why all these bad thoughts on ketu?

[delilah]

What BPLJ says about ketu in the 11th house:

-Scattering behavior may give an incoherent network of friendship, or a scatter-shot pattern of setting and achieving one's material goals.

-Often trouble from the company one keeps due to weak psychic boundaries.

-Slave to flattery. The community consists of those who praise and applaud one's performance.

-Friendships of voluntary association, are not a healthy influence.

-One feels considerable apathy toward completing the tasks which produce social connection. Little interest in the elder sibling, the father's brother, even school friends seem dull or unapproachable.

- Native may suffer the effects of flaky, inconsistent, or unreliable friends if one has any at all.

-Few long-term friends. Standoffish, abandons [Ketu] friendships [11] on pretext. Fails to grasp the expectations of long-term association and lasting friendship.

-Signal of the "frenemy" - well-wishers who are not. Ketu-11 may face networking challenges, including perceived lack of support from peers. However, this perceived deficiency is very correctable via Seva and reflection.

-The external facade of one's internally disconnected relationship to social change movements is a blank screen which can reflect the collective unconscious. The inherent lack of mutual engagement with distributive social systems will be known to very few observers. Folks may attribute great happiness and success therefore to the exponent of a progressive ideology which is essentially hollow.

-Self-sufficient by default. Often disappointed in one's friends, and tends to pine for a communal lifestyle (11) while being often not enough responsible in community to remain welcome in collectivities.

-Seems to get along with everyone, but in truth one's interests lie outside the group, in the great cosmos.

-Disregard for economics, and often detachment amounting to confusion in regard to income whether large or small in amount. Typically a scattering of the earnings. Income can be large because Ketu allows no barriers (in 11, no barriers to earnings) yet eventually Ketu scatters all unless there are other graha in 11 yuti Ketu or casting more sensible drishti into the vriddhisthana.

-Likely to be swindled by false friends.



I thought Ketu in the 11th was supposed to be good place for ketu. Why then do these interpretations sound unfortunate?

[elipsis]

There are no good places for Rahu and Ketu from my experience, but there are certain houses, signs and nakshatras where they do less harm. Ketu in the 11th destroys your 5th house- this affects your education, progeny, intelligence and everything you want to do in your life.

Best places for Rahu and Ketu

1. 6th and 12th: Rahu in 6th makes you clever and deceptive.
2. 1st and 7th: If ketu is well placed in your first house you will be born in a well settled family.
3. 4 and 10: Rahu in 10th can help you win over your colleagues.

There is more to it.

[Ekalavya]

@elipsis, What about Rahu in 2nd house(Aries Asc)?
Isn't that a good place?

[Patriot]

There are no good places for Rahu and Ketu from my experience, but there are certain houses, signs and nakshatras where they do less harm. Ketu in the 11th destroys your 5th house- this affects your education, progeny, intelligence and everything you want to do in your life.

Best places for Rahu and Ketu

1. 6th and 12th: Rahu in 6th makes you clever and deceptive.
2. 1st and 7th: If ketu is well placed in your first house you will be born in a well settled family.
3. 4 and 10: Rahu in 10th can help you win over your colleagues.

There is more to it.

I agree with Elipsis on point 1 & 2. I have 2nd combination in my D1 & 2nd combination in my D9.

[elipsis]

@ekalavya, Not really, 2nd Rahu makes you insincere and it does create family problems, also if 9th house is destroyed (3rd ketu) you won't be receiving any help from elders and divine souls. But just looking at bhavas isn't enough- Rahu and Ketu must be placed in friendly signs and nakshatras but they still create many complications.

[Ekalavya]

Ok, it says exalted in my chart that's why i asked.
And ketu is actually in 8th house when rahu is in 2nd house, why will 9th house get destroyed?

[delilah]

There are no good places for Rahu and Ketu from my experience, but there are certain houses, signs and nakshatras where they do less harm. Ketu in the 11th destroys your 5th house- this affects your education, progeny, intelligence and everything you want to do in your life.

Best places for Rahu and Ketu

1. 6th and 12th: Rahu in 6th makes you clever and deceptive.
2. 1st and 7th: If ketu is well placed in your first house you will be born in a well settled family.
3. 4 and 10: Rahu in 10th can help you win over your colleagues.

There is more to it.

My ketu is in the 6th house which brings forth strange illnesses and enemies. I agree that Rahu here would be best. However in D-9 it is in the 10th so going with your example perhaps there is hope for me.

May I ask what do you think about the following quote: "Where ketu sits is where the native will get losses in his life, but in his later life he will be able to turn them into gains." I suppose this means (since we were using the example of ketu in the 11th) that the native with Ketu 11 will lose friends and opportunities until later life (after 50?) when he will gain friends and opportunites. I'm not sure if I can agree with this, but you are much more knowledgable so I would like your input.

[elipsis]

You have to first understand how 2nd and 11th house works- why did ancient thinkers labeled 11th lord as malefic? Its because the 11th lord doesn't give gains on his own and so does the 2nd lord. Only lords 1,5, and 9 always do good no matter where they are, but the rest of them are either neutral or malefic to the ascendant lord. So in order to reap the benefits of the 2nd and 11th house you have to look at 11th house from the 10th. 2nd from the 10th is your 11th and 5th from the 10th is your 2nd house- so there is your revelation, only through the 10th house you can activate 11th and the 2nd house. The 11th signifies gradual elevation and 2nd can relate to the quality of your elevation which involves - close relationships, family, friends and wealth.

