Anupam ji,
I agree with you completely. I felt something similar. There are many paths to God—and one should respect each and every path. Even Gita says that, though they brought up Gita only to mock the ritualistic path of worship. And then, I think it was wrong on their part to mock saints. Just because a few saints have been exposed as frauds doesn’t mean that all of them are like that. There are many genuine saints even now, I am sure. But in spite of all that, I liked the movie very much—maybe because it's about God.
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Dev,
You are right, spiritual people should not react, even when provoked. Krishnagopal ji and Anupam ji definitely are very spiritual. I am trying to be spiritual, but only a little bit as I have my materialistic dreams to fulfill, too.
You are right, spiritual people should not react, even when provoked. Krishnagopal ji and Anupam ji definitely are very spiritual. I am trying to be spiritual, but only a little bit as I have my materialistic dreams to fulfill, too.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
anupam1968 wrote:Dev,
I quarrel even today if I feel deep in my heart I am right but not on this forum. The reason is shadow boxing frustrate you too much and waste your energy. It is like someone punches you in the night and you retaliate in the morning.It is better to argument face to face and that I have been doing till now. In nutshell Krishna ji is far better.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Anupamji,
I have read this too that if the 5th lord is not connected with any planet, then it is good for spirituality. I think the same applies for Jupiter. The beauty of your chart is Jupiter’s placement in the 10th house as 5th lord and that, too, without any affliction. That’s why you are so spiritual. Jupiter in the 10th house shows that your karma in this life is to grow spiritual. My 5th lord is with Jupiter, and that way neither the 5th lord is free from the influence of any planet, nor Jupiter is free, and so I won’t be able to free myself from this material attachment.
I am not sure why Jupiter is not giving you wealth because as 2nd lord in the 10th house it should be favourable in that regard. 5th house is also a house of wealth, and its period should give wealth. I wonder what the logic is for 5th lord being alone not giving wealth as Yogi Bhaskarananda said.
About Mercury getting you into writing, I guess it’s because Mercury is in Gemini, which is the sign representing writing, and then Mercury itself signifies writing. I took interest in writing in my Jupiter and Saturn sub-periods as they are the 3rd and 5th lord respectively in my chart and shows writing. Your Jupiter being the 5th lord maybe have given you the interest in writing now—the Mercury sub-sub period maybe also is indicating it as you said.
I guess being the 8th lord in the 8th house Mercury has brought changes in your life, always in its periods. My 8th lord in the 8th house period has changed me to some extent, too, I will not deny.
I have read this too that if the 5th lord is not connected with any planet, then it is good for spirituality. I think the same applies for Jupiter. The beauty of your chart is Jupiter’s placement in the 10th house as 5th lord and that, too, without any affliction. That’s why you are so spiritual. Jupiter in the 10th house shows that your karma in this life is to grow spiritual. My 5th lord is with Jupiter, and that way neither the 5th lord is free from the influence of any planet, nor Jupiter is free, and so I won’t be able to free myself from this material attachment.
I am not sure why Jupiter is not giving you wealth because as 2nd lord in the 10th house it should be favourable in that regard. 5th house is also a house of wealth, and its period should give wealth. I wonder what the logic is for 5th lord being alone not giving wealth as Yogi Bhaskarananda said.
About Mercury getting you into writing, I guess it’s because Mercury is in Gemini, which is the sign representing writing, and then Mercury itself signifies writing. I took interest in writing in my Jupiter and Saturn sub-periods as they are the 3rd and 5th lord respectively in my chart and shows writing. Your Jupiter being the 5th lord maybe have given you the interest in writing now—the Mercury sub-sub period maybe also is indicating it as you said.
I guess being the 8th lord in the 8th house Mercury has brought changes in your life, always in its periods. My 8th lord in the 8th house period has changed me to some extent, too, I will not deny.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Anupamji,
So does this mean God is just a concept, and when we realize our self, we get freedom from the cycle of birth and death?How many may understand that. Large majority of the people may explain this as the desire of meeting with God but I know this is very far from truth. God has no importance here even a little bit. The outright desire is to meet with His beloved. Both want to unite to the core so that they will not separate ever. The union must be eternal not like the union of mortal husband and wife.
