Aspect Table In J Hora

[jolli]

Respected Members

I have this question, answer for which i am not able to find in existing threads.

With regard to "Aspect Table With Relationship" in SW J Hora,

(1) Every planet seem to have some kind of aspect to other planets and houses.
(2) The Aspect value ranges from 0 to 100,
(3) 0 and 100 are quite easy to understand.
(4) What about other values e.g 45 or 78. how good enough are they.

Request comments to help understand this.

Regards

[howzat]

Dear Jolli,

we are consider only full aspect - not partial aspect. all planets is having partial aspects. but we are not consider it.

i will give example - in jyotisha we are consider sun as having only 7th aspect. but real is what you know? it is having 75 percent power aspect on 4 and 8th from where he is sitting. 50 percent power aspect is there on 5 and 9. also - sun is having 25 percent power aspect on 3 and 10 from where he is sitting.

what J hora aspect table with relationship - is doing - it is consider all partial aspect also. but best is we see only full aspect.

understood no. very good.

ah - maximum alloted is 60 points ok.

[Prakruthi]

Namashkar Howzat ji,

I understand the Parashara's formula of evaluation of aspects in a certain degree range rather than on a specific house, but I did not understand what you meant here. Can you please explain this? If a planet is aspecting any house in the JHora software, should we consider it as an effective aspect for analysis only if the aspect is greater than 60%?

Is that what you are saying? Also, I am really confused with the aspect (graha drishti) of Rahu and Ketu? Some texts say rahu aspects 5th, 7th and 9th, but rahu being so close to Saturn, shouldn't it be aspecting 3, 7 and 10 just like saturn? Also shouldn't kethu be aspecting the same as Mars? 4, 7 and 8? Please explain me the accepted and standard aspects of rahu and kethu.

Thank you

Regards,
Prakruthi

[ChandraLagna]

Most classical texts implicitly take the partial, i.e. non-7 aspects into consideration.

This is why we have Yogas defined where planets are in Kendras relative to each other, or a house. The principle is the same.

When we look at kendras, or konas to a house as being supportive of those functions, we do in fact are considering precisely the partial aspects.

[Prakruthi]

Namashkar ChandraLagna ji,

Your comment further adds up to the list of unanswered queries that I already have. So, what is your conclusion on the aspects displayed in JHora software? Should we take everything into consideration or should we take aspects which are above certain percentage to be aspects worth considering? If so, what is the optimal(base line) percentage?

Also, what is your take on the aspect of the nodes?

Sorry if it sounds too basic, but I am just stuck up on this and I would like to get this basic fact clear before I proceed further in my learning.

Thank you

Regards,
Prakruthi

[howzat]

dear prakruthi

you are asking correct question.

what you know - J hora has two type planetary evaluation. one is in in basic information section - and another is in coming when we are right clicking on chart. one he is showing strength in points. 60 is maximum. like that in basic information section he is expressing strength in percentage.

now respected moderator is saying - Most classical texts implicitly take the partial, i.e. non-7 aspects into consideration.

take example gaja kesari yoga. guru is in kendra from moon means - gaja kesari yoga is there. say moon is in 4h and guru in 7H from lagna - consider partial aspect means - moon is putting 75 percent aspect on Guru. Guru is giving only 25 percent aspect on 10 - so he is giving only 25 percent aspect on moon. what is logic? if guru put powerful aspect on moon means then some meaning is there for gaja kesari yoga. moon put aspect means what is point. like this and we cant do. till today in one book also i not see anybody use partial aspect.

now put ulta - put guru in 4H and Moon in 7 - guru is giving 75 percent aspect on moon. now we can say - some gaja kesari yoga is there.

