Retrograde Jupiter

[armaan.Khanna]

Dear Fellow followers of Astrology,

I recently read that a Powerful Jupiter in it's own sign like Dhanu/Meena or in exaltation in karka & in a Good house like ascendant/9th can protect the native from all problems & bestow great blessings !!

However if this same Jupiter is retrograde then it loses all power to protect !

Is this true ?

there is lot of confusion regarding Retrograde planets.....

[2002diksha]

armaanji,
i have a powerful retrograde jupiter in lagna and my life up till now has been smooth. I have got whatever I wised for.
regards

[armaan.Khanna]

then what paap have I done ?

[elipsis]

A reasonably powerful Jupiter is the best sign for success. But when exalted Jupiter comes in contact with other planets a rare phenomenon known as "Utkarsha" (Kannada word) takes place. This means Jupiter gets over-excited due to exaltation and affliction. Then also in Pisces - Jupiter takes the form of "vega utkarsha" (speed) - Jupiter is subjected to speed and life becomes uncontrolled. Pisces is a very different sign where planets transiting are taking rebirths, so their action on your life is considerably greater. Jupiter himself says that in Pisces he will be subjected to "speed" due to Mercury so whatever happens is not is fault.

So the best placement for Jupiter is his own sign (Sagittarius) or friendly signs without retro.

[cosmic ray]

I have retro Jupiter in 10H in Tauras. Jupiter is 5L and 8L, the Rahu-Jup period was good. Gave great academic success.

Details:

DOB: 04 dec 1988
TOB: 00:20 am
POB: Ahmadabad, Gujarat, India

[armaan.Khanna]

@ Elipsis - you say Jupiter is good in Saggitatrius.... so what happens when retro ?

[elipsis]

In severe cases- ie, if the chart is badly afflicted - Retro Jupiter will give you appalling results, in most cases however - mixed results should be expected.

For Jupiter friendly ascendants - anterograde Jupiter in Sagittarius is responsible for building great character that will set the foundation to those you follow your blood line. Great cultured family and financial safety net.

[confusedOnceMore]

Hi elipsis,

Can you tell more about the effects of this "over-excited" Jupiter on the planets it is conjunct with/casts aspect on? For example, I have exalted retro Jupiter with moon in cancer. Now moon is afflicted as a result of degree conjunction with Ketu. Will Jupiter lower the effects of this affliction or enhance it?

Best Regards

[elipsis]

Yours isn't too bad but there is still some sort of affliction. Basically - excited Jupiter will cause accidents and unnatural deaths and with Rahu affliction can addle your mind to do violent acts on other people.

This is a chart of a mass murderer. Severe affliction to Jupiter can be seen here - he committed murders in Rahu-Jupiter dasa.

Date of Birth: 13.12.1987
Time: 21.04
Place: San Diego, CA. United States

[howzat]

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 15:19
This is a chart of a mass murderer. Severe affliction to Jupiter can be seen here - he committed murders in Rahu-Jupiter dasa.

Date of Birth: 13.12.1987
Time: 21.04
Place: San Diego, CA. United States

dear Elipsis - Rahu - Shani. he shot in Rahu - shani. Not Rahu - Guru.

[elipsis]

He was preparing for it since 2011.

[shilpa]

Dear All,


Firtsly:I have seen several cases of Retro Jupiter and not one of them was a murderer.

there must be other traits in the chart that make a person murderer.......

actually a murderer's chart can have a bad planetary placement and a bad period running and unfavorable transits.......but that alone also doesn't not make a murderer....there is free will involved in comitting murders.
I don't believe that Murder is a act fated by the god....accidents yes....but murders no.
Murderes are ghastly acts of free-will in bad charts running bad periods......neverthless a bad choice is made by an individual


Secondly:

Retro plantes are not bad.....they can be harsh but not blanket bad.
mathematically they give full 60 points of cheshtabala ( motional strength) to the planet thereby increasing the overall shadbala...hence the overall strenght of the planet.

Qulitaitaively.....Retrogradataion is simply unconventional and hence it brings out the unconventional qualities ( read strengths) of a planet.....
Retro Jupiter for example will give unconventional wisdom...such people will be wise even without formal eductaion......
retro Jupiterians and will find opportunities that a normal person will skip.
a retro Jupiter's moral sense will tend to believe that a person caught as a thief is innocent unless proven guilty.....
retro Ju will favour the underdog and go many steps out of the way to back unproven people purely on instincts.
"Instinctive" strength and ability to cut out emptions and analyze is also what retrogradation develops.