So does it mean that we can get the bliss of self-realization if we love someone deeply?From the bottom She is wailing and from the top He has had been shedding tears as a mad lover who has had been waiting for her since the very beginning but did not know what He was searching in this human body in this mortal world was nothing but a Mirage or the Illusion of this nature. The reality was always lying inside only He was ignorant or a big fool. This is mine conjunction of Mars-Venus Dev getting the aspect of full Moon in Saggittarius, the lord of 9th house.
But is this mortal world something different from your Inside and I would say a big 'No' from my side.
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"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Anupam:
Your qualities are already known to me from your first few posts, you yourself have stated and the style of writing shows it all. Yes, you are outspoken and give out what you have to immediately keeping nothing inside, this is the quality I like. No backbite or hidden agenda,if all remain this way, world will be a lot more peaceful
Dev
Your qualities are already known to me from your first few posts, you yourself have stated and the style of writing shows it all. Yes, you are outspoken and give out what you have to immediately keeping nothing inside, this is the quality I like. No backbite or hidden agenda,if all remain this way, world will be a lot more peaceful
Dev
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Anupam Ji,
I am neither far better! But non-reaction is the key which i found after a long long time Still sometimes i forget that and quarrel and later became guilty (old pattern!)
I am neither far better! But non-reaction is the key which i found after a long long time
Still sometimes i forget that and quarrel and later became guilty (old pattern!)Anupam ji,
If you do not mind can I have your details please, or better would be if you explain me your chart itself as i do not know astrology. But after reading all this, just for curiosity I am asking for your chart.
If you do not mind can I have your details please, or better would be if you explain me your chart itself as i do not know astrology. But after reading all this, just for curiosity I am asking for your chart.
I am letting go of the thoughts that do not make me strong.
[quote="anupam1968"]Dear Dev,
Thanks for remembering me. I am here again for a time being. First of all let me share why I have lost interest in writing or even sitting in front of mine computer. Now a days I am seeing I have lost interest in almost everything except in one thing and that is Mine 'Primordial Desire of Soul'.
The very aim for which I as a soul in this human body stepped on this earth in the time immemorial. But don't give it definition out of the scriptures or yogic literature known or unknown. Essence or bottom-line is the same but the way it is manifesting is completely different and may be hardly perceptible from common view point or written words. No doubt I am also hiding it a lot.
Astrologically this biggest transformation came to me as soon as I started mine Rahu-Jupiter at the last of Deember, 2011. As the time went by I came to realize that Jupiter landed me in the mess beyond explanation. Rao says Jupiter sprinkles Ganga water and purify everything, in my life it was not Ganga water but the Gangotri that emerged from mine inside and started removing every stain and presented mine aim of life for which which I have had been sailing through this seemingly unending ocean of human journey since the very beginning.
But unfortunately I did not know that before the onset of Jupiter Ad. I had a very faint glimpse but did not think ever to that extent where explanation becomes almost difficult since somewhere you have to drag a border-line.
Once that aim appeared out of the blue it left me dumbfounded thinking how it can be possible but gradually the truth started coming in front of mine eyes in its most naked form. Then I got to know that the Venus Md in which I took birth and that ended in mine 17th of year was not signifying females those live in this mortal world only but the very female who lives in the form of Kundalini at the end of mine spine to whom we refer as Shakti.
Things did not stop here it also dawned upon me that the conjunction of Mars-Venus in mine horoscope ,that is not praised in classics and present the native as a inherent philanderer or debauch can also signify the romance of Kundalini because if this Venus can signify Kundalini then Mars can indicate the primordial male who sits in the crown chakra in the middle of your head. The whole of our human journey is nothing but the union of these two.
You see both Rahu and Jupiter relate with mine mine fifth house of romance yes there is but that is internal. The romance of Kundalini with its half part. She is crying from the bottom that she wants to meet her beloved who lives in the middle of the head. All the pain, suffering, tormentation, even the hopelessness that will they every meet, as happens in two lovers, are taking place in mine inside. It literally crumbled me into pieces so many times during last 10 months.
How many may understand that. Large majority of the people may explain this as the desire of meeting with God but I know this is very far from truth. God has no importance here even a little bit. The outright desire is to meet with His beloved. Both want to unite to the core so that they will not separate ever. The union must be eternal not like the union of mortal husband and wife.
From the bottom She is wailing and from the top He has had been shedding tears as a mad lover who has had been waiting for her since the very beginning but did not know what He was searching in this human body in this mortal world was nothing but a Mirage or the Illusion of this nature. The reality was always lying inside only He was ignorant or a big fool. This is mine conjunction of Mars-Venus Dev getting the aspect of full Moon in Saggittarius, the lord of 9th house.
