Celestial Drama in Libra

[jolli]

Saindhavi Jee

I do not know anything about GC, hence it is possible that some of my views may be worng, if put in GC's context.
Regarding being split between the two wants, it is same story with all people on earth. We want something on one hand and other things as well. But there is limit sometimes. We cannot have all. So we have to let go of one. Sometimes it is called sacrifice. All people do it at sometime or other in order to preserve what they value most.

Its actually not simple. Once we get it, we realise the illusion. We have to do introspection and realise, what exactly we want. Thats the whole point!!

I do not want to stretch this topic lest it breaks. So much has been said and i really do not have anything new. All people have problems in relationship at one point or other. Atleast many if not all.

One thing is that, we all want to help and wish better for everyone. So if anyone expresses a contradictory viewpoint, it has to be taken in good spirit.We have different prespectives to look at same thing.

[Hari76]

In the next week, The Gym's and Salon's are going to be crowded. The Planet of Beauty and The Planet of Discipline & Structure are coming together and they look like a happy couple spreading their charms.

Cheers!
Aum

I thought Gym is rather associated with Kuja (high energy stuff) than Sani .

[Hari76]

Saindhavi ji

I am an occasional visitor so pardon me for taking up a topic from 2 pages back.

I slightli disagree with the contention “only the knower of Brahman is a Braahmana“

The Prasthaana Traya (11 Upanishads; Bhagavad Gita & Brahma Sutras) are the foremost authority on Brahman & its nature. All 3 emphatically assert that Brahmin is a caste just like Kshatriya is.

Upanishads proclaim “Brahmavid Brahmaiva bhavati“ The knower of Brahman become Brahman as there is no more duality for him. Whereas there are umpteen references to Brahmin as a caste. Gita goes one step further and prescribes natural duties for all 4 castes; including Brahmin.

It is not my intention to stir up the hornets nest nor to assert any superiority. A casteless society is the best
But who is ready to forsake his caste (and associated benefits) today? Each caste is aiming at consolidation within itself and simultaneously try to instil identity crisis among other castes with such statements like “only a brahna jnani can be called Brahmins. You are impostors etc“ without properly verifying the scriptures. I have heard these kind of statements in movies also.

[Saindhavi]

Hari,

You have to chronologically arrange the scriptures.

Vedas, Upanishads, Smritis and Epics - in that order.

This is taught to primary school children in India that in the Vedas, there is no reference to Castes or "Jati." The only reference is to Varnas - which is not a birth-based hereditary category, but more an activity-based category.

As we go down the historical timeline, castes based on hereditary occupations, with the priestly class calling themselves Brahmana and exclusively controlling the scriptures emerge.

But the original Vedic-Upanishadic vision is of a Varna-structure based on activities, which were not cotrolled along hereditary lines.

The concept of a Brahmana who knows the Brahm is certainly the original meaning of Brahmana. The concept of Brahmana as a Jati controlling the scriptures and proclaiming their superiority is certainly a later one - all historians agree on this.

I was talking of the original concept of Brahmana, because our perception has been so much tainted by the later developments that we have forgotten what actually the Vedic vision was like.

[Saindhavi]

Aseem,

Past 2 months mean that the current Libra transits have been good for you.

What is the Pratyantar you are running?

[vikram_ultimate]

i was reading the previous posts of rahu transit to libra good for many lagnas,but my main doubt is as far as I know Rahu expands whatever it conjuncts right?Then wont the slow nature of Saturn be further slowed down thus lessening the effects to a certain extent?

[aadi]

saindhvi mam,

i will be running saturn pratyantar soon. so more prevailed effect of this transit. i hope so.

[neelkumar]

Jolli and Howzat,

Jolli, I don't know if I have earlier responded to any of your posts but I have been reading them I must say you appear to be a balanced person. That’s a very ideal and desirable mindset to have. I think with this open-minded quality, you will be able so get through a lot many relationships problems (both personal and professional) with ease or minimal hiccups.