Jataka parijata what he told - chapter 7 116 told - When Jupiter occupies a Kendra from the Moon, the yoga produced is called Gajakesari.

anywhere told ah? - guru must be in 4 and moon must be in 7 - or moon must be in 4 and guru in 7. like this nowhere told. only told kendra they must be from each other.

in book - enigmas in astrology - no where respected K.N.Rao Saheb told anywhere that partial aspect is reason and so yoga is happening means.

i told in starting only that partial aspect is there for all planets - but we are using 7 for all planets - 3 7 10 for Shani - 4 7 8 for Kuja and 5 7 9 for guru. Till today - in my experience - i not seen any astrologer using partial aspect. If anybody used means - please tell. I want to learn.

i am asking - in prediction - how many times astrologer - is using partial aspect of sun moon mercury ? in jyotisha we are consider sun as having only 7th aspect. but real is what you know? it is having 75 percent power aspect on 4 and 8th from where he is sitting. 50 percent power aspect is there on 5 and 9. also - sun is having 25 percent power aspect on 3 and 10 from where he is sitting.

i am asking - how many times - we considered 75 percent power aspect on 4 and 8 from surya? like this do means - you cannot make demarkation only.

[ChandraLagna]

@Prakuthi - namaskara.

I can tell you what I do, you are free to accept it, modify and use, or reject it.

The degrees are something I consider.

Lets say Jupiter in Aries @ 1 deg and Moon at 29 deg in Leo [ extreme example, for illustration sake]. Even though they are 1-5 relationship house-wise, the aspect is weak, so I tend to ignore.

Kendras and Konas are typically what I consider - leaving aside Saturn which has a strong 3rd aspect.

Rahu & Ketu being mathematical points have no aspects and this is what I have followed for many years. Recently however, when a very respected and experienced astrologer explained about 2, 5, 9 aspects of Rahu, I tend to give it a second thought, which is where I am currently.

@Howzat: Nimagu namaskara.

Ah, very good example. As a matter of fact, I had Saraswati yoga in mind for kendra example, but there are other yogas too.

Again, feel free to follow K N Rao Saheb. I am just writing what I follow. OK? Bye.

[howzat]

by ChandraLagna » 01 Dec 2012 17:10
@Prakuthi - namaskara.
I can tell you what I do, you are free to accept it, modify and use, or reject it.
The degrees are something I consider.
Lets say Jupiter in Aries @ 1 deg and Moon at 29 deg in Leo [ extreme example, for illustration sake]. Even though they are 1-5 relationship house-wise, the aspect is weak, so I tend to ignore.
Kendras and Konas are typically what I consider - leaving aside Saturn which has a strong 3rd aspect.
Rahu & Ketu being mathematical points have no aspects and this is what I have followed for many years. Recently however, when a very respected and experienced astrologer explained about 2, 5, 9 aspects of Rahu, I tend to give it a second thought, which is where I am currently.

@Howzat: Nimagu namaskara.
Ah, very good example. As a matter of fact, I had Saraswati yoga in mind for kendra example, but there are other yogas too.
Again, feel free to follow K N Rao Saheb. I am just writing what I follow. OK? Bye.

i will tell one joke -

recent barak obama became president again.

all big big astrologer analysed horosope before election. what they told - obama is winning. PVRN Saheb told - sasa yoga is main yoga and he will win.

what he told you know? you see down -

Though most others who predicted this election outcome predicted a Romney victory, this is one prediction I was quite confident of. I did not complicate this prediction by using any complex techniques. I just used rasi chart, Vimsottari dasa and transits from Moon, like I used to do 18-19 years back (as done by my father).

in tradition astrology - we are taking one rasi = 1 bhava. like that aspect is also for shani 3 7 10. that means - from where shani is sitting - from there - he is aspecting - 3 7 10 rasi = bhava.

sasa yoga is there in Barack chart. dasha is shani shani shani. shani in lagna - means he is aspect 10 rasi = 10 bhava.

best is what joke you know - in planetary aspect evaluation in J hora - shani is aspect 9 bhava - not 10 bhava. not one person is commented about this till today. i am seeing this before election. i am thinking - what this nonsense - doing traditional prediction - saying barack is winning. he is winning. khel katham - paisa hazam.

just like you are writing what you follow - like that only i am writing what i follow. it is nice no - to know - what each other is follow?

another best joke i will tell see - for predicting win - PVRN saheb used transit - he told - from natal moon - shani is in 6H - in exaltation - so he will win.

