section.
Link to the same - http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... =4&t=12507
Here I have put forth why certain astrologers consider a strong fifth house to confer 'A LOVE MARRIAGE' to the native also known as 'GHANDHARVA VIVAH' in the olden times which can be as simple as exchanging of rose garlands.I wonder if the same can be said of todays registered love marriage.
However many questions of mine and others remains unanswered in that thread.
I would be happy if U could kindly answer a few of those questions as well.
Regards,
Rajeshwari.
5th house represents policies, every day customs and traditions. An afflicted 5th house can lead one to denounce policies and every day customs and go for a love marriage. A love marriage is not in line with every day customs and traditions in India. 9th house (dharma/adharma) also have a say here.
Shrey ji - Astrology supports love marriage and when there is real love between a couple then matching need not be done as real love is considered auspicious. Just make sure the couple is truly in love and not just because its the trend now a days.
There are 5 kinds of marriages defined and a short definition (some say there are more):
1. Brahma : Gift of a daughter to a man learned in Veda and of good conduct who the father himself invites. For Brahmins.
2. Gandharva : Voluntary union of a maiden and her lover i.e. Love marriage. It may or may not be done in secrecy. For Kshatriyas.
3. Paisacha : Man seducing a girl in a sleeping, intoxicated state. For Vaishyas.
4. Rakshasa : Forcible abduction. For Shudras.
5. Amartya : Gift of a daughter to a priest who duly officiates at the sacrifice, during the course of its performance. Acceptable for all castes.
For more details refer to Manusmriti Chapter 3. These types of marriages are in a way connected to Varna (caste system) as indicated.
About the Vaishnavites not accepting Gandharva could be because they are Brahmins so only accept # 1. Kama sutra is about kama, so the believers accepting Gandharva makes sense. But overall this is just another conflict in opinion/beliefs between groups.
N number of Yogas can be given for love marriages but generally 5th, 7th, 9th, Ascendant (and their lords) are involved in creating such yogas. Please be careful in what you accept Astrology wise online as one may find opinions of people - which may or may not be correct. I noticed one of the Yogas you mentioned talks about Nakshatra parivartan. This concept is not mentioned in Classical texts.
Rathore
