Celestial Drama in Libra

[basab14]

God is there. you see my link ok - i put down - you see - God is there means - astam shani and all nothing.

Very well said, Howzat. God is definitely there, and one should have faith in Him because that faith gives one strength to face any obstacle in life.

[janaki]

Howzat
Your sense of humour is good.. It really made me laugh about conctacting Mendel ..

[Moits007]

In mer-moon, i had lost my phd offer, and after that even after trying so many times i cud not complete phd though i got the offer several times and had started research work also and in ketu-moon i had lost the position that i had achieved in ketu-venus. So in a way moon periods end something which i achieve till venus period and then in Jupiter i have to start everything from scratch. my life is roller coaster ride , i go up till venus comes, then moon brings turmoil and then rahu a disaster and then jupiter i start a new life...

Akanksha,

Can you let me know your birth details? I need it for research.
If you do not wish to specify here. You can PM me.

Regards

[Inderjeet]

@ howzat...
You analysed chart of akanksha2807 and suggested vipreet raja yoga in the chart...
This is what Mr. PVRN Rao has to say about the vipreet raja yoga:
vipreet rajayoga happens if
(a) 6/8/12 lords are together or in samasaptaka in dusthana without associating with other planets
(b) 6/8/12 lords are together or in samasaptaka in quadrants and a strong lagna lord joins them
Vipreet raja yoga you are referring is (a) but Sun (lagna lord) and Mer (11 & 2 L) are also there interfering in 12H, the yoga seems to have been cancelled....
Best wishes
Inderjeet

[Inderjeet]

@ akanksha2807
Are u sure about ur TOB... I am not able to correlate the timing of an event that you had mentioned in ur previous posts (ur abroad travel in Mer-Sat)... Would it be possible for you to tell the dates of (i) you travelled abroad (ii) you started working abroad (iii) you came back to India (iv) if possible, the date of marriage, if married
Give the info is u feel comfortable (by P.M., if u wish so)
Best wishes
Inderjeet

[Yogi7]

Hi All,

I checked the earlier part of the discussion in the thread, Just wanted to point out, In Tamil Nadu, we follow Vakya Panchangam of Rishis which is different from Thiru Ganita Panchangam fed to Astrological softwares. There will be always 2-3 weeks gap between the two panchangas for different transits like Guru, Shani, Rahu/Ketu etc , while Moon transit wont differ much.


As per the Vakya Panchangam Rahu/Ketu transit is happening on Dec 2, 2012 around 10:34 AM. Members from Tamil Nadu can relate to to it as many newspapers, Magazines have circulated Rahu/Ketu Transit books in the past few days.

[Yogi7]

Dear Learned members,

How will be the Rahu/Ketu Transit to Libra/Aries for Cancer Sign , Particularly for the ones who are having Rahu/Ketu in Kendras in Natal chart?

Thanks.

[skp23]

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[Saindhavi]

Brokenwing,

Your Venus the Lagna Lord is in Sandhi, which is not good for your growth.

You may get moderate to a little above moderate effect of this transit, which is benefic or you, especially when Mars gets exalted in Capricorn o 18th of Dec.

Since you are running Rahu Mahadasha, please write your Rahu Mahadasha account on Exlorings' thread on Rahu Mahdasha in the Dasha section of this thread.

Your Rahu is not bad in chart, but is malefic in transit till 11th Jan.

Krishnendudas,

Your father's legal problems will be sorted out after 11th Jan. His Rahu ia malefic in chart and also in transit, which is creating problems.

His time will be good after 16th of Feb.

He is getting bravery award because of extremely benefic transit combinations for Libra Lagna at the moment.

Robbers trying to kill him was because of malefic Rahu.

Saturn Mahadasha will be moderate, as Saturn is combust in his chart, though combustion is a blessing in disguise, as otherwise Saturn would have been malefic for him. He should feed crows and recite Hanuman Chalisa daily.

Aseem,

Congratulations for your romantic mood! Looks like Rahu is gving effect now.

That's a nice photo of yours.

Saky,

The only reason I can see is that Ketu is still malefic in your 2nd house till 11th Jan.

Yogi7,

Thanks for that information.

Can you explain the basis for this Rahu transit date in Tamil Vakya Panchangam - how it is calculated?

If we feed in the Rahu-in Sandhi period to 2nd December, then we are running this Sandhi transit now and we'll be out of it by about mid-December.