Ketu in the 11th is good- as he gradually elevates your lifestyle, without the mind or the heart the planet will seek to reach out and grow but on the other end Rahu destroys the 5th house, which is the second most important trine. Ketu being the root, shows the roots of your family line, it sets a firm foundation for the future generation. Royal and Aristocratic families have strong Ketu because they place emphasis on the genes.

[Ekalavya]

You have to first understand how 2nd and 11th house works- why did ancient thinkers labeled 11th lord as malefic? Its because the 11th lord doesn't give gains on his own and so does the 2nd lord. Only lords 1,5, and 9 always do good no matter where they are, but the rest of them are either neutral or malefic to the ascendant lord. So in order to reap the benefits of the 2nd and 11th house you have to look at 11th house from the 10th. 2nd from the 10th is your 11th and 5th from the 10th is your 2nd house- so there is your revelation, only through the 10th house you can activate 11th and the 2nd house. The 11th signifies gradual elevation and 2nd can relate to the quality of your elevation which involves - close relationships, family, friends and wealth.

Ketu in the 11th is good- as he gradually elevates your lifestyle, without the mind or the heart the planet will seek to reach out and grow but on the other end Rahu destroys the 5th house, which is the second most important trine. Ketu being the root, shows the roots of your family line, it sets a firm foundation for the future generation. Royal and Aristocratic families have strong Ketu because they place emphasis on the genes.

Was this reply to me or del?
Cause whatever you said is going over my head
Thanks for trying to explain though really appreciate it
But in simple words how can i know if my ketu is in good position or bad?

[manya]

Ketu in the 11th is good- as he gradually elevates your lifestyle, without the mind or the heart the planet will seek to reach out and grow but on the other end Rahu destroys the 5th house, which is the second most important trine. Ketu being the root, shows the roots of your family line, it sets a firm foundation for the future generation. Royal and Aristocratic families have strong Ketu because they place emphasis on the genes.

Elipsis ji, Please explain this further, I got confused that is there is strong Ketu in 11th, you said Rahu in 5th destroys it, which also means house of children, but Ketu in 11th place emphasis on genes....how?

[elipsis]

Was this reply to me or del?
Cause whatever you said is going over my head
Thanks for trying to explain though really appreciate it
But in simple words how can i know if my ketu is in good position or bad?[/quote]

This isn't something I can explain in two paragraphs - anyhow I am going give you one example of a strong Ketu, this is the chart of Queen Elizabeth II of England.



As you can see Ketu occupies her Ascendant, Sagittarius is also Ketu's own sign. This shows stronger family roots.

Elipsis ji, Please explain this further, I got confused that is there is strong Ketu in 11th, you said Rahu in 5th destroys it, which also means house of children, but Ketu in 11th place emphasis on genes....how?

11th is not the emphasis on genes, but Ketu shows the roots. When the roots are strong a tree can bear fruits and withstand all seasons- I hope you understood so far…

If ketu occupies 11th then Rahu naturally occupies your 5th house. Rahu in this house is traditionally associated with bad results but again it depends on what sign, nakshatra and so on.

[Ekalavya]

Alright elipsis ji,
thanks for your inputs

[manya]

Thanks Elipsis ji,

Got it now. Thanks.

A weak Ketu in 10th house indicates what? means weak foundation for carrer or weak support from father or what?

[elipsis]

Thanks Elipsis ji,

Got it now. Thanks.

A weak Ketu in 10th house indicates what? means weak foundation for carrer or weak support from father or what?

Means no permanent job. But again can't say for sure because career requires thorough analysis- from ascendant, D10 and D45.

[prateak.desai]

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[elipsis]

Let me know what the problem is, PM if you want.

[delilah]

This is all informative. Your description makes sense, but I cannot see examples of charts where gives good results only later in life. Perhaps I'm not looking at things correctly, but this would mean that those who have ketu in a supposedly good place like the 11th,9th, or 4th will only reap those benefits in late life. Someone with ketu in the 4th will only have attached family life in later life. Someone with Ketu in the 11th will only have good friends and money in later life etc... Have people found these things to be true for natives in general?

[elipsis]

Perhaps I'm not looking at things correctly, but this would mean that those who have ketu in a supposedly good place like the 11th,9th, or 4th will only reap those benefits in late life. Someone with ketu in the 4th will only have attached family life in later life. Someone with Ketu in the 11th will only have good friends and money in later life etc... Have people found these things to be true for natives in general?

As I stated earlier, I personally won't prefer Ketu in 11th because the placement destroys a trine. You are confusing Ketu with the effects of the 11th house.

The 11th house is not a benefic house, planets in this house don't give results on their own....it depends on the 10th house. This process naturally takes sometime, which is why people see results late in life. Ketu doesn't have a mind, he remains rooted at one point (if strong) and grows slowly which seems to match the effects of the 11th house.

[delilah]

OH! so what you mean is that Ketu's effects remain throughout. Someone with ketu in the 11th will not have better friends/money later in life, unless one becomes more involved with their 10th house.

"The 11th house is not a benefic house, planets in this house don't give results on their own." This is very much true. I have sun, merc, venus and jup in my 11th house and everything these planets represent have been slow coming in my life and has never fallen in my lap.

[2002diksha]

sir,
what about the placement of a strong ketu in second house.
regards