Obama became president in the dasa of Jupiter in lagna. His Saturn dasa started recently. With Saturn giving Shasha Mahapurusha yoga and currently transiting in the 6th house (in exaltation!) from natal Moon, it made no sense that Saturn-Saturn antardasa would give a big setback.

put in bhava chart means - moon not exalted in 5 bhava - he is exalt in 4 bhava. so as per transit - he is in 7/7 - not 6H. correct no? 4th bhava is aries - in transit - shani in Tula - so 7/7 - how Rao saheb is telling - shani is exalted in 6 H?

PV Rao saheb is giving all new new idea - but when doing prediction - he is using safe tested rules only.

like that. i am also writing what i follow

ok bye

[Yogi7]

Hozwzat Ji,
Would like to know your view on Rahu/Ketu aspects and aspects of Retrograde planets in Natal chart.

[howzat]

friends, one nice story i will tell - see down

Swamy vivekananda you make his horoscope - 12 january 1863 6.33 AM calcutta - LMT

you see houses - bhava setting - sripathi - asc is starting point

K.N.Rao Saheb write one book - dips into divinity astrology and history - in that - he is writing about swami vivekananda - there he explained why he got Viragya. he is explaining that - because Shani and Moon is in 10th house - this is a combination for Viragya. then he further says - this shani aspects 12th house and Rahu which is house of salvation.

then sir is explaining why swamy had plesent speech and enviable eloquence - sir said this is because of budha and venus in 2nd house of speech. he is also asking reader to note exchange between shani and budha.

then sir is explaining - jupiter mars mutual aspect gave hot temper couragous outburst in speaking and writing -

now put same horoscope in bhava chart -

sun shukra budha go to lagna
moon shani go to 9 house.
kuja is moving to 3 house
ketu is going to 5 - guru is going to 9.


see - respected K.N.Saheb - did not use the Bhava chart. he used the Rasi chart. did not take aspect evaluation and all - just doing basic astrology - and explain in very clear manner why swamy Vivekananda is getting success in mission.

I am not telling respected Moderator way is wrong. he is thinking i am saying like that. if he is getting result means then very good no. i am just telling - that this is my way of analyse horoscope. everybody can choose what they want.

ok bye.

[howzat]

by Yogi7 » 01 Dec 2012 22:47

Hozwzat Ji,
Would like to know your view on Rahu/Ketu aspects and aspects of Retrograde planets in Natal chart

dear yogi7 - rahu ketu i am taking mutual aspect - means ketu aspect on rahu - rahu on ketu. rest i am not taking. retrograde planet - standard aspect. if budha retrograde in aries means - he is aspecting libra. that is all.

[howzat]

http://www.journalofastrology.com/artic ... cle_id=431

here see what respected COL. AK GOUR saheb said -

Obama- Obama’s Ninth Lord is Mercury. It is aspecting the Ascendant and Ascendant Lord Saturn in the Ascendant. Saturn is the Ninth Lord from the Moon. Two Ninth Lords Mercury and Saturn are in mutual aspect- we know Obama is very lucky.

if you put bhava chart - budha is moving to 6th bhava. in bhava chart saturn becomes 10 lord from moon. now you only decide - bhava chart is working or not.

in same article -

COL. AK GOUR saheb said - OBAMA- The Dasha on 6th November, 2012 will be –
Vimshottari- Sat/Sat/Sat
Char Dasha- Cap/Libra
Saturn is the Lagna Lord of Obama. Saturn is aspecting the 10th house.

see planetary evaluation in J hora - aspect is showing for 99.92 percent 9th bhava - not 10th bhava.

which is correct - you peoples only do conclusion.

[Inderjeet]

Hi all...

Bhava chalit chart shows a much deeper and clearer picture than the D-1 chart. If you examine bhava chalit chart alongwith the nakshatras and sub-lords of planets apart from D-1 chart, you may not need to see the divisional charts at all, and in my very brief experience, I have found it to be working quite well. There is a book 'Accurate Predictive Astrology' by Sri Umang Taneja. The concepts mentioned in the book are on the basis of Bhava Chalit chart and found to be working quite well. Surprisingly, this book is very famous among astrologers in Spain.