Rahu - Ketu in Libra-Aries should be good for Cancer Lagna.

SKp,

All the best for both.

Whatever happens, go for both.

Transits are good, though I am not confident about Moon debilitated in 10th. But on the other hand, it may give you a modest beginning, combining good transit and a debilitated 10th house.

I don't understand this idea of "getting the husband's permission" before doing anything.

I have never taken anyone's permission before doing anything in life. I do something because I want to do it. I simply inform my family that I am doing such and such thing - I don't take permission from them. My family is so progressive that ever since I became a teenager, they have felt I should make my own decisions rather than taking anyone's permission. Even while making any decision about me, they ask for my consent first - and I hold the right to have the last word about my life.

Having grown in such an atmosphere, I certainly can't accept the idea of taking husband's consent before doing anything. If you give him authority to control you, he will control you.

[howzat]

by Inderjeet » 27 Nov 2012 22:47
You analysed chart of akanksha2807 and suggested vipreet raja yoga in the chart...
This is what Mr. PVRN Rao has to say about the vipreet raja yoga:
vipreet rajayoga happens if
(a) 6/8/12 lords are together or in samasaptaka in dusthana without associating with other planets
(b) 6/8/12 lords are together or in samasaptaka in quadrants and a strong lagna lord joins them
Vipreet raja yoga you are referring is (a) but Sun (lagna lord) and Mer (11 & 2 L) are also there interfering in 12H, the yoga seems to have been cancelled....

Dear Inderjeet - thank you for above post. same PVRN Rao saheb in J hora is giving Viparita raja yoga for akanksha chart. please you put and see. but i will also put here ok. you see down

Viparita Raja Yoga D-1 Sa success after pressures or someone else's losses 6th lord in 8th or 12th
Viparita Raja Yoga D-1 Mo Success after pressures or someone else's losses 12th lord in 6th or 8th

in same thread i put prime minister PV narasimha raos horoscope. i will put here again ok. it is trouble to search - so much post is there here. you see down -

by howzat » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:39 pm
Dear neel Kumar - i will give you example of viparita raja yoga ok - you see down
28th of June 1921 at 12:49′ PM LMT in Karimnagar, India (Long:79E09′, Lat:18N26′).
lagna is Virgo 24.19
he became prime minister when Rajiv Gandhi blow to pieces in bomb blast. what dasha you know is running for Rao ji? 8L dasha. Kuja Maha - Rahu Antar - 8L Kuja is with 12L Surya in 10H with 10L Budha. Shani 6l is in 12H aspecting 6H and aspecting Rahu.

here you see - 8l Kuja is with 12L surya in 10h with Budha who is LL and 10 L - he became prime minister in Kuja Maha dasha. see interference of Budha in the VRY. still it has worked.

[Humannature]

SKp,

All the best for both.

Whatever happens, go for both.

Transits are good, though I am not confident about Moon debilitated in 10th. But on the other hand, it may give you a modest beginning, combining good transit and a debilitated 10th house.

I don't understand this idea of "getting the husband's permission" before doing anything.

I have never taken anyone's permission before doing anything in life. I do something because I want to do it. I simply inform my family that I am doing such and such thing - I don't take permission from them. My family is so progressive that ever since I became a teenager, they have felt I should make my own decisions rather than taking anyone's permission. Even while making any decision about me, they ask for my consent first - and I hold the right to have the last word about my life.

Having grown in such an atmosphere, I certainly can't accept the idea of taking husband's consent before doing anything. If you give him authority to control you, he will control you.

Saindhavi ji,
I know it is difficult for you to understand but there ARE some families where parents have the last word. The kids are raised that way that they do not even feel like saying a word against their parents..not 'they want to but can't' kind of situation either...they don't even feel like doing ANYTHING against their family's wishes...and the parents don't even have to say that they do not like certain things so the kids should not do it..but the kids know what their families don't like or is not acceptable in the family and never even attempt to do it. I have seen such people first hand. Not one or two but many such people have been my friends in the past.
One of my friends wanted to study MBA but knew her dad does not like her pursuing MBA, so she did masters in her field though her heart was not in it.
Same goes with husband for certain people.
Different families have different values.

Good for you you were brought up in a family where your word was given value above everybody else's... but i am surprised,with your vast exposure, you did not get to understand such people's situation.