Retro shani bites badly especially when in transit....but there is an unconventional/ unusual justice that retro shani is passing when retro....I will write more about shani later...as this is the thread for Jupiter.

Regards

[howzat]

by howzat » 07 Feb 2013 16:23

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 15:19
This is a chart of a mass murderer. Severe affliction to Jupiter can be seen here - he committed murders in Rahu-Jupiter dasa.
Date of Birth: 13.12.1987
Time: 21.04
Place: San Diego, CA. United States

dear Elipsis - Rahu - Shani. he shot in Rahu - shani. Not Rahu - Guru.

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 16:41
He was preparing for it since 2011.

dear elipsis see in jyotish we are timing events at the time the event takes place. not when peoples are preparing for the event. for example many peoples are coming to this forum and asking for astrologers like when i am getting marry - when i am having child - when i am getting job - when i am going to foreign - when i am buying flat. like that.

how we are timing when person is falling sick and going to hospital? when event is occuring no? suppose one person is eating bhel puri and pani puri in steet corner everyday - he is not falling sick. the for one family function he is going on sliming and diet controls so he is not eating for 2 months. for function he is going to 5 star hotel. next day full ulti and he is admit to hospital. how to time the event?

for getting marry, having child, getting job going for foreign, peoples are planning for several months and sometimes they are putting sketch for several years. Jyotish game is to tell the event will occur not how long they are prepare and how long they are working for event.

what we can tell is that Guru who is 9l is with Rahu so Guru Chandala yoga + Maha pataka Yoga. more than that we cannot put blame for Guru. Correct no?

[howzat]

ah one more i want to say - see automatic just because graha is retro dont say he is having full cheshta bala. chesta bala is increasing as planet is become slow and slow. this we must keep in mind always.

[elipsis]

You are saying the time before the event is not important. Everything is important, one event triggers another event - cause and effect. In any case, he could have avoided it. Fate isn't binding on anyone, there are ways you can escape terrible outcomes. I honestly don't check the nakshatra dasa system - it is for forum's convenience that I had to extract the dasa dates. There are many people born on the same day and at the same time, but they never turned out to be murderers - which means some part of your actions is your own fault not the planets.

[howzat]

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 17:11
You are saying the time before the event is not important. Everything is important, one event triggers another event - cause and effect. In any case, he could have avoided it. Fate isn't binding on anyone, there are ways you can escape terrible outcomes. I honestly don't check the nakshatra dasa system - it is for forum's convenience that I had to extract the dasa dates. There are many people born on the same day and at the same time, but they never turned out to be murderers - which means some part of your actions is your own fault not the planets.

i am not say time before the event is not important - i am saying - will the event occur or not - and timing when the event will happen - that is the game of jyotish.

see elipsis we are planning 100 things and putting effort also for 100 things. jyotish is what? it is there to tell

1. do i have capacity to do that thing
2. if i do will i succeed or fail
3. if i succeed or fail - when that will happen.

just now you are using nakshatra dasha system and told guru is cause for his action. now you are saying nakshatra dasha system is not a good to check. what this.

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 17:11
In any case, he could have avoided it. Fate isn't binding on anyone, there are ways you can escape terrible outcomes. some part of your actions is your own fault not the planets

10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% correct. nicely you have told. but see planet is planting seed. we are seeing horoscope to judge the quality and quantity of good and bad seed. how much water we are putting for bad seed and how much for good seed to make into tree - for that pipe is in our hand. sometimes bad seed is so much - it is not possible for person to control anything.

[elipsis]

I know more reliable ways to predict the future than using the nakshatra dasa system. I used dasa system so that forum users can understand, sadly their knowledge on ancient astrology is too inadequate for me to explain complex bits.

Anyway, you cannot predict an event if you don't know what has happened before it. Which means, unless you ask some questions to that person you cannot deduce the outcome. Let's say for instance there are a couple of foreign career yogas in the chart - but the native's education is insufficient - this naturally creates a yoga-bhanga. The native cannot travel abroad in whatever dasa unless his prior karma is fulfilled.

So just because a yoga is present it does not mean it gets fulfilled in a lifetime. Bad or wrong karma can destory even the most powerful chart. This is exactly why - one must be careful when they study charts with exalted planets, they don't necessarily do good. For instance, exalted Jupiter and Mars can make a person celibate - this is because Jupiter is always subjected to over-exertion in Pisces and Cancer when he comes in contact with other planets, some lucky people escape the bad effects but that's because of their karma.

