Celestial Drama in Libra

[dxb2oz]

Please refrain from undermining, belittling, and intimidating others if you have no intentions to provide logical explanations from astrological POV.

This is why I have repeatedly and humbly requested you to take your banter elsewhere.

Banter? Frankly, I find Howzat's position completely logical given:

1. Howzat is essentially saying that it is pointless to analyse a chart and attribute it to a person (BT in this case) when one doesn't even have access to BT's fundamental details - correct birth year and time in this case. This is perfectly valid in my humble opinion.

2. He is questioning the analysis that is essentially based on suspect data. Unless and until one can confirm data sanctity everything else becomes mere speculation. He has very humbly requested if correct data can be accessed and provided.

3. Trying to fit a famous person's life and personality to a chart that is built on erroneous data makes it even worse.

3. He is right in saying there is a lot of garbage and misleading information on the internet. Unless you have personally validated the data, there is no point in just spreading misinformation further.

He is neither belittling nor demeaning. Some of the posts here are rather patronising and condescending towards him - isn't it natural that he will react? Moreover, one also has to understand that for someone whose first language is not English, the written word can appear harsher than what it actually means to convey.

[howzat]

dear explorings - i think you missed this -

by howzat » 19 Nov 2012 06:26
Bal Thackeray one horoscope is there with Capricorn lagna. another is there with Libra lagna. how many horoscope is there god only know. Now i am seeing with kanya lagna. I am full confuse.
by howzat » 19 Nov 2012 07:08
what madam - you are reading Varahamihira and Parashara then applying on wrong birth chart and coming to own own conclusion and passing judgement. so many horoscope is there of thackeray. see explorings is saying year is only wrong of horoscope you analysed.

then you asked me -

by explorings » 20 Nov 2012 00:46
I am clearly stating that I am yet to see a chart of Thackeray with Capricorn or Libra Lagna as I have not seen it nor heard of its existence. The first I have heard was from you. So please provide reference where you have obtained this information! Saindhaviji has provided a valid reference from "Astrosage" for a Virgo Lagna chart, even though the chart itself is incorrect with incorrect birth details.

because you asked - i gave you two proofs -

by howzat » 20 Nov 2012 07:42
LT COL Raj Kumar has given following data - now take Bal sahebs horoscope with Capricorn lagna.
page 338 - born 23 Jan 1927 at 7AM Mumbai. put and see. Capricorn is coming.

by howzat » 20 Nov 2012 10:23
http://karmanyaastro.com/_Bal_Thackeray.html
explorings - so we are discussing horoscope or not? please tell.

after you gave your explaination - i gave mine - then please see the end of the quote -

by howzat » 20 Nov 2012 12:33

by explorings » 20 Nov 2012 11:44
The year is incorrect. I can provide you my analysis on the chart for the native born on Jan 23, 1927, but Thackeray was born in 1926 (as touted by several credible articles and mass media). So, it will be impossible for me to correlate Thackeray's life with chart based on incorrect birth details!!!

So you are saying Bala Saheb Thackeray did everything like that because of Guru Chandala yoga? I thought Ketu will give spiritual initiation because he is Being the moksha karaka.- this is told by respected Deepak Bisaria in news letter of journal of astrology.
I also thought - 12L Guru + Ketu is good for spritual. i learned that only Guru with Rahu conjunct is giving Guru Chandala yoga.
Guru chandala means leaving his own religion and associating with foreign religion no? But Did Bala Saheb do like that?
he is very famous man no? in 23 january 1926 chart where is yoga to be famous? in 1927 chart there is excellent Raja Yoga no? for famous personality? what say?
in 1927 chart - death came in Budha - Guru - Rahu - Budha is 6l - Guru is 12L in Marak 2H. Rahu in 6H. so death combination is there no? best part is what you know - in 1926 chart also Budha Guru Rahu is running. funny no?
So like this mr explorings - we can do for many years - explaining - putting lagna in different rasi - then changing month and year - and then fitting everything. this is correct ah - i am asking. that is why i told - unless TOB is certain - simply dont write what and all is coming to the mind - just to fill page.
you only said this no?

by explorings » 20 Nov 2012 09:58
As both of us have mentioned earlier, you can put lagna anywhere and give your predictions and match it with some events of the person's life,

so my discussion with you was over. then you said

by howzat » 21 Nov 2012 04:40

by explorings » 20 Nov 2012 21:40
Howzat:
I have provided my analysis based on 1926 data and also provided my insights on why Capricorn or Libra cannot be his birth Lagna. If you wish to engage in a healthy discussion purely from an astrological POV, please provide your counter-analysis.
If you believe that 1927 data is apt then please post your analysis for the same. I would also like you to comment beyond Raj Yogas, especially about his ideological differences and conflicts with several family members including son and nephew, ex-party members such as Chhagan Bhujbal and Narayan Rane, and above all his mentor Acharya Atre.