But is this mortal world something different from your Inside and I would say a big 'No' from my side. I think I should stop right here and may explain a little bit more if God may wish so. Even this writing of post is His wish. Suddenly I remembered your post and got motivated to write something today. Mine writing can be a little bit confusing today. Let it be.[/quote]
What a lovely post! I can relate myself to almost everything in terms of the internal struggle that is indited in this post. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experiences.
Regards,
Prakruthi
Thanks for remembering me
. I am here again for a time being. First of all let me share why I have lost interest in writing or even sitting in front of mine computer. Now a days I am seeing I have lost interest in almost everything except in one thing and that is Mine 'Primordial Desire of Soul'.The very aim for which I as a soul in this human body stepped on this earth in the time immemorial. But don't give it definition out of the scriptures or yogic literature known or unknown. Essence or bottom-line is the same but the way it is manifesting is completely different and may be hardly perceptible from common view point or written words. No doubt I am also hiding it a lot.
Astrologically this biggest transformation came to me as soon as I started mine Rahu-Jupiter at the last of Deember, 2011. As the time went by I came to realize that Jupiter landed me in the mess beyond explanation. Rao says Jupiter sprinkles Ganga water and purify everything, in my life it was not Ganga water but the Gangotri that emerged from mine inside and started removing every stain and presented mine aim of life for which which I have had been sailing through this seemingly unending ocean of human journey since the very beginning.
But unfortunately I did not know that before the onset of Jupiter Ad. I had a very faint glimpse but did not think ever to that extent where explanation becomes almost difficult since somewhere you have to drag a border-line.
Once that aim appeared out of the blue it left me dumbfounded thinking how it can be possible but gradually the truth started coming in front of mine eyes in its most naked form. Then I got to know that the Venus Md in which I took birth and that ended in mine 17th of year was not signifying females those live in this mortal world only but the very female who lives in the form of Kundalini at the end of mine spine to whom we refer as Shakti.
Things did not stop here it also dawned upon me that the conjunction of Mars-Venus in mine horoscope ,that is not praised in classics and present the native as a inherent philanderer or debauch can also signify the romance of Kundalini because if this Venus can signify Kundalini then Mars can indicate the primordial male who sits in the crown chakra in the middle of your head. The whole of our human journey is nothing but the union of these two.
You see both Rahu and Jupiter relate with mine mine fifth house of romance yes there is but that is internal. The romance of Kundalini with its half part. She is crying from the bottom that she wants to meet her beloved who lives in the middle of the head. All the pain, suffering, tormentation, even the hopelessness that will they every meet, as happens in two lovers, are taking place in mine inside. It literally crumbled me into pieces so many times during last 10 months.
How many may understand that. Large majority of the people may explain this as the desire of meeting with God but I know this is very far from truth. God has no importance here even a little bit. The outright desire is to meet with His beloved. Both want to unite to the core so that they will not separate ever. The union must be eternal not like the union of mortal husband and wife.
From the bottom She is wailing and from the top He has had been shedding tears as a mad lover who has had been waiting for her since the very beginning but did not know what He was searching in this human body in this mortal world was nothing but a Mirage or the Illusion of this nature. The reality was always lying inside only He was ignorant or a big fool. This is mine conjunction of Mars-Venus Dev getting the aspect of full Moon in Saggittarius, the lord of 9th house.
But is this mortal world something different from your Inside and I would say a big 'No' from my side. I think I should stop right here and may explain a little bit more if God may wish so. Even this writing of post is His wish. Suddenly I remembered your post and got motivated to write something today. Mine writing can be a little bit confusing today. Let it be.
[/quote]What a lovely post! I can relate myself to almost everything in terms of the internal struggle that is indited in this post. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experiences.
Regards,
Prakruthi
[quote="Yellow"]Anupamji,
I am not sure why Jupiter is not giving you wealth because as 2nd lord in the 10th house it should be favourable in that regard. 5th house is also a house of wealth, and its period should give wealth. I wonder what the logic is for 5th lord being alone not giving wealth as Yogi Bhaskarananda said.