[jolli]

Saindhavi Jee

Everyone is different and every family is different. That is actually beauty of this world. On the other hand no one way is perfect, is hard fact of this world.
However superiorising one's own way of life is not something one should do. You have not done it. hence i am not saying this for you. I am pre-empting.

Having one's own way is something like a nature. Family also after few years stop pursuing a person thinking that he/she will do whatever one like hence no point in differing. Better go along. For this i have observed that, in my own case one need to be bit suttoborn and proud/egositic. Because if one of the decision fails, then i do not have option of going back to family for support. Whatever it is, i have to take it on my own. If a person is able to withstand that, then obviously that person is going to live life without consulting family or friends.

But in the end, we all still need someone to become our punching bag and as well a shoulder to cry on. In my view in such times parents are the first choice, then probably wife/husband and friends. The order can change. I have observed many.....my 2 cents.

[howzat]

dear inderjeet - i told before also - many many kind of viparita raja yoga is there. some time other people have to die for person with VRY to benefit. in PV Narasimha Rao case - Rajiv gandhi kaboom. some times in some case family member will die. sometimes parents will benefit from sons death via insurance. this is also worst kind of VRY - but still - it is VRY only.

one small example of VRY i will give. one person - he is what you know? pious means pious - whole day he is walking talking sleeping - only thinking of God. whole day ram ram ram - even when brushing teeth he is saying ram ram ram - like that. very holy fellow. publics is saying - how lucky for our colony - such holy fellow is there in the middle. our colony has become pure. like that they are talking. he is quoting shastras and puranas and all holy books from top to bottom byheart. all peoples are coming to him for advice and all. total holy man.

next door to holy man - one fellow is opening one poultry farm. see this fellow - in middle of colony only he is opening poulty farm. what this fellow. he is little rough tough - so nobody is talking. not big poultry farm - small poultry farm.

this mummy and daddy hens no - they are not staying in poultry man compound. they are going to holy man compound may be to hear ram katha. I dont know. which all mummy and daddy hen is going to holy mans compound - that hen is not coming back to poultry mans home. poultry man is missing one one mummy and daddy hen - but he is not knowing why. he is not suspect holy man only.

then one day poultry mans wife is telling - suno ji - from holy mans home kitchen garam masala smell and biriyani masala smell is coming. poultry man is telling - what you are talking - holy man is pure veg. pure means he is not eating onion and lasoon also. for you - nose is not having direction. like that he told wife.

wife no she is super shana chalo cheez. she is smelling chicken in holy mans kichen. she is thinking dal mein kuch murg masala hai - like that. she told - not count your chickens before hatching means like this only happening. go out and see - one daddy hen is missing.

poultry man is running out side and counting - another daddy hen is missing. but what to do? how to point ungli at holy man. so he is keeping quiet. he is installing CC TV camera in front of hen apartment. what time has come see. now for chicks also CC TV is needed to see where they are going and what they are doing means.

like this no - how many mummy and daddy hens got moksha from holy man you know? poultry man is telling - at least 80. what viparita raja yoga for holy man see - poultry man is losing - mummy and daddy hens - that means no new small hens and no eggs - hens is losing life and going to holy mans stomach. wife is cooking - holy man is eating. full pet pooja.

one day what happened you know - holy man and wife having fight. wife made chicken 65 and dum biriyani - but by time holy wife is coming to eat - all chicken 65 peace is finished by holy man. full fighting. wife is angry - she is frustrate - she is going in evening to next door neighbour shanta bai and telling secret that husband is chicken lover. and he is eating chicken. this shanta bai bai no - in her house no cable TV - so she is going to poultry mans house to watch serial. like that only when talking talking shanta bai told story to poultry mans wife. poultry wife went and told poultry man full story of shanta bai and put extra masala to story. shanta bais masala and poultry wife masala - poultry man full garam masala - he is going to holy mans house for fighting. whole colony is coming to see fun. some are support for holy man - some are support for poultry man. final what happened you know - nobody is believe that holy man is eating hens. what lucky see. poultry man is go home. total loss.

like this small chicken size viparita raja yoga is also there. then prime minister viparita raja yoga is also there.

understood ah?

ok bye.

[skp23]

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[Saindhavi]

Human nature,

I can understand why the men on this forum counter my freedom-loving ideas regarding relationships between men and women - they want to retain their authority that they have taken for granted all their lives, without any premonition that someday a woman will come along to challenge it.