Retrogression does not give any special aspect to a planet.

Rahu and Ketu also have 5 and 9 aspect and found to be working quite well. In fact, 7 aspect of Rahu or ketu is considered only if any or both them are conjunct with any other planet. If both are alone, they will always have 7 aspect on each other which is obvious.

Chart of Swami Vivekananda is most controversial chart, with two charts of different lagnas floating on internet, examined by two esteemed gurus of astrology and in both cases reaching the same conclusion (it is like fitting already known timeline of events into charts). At least one and who knows both the charts are incorrect.

Best wishes
Inderjeet

[howzat]

by Inderjeet » 02 Dec 2012 11:06
Bhava chalit chart shows a much deeper and clearer picture than the D-1 chart. If you examine bhava chalit chart alongwith the nakshatras and sub-lords of planets apart from D-1 chart, you may not need to see the divisional charts at all, and in my very brief experience, I have found it to be working quite well. There is a book 'Accurate Predictive Astrology' by Sri Umang Taneja. The concepts mentioned in the book are on the basis of Bhava Chalit chart and found to be working quite well. Surprisingly, this book is very famous among astrologers in Spain.

can you give one example please.

by Inderjeet » 02 Dec 2012 11:06
Chart of Swami Vivekananda is most controversial chart, with two charts of different lagnas floating on internet, examined by two esteemed gurus of astrology and in both cases reaching the same conclusion (it is like fitting already known timeline of events into charts). At least one and who knows both the charts are incorrect.

who is two guru of astrology? tell. what controversial? where confusion? astrologer using IST instead of LMT - is wrong and stupids. - B V raman saheb PT Sanjay rath saheb PVNRao saheb KN Rao Saheb - lt col Raj Kumar saheb and final - astrodata bank - this one time - are all agree - it is sagittarius lagna. God is great. why you know? once - in astrology - all six are agree for this horoscope. - Sagittarius lagna - not Capricorn lagna. capricorn is wrong - sagittarus lagna is correct.

confusion created by Barbara Pijan - who is using Calcutta railway time - not LMT. then madam is telling - i am quoting astrodata bank. best funny is what you know? astro data bank also is giving Sagittarius lagna. from where she is getting capri lagna i only dont know. what peoples these.

to explain no - yesterday mornings horoscope i will take and explain every thing saying it is swami vivekananda chart. like this nursery school child also can do. like that barabara pijan took capri lagna and explained every thing. here all great astrologer is agree - lagna is Sagittarius. that is enough. K.N.Rao saheb - will never do wrong things like this and all - Respected Vaughn paul only agree in video interview of KRS channel - that he is best astrologer in whole world. more want ah? bigger than him - who can tell other things and all? what this?

[howzat]

what PNRao saheb told about swami vivekanandas horoscope and lagna you know? you look down -

a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography. That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says "a few minutes before sunrise". Please note that IST was not is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time. Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me.

[Moits007]

Most classical texts implicitly take the partial, i.e. non-7 aspects into consideration.

This is why we have Yogas defined where planets are in Kendras relative to each other, or a house. The principle is the same.

When we look at kendras, or konas to a house as being supportive of those functions, we do in fact are considering precisely the partial aspects.

ChandraLagna,

You bought the point, which I always wondered.

However, I doubt that the yoga forms because of partial aspect. Such yoga is because of favorable/benefic (kendra/knona) planetary placement relative to each other.

Regards.

[Moits007]

by Yogi7 » 01 Dec 2012 22:47

Hozwzat Ji,
Would like to know your view on Rahu/Ketu aspects and aspects of Retrograde planets in Natal chart

dear yogi7 - rahu ketu i am taking mutual aspect - means ketu aspect on rahu - rahu on ketu. rest i am not taking. retrograde planet - standard aspect. if budha retrograde in aries means - he is aspecting libra. that is all.

Howzat,

Why do you count 7th aspect, but do not take 5th and 9th aspect for Rahu/ketu? Any specific reason or finding for such belief?