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In my humble opinion, this could be because 10th house is the 12th from the 11th house, which is the house of gains, income and wealth. Jupiter in the 10th which is 12th from the 11th, is sort of hidden interms of income and gains and he is not concerned about materialistic pursuits. More over you also said jupiter is also the second house lord. Second house is the house of wealth, family, speech, voice,food and assets and 10th house is the 9th from second and when second lord is placed in this house, it would make the native more religious, spiritual, search for knowledge about god, higher studies(if jupiter is involved it might signify deeper knowledge of vedas, puranas and spiritual wisdom). Now since this position is the 9th from the 2nd and 12th from the 11th house and more specifically it involves a saatvik jupiter who is a master of moksha and dharma thathpurusha and who is not comfortable with kaama and artha, it could be infered that the native would not be interested in running behind money.
Now the wealth and income of the native would largely depend on the benefic aspect, placement and argalas of other planets, specifically planets like venus, mars, saturn or kethu (who should be benefics or neutral functionally) on the 2nd and 11th houses and other yogas in the native's horoscope.
I apologize if my understanding is totally absurd.
Regards,
Prakruthi
I am not sure why Jupiter is not giving you wealth because as 2nd lord in the 10th house it should be favourable in that regard. 5th house is also a house of wealth, and its period should give wealth. I wonder what the logic is for 5th lord being alone not giving wealth as Yogi Bhaskarananda said.
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In my humble opinion, this could be because 10th house is the 12th from the 11th house, which is the house of gains, income and wealth. Jupiter in the 10th which is 12th from the 11th, is sort of hidden interms of income and gains and he is not concerned about materialistic pursuits. More over you also said jupiter is also the second house lord. Second house is the house of wealth, family, speech, voice,food and assets and 10th house is the 9th from second and when second lord is placed in this house, it would make the native more religious, spiritual, search for knowledge about god, higher studies(if jupiter is involved it might signify deeper knowledge of vedas, puranas and spiritual wisdom). Now since this position is the 9th from the 2nd and 12th from the 11th house and more specifically it involves a saatvik jupiter who is a master of moksha and dharma thathpurusha and who is not comfortable with kaama and artha, it could be infered that the native would not be interested in running behind money.
Now the wealth and income of the native would largely depend on the benefic aspect, placement and argalas of other planets, specifically planets like venus, mars, saturn or kethu (who should be benefics or neutral functionally) on the 2nd and 11th houses and other yogas in the native's horoscope.
I apologize if my understanding is totally absurd.
Regards,
Prakruthi
Dear Anupam,
Surprised to know how some posts are disappearing all of a sudden. Moderator may pl look into this.
I gave a detailed reply to this post already but now it is lost.
Your experience is very interesting and unique. It is beyond imagination for me at the moment and I can only relish your writings trying to imagine the situations.
Yours is a rapid growth or jump towards realisation. That is great.
Your Rahu-Jupiter has begun to bring changes in your case, jupiter has helped you in your realisation in a big way.
Very interesting to note that you call the very female who lives in the form of Kundalini.
That is because of Mars-Venus Dev getting the aspect of full Moon as you say, it seems.
Pl continue to share all your experiences and it is valuable for many.
Dev
Surprised to know how some posts are disappearing all of a sudden. Moderator may pl look into this.
I gave a detailed reply to this post already but now it is lost.
Your experience is very interesting and unique. It is beyond imagination for me at the moment and I can only relish your writings trying to imagine the situations.
Yours is a rapid growth or jump towards realisation. That is great.
Your Rahu-Jupiter has begun to bring changes in your case, jupiter has helped you in your realisation in a big way.
Very interesting to note that you call the very female who lives in the form of Kundalini.
That is because of Mars-Venus Dev getting the aspect of full Moon as you say, it seems.
Pl continue to share all your experiences and it is valuable for many.
Dev
This is the reason I have lost interest in astrology. It's very difficult to predict seeing a chart what is destined for the person it belongs to.For example a person with the same placements of planets, as per mine, got love marriage, was a MBBS doctor, was on life saving drugs, had fragile-lean physique, and had visited abroad too. However, these all do not relate to mine life. My life is 180 degree apart from him. He got birth at 17.05 and I at 17.10 that was the only difference.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
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deeps
No two destinies are same.For example a person with the same placements of planets, as per mine, got love marriage, was a MBBS doctor, was on life saving drugs, had fragile-lean physique, and had visited abroad too. However, these all do not relate to mine life. My life is 180 degree apart from him. He got birth at 17.05 and I at 17.10 that was the only difference.