But I can't understand why you - being a woman - counter these ideas of women's freedom ad independence - despite being educated in a presumably advanced country like the US and also working there.

Sometimes I wonder if the US education is really advanced, because I have seen many Indians like you, who after getting educated in the US don't show any signs of progressiveness in their thought process. Indians who are completely educated in good universities of India are more progressive than them.

I think SKP also did part of her advanced Medical education in the US.

Honestly, I have seen some semi-literate village women in India more liberal thinking and much more assertive about their opinions and rights than this.

I have not yet understood what is the value of a US education in terms of building our thought process.

HN and Jolli -

Well, first of all, SKP is not dealing with her parents, but her husband, where relationship is equal.

Second, she is not a kid or a child anymore. She is a grown up woman in her 30s I guess. So, the analogy with children or college going teens doesn't work here.

Finally, the respect to parents doesn't mean that parents should suppress the individual and democratic freedom of their children and the children should become non-entities before their parents. If this is the case, then there is certainly some serious problem with the child-rearing process in many families of India - and this is where many problems of Indian society lie.

It's not as if I and my siblings don't respect our parents and elders. We just happen to have a very democratic environment in our house, where each one of us is responsible for making our own decisions - no one tells anyone what to do and how to live. Advices are given when sought, but ultimately it's our own decision.

This doesn't mean that we don't have a shoulder to cry on - I am blessed with an extremely supportive family that stands behind me to support me in whatever decision I take about my life.

And if I am in trouble, my family always supports me no matter how many times I fall. But they never take away from me my right to decide about my life just because they are supporting me in my troubled times.

And certainly, I don't see why a wife should take permission from her husband about anything that she wants to do. She is an adult, capable of making her own decision and she should decide her own matters and her husband should stand by her no matter how many times she falls. Just because he supports her in her bad times it doesn't mean he has the right to control her life.

Just reverse this equation and see - if we say that a husband should take permission from his wife about everything he does, would you both still argue in the same manner as you have done above?

Well, in my family, husbands do consult their wives about every decision they make and in most cases, it's the wife's word that is the last word - even if she is a housewife and if her husband is the sole breadwinner of the family, her word still prevails.

[skp23]

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[jolli]

Well Saindhavi Jee

Its my limitation that i am not able to put across the point properly. I am neither speaking of Skp nor on her behalf. I am putting across my point in context. Moreover, what you say is actually true for over 90% families. Since last 2 or 3 decades, childeren have taken lead and willy nilly they have their way.

Reaction of parents can be either the way you describe your family on one hand or just throwing up the towel on the other end.
Now, i feel somewhere you are mixing two things. Respect and Good manners. When we have respect, whatever it be, parents, teacher, law, tradition where ever it is, we tend to put the interest of that thing or person for whom we have respect, than our own wishes. Its not compromise, or suppression. It is respect when it is done willfully.

What is the point in saying that we have respect, when we do all things which are against that entity and also in case we have to tag along we have feeling of anger/supression within us.In that case we have frustration and its suppression and it is bound to come out at wrong place, time and in wrong manner and to wrong person as well!

I think skp23 is showing respect for her husband, whatever it may be and its good karma, bound to rebound in good way.

Being independent and being responsible for own action is the thing which you are talking about and same trait is required to make all our problems half. No one is responsible for our condition, except us. Our action either in this life or past are the cause, which has landed us in present situation. It will remain so, untill we correct them. Skp is on right track.

[Humannature]

'Well educated' does not have anything to do with family values or listening to and obeying family.
Well educated also does not mean you have to go against everyone and everything just to express your individuality.
And I wish you would just stop with this men and women thing.
Relationships are ruined everyday. Men are the culprits in some cases and women in other.

You have every right to believe and follow whatever you like but please do understand that you cannot compare everybody with how you were brought up or how your family is or how your thinking is. People are different.

Sometimes I wonder if the US education is really advanced, because I have seen many Indians like you, who after getting educated in the US don't show any signs of progressiveness in their thought process. Indians who are completely educated in good universities of India are more progressive than them.

If by being progressive you mean, 'dont care if you live with your husband or 1000 miles away from him as long as I am earning for myself and am independent', then yes, i am not forward. After all people get married to be together.
Since I have been living in USA away from family for the past few few years, I know and better understand the value of family now more than ever and probably that is why most people living in a foreign land are not "progressed" in this matter.
You know only when Oxygen is scarce, you will know you NEED it to survive.
Not just Indian women, even women in other well developed countries value their families and their word more than anything.

