MAHAPURUSHA YOGA

[krishnendu12das]

As I said earlier Divisions are to be used only for the confirmation of yogas in D1. If you have a problem that cannot be adequately answered using D1 you should then refer to divisional charts that gives you a cripser perspective on different aspects of your life- D24 for education, D7 for progeny, D10 for profession and so on.

my 5th H in D1 is good and 5th L forming Sasa Mahapurush yoga but D7 is much afflicted . But still , since 5th H is strong , does it confirm progeny ?

12 aug 1984 , 11:47am , kolkata , india

[elipsis]

As I said earlier Divisions are to be used only for the confirmation of yogas in D1. If you have a problem that cannot be adequately answered using D1 you should then refer to divisional charts that gives you a cripser perspective on different aspects of your life- D24 for education, D7 for progeny, D10 for profession and so on.

my 5th H in D1 is good and 5th L forming Sasa Mahapurush yoga but D7 is much afflicted . But still , since 5th H is strong , does it confirm progeny ?

12 aug 1984 , 11:47am , kolkata , india

Well, Moon in the 5th house is causing you trouble- not the 5th lord, danista is normally associated with progeny issues in the 5th house. In D7 too you can see Saturn is afflicted by Sun. So 5th house is weak, it now depends on how powerful is 5th house and ketu is in your wife's chart. But you need to perform remedies related to your birthstar first.

[VioletTwilight]

Dear elipsis,

You mentioned that Mahapurusha yoga confers strong personality. However, it is unclear to me how one should go about assessing those personalities. For example, Jupiter has a 'personality' so to speak - He is supposedly deva guru, gives 'expansion' to everything, interested in knowledge, aspires to higher truths, etc. But reading 'Hamsa' Mahapurusha yoga from classical texts does not make sense how an 'enhanced' Jupiter could give that personality. (for example, loves water sports? I can understand Jupiter-water relationship as he exalts in Cancer and lords Pisces, but sports?)

Is there a reference that makes sense of other yogas as it did for "Sasa Mahapurusha" yoga?

Unless we understand what does it means to have a mahapurusha yoga, it gets confusing to separate the other strong karaka effects from a mahapurusha yoga effect. Is it simply a strong chart due to confluence of various beneficial aspects (I mean, strong LL, strong kendra-trikona lords relationship etc)? What differentiates a strong chart from a 'mahapurusha' yoga activated chart?

Thank you for sharing your knowledge patiently.
Best regards,
Violet

[elipsis]

Dear Violet,

MP yogas are detected in practice- you study people who have such yogas...Mahapurushas have strong persuasive abilities which they use to influence people around them or society in general. The reason why they are called Mahapurushas is purely because of their inner nature which is translated into activity, speech and their own desire to excel. They generally have authority over people around them, they make people depend on them- in their homes, workplace or in any sphere where they may be found. Lets take Hamsa Yoga, why is it attributed to Swan? You study how swans actually behave - our sages did it thousands of years ago. A swan is an overprotective bird that carefully guards her chicks and slowly teaches them the skills of survival. The male swan likes to keep the female one very close and away from danger, and it hides the chicks using its large wings whenever it senses danger. Though very mild in it's behavior - a swan can be as lethal as any other dangerous carnivore, people have drowned due to swan attacks. Swans are mostly herbivore and still likes to stay in water, it hates any human intervention - it likes its personal space. Its a very proud bird in general. Hamsa yoga symbolizes Jupiter- who is the epitome of knowledge and the protector of his clan, he protects all the saintly people and likes to keep his own family very close. A centaur is also a skilled archer who does not pick fights but can be very deadly if you provoke him. Jupiter is afraid of any social interaction and likes to stay among his own people, this is good as well as bad. He feels his knowledge gets polluted by outside influence, he is overprotective, paranoid and uses only his own personal experience to teach his clan. The knowledge of Jupiter is passed on from one generation to another and therefore one person alone cannot be responsible for the weight of knowledge they carry, credit goes to several generations. Jupiter looks young and dynamic with voice like that of a swan but he should never be taken for granted as he becomes unpredictable as hell. As you can see, he has a great level of control over people that depend on him- his own wisdom, looks, skills have aided him to keep them in control. Lets take one more yoga which is...