Dear explorings - i am not believe in 1926 data - I am not believe believe in 1927 data. I am not believe his birthday might be 23 January also. what analysis to give you? tell.

that is why i told - why we are doing speculation and fitting things?. you asked me to explain ideological differences - I have to do fitting for both 1926 and 1927 horoscope. any horoscope is only not correct means - what to tell about ideological differences and all?

where i have gone wrong dear explorings? please tell.

[howzat]

now see - from beginning of this post - to the last of this post. i am saying the same thing. what is that thing? that i dont believe in fitting things - when the time and date of birth is not correct. we dont know correct time means - why we are speculating? You came full force and jumped on me for nothing - and from beginning to the ending you are saying only one thing after every post of yours - take your banter else where. where should i take it mr explorings? I am also a member of this forum no? I have also a right to write here. you cannot tell me where to take my writings. Just because what i am writing - looks like banter to you - how can that be my problem? Did i force you to write by burning midnight oil? i only asked to to analyse since you only wanted the data. I gave it to you. you are only just using force. for what reason i dont know.

[skp23]

Saindhavi ji,
Can you please provide some insight on the recent transit of Ve, Su, Me for lagna/rashi.
Thanks

[howzat]

dear explorings - see - if a person with 38 posts who is joining newly to forum can understand what i am trying to say - an you are only making fun of me and rolling on the floors and laughing at me - then you are doing like this on purpose. even If one person understand what I am telling means - i have done correct job and my conscience is clear. again i will not tell you anything. best joke is what you know? in this 75 pages - the best post i have put quote below. even my posts - is nothing when compare to this. after DXB has told - what is left for me to say.

thank you.

by dxb2oz » 21 Nov 2012 06:54
Banter? Frankly, I find Howzat's position completely logical given:

1. Howzat is essentially saying that it is pointless to analyse a chart and attribute it to a person (BT in this case) when one doesn't even have access to BT's fundamental details - correct birth year and time in this case. This is perfectly valid in my humble opinion.

2. He is questioning the analysis that is essentially based on suspect data. Unless and until one can confirm data sanctity everything else becomes mere speculation. He has very humbly requested if correct data can be accessed and provided.

3. Trying to fit a famous person's life and personality to a chart that is built on erroneous data makes it even worse.

3. He is right in saying there is a lot of garbage and misleading information on the internet. Unless you have personally validated the data, there is no point in just spreading misinformation further.

[Saindhavi]

DXB,

Howzat has made those points dozens of times and he doesn't have to keep on repeating them when we have moved past this topic and are discussing transits now.

Rathodp,

It looks like your Lagna chart is operational in giving the effect of transits. Sun has joined Rahu in your 7th house and is aspecting Ketu-Jupiter in your Lagna a few days ago.

Besides, exalted Saturn-Venus-Mercury combination is in your 6th house, which may be problematic from the viewpoint of Venus-Mercury at least and from Saturn for some time before Saturn gives good effect - that's how exalted malefics behave in 6th house - first creating problems and then suppressing them. It's better to have moderate or inimical malefics in 6th house.

Your time should become better from 12th of Jan onwards.

Remedies - Recite Hanuman Chalisa and feed crows daily. Offer water to the rising Sun and recite Gayatri Mantra 21 times daily. Fast every Shukla Paksha Ashtami - today is one. You can begin today if you have not eaten so far. Pray to Goddess Durga.

SKP,

Read this NASA notice about the Mayan calendar business and a host of other fallacies -

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

Read also the additional information at the bottom of this weblink.

Neelkumar,

You were told that going abroad is good for you. Staying in India will keep on creating problems for you.

Howzat,

You have made your point. Please stop repeating it, as we all have understood what you are trying to say. Please stick to the topic of transits.

Explorings,

I feel the best way is that we both don't respond to Howzat if he continues with this topic. The more we respond, the more he will prolong with this.

SKP23,

I said a few posts (pages?) earlier that exalted Saturn-Mercury-Venus conjunction in Libra should be good for most people, except those in whose charts Libra falls in 3rd, 6th, 8th or 12th house - especially in 8th or 12th.