[howzat]

by Moits007 » 02 Dec 2012 13:24
Why do you count 7th aspect, but do not take 5th and 9th aspect for Rahu/ketu? Any specific reason or finding for such belief?

what you know moits007 - it is called shadow aspect - for this to understand means - you must read bepin behari book. it is belong to esoteric astrology group - Ketu is exact opposite of Rahu. Rahu opposite of Ketu - you see any persons with rahu ketu in lagna or rahu ketu with moon. - they are talking one thing one day - next day they are thinking something other things - day after tomorrow they are talking opposite of what they are spoke day before yesterday.

[Moits007]

Howzat,
I am confused. i didn't get the reasoning which I was expecting; The reason why 5th/9th is not considered while 7th aspect is considered.

Since Rahu/ketu are not planet, I ignore their mutual aspect. Since you seems to be a knowledgeable person, so please try to shed some more light into this matter.

[howzat]

by Moits007 » 02 Dec 2012 17:00
Howzat,
I am confused. i didn't get the reasoning which I was expecting; The reason why 5th/9th is not considered while 7th aspect is considered.

what i written you see - look down

by howzat » 02 Dec 2012 16:33
what you know moits007 - it is called shadow aspect -

what is meaning of aspect? -

aspect meaning - 1. appearance to the eye; visual effect the physical aspect of the landscape
2. the way in which a problem, idea, etc., may be considered to consider a problem

shadow meaning is what - you know no?

dear moits 007 - you see mirror - what you see? you only no? your image no? in mirror you are there? no - no?
like that - Rahu - Ketu.

you understood ah? this you not understood means - you must read bepin behari book on esoteric astrology. - i will tell one story see -

when i am working in ras al khaimah no - in middle of hot hot sands - temp is 48 degree and more. what you know - i am working in paving machine. - what we are see you know - in hot hot heats - road which not made - looking like it made. understood ah?

like that - rahu ketu is throw - image and shadow on each and other. i am sorry - more than this - i am not having english language skill to explain. you buy book by bepin behari - he is explain many many times better than me.

ok bye

[Inderjeet]

@ howzat

can you give one example please.

Please quote ur e-mail ID, I will mail you the web-address and you can have as many LIVE examples as you want and not of historic men who life it is easier to fit into a chart..

who is two guru of astrology? tell. what controversial? where confusion? astrologer using IST instead of LMT - is wrong and stupids. - B V raman saheb PT Sanjay rath saheb PVNRao saheb KN Rao Saheb - lt col Raj Kumar saheb and final - astrodata bank - this one time - are all agree - it is sagittarius lagna. God is great. why you know? once - in astrology - all six are agree for this horoscope. - Sagittarius lagna - not Capricorn lagna. capricorn is wrong - sagittarus lagna is correct.

"who.. what.. where.. wrong... stupids..." Cool man cool, need not get excited. You know the full story of chart of Swami Vivekananda and I do not want to dwell into it. You say that the confusion has been created by Ms. Barbara Pijan Lama and may be you are right. But you know, despite all these confusion, the chart still remains on her website and she has justified the analysis of the chart by using the same yogas of astrology which Mr. Visti Larsen has used in his analysis (for Saggi Asc).

to explain no - yesterday mornings horoscope i will take and explain every thing saying it is swami vivekananda chart. like this nursery school child also can do.

Tnx buddy.. tomorrow morning I will wait for your analysis, actually I love your analysis...
Best wishes
Inderjeet

[howzat]

by Inderjeet » 02 Dec 2012 18:31

@ howzat
howzat wrote:can you give one example please.

Please quote ur e-mail ID, I will mail you the web-address and you can have as many LIVE examples as you want and not of historic men who life it is easier to fit into a chart..

howzat wrote:who is two guru of astrology? tell. what controversial? where confusion? astrologer using IST instead of LMT - is wrong and stupids. - B V raman saheb PT Sanjay rath saheb PVNRao saheb KN Rao Saheb - lt col Raj Kumar saheb and final - astrodata bank - this one time - are all agree - it is sagittarius lagna. God is great. why you know? once - in astrology - all six are agree for this horoscope. - Sagittarius lagna - not Capricorn lagna. capricorn is wrong - sagittarus lagna is correct.