Personally, I feel, people with such a good mindset, may yet face problems because written versus verbal communications are different platforms altogether. The fervor with which we can penn down may or may not be the same with verbal communication and vise-versa (varies from individual to individual).

Also, I think it becomes much easier for people like you to understand various point of views and hence get to know the other person better.

About skp23’s situation, I agree with you. It’s the easier option for her to leave her husband and end the relationship..and she can do it almost anytime. What is a challenge and needs hard work is to make the marriage/relationship survive – whether brains or heart is put to work is situational-whichever is more effective to achieve the end-objective.

It is not easy to understand a person’s psyche and his/her surroundings, upbringing, mental ability, confidence level, emotions (very important), memories attached with the partner (again very important), achievements/failures in past relationships, hence it becomes imperative to avoid committing hara-kiri while advising.

Thanks both.

[Hari76]

Saindhaviji

My point was not on the “brahmana as a jati“ vs “brahmana as a varna“.

I was referring to the assumption that “only he who has realized Brahman can be called a Brahmana“.

Right from Vedic times there was a “braahmana group“; a “kshatriya group“ etc.

While the goal of attaining Brahma jnaanam is meant for ALL such groups Brahmana kshatriya or Sudra.
For all the life purpose is the same. There is reference to a brahmana group kshatriya group in Yajur Veda. So are there even in the oldest Upanishads like Brhadaranyaka Chhandogya Aitareya. In these upanishads we find tales of the Brahmanas actually approaching the Kshatriya kings like Ajatasatru or Janaka with samith in hand ; seeking Brahma knowledge. In Katha Upanishad the boy Nachiketas is referred to as “Vaishwanarah Pravishati Athithir Braahmana“ even though he was yet to attain Braahmic knowledge at that time. Like this countless examples can be cited. It is a popular misconception possibly arising out of not referring to the Vedas and Upanishads directly but to second hand sources; that only a knower of brahman can be called a braahmana.

[basab14]

It is a popular misconception possibly arising out of not referring to the Vedas and Upanishads directly but to second hand sources; that only a knower of brahman can be called a braahmana.

I agree with you, Hari.

[Saindhavi]

Hari,

When you talk about Brahmana as a group, you are talking about Brahmana as a Jati, which is a later development.

I am talking about the original meaning of Brahmana as it existed in the earliest layers of Vedic texts.

Vedas nowhere talk about the concept of superiority of any group based on birth - this is a much later development.

Ajatashatru was a later king, born much after the Vedic period.

As I said, you need to get your chronology right.

In any case, I don't want to continue arguing on this topic as it doesn't relate to this thread.

[deeps]

saindhavi ji,

I am running rahu pratyantar since long.

[jolli]

Jolli and Howzat,

Personally, I feel, people with such a good mindset, may yet face problems because written versus verbal communications are different platforms altogether. The fervor with which we can penn down may or may not be the same with verbal communication and vise-versa (varies from individual to individual).

Thanks and Appreciate. You are right. Written communication is different from verbal. I tend to be submissive and prefer to leave the argument if it gets agressive. Though i may not yeild my ground. That do not work in real world situation all the time. So have to be on loosing side many times. But as i have identified it, i am trying to improve as well.

Also, I think it becomes much easier for people like you to understand various point of views and hence get to know the other person better.

Very significant point. But there is a downside of not able to take sides!! Un decided you can say. Which is very impractical I would say.

For me all are right as long as it is natural....

Edit :- Spelling Mistake. Neel has made me conscious of writing me now...... Thanks Neel

[Saindhavi]

I have faced lots of problems in my life because of written communication - written messages always tend to get miscommunicated. For official purpose it's fine, but beyond that level, it's not good at all.

In fact, I believe in "visual communication" i.e., face to face communication. I am a very visual person and for me visual messages are more important than written or spoken words. In face to face communication, body language helps to decode many kinds of silent messages that are not possible in written or spoken messages.

For this reason, I don't like to do much of written or telephonic conversation. For me it's important to see the person face to face. That makes a completely different impact on me.

I find it much easier to relate to people whom I can see, rather than from whom I get written messages or whose voice I hear on phone.

I like Facebook, because Facebook is so visual in its approach - it's the next best thing to face to face conversation.

Aseem,

That's the reason you are thinking of marriage prospects now - Rahu is giving you marriage in your chart.

I think this process will get accelerated after Mars leaves Sagittarius and gets exalted in your 2nd house of family - your marriage may get fixed then.

[deeps]

Saindhavi ji,

I agree with you that Visual communication is much better. People are not as bully and evil when it comes to face to face conversation. Internet is the only medium where the inherent evil tendencies often comes out often openly as also our identities are hidden, lest we get caught. It is the perfect medium to throw shoes at each other. We often think to have revenge. If one is unable to take revenge on in real life, he can vent his entire ire on net.

About Marriage, I agree with you. Yeah, let us what Mars when he enters capricorn does to me.

[Aum]

In the next week, The Gym's and Salon's are going to be crowded. The Planet of Beauty and The Planet of Discipline & Structure are coming together and they look like a happy couple spreading their charms.

Cheers!
Aum

I thought Gym is rather associated with Kuja (high energy stuff) than Sani .

Hari, good point.

Yeah The Iron pumping and Adrenaline enhancing version of the gym may be related to Mars, however the weight loss and staying in shape (Discipline & Structure) is more likely to be related with Saturn.

Cheers!

[neelkumar]

Jolli and Howzat,

Also, I think it becomes much easier for people like you to understand various point of views and hence get to know the other person better.

Very significant point. But there is a downside of not able to take sides!! Un decided you can say. Which is very impractical I would say.

For me all are right as long as it is natural....

Edit :- Spelling Mistake. Neel has made me conscious of writing me now...... Thanks Neel

Haha Jolli, nah, I am not trying to make you conscious with your writing skills. I too struggle with my French grammar!

But what I want to point out is that being open-minded doesn’t necessarily mean that the person is indecisive or cannot differentiate what is right or wrong.
Infact, a person who is open-minded and flexible can very well have his/her opinion which he/she considers right and is flexible and brave to review it – refine it, modify it, filter it, make it more lucid, incorporate new ideas and thoughts in it or just leave it as how it is.

For example: Haven’t we come across senior people, in any sphere, who are so stringent and stubborn with their thinking/thought process that they get defensive when any new ideas come up? They feel that their authority is being challenged.
Whereas some genuinely knowledgable and open-minded people at the same senior level appear calm and take new ideas in their stride healthily, so they themselves may learn, experience or become aware of the newer thinkings and ideas?
These say a lot about their inner belief in their knowledge/ability and their self-confidence/esteem.

[Saindhavi]

Aadi,

When Mars gets exalted in Capricorn your 7th house, it will be a great time for Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn, Virgo, Sagittarius Ascendants.

For Aquarius Ascendants it may be good for going abroad as Capricorn will be exalted in 12th house. Those who stay in home country may engage in hectic travel or spend a lot of money on unexpected matters.

In your case, you have Shasha Mahapurusha yoga and combining this with the current transit with exalted Mars in your 10th house and Saturn exalted in 4th should be great!

Only, Rahu in Sandhi may create problems till 11th Jan, but so many planets in powerful combinations should be able to counter it to a large extent.

[Saindhavi]

Howzat,

I have spent 18 years of Rahu Mahadasha and Rahu-Ketu axis is very important in my chart. So, I know all about having desires and letting them go.

I don't necessarily subscribe to all these theories. I keep on changing my perspectives quite often.

At this moment, I don't think having desires is a bad thing after all. It's good to have desires and enjoy the world as much as we can.

Yes, unhealthy obsession is not good for one's own psychological well-being.

My Rahu Mahadasha has taught me to have desires, enjoy the world to the fullest, have ambitions that touch the sky, but to stay away from unhealthy obsessions - have desire without getting obsessed. Remain open to the idea of change and it will be fine.

Otherwise there is nothing wrong in having worldly ambitions.

I don't want Moksha. I want to keep on coming back to this world a million times and achieve different kinds of worldly successes in all these million births. One birth is not enough to achieve all my ambitions.

And I have no problem at the moment - I am fine. My desires propel me to achieve such heights of success in my field that others in my level have not achieved . That's fine for me.

PS - I have broadband and a fast laptop.

[Saindhavi]

Howzat,

Thanks for your remedy and advice. I never said I knew everything. In fact, I have always said I make no claims to give accurate readings all the time.

I feel no need for a remedy at the moment.

The Goddess protects me and I feel absolutely secure and fine.

[aadi]

hello mam,
thats awesome
but i have one query that how can i have sasha mahapurush yoga because saturn is not in kendra. its in 8th house of loss in kumbh rashi?
nor i have felt these yoga .. being a mahapurush yoga ?

[Saindhavi]

Two softwares show your Lagna as Leo and one shows it as Cancer.

How was your time from Dec 2007 to Oct 2010?

Was this period any different from previous and succeeding periods ?

[jolli]

For example: Haven’t we come across senior people, in any sphere, who are so stringent and stubborn with their thinking/thought process that they get defensive when any new ideas come up? They feel that their authority is being challenged.

Well, I can understand this. In my view the reason for the same the age they are in, they have seen all. So out of their hard earned experience they know, their way is best!! Hence they defend it. Moreover they are frustrated because younger ones do not listen to them or understand them. Its happening with me. I have a young one about to turn 9. He is already making me mad. For every reason i give him, he has a answer and example ready for totally opposite viewpoint. Sometime i really get angry and i have to show him who is daddy. But i feel day is not far, when i will not be able to prevail upon him. But on the other side, i seen these young one so sure of what they want and also very independent so early in life. Without us teaching them.

There lies the difference. I remember when i was that age. I could not have done half the things they are doing already. Here i am not referring to tech change. Tv, Cars or Internet. I am talking about simple things like food, cloths, study, play etc. On second thought, these things are not simple anymore.

These days we see old people (above 55+) behaving like youth. I will try to film them sometime. The way they drink, talk, and gossip like bunch of teenagers. We are really amused. Me and my friends used to tease them. They retort and say we do not know how to enjoy life!!! See that coming from a 60 year old.

Same from 6 and 9 year old. Only people who are lamenting are people between 20 to 40.... Who have all kinds of problems in life.

[explorings]

Well, I can understand this. In my view the reason for the same the age they are in, they have seen all. So out of their hard earned experience they know, their way is best!! Hence they defend it. Moreover they are frustrated because younger ones do not listen to them or understand them. Its happening with me. I have a young one about to turn 9. He is already making me mad. For every reason i give him, he has a answer and example ready for totally opposite viewpoint. Sometime i really get angry and i have to show him who is daddy. But i feel day is not far, when i will not be able to prevail upon him. But on the other side, i seen these young one so sure of what they want and also very independent so early in life. Without us teaching them.

There lies the difference. I remember when i was that age. I could not have done half the things they are doing already. Here i am not referring to tech change. Tv, Cars or Internet. I am talking about simple things like food, cloths, study, play etc. On second thought, these things are not simple anymore.

These days we see old people (above 55+) behaving like youth. I will try to film them sometime. The way they drink, talk, and gossip like bunch of teenagers. We are really amused. Me and my friends used to tease them. They retort and say we do not know how to enjoy life!!! See that coming from a 60 year old.

Same from 6 and 9 year old. Only people who are lamenting are people between 20 to 40.... Who have all kinds of problems in life.

So very very true!!!

Generation differences...

I am sometimes shocked at how smart Generation Z truly are! I am not sure if it is because of exposure to media or genes carried over from Generation X parents. Perhaps, both!!

[jolli]

I am sometimes shocked at how smart Generation Z truly are! I am not sure if it is because of exposure to media or genes carried over from Generation X parents. Perhaps, both!!

Explorings Jee

Let us not pat on our back. From what ever lill biology i know, we are responsible only for either 1/4th or one half of their genes. Rest comes from one or two generations up. I may be worng.

Try to look for similarities between these two sets. you will find many.

Edit : Trying to correct the quotes