But Leo Lagna people have reported some improvements, so it seems 3rd house empowerment is good for them - even if it means making efforts to get benefits.

People having benefic or strong Saturn should begin to see the results of this conjunction now.

People having combust, afflicted, weak, in-Sandhi Saturn, Venus or Mercury may have to wait a little longer to see the results.

I belong to the 2nd category, with a combust Saturn, so I am waiting.

[neelkumar]

Saindhaviji,
Where is my Libra? Which house? Is it good, bad, ugly?
Do you position it from the lagna or rashi chart?

Good morning all and have a nice day..am off 'fishing' with the 'seals' !

[Saindhavi]

Neelkumar,

It is good - from both Rashi and Lagna - and you are travelling happily now precisely for this reason.

But this happy hour will last only till Dec 5th or so, before Mercury moves back into Scorpio. So apply for job or engage in business or grab a professional opportunity as soon as you can.

I like Exploring's advice to SKP - we should not be hung up on a particular kind of job suitable to our qualifications - only this and no other job we will do. Rather, we should look at the larger goal that we want to achieve in future and we should do just any good job that comes our way if it takes us to our larger goal in future.

I think Explorings has a wise mind - with a benefic Saturn in Lagna. Everyone should follow this advice, not only SKP.

Of course you have to take care not to ruin your career prospects for ever in the process by doing a job that will finish you off in the long run. But no harm in taking a job somewhat lower than your previous level or at a lower income or in a different area than your specialisation - if it takes you to your larger career goal.

[skp23]

I like Exploring's advice to SKP - we should not be hung up on a particular kind of job suitable to our qualifications - only this and no other job we will do. Rather, we should look at the larger goal that we want to achieve in future and we should do just any good job that comes our way if it takes us to our larger goal in future.
I think Explorings has a wise mind - with a benefic Saturn in Lagna. Everyone should follow this advice, not only SKP.

You are right, I didn't think this way earlier, now I am thinking of all possible jobs I can do. It might give less money but is better than sitting at home doing nothing.

[dxb2oz]

DXB,

Howzat has made those points dozens of times and he doesn't have to keep on repeating them when we have moved past this topic and are discussing transits now.

Explorings,

I feel the best way is that we both don't respond to Howzat if he continues with this topic. The more we respond, the more he will prolong with this.

Yes, but in response to dozens of posts made by others

If you really wanted to end this then there was no need to post that comment to explorings? It is hurtful and comes across as trying to gang up - the "we both don't respond" part.

The best way to end any discussion is to end it on a nice note so no one is left with bad feelings

Akanksha,
I meant to write yesterday. Pleased to hear of your good news and long may it continue.

SKP3,
If you need a sounding board or just a shoulder to cry on, give me a shout/write to me at my email address. Sometimes, complete strangers can offer an unbiased perspective. Good luck with your future anyway.

Back to the topic then.

[Saindhavi]

I like Exploring's advice to SKP - we should not be hung up on a particular kind of job suitable to our qualifications - only this and no other job we will do. Rather, we should look at the larger goal that we want to achieve in future and we should do just any good job that comes our way if it takes us to our larger goal in future.
I think Explorings has a wise mind - with a benefic Saturn in Lagna. Everyone should follow this advice, not only SKP.

You are right, I didn't think this way earlier, now I am thinking of all possible jobs I can do. It might give less money but is better than sitting at home doing nothing.

I hope all Aquarius Lagna people take it positively like you.

[dxb2oz]

Looks like everyone is getting lakhs in oline games, only I am not that fortunate.

See link - http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 10#p142810

Why equate fortune with money/wealth ? More fortunate/wealthy is the person with good health and happiness and I wish you plenty of the latter two.

[ambisan]

Saindhavijee,
Job side is getting bad ,at the verge of getting fired.Do you see anything of tat sort in my chart and transits. i am running saturn - mercury dasa

[Saindhavi]

DXB,

Well, at this moment I want money the most of all. I am completely out of money.

But thanks for your well-wishes.

Ambisan,

This is best time for you to move into new job - just apply and change your job as soon as possible.

[dxb2oz]

DXB,

Well, at this moment I want money the most of all. I am completely out of money.

Sorry to hear that, wish you plenty of good fortune.

In light of this thread, based on your chart/transit do you see an improvement in your future - e.g. a new job on the horizon perhaps?

