Celestial Drama in Libra

[Zara]

Hi Saindhavi,

Thank you once again for your reply.

Moon is not badly placed in your chart. It is very well-placed in your chart. I don't know where you got the idea that it's badly placed in your chart.

It is Saturn who is very malefic in your chart.

It is not only malefic in Lagna chart, it is 12th from Rashi i.e., 12th from Moon.

But malefic Saturn in your chart may create problems throughout life - in professional as well as in personal life.

It was said by a member of the forum, and it also made "sense" to me. I have a waning moon, which by itself isn't considered good, placed in the fiery sign of leo. Moon would feel the "heat" of the unfriendly sign and act malefic. And saturn is supposed to be my yogakaraka. Placed in an unfavourable sign it might not be able to deliver any good results of being yogakaraka, but it wouldn't be malefic for me, or want to do me any harm. Saturn is also the ruler of the natural 10th house of the zodiac, and placed in 10th in Lagna it would be a good house for him to own. It also supposed to help that he is in a good nakshatra. Yes, in Rashi he is placed badly, but that placement was supposed to effect mainly the area's of life ruled by 6th and 7th house (of rashi). As I said, I'm not an astrologer, so I can't judge how accurate or how correct a statement is.

And, the sign where Moon is placed IS your Rashi - Rashi means your Moon sign i.e., Leo. So, I don't know what you mean by Moon being 12th from Rashi. Moon can never be away from Rashi, because Moon sign is the Rashi.

I didn't write it correctly. I meant that being Leo rashi, moon owns 12th house in rashi chart and I am running the dasha of the 12th house of loss. Sorry for that.

If any significant change happens relating to the transit, I will let you know. god bless,

[Saindhavi]

Zara,

Everyone reads charts differently and I don't mean to criticise anyone. My way of reading your chart is different - Moon is placed in a friendly sign in your house of financial gains. Hence, it should be giving you financial gains. Besides, in Lagna chart, Moon rules your 10th house, so it's good for your career.

And please remember that Lagna chart is your primary chart - no other chart overtakes it in giving effect.

However, your Saturn may be technically a Yogakarak, but it hasn't created any benefic Yogas in your chart. Rather, it is placed in a very malefic position in your Lagna chart - it is actually blocking whatever benefic effect Moon is giving and it is blocking your personal relationship aspects as well. Besides, it has cast a shadow over your Jupiter, who could have given you good personal relationships. Saturn is gradually ruining your career prospects.

Because you are running the combination of Moon-Saturn, it means that Saturn will reduce the benefic energy from Moon and depression, anxieties and tensions are the side effects of this, apart from the materialistic problems.

Add to this the transit of Virgo Saturn aspecting Scorpio Rahu and you have a perfect mix for the path to miseries - both materialistic and emotional and psychological.

Unfortunately, because this malefic Saturn placement is there in the Lagna chart, its effect may be felt throughout life.

Even if you want to see the Moon chart, then Leo becomes your Rashi, Sun being its ruler. In that case, Saturn is the deadly enemy of your Rashi and of its lord and Saturn is 12th from your Moon sign - this is as bad or even worse than your Lagna chart combination.

The method of looking at the Moon chart and reading this chart from the viewpoint of Lagna chart itself is wrong - if one looks at the Moon chart, one should see how Saturn is related to Moon sign and where it is placed in Moon chart.

If one looks at the Lagna chart, one should see Saturn's relation to Lagna and where it is placed. One should not mix the two.

But in all cases, placement of Saturn will always override its relation to Moon sign or Lagna. If Saturn placement is malefic, its benefic equation with the Lagna or Moon sign will become subdued. It is likely to give malefic effect.

And in all cases, Lagna chart will remain the primary chart, no other chart taking its place.

Now in current transit, Saturn has become exalted in your Lagna, but you are still running Moon-Saturn and Dasha always overrides current transit. So, you are likely to experience the benefic effect of Saturn in Libra only when Moon-Mercury begins.

The saving grace is that your Rahu in Lagna chart is very good. I think from 12th Jan onwards, your Rahu will give you very good effect.

But before that, watch out for the deluge of Rahu in Sandhi!

[Zara]

Thank you once again for your very elaborate reply. I agree, every astrologer has his/her own way of analysing a chart, but in the end the conclusion may be the same. As they say, all roads lead to Rome. Or in my case, to turmoil and stress. I'll try the remedies you adviced and try to deal with them as good or bad as my abilities go. Thanks once again. kind regards,

[Saindhavi]

So, by Geocentric setting, today is the day when Rahu and Mars almost come at exact degree -

Date - 4th of Oct 2012

Time - 6-11-46 pm

Place -New Delhi

This time is important not only because Rahu-Mars overlap, but because another dimension has been added to the Celestial Drama now -

At the above mentioned time, Jupiter goes retrograde in Taurus.

Jupiter will stay retrograde in Taurus till January 30th, 2013, 4-18-08 pm.

So, what are going to be the effects?

Jupiter's aspect on Rahu-Mars will be eased off and Mars will have to go it alone in the business of controlling Rahu.

The period of Jupiter's retrogression will also include the period of Rahu-in-Sandhi as mentioned earlier according to Geocentric setting. Besides, Rahu will be out of Libra Sandhi on 12th of Jan - well before Jupiter goes direct again.

So, it looks like Jupiter has decided to take a nap through all this Celestial Drama staged by Rahu-Mars-Saturn trio and has left us all to our own fate.