Bhadra Yoga symbolises Mercury. He never really had any training or skills. Jupiter abandoned him a long time ago just like sun abandoned saturn, so it became very difficult for him to surive. He tells people how to survive, he is clever but not knowledgable, he is intelligent but not commanding. He is what you call a 'gentleman' 'careful individual'. He pushes the limits of human intelligence to a new level, he looks at the big picture. The big picture is- life is tough and we have to survive anyway. So Mercury uses his verbal techniques to influence people such as higher authorities (like Sun), he is a great salesman and a minister. He does not look at the good or bad of any subject, his goal is to move forward, he can practically justify anything. For example: if you say smoking is bad for the country's health, he will probably reply 'why would you want to stop people who are voluntarily dying for your country?'. This is how he influences Kings, he brings rationality to his speech and wins arguments. But he also has a strong sense of insecurity - he doesn't really have true skills like that of Jupiter, he is just there to using his tactics and winning over people. He knows that, only because he has transcended human intelligence-there are higher things than mere intellect but as he gets older he gets mature and receives true knowledge. Atma (soul), Buddhi (intelligence) and Manas (mind)- all three resonate as one when Bhadra yoga is strong.

Regards

[kruze]

Dear Violet,

MP yogas are detected in practice- you study people who have such yogas...Mahapurushas have strong persuasive abilities which they use to influence people around them or society in general. The reason why they are called Mahapurushas is purely because of their inner nature which is translated into activity, speech and their own desire to excel. They generally have authority over people around them, they make people depend on them- in their homes, workplace or in any sphere where they may be found. Lets take Hamsa Yoga, why is it attributed to Swan? You study how swans actually behave - our sages did it thousands of years ago. A swan is an overprotective bird that carefully guards her chicks and slowly teaches them the skills of survival. The male swan likes to keep the female one very close and away from danger, and it hides the chicks using its large wings whenever it senses danger. Though very mild in it's behavior - a swan can be as lethal as any other dangerous carnivore, people have drowned due to swan attacks. Swans are mostly herbivore and still likes to stay in water, it hates any human intervention - it likes its personal space. Its a very proud bird in general. Hamsa yoga symbolizes Jupiter- who is the epitome of knowledge and the protector of his clan, he protects all the saintly people and likes to keep his own family very close. A centaur is also a skilled archer who does not pick fights but can be very deadly if you provoke him. Jupiter is afraid of any social interaction and likes to stay among his own people, this is good as well as bad. He feels his knowledge gets polluted by outside influence, he is overprotective, paranoid and uses only his own personal experience to teach his clan. The knowledge of Jupiter is passed on from one generation to another and therefore one person alone cannot be responsible for the weight of knowledge they carry, credit goes to several generations. Jupiter looks young and dynamic with voice like that of a swan but he should never be taken for granted as he becomes unpredictable as hell. As you can see, he has a great level of control over people that depend on him- his own wisdom, looks, skills have aided him to keep them in control. Lets take one more yoga which is...

Bhadra Yoga symbolises Mercury. He never really had any training or skills. Jupiter abandoned him a long time ago just like sun abandoned saturn, so it became very difficult for him to surive. He tells people how to survive, he is clever but not knowledgable, he is intelligent but not commanding. He is what you call a 'gentleman' 'careful individual'. He pushes the limits of human intelligence to a new level, he looks at the big picture. The big picture is- life is tough and we have to survive anyway. So Mercury uses his verbal techniques to influence people such as higher authorities (like Sun), he is a great salesman and a minister. He does not look at the good or bad of any subject, his goal is to move forward, he can practically justify anything. For example: if you say smoking is bad for the country's health, he will probably reply 'why would you want to stop people who are voluntarily dying for your country?'. This is how he influences Kings, he brings rationality to his speech and wins arguments. But he also has a strong sense of insecurity - he doesn't really have true skills like that of Jupiter, he is just there to using his tactics and winning over people. He knows that, only because he has transcended human intelligence-there are higher things than mere intellect but as he gets older he gets mature and receives true knowledge. Atma (soul), Buddhi (intelligence) and Manas (mind)- all three resonate as one when Bhadra yoga is strong.