[ranjan.75]

Saindhavi ji,

I am trying to buy plot / Site in Rishikesh since long time, but by efforts were not fruitful.
Could you please suggest me is there any yoga to buy plot & build the house.
When is the right time to buy & Build home ?

Regard / Ranjan , 16-09-1975, 02.14.30 AM, Devprayag, Tehri Garhwal, uttrakhand, (78E36, 30N15)

[ddee22]

Respected Saindhavi Ji,

Namaskar,

Can you guide me a bit about fasting? Today is Shukla paksh Ashtami and I am fasting. At what time should it end?
What can be taken during fast? Milk or fruits or nothing at all?

I am going to start Rahu antardasha/moon mahadasha in Dec12 and transit rahu in 8th from moon in Jan 13. These are giving me jitters. I am following remedies as suggested by you.
My Rahu is in 4th house in virgo. The dispositer Mercury is in cancer 2nd house aspected by jupiter.
Can you find time to tell me if it is good or bad overall for me. If Rahu and Ketu have some similarities in there functions, let me say that Ketu has been kind to me so far. I joined Medical college when ketu dasa started. Other important events too happened during ketu subperiods.

Please analyze my Rahu and oblige.

DOB 22/08/1959/ 2:42:42 AM, Meerut(UP)India

ddee22

thanks and regards

[explorings]

Please refrain from undermining, belittling, and intimidating others if you have no intentions to provide logical explanations from astrological POV.

This is why I have repeatedly and humbly requested you to take your banter elsewhere.

Banter? Frankly, I find Howzat's position completely logical given:

1. Howzat is essentially saying that it is pointless to analyse a chart and attribute it to a person (BT in this case) when one doesn't even have access to BT's fundamental details - correct birth year and time in this case. This is perfectly valid in my humble opinion.

2. He is questioning the analysis that is essentially based on suspect data. Unless and until one can confirm data sanctity everything else becomes mere speculation. He has very humbly requested if correct data can be accessed and provided.

3. Trying to fit a famous person's life and personality to a chart that is built on erroneous data makes it even worse.

3. He is right in saying there is a lot of garbage and misleading information on the internet. Unless you have personally validated the data, there is no point in just spreading misinformation further.

He is neither belittling nor demeaning. Some of the posts here are rather patronising and condescending towards him - isn't it natural that he will react? Moreover, one also has to understand that for someone whose first language is not English, the written word can appear harsher than what it actually means to convey.

Dxd:

Howzat is only regurgitating what we trying to explain him since Pg. 72. None of us have undermined or passed disrespectful comments on/about him. Please see a series of his posts here:
http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 75#p143139
http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 75#p143140
http://lightonvedicastrology.com/phpBB3 ... 75#p143141

See dear explorings - i not come here to fight. i also can express my opinion no? yes or no? i asked saindhavi why she is saying Bal Saheb is bad after using horoscope - when data is only not correct - using Varahamihira? that is all. why you are defending her - i dont know.

Please see below:

My dear friend, we are not asking you to not provide your comments/opinions, we are just requesting you to calm down and discuss astrology in a healthy way without hurting or undermining anyone or without any banter or passing disparaging comments!! It is only our humble request and if you feel that you still need to make such comments, I am okay with that too just requesting you to take it to another thread!!!

~ Pride leads to disgrace but with humility comes wisdom!!!

This is what I learnt in life and I now apply the same principle to all everything:
"If you have a problem get a solution, if there is no solution or you can't propose one, don't raise the problem"

[dxb2oz]

Give it a rest now....let us agree to disagree.

[explorings]

Feedback:

Details:
- Capricorn Ascendant with deblitated Jupiter receving neechbhanga by conjunction with Saturn in Lagna
- Debilitated Moon
- Sun in 3H.
- Malefic Ra/Ke on 8/2 axis with NK parivartana between Ra/Ke (Ra in Ke's NK and Ke in Ra's NK)
- Current dasha of 8L/7L, Sun; Sun-Moon. Sun in 5H from Moon; so not a bad dasha.

In transit:
- Saturn in 10H
- 6L and 9L moved into 10H
- YK, Venus moved into Libra; 10H
- Sun in 11H
- Retro Ju (3/12L) in 5H conjunct with debilitated Ketu and aspected by Sun and Rahu.

He was facing a tough time in his career. Today he sent me an email stating that he just received research grant for a huge amount of money, followed by a temp chair of the dept position. The actual money will kick in next fiscal year but his new role begins next month.