[confusedOnceMore]

Hi elipsis,

I didn't give you enough information perhaps. My Jupiter is conjunct moon and Ketu in cancer in 2nd house and aspected by sun, rahu and Saturn in Capricorn in 8th, where Ketu-moon and Saturn-rahu pairs are on the same degree in respective houses. So I've always assumed that the affliction was pretty serious, at least on moon if not Jupiter.
Given this, can you tell me how retro Jupiter affects the planets it is conjunct with or aspects. I ask because I've always assumed that Jupiter by itself reduces afflictions but I don't know if the same holds true for retro Jupiter...

Best regards

P.S I am not a misanthrope so I doubt that I will be cocking my guns anytime soon

[howzat]

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 17:45
I know more reliable ways to predict the future than using the nakshatra dasa system. I used dasa system so that forum users can understand, sadly their knowledge on ancient astrology is too inadequate for me to explain complex bits.

i dont know in whole of forum and world what is happening. but me with my very own hands and eyes i am doing the prediction and i am sharing the knowledge. so only i want to tell that - in my own style i have made many prediction using the simple style of Parashara. if love of members of forum is there and they are discuss their problem frank to frank, and then grace of god is there means we can able to predict anything.

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 17:45
Anyway, you cannot predict an event if you don't know what has happened before it. Which means, unless you ask some questions to that person you cannot deduce the outcome. Let's say for instance there are a couple of foreign career yogas in the chart - but the native's education is insufficient - this naturally creates a yoga-bhanga. The native cannot travel abroad in whatever dasa unless his prior karma is fulfilled.

correcty you are telling this points. i am full agree with you. specially what you know - today education not there means going for abroad is yoga bhanga only. but i will tell - many in dubai labour camp is not study well. even for me education is not much. but i am going to foreign. but work is hard manual works. not blue collar and all.

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 17:45
So just because a yoga is present it does not mean it gets fulfilled in a lifetime. Bad or wrong karma can destory even the most powerful chart.

here again i want to tell you are 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% correct.

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 17:45
This is exactly why - one must be careful when they study charts with exalted planets, they don't necessarily do good. For instance, exalted Jupiter and Mars can make a person celibate - this is because Jupiter is always subjected to over-exertion in Pisces and Cancer when he comes in contact with other planets, some lucky people escape the bad effects but that's because of their karma.

this i doesnt know. not seen in my experience. may be may not be. i cannot tell.

[howzat]

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 15:19
Yours isn't too bad but there is still some sort of affliction. Basically - excited Jupiter will cause accidents and unnatural deaths and with Rahu affliction can addle your mind to do violent acts on other people.
This is a chart of a mass murderer. Severe affliction to Jupiter can be seen here - he committed murders in Rahu-Jupiter dasa.
Date of Birth: 13.12.1987
Time: 21.04
Place: San Diego, CA. United States

elipsis only want small clarification - you told - he committed murder in Rahu / Guru. then you said

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 16:41
He was preparing for it since 2011.

so now how we must time the event? when he planned only we must take for granted that he is murderer or he is murderer after he commits murder?

also tell no in which other conditional dasha you can time this event properly. because you are saying that nakshatra dasha is not a good.

[2002diksha]

"I know more reliable ways to predict the future than using the nakshatra dasa system. I used dasa system so that forum users can understand, sadly their knowledge on ancient astrology is too inadequate for me to explain complex bits."

elipsisji,
As usual I would like to ask you regarding what you said.What are the other ways to predict the future. palmistry is one thing .What others ways you know. Or otherwise anything specific in astrology you would like to share regarding future.
regards

[elipsis]

Dasa system gives you a general picture, but you cannot accurately pinpoint events. The other method involves creating a chart called "Prashna" by asking questions to the native and readjusting the D1 and the D9 divisions. You can practice using charts of close friends to start with, ask few questions and determine the appropriate outcome and then readjust the planetary nodes, this requires a lot of study and practice.

There are also ways to deduce the chart using Swara Sastra (part of Chandogya Upanishad) and Nadi system, they are not strictly vedic.

[2002diksha]

elipsisji,
Can you suggest any good book or any material on net for learning this system.
regards

[elipsis]

I don't know any books that are available for sale. I learnt from a teacher who had manuscripts, he is like 95 so doesn't teach anymore.

But you can find books on Nadi system...try scribd.

[elipsis]

elipsis only want small clarification - you told - he committed murder in Rahu / Guru. then you said

by elipsis » 07 Feb 2013 16:41
He was preparing for it since 2011.

I should have written, Jupiter-Rahu conjunction made him plan for murder due to Pisces affliction of Jupiter (see previous posts). Also Jupiter-Rahu doesn't create murderers- because that means millions of people, in severe cases the native will be forced to make rash choices (frequent among drivers).