Once again you cannot expect everyone to think like you. If you consider me and ppl who think like me as 'not progressed', then it's fine by me

[Humannature]

Well, in my family, husbands do consult their wives about every decision they make and in most cases, it's the wife's word that is the last word - even if she is a housewife and if her husband is the sole breadwinner of the family, her word still prevails.

You very gladly say that husbands take wives permission in your family. So why do you react teh way you react when a girl says needs to take permission from her husband or family?
What's different?
If you are okay and very proud of men in your family taking advice from wife and females' word prevailing, you should be equally supportive of the concept of wife taking permission from husband as well, isnt it?

Nobody cares if it's a male or a female. Nobody is targeting females...only ideas.
I don't think people who argued with you on this forum argued with you because they wanted to dominate a female but because of the way the ideas and opinions are expressed. Both men and women have their own problems.
Husbands are not wives' enemies. If you are still talking about male domination etc and get defensive whenever a female shows a lil soft side of her, then you are many many years behind Saindhavi ji...no offense.

Anybody who has/had good men in her life will not think that men are out there only to dominate her...

Oh God what have I gotten myself into!!! Now I know why Ekta Kapoor's saas-bahu serials never end lol

[vikram_ultimate]

Humannature well said actually as far as I know if you actually adjust there is actually nothing wrong whether being a male or a female the main test is to make sure when so many visible and invisible forces are trying to break the relationship the thing is to stand the test of time and then u will actually be a stronger person actually I have observed that when people oil their egos then God tests them with more difficult things and shows I am the engineer of this world and nobody can lord it He is the lord of the univers and we are his servants so nothing wrong in adjusting because when the brain present in the top floor reacts then it is difficult for the subconscious mind to react and it tries teaching all humans this is not the right track and the subconscious mind sleeps and then the brain starts its games and we do karma that we should not have and in the successive births blame God so the trick is to keep the subconsciuos mind open so adjust people adjust

[deeps]

yeah saindhavi ji, your prediction is coming TRUE.

[manya]

Inderjeet my time is correct only, I was abroad in April 2006 and then again went in March 2008.

[Inderjeet]

@ howzat

Exactly, Howazt, you said it correctly, that it is JHORA which is telling VRY in the chart. You seem to be simply entering the data in JHORA and telling here whatever JHORA is telling you, also JHORA is not telling the size of VRY, whether it is chicken size, mutton size or sooooper prime minister size. You know, what I feel, yogas in astrology are a good way of doing 'post-mortem' of a chart. Astrologers try to find suuppeer prime minister size yogas in that chart when they know it is chart of Amitabh Bachchan or Barrack Obama or Swami Vivekananda. You can see two charts of Swami Vivekananda floating on the net, one with Sag Asc and other with Cap Asc, in both cases astrologers managed to see soooper yogas becs it is chart of Swami Vivekananda and who knows both the charts are incorrect (at least one has to be wrong). But when it is a common man's chart like mine, they will reduce the size of yoga to chicken size, then they will tell ulta-pulta yoga (VRY) and still if nothing good happening in life, they will say yoga is chicken size ulta-pulta.....
Best wishes
Inderjeet

[Inderjeet]

dear howzat...

when I was rolling on the floor laughing while reading ur nice little chicken story about chicken size VRY, i realized that my moon was transiting via 2H Taurus thru its points of exaltation..
keep writing....
Inderjeet

[Yogi7]

Namaste Saindhavi ji,

I dont know the exact way of calculation in Vakya Panchangam. As far as i know Tamil Vakya Panchangam is the ancient system for Planetary calculations used by Rishis, It does not consider so called "Modern Astronomical Datas" which is used for Drik Ganitham Panchangam.

Let me paste what i gathered from net on this Panchangam.

The Vakyam is an ancient system where planetary motions aredescribed in simple sentences (hence the vakya). VakyaPanchangam is computed based on Slokas or Vakyas handed downto the practitioners of this school. In addition to the Slokas, there are also Sutras, which help to make simple additions and subtractions. The Slokas and Sutras together provide the formulae required for the preparation of the Vakya Panchangam. VakyaPanchangam is Shastra based and accordingly has provisions todecide a ritual according to shastraas. Thus, to check on Sankashti,Ekadasi, Dwadasi or Pradosham and such other things forAnushtanam, Vakya Panchangam is sufficient."