"who.. what.. where.. wrong... stupids..." Cool man cool, need not get excited. You know the full story of chart of Swami Vivekananda and I do not want to dwell into it. You say that the confusion has been created by Ms. Barbara Pijan Lama and may be you are right. But you know, despite all these confusion, the chart still remains on her website and she has justified the analysis of the chart by using the same yogas of astrology which Mr. Visti Larsen has used in his analysis (for Saggi Asc).

howzat wrote:to explain no - yesterday mornings horoscope i will take and explain every thing saying it is swami vivekananda chart. like this nursery school child also can do.

Tnx buddy.. tomorrow morning I will wait for your analysis, actually I love your analysis...
Best wishes
Inderjeet

ah very good - so Visti larsen is also using Sagittarius lagna. thank you for telling me. you are very good persons. i did not know he is also using same lagna as KN Rao saheb and BV Raman saheb. very good. so now tally of great astrologers using saggitarus lagna is 7. very good.

barabara pijan no - she is nursery school child - explain everything with wrong lagna. she cannot remove from her web site. what to do? she is not having rubber eraser - she is doing mistake - she has to live with it.

[howzat]

by Inderjeet » 02 Dec 2012 18:31
Tnx buddy.. tomorrow morning I will wait for your analysis, actually I love your analysis...
Best wishes
Inderjeet

why tomorrow - i will give you analysis now only -

topic is what? - aspect table in J hora - in that - we are discussing - bhava chart - on this only - aspect table is based.

now see - Visti larsen used swami vivekananda chart to highlight combust planets. he wanted to show that shukra - is combust - and then - visti larsen wanted to show - that he was sexually tempted by some lady he met. because shukra is combust - he is sitting on hot coals pieces to do punishing for self. - so he is justify combustion.


main point is what - Sagittarius lagna no? sun in 29 degree in Sagittarius - venus - 7 in Capricorn.

end point is what? he is also using sagi lagna. thank you for telling me he is alos using sagi lagna. then which two great astrologers you are talking about? i only dont know.

now i am asking you important question - anywhere in his analysis - he used - bhava chart? did he use partial aspect?

you answer to the point. no need for drama. you answer from point to point - we will discuss. - no need to say keep your cool man dont get excited. i am not excited - i am very cool persons.

who lost cool you know? you only.

[howzat]

by Inderjeet » 02 Dec 2012 18:31
Please quote ur e-mail ID, I will mail you the web-address and you can have as many LIVE examples as you want and not of historic men who life it is easier to fit into a chart..

you put here only no - this is discussion forum i dont want LIVE examples - we want live examples you put here only - others will learn also no? i am also wanting to learn. we will all learn - kulam kulla.

you show me one example where

by Inderjeet » 02 Dec 2012 11:06
Bhava chalit chart shows a much deeper and clearer picture than the D-1 chart. If you examine bhava chalit chart alongwith the nakshatras and sub-lords of planets apart from D-1 chart, you may not need to see the divisional charts at all, and in my very brief experience, I have found it to be working quite well.

bhava chalit chart - is blending with nakshatras and sub lords of planets - then you show divisional chart - you may not need to see - you show - that you found it working quite well.

then we will be cool.

[Inderjeet]

@ howzat

you put here only no - this is discussion forum i dont want LIVE examples - we want live examples you put here only - others will learn also no? i am also wanting to learn. we will all learn - kulam kulla.
you show me one example where

You may like to visit the group on [No Personal Contact Details on Public Forum], I, myself, am not such an expert like you who can explain entire system..

barabara pijan no - she is nursery school child - explain everything with wrong lagna. she cannot remove from her web site. what to do? she is not having rubber eraser - she is doing mistake - she has to live with it.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

who lost cool you know? you only.

Yes, you are great astrologer, man, exactly I do know who lost cool..
Once again I loved ur post
Best wishes
Inderjeet