He particularly faced a really terrible time in professional as well as personal life as soon as Saturn entered Libra in Nov 2011. He is a great professor but struggled on professional front due to emotional distress in personal life.

When I met him in June this year, he looked pale and I was overly worried for him. I thought the dasha of 8L may increase adversities, litigations, and health issues. When I spoke with him post-Sandy, sometime in Oct he was complaining nothing is moving and he was planning to retire. He was born in the same year as Obama and so I was confident that things will improve at least in his professional life.

A couple of while back, I had commented that Capricorn Lagna will get new and additional responsibilities in professional life.

Money for medical research, kicked in, as soon as:
- 8L (research), Sun moved into 11H conjunct with Rahu (drugs, etc.) aspected by 3L (communications), Ju (jeeva, philosophy, wisdom, etc.)
- LL became exalted and free of afflictions conjunct with YK, 5/10L, Venus and 9L, Mercury.
- For Capricorn ascendant; 10H is now gaining momentum with LL exalted; YK as well as 5/10L in own house; and 9L of fate and fortune in friendly house with 2 friends!!

[smilingakash]

Hello All,

Sharing experience part 2:

I sometime fail to understand the intricacies of Vedic Astrology. Are we even good enough to a make a prediction.
All the time when ppl predicted good things they rather went the other way. And now when i was least expecting it I got all the support i wanted in my professional life.

I was going through Sun->Rahu->Ketu Dasha. My MD,AD and PD lords all were debilitated in tranists. Also Sun is debilitated in my Rasi Chart. To top that my 10th and 11th lord Saturn was combust during this period.
I dont knw any other planet who was doing well exceedingly well in transit to bring out positive results. Guess what i got support from ppl which was lacking the day i started working under Sun MD. My appraisal although had obstacles went ahead with panache- definitely more support i could i have ever imagined.

Today i am not seeking answers because i am sad of not achieving but seeking answers how can one achieve when Dasha system and transits are opposing you.
Is our dependence on the Vimsottari too much for accurate predictions.??

14th Nov 86, 16:43:00, Delhi

[Saindhavi]

Explorings,

Congrats to your colleague!

Yes this transit is best for Capricorn and Libra Ascendants, followed by Aries, Gemini, Virgo and Aquarius perhaps - not in that order.

DBX,

Thanks. Going by my chart and transits, if only my Saturn wasn't combust, I would have touched the Moon now - I happen to be Libra Ascendant with a very good Capricorn Moon and am running Jupiter Mahadasha.

But because of my combust Saturn, I am taking time to draw enough energy from this powerful transit phase and hence, the light always seems to be showing at the end of the tunnel - the more I walk towards the light, the more the "end of the tunnel" recedes further.

Let's hope I'll draw enough energy from this transit soon.

DDEe,

During Ashtami fast, take milk, curd and liquids without salt and artificial flavours. Don't take packaged drinks.

After sunset, break fast by eating only once. Eat fruits, sweets and other food prepared without grains and salt. You may take Kheer. Pray to the Goddess.

Ranjan75,

This time is good for getting a plot. Wear yellow sapphire 4.5 carats set in gold.

You may contact Jolli another member on this site. He may help you.

Smilingakash,

This transit is very good for you after exalted Saturn-Venus-Mercury conjunction in Libra.

Your Rahu-Ketu are not bad, especially Ketu is quite benefic.

You have received neecha bhanga from Venus in 7th house. Venus is also forming Malavya Mahapurusha Yoga. You should rise further in this transit.

[ddee22]

Respected Saidhavi Ji

Thank you for reply. I am doing it. Only thing is that I didnt get enough time in morning to pray so I will do it in evening. I have downloaded 108 names of Durga ji too and I will recite those.

Please find time for my query about Rahu.

Thanks

ddee22

[Saindhavi]

DDee,

Your Rahu in Lagna chart is good and in transit also will be benefic from 12th Jan onwards.

In Rashi chart, 8th transit of exalted Saturn and Rahu is not good.

Add Mahamrityunjaya Mantra 108 times daily. If troubles persist despite doing Ashtami fasts, get a priest to recite Durg Saptashati in Sanskrit.

But I think since Rahu is good in chart and Dasha is more important than transits, Ashtami fasts should be enough for you.

[ddee22]

Respected Saindhavi Ji,

Thank you and it is so relieving to know that Rahu is good in natal chart and hence may do some good during its antardasha.

Will follow your instructions.

regards

ddee22