Like for instance, consider 10th lord in 12th house for twins. For one twin, it will mean that career in abroad and for the other twin, it can mean career in hospitals. Period.
Deeps,deeps wrote:No two destinies are same.
Like for instance, consider 10th lord in 12th house for twins. For one twin, it will mean that career in abroad and for the other twin, it can mean career in hospitals. Period.
How will you know which one will happen? If we can't know which one is going to happen, we can't predict the future correctly with the help of astrology.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Anupam ji,
Navamsha, though a divisional chart, is a very important chart. I remember reading in K.N. Rao's book that if rashi chart gets 3.5 points, then navamsha gets 3 points. So that shows its importance very well.
Navamsha, though a divisional chart, is a very important chart. I remember reading in K.N. Rao's book that if rashi chart gets 3.5 points, then navamsha gets 3 points. So that shows its importance very well.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
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deeps
we are not God and can never be God. We are the sons of Satan.Deeps,
How will you know which one will happen? If we can't know which one is going to happen, we can't predict the future correctly with the help of astrology.
I will use the theory of probability here.
Anupamji,
It’s true that it’s very difficult to understand what ‘love’ truly means. A person may after seeing some romantic movies or after reading some romantic novels or after going on a few dates with a girl and celebrating Valentine’s Day with her start thinking that he knows everything about love, but then it may not always be so. Love has a different meaning if understood deeply, I am sure, and it’s no wonder that I am curious to know about it, as I am running the period of Venus, the planet of love, in the 8th house of depth, so I will be really happy if you shed some light on it, so that I am no more in dark on it.
Coming to the person I have chosen may not be the person God has chosen for me, how can one find that out? Now, if you don’t tell me the answer to that then maybe I will not find the answer ever.
I don’t think Dev will be angry if you write on love because it’s a new topic, which you have not written on, earlier and so he would be as much interested to know on it as I am. About the moderators, they may create some trouble, but then, as you are running the period of 5th lord, they maybe will be sympathetic towards you.
About not running after anybody, but running towards each other, well I agree with you on this, completely. I don’t know if I am destined to walk on this adventurous path in the near future or not because I have lost the chance in my last sub-period of Saturn, which was the 5th lord of love. If you don’t want to write further on this topic, I will definitely understand
It’s true that it’s very difficult to understand what ‘love’ truly means. A person may after seeing some romantic movies or after reading some romantic novels or after going on a few dates with a girl and celebrating Valentine’s Day with her start thinking that he knows everything about love, but then it may not always be so. Love has a different meaning if understood deeply, I am sure, and it’s no wonder that I am curious to know about it, as I am running the period of Venus, the planet of love, in the 8th house of depth, so I will be really happy if you shed some light on it, so that I am no more in dark on it.
Coming to the person I have chosen may not be the person God has chosen for me, how can one find that out? Now, if you don’t tell me the answer to that then maybe I will not find the answer ever.
I don’t think Dev will be angry if you write on love because it’s a new topic, which you have not written on, earlier and so he would be as much interested to know on it as I am. About the moderators, they may create some trouble, but then, as you are running the period of 5th lord, they maybe will be sympathetic towards you.
About not running after anybody, but running towards each other, well I agree with you on this, completely. I don’t know if I am destined to walk on this adventurous path in the near future or not because I have lost the chance in my last sub-period of Saturn, which was the 5th lord of love.
If you don’t want to write further on this topic, I will definitely understand"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
Oh, so when the probability is 50:50 you will toss a coin to know what prediction you will give?deeps wrote:I will use the theory of probability here.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
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deeps
Toss a coin? That's the childish thing. I will apply the law of large numbers to provide predictionsYellow » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:19 pm
Oh, so when the probability is 50:50 you will toss a coin to know what prediction you will give?
Dear Anupam:
Yes, true that divisional chart plays more important role than just rasi and navamsa especially when you have to distinguish between twins and also may be for individual horoscopes too because when the two twin sisters are so different, then from individual horoscope ie rasi chart, such prediction cant be made.
This is a lesson to those who say -I will predict only with rasi chart and dont need even navamsa.
Dev
Yes, true that divisional chart plays more important role than just rasi and navamsa especially when you have to distinguish between twins and also may be for individual horoscopes too because when the two twin sisters are so different, then from individual horoscope ie rasi chart, such prediction cant be made.
This is a lesson to those who say -I will predict only with rasi chart and dont need even navamsa.
Dev