Regards

Isnt jupiter a planet related to society?he is a jovial planet.the name jovial was derived from jupiters other name jove.people say it makes us mingle with society and socialisation is one of biggest strengths of jupiter.

[2002diksha]

elipsisji,
whatever knowledge you have given about the mahapurusha yoga is something very close to what is taught in management schools. so we can safely say that mahapurusha yoga will make people manage other people's life very easy. people with mahaprursha yoga can be good leaders and they can live in adverse conditions. not only can they survive in adverse conditions but steer others out of the unpleasant condition. what is the strongest possibility of mahapurusha yoga. or in other words how can we detect a unblemished mahapurusha yoga in the chart.mahapurusha yoga is so common yet not everyone has the personality traits promised by it.
regards

[Agora]

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[elipsis]

elipsisji,
whatever knowledge you have given about the mahapurusha yoga is something very close to what is taught in management schools. so we can safely say that mahapurusha yoga will make people manage other people's life very easy. people with mahaprursha yoga can be good leaders and they can live in adverse conditions. not only can they survive in adverse conditions but steer others out of the unpleasant condition. what is the strongest possibility of mahapurusha yoga. or in other words how can we detect a unblemished mahapurusha yoga in the chart.mahapurusha yoga is so common yet not everyone has the personality traits promised by it.
regards

You are right about managerial skills but any ability requires proper environment for it to flourish. The strongest indicator of mahapurusha is when quadrant lord conjuncts a trinal lord in a quadrant and then as I have explained earlier- the nakshatra lords have to be in positive signs. But you really have to meet these people in person or at least study famous personalities who has them. Only days ago, Manmohan Singh defended his decision over foreign retail investments, you don't see him holding a commanding position and yet he runs the show.

elipsisji,

What about Malavya yoga?
Can you explain in the same way u did for other types?

Regards

Venus brings feminine creativity to the table- good looks, charm, and most important of all social skills to drive men out of dominating areas of life. Venus does exactly what Jupiter hates. Its the sad truth but good looks and charm win over brilliance and skill.

[Agora]

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[elipsis]

It may not be powerful in your chart. If you are a man, you shouldn't try wearing a skirt

[2002diksha]

not everyone has the mahapurusha yoga but I have seen this yoga in charts of mundane peopel.

[2002diksha]

elipsisji,
sorry I am asking a question out of context. but this was important. if something good or great happens in the life of a child of 12 years old like getting admission to a good school then that event should be attributed to good dasha of the child's chart or good dasha of the parents chart.if something good happens to the father of the child then can we say that it was because of good placement of the ninth lord in the child's chart and simultaneously dasha of ninth lord running.kindly clarify
regards

[elipsis]

Dear diksha,

Every bit of it matters, good environment, good chart, parents, dasas and yogas are all assets for you to succeed in life, if either one of those is missing then you have to put up a struggle, Mahapurushas have this ability to digest their difficulties and prove that they are different- they come under Siddhi Jataka because such horoscopes assure elevation in life, they are the ones who change things in their life and life of their families- I've seen charts of people guarding footwear becoming rich and industrious, I have also seen a metric fail thrice becoming a famous heart surgeon. Waiter becoming Bank CEO, such is the power of personalities. Those that are already born happy and rich don't need goals to succeed in life and because their past life effort was good enough they are able to enjoy the present, so whatever goals they may have is only an added advantage.

Those that succeed very early in life are usually born in Dhruva Yoga, this is a nitya yoga which gives enormous freedom for you to start with, so your basic needs are already taken care of- all you have to do is prove yourself, if this yoga is supplemented by a powerful chart then then native is sure to become successful.

Best.

[elipsis]

Isnt jupiter a planet related to society?he is a jovial planet.the name jovial was derived from jupiters other name jove.people say it makes us mingle with society and socialisation is one of biggest strengths of jupiter.

He is a multi-dimensional personality learned in various arts, so you can describe in any way you like. He is after all a teacher who has created many personalities.

[2002diksha]

elipsisji,
I must say your posts are very informative and you present this vedic science in a very different way. can you write something about dhruva yoga. as you have written you have seen failures turning into succees. can you say what drives the charts of such persons. what is that commanding positions in their charts that despite successive failures they become success stories. so what is the USP of success in the charts of those people.
regards

[elipsis]

If you know the of the story of Dhurva you'll know what Dhruva yoga is all about. Young Dhruva wanted to be treated fairly like all others, he compared his life with another person and conflicts arose in his mind. He wanted to change that so he meditated upon the heart of Lord Vishnu and earned his right to rule the kingdom at the age of six.

In any strong chart, uncertainty and fear adds fuel to the character- their life is molded on experience. Thought process becomes systematic, learning from experiences and projecting that experience on others, manipulating people's thoughts and turning them in their favor and they never make the same mistake twice. A great man can never had a plain sailing life without any tides to throw him off balance but they never see them as failures, in fact they capitalize on failures.

Anyhow, Druva Yoga (Nitya yoga) and Kusuma Yoga (planetary comination) gives early success.

[VioletTwilight]

Dear elipsis,

Thank you for the detailed presentation. If I understand correctly, MP yoga is about leadership. These are the people who has to 'do something' with their life regardless of other circumstances, and others will try to follow their example. May be 'role models'?

The style of leadership is informed then, by the planet in question. A Jupiter leader will be kind but strict in matters of knowledge and heritage, a Mercury leader is makes jokes and even points to mistakes by satire, a Venus leader will be charming and makes you think that to sacrifice your time and effort is for your own good even if they benefit from it, a Mars leader is energetic and dynamic and impatient with slow movers, a Saturn leader will be stickler for details and manipulates you through fear if you are not thorough and hard working.

Could we say then, with MP yoga turned-on, a person can make others bend to his/her will (depending on the methods of the planet)? It shouldn't have much effect especially on wealth, health, prosperity, education, family life or other happiness. All those things are complimentary since the person can make everyone else listen to them.

This shows that Moon and Sun should be strong, otherwise the person won't show enough self-confidence to project as leader, or enough emotional-connection to care about other people.


" Venus does exactly what Jupiter hates."

I would take a guess that Jupiter is more friendly towards Mercury, but Mercury hates Jupiter's "protective" ways.

Best regards,
Violet

[Prakruthi]

I would take a guess that Jupiter is more friendly towards Mercury, but Mercury hates Jupiter's "protective" ways.

I am not as knowledgeable as elipsis, but I wish to add my two cents into this. I think it is the reverse. Mercury doesn't care much about Jupiter. Though he was driven off by Jupiter he respects Jupiter and his knowledge and hence he is neutral towards Jupiter. But Jupiter hates Mercury.

And elipsis, you continue to impress us with your knowledge and the way you understand things and share it with others. That was a remarkable post regarding Hamsa MP yoga and Bhadra MP yoga.

Thank you for sharing.

Regards,
Prakruthi

[elipsis]

Thank you prakruthi..

Guys, think of Mercury as an inexperienced version of Jupiter. A green mango tastes different from that of the yellow one- both are same fruit except one fruit is plucked early because people don't like to wait till that fruit ripens or they may have very well developed taste buds that cannot be satisfied by ordinary foods... Mercury is just like that- he learns the hard way until he ripens and becomes what a Mango is supposed to be. In practice, you really cannot differentiate between Mercury and Jupiter- Mercury can speak for hours on any subject without any knowledge of it and he can do it very convincingly. Jupiter speaks rarely but only the true knowledge but he has some reservations, he does not treat you as some random person- he treats you as a student. For any student, there is a set of procedures, rules and assignments which he has to follow- step by step to get a firm understanding on the subject. Jupiter being a teacher for life will be on your back for ever and there is no way you can opt out- he repeatedly pushes you to do your best- the very best, if not you do it over and over again, he only saves you at a point when you are really in trouble- but if you have a weak Jupiter he doesn't even bother helping you at any point. So understand his psychology, when you are drowning he will throw you a rope if not he watches you whine about how tragic your life has been, but if you succeed in your endeavors you will be rewarded like no other planet- he is the karaka for 2nd house so keep that in mind.

And lastly I want to say- never treat planets as if they are doing exactly what the chart says because they have their own independent mind. Your birth chart is living, breathing, changing, evolving and watching you all the time. The other day, revirbhav said "native's own karma that a planet gives negative effects" not the functional nature of the planet, this is a true statement and comes only by experience.

[elipsis]

Could we say then, with MP yoga turned-on, a person can make others bend to his/her will (depending on the methods of the planet)? It shouldn't have much effect especially on wealth, health, prosperity, education, family life or other happiness. All those things are complimentary since the person can make everyone else listen to them.

yes, MP is all about total-control which naturally translates to many different rewards of life. I can give you example of it: let me tell you about my friend in Canada, with an extremely strong Bhadra yoga- he was working in an automobile company, he made his boss so dependent on him that it was practically impossible to make any critical decisions without him, so the boss took him wherever he went- traveled all over the world, enjoyed 5 star hotels, parties and participated in business meetings as if its some light-weight work and finally my friend decided to marry boss'' daughter and forced him to take peaceful retirement without conflicts and took over his job last year.

[manya]

And lastly I want to say- never treat planets as if they are doing exactly what the chart says because they have their own independent mind. Your birth chart is living, breathing, changing, evolving and watching you all the time. The other day, revirbhav said "native's own karma that a planet gives negative effects" not the functional nature of the planet, this is a true statement and comes only by experience.

I too feel the same....

[VioletTwilight]

[quote="Prakruthi"]

I am not as knowledgeable as elipsis, but I wish to add my two cents into this. I think it is the reverse. Mercury doesn't care much about Jupiter. Though he was driven off by Jupiter he respects Jupiter and his knowledge and hence he is neutral towards Jupiter. But Jupiter hates Mercury.

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This reminds of an incident with one of my teachers. She was always on my case and I thought she hated me. But she wanted me to perform at my best. I didn't realize this till later when she was so proud of me.

From Mercury perspective, it might seem that Jupiter hates Mercury, and Mercury doesn't care much about Jupiter.

From Jupiter perspective, it would seem Jupiter is friendly towards Mercury but Mercury doesn't appreciate the interference.

elipsis has correctly pointed out that Mercury must learn the hard way and Jupiter is always trying to push everybody to be a good student. They are two sides of the same coin.

Best,
Violet

[basab14]

Akansha ji,

I feel the planets are doing exactly as a chart say, but we find it difficult a lot of times to understand what a chart exactly says.

[2002diksha]

sir,
I feel all the MP yogas are the same. they have the same way of affecting the native. whether it the badhra yoga or hamsa yoga or any other ,the end result of the MP yogas are just the same.planets are just a excuse to give a particular bent of mind to the native. every MP yoga I feel manifest in the same way.It requires a keen astrologer to determine which Mp yoga is functioning in the native.now I understand a strong and workholic personality is the result of MP yoga.
I was just wondering which is the planet responsible for making a person worldliwise. without worldliwiseness there is nor success in life. some learn this art early in life and taste success while for some others this art has to be self taught.In my opinion venus is the planet which gives a good worldliwiseness and helps a person to distinguish between good or evil. the art of interpersonal skill is given by venus I feel.
regards

[elipsis]

Dear Diksha,

You are right. But one thing cannot work without the other- all planets are equally responsible if you want to survive in this world.

Venus truly represents the creative side of human beings. Our brain has two parts ( http://www.innolance.com/blog/wp-conten ... n_xp11.jpg ) - left side is the logical side that determines anything based on facts and gives you the most rational answer. But how much you want it? Because if you push your logic to extreme lengths your view of the world naturally changes. The best way to live in this world is to live for ourselves and not care about others, don't care what happens to others as long as you get success....your heart says no. Do you really want success of the Vipareeta Raja Yoga? Because it brings you success after someone else's loses and that person might well be your brother or sister. So making logical choices here will create a breakdown in relationships, many people have this problem in real-life. So we need to tone down our logic and make it more practicable, that way we are more accepted in this world and that is where Venus comes into picture. Right side of our brain represents Creativity and when it is pushed to limits it naturally forms femininity. So everyone of us has a bit of that masculine (mars/Jupiter/sun) and feminine side(moon/Venus) but nothing really appears outside- it's the flow our mental work process. We have our own idea of life which we primarily define it by pleasure and luxury. Our idea of life is based on our creative thinking ability and Venus is really at a forefront when it comes to this.

Best