By an alternative viewpoint - Jupiter moving backwards into Taurus will increase his vigil over Rahu-Mars and will further tighten his control over Rahu.

So, looks like Jupiter has decided to keep a closer watch over Rahu and help Mars!

Personally, I like the 2nd interpretation more - but we'll know when we get feedback from people.

Some feedback came earlier of some negative events happening around 2nd-3rd Oct - immediately after Mars left Libra.

It was estimated that this was because Rahu-Mars showed an overlap around 2nd-3rd Oct in the Topocentric setting and that Mars with Rahu was actually triggering off these negative events - eventhough Geocentric showed that Mars was still 2 degrees away from Rahu.

I just checked Jupiter's motion around 2nd - 3rd Oct and found that this was the time Jupiter had become stationary in Geocentric setting.

So, if we follow Geocentric setting, then it looks like the reason for the events reported was Jupiter going stationary and not Rahu-Mars overlap, which was still 2 days away in Geocentric.

Explorings reported someone getting his Green Card that day. We need to see the position of planets in Lagna chart and the Mahadasha combination running at the time. It looks like he is running a strongly positive phase at the moment, so a stationary-retrograde Jupiter doesn't affect him.

In Geocentric setting, today is the day when Rahu and Mars overlap and Jupiter goes retrograde.

For those in whose charts Jupiter is retrograde, especially in Lagna, 5th or 9th house and for Sagittarius and Pisces Lagna people this has special significance. Also for those running Jupiter Mahadasha, Antardasha or Pratyantar.

But a feedback from everyone will be much appreciated.

So, please watch and give feedback. Please mention your Lagna and Rashi, position of Jupiter, Saturn, Rahu, Mars in your chart and Mahadasha combination running.

[Saindhavi]

Well, all the time we were focusing on Saturn-Mars-Rahu trio and we didn't think much of Jupiter.

So, looks like Jupiter has decided to give us the message - don't take him for granted too much just because he is a benefic par excellence!

[neelkumar]

For those in whose charts Jupiter is retrograde, especially in Lagna, 5th or 9th house and for Sagittarius and Pisces Lagna people this has special significance. Also for those running Jupiter Mahadasha, Antardasha or Pratyantar.

Seems this matches with my chart in 2-3 counts. So, what significance does it have for me?

[Saindhavi]

Neelkumar,

Well, when Jupiter was stationary on 2nd - 3rd Oct - it still is for a few more hours -

bad mood, indecisiveness in all plans, some career and domestic plans suddenly coming to a halt after gaining a momentum after Mars left Libra on 30th Sept, in extreme cases problems in job situation, even losing job if chart or Dasha is malefic.

When Jupiter begins its retrograde motion from today - either of the 2 -

1) Either the stalled situations falling apart completely and getting reward after much hard work in career - this includes personal as well as professional fields, or

2) Gaining extra momentum in whatever issues were stalled in personal and professional fields and getting some major advantages if chart and Dasha allow it.

These are two opposite viewpoints about retro Jupiter.

So, you should give feedback about how it goes.

[Saindhavi]

Yellow,

Here is some update from my friend who is waiting for promotion - if you remember, she has Aquarius Lagna, Rahu in Lagna, aspected by Jupiter from 9th house, running Rahu Mahadasha since 2010, which I feel is benefic in her case.

Actually, she has been waiting for 2 kinds of promotion interviews - one is the normal career promotion and another a special promotion to an extra higher level, skipping the normal-track promotion, based on her career record.

She has been hoping for the second one, as it will make her quite senior with extra advantages in salary and power. This would be really a windfall for her.

The first one will also be good, but obviously, not as good as the second one. I also hoped that she should get the 2nd one.

Last night, she called me up and told me that the interview for the first category mentioned above is scheduled now, while for the second category there is no news yet.

The time of her call is significant - she called me when she was informed by her boss about the first category interview.

I hadn't checked till then that Jupiter had gone stationary.

When Jupiter stops, all good progress stops, nothing moves!

Now, it remains to be seen whether retrograde Jupiter will completely stall her 2nd category interview, or will speed it up.

How will exalted Saturn and Mars in Scorpio be vis-a-vis retro Jupiter? This is another question.

Will let you know.

She is certainly getting her 1st category promotion.

[neelkumar]

By an alternative viewpoint - Jupiter moving backwards into Taurus will increase his vigil over Rahu-Mars and will further tighten his control over Rahu.

So, looks like Jupiter has decided to keep a closer watch over Rahu and help Mars!

Personally, I like the 2nd interpretation more - but we'll know when we get feedback from people.

I think I would like to buy the second argument. I see it as Jupiter taking backsteps, checking all the faulty connections and rectifying and tightening the screws to fix the loose ends and solve the problems caused by Rahu.

I wish I could do the same things in life – not that I am regretting much. I wish I could study a little harder in order to not miss my MBBS seat by just three marks, take different career decisions, approach certain relationships in a different way, and perhaps I could have said to certain people in my life that I loved them before they went away.
But, given the situation, circumstances and the mindset then, who knows I may have repeated the same things the same way.
So, no frets, actually.

[Saindhavi]

Neelkumar,

I really love your description of stationary-retrograde Jupiter. I do hope you are right.

As for people going away etc, I guess it happened during Rahu Mahadasha, which is notorious for these kinds of happenings.

You can read my Rahu Mahadasha account on Explorings' thread.

It was ridden with people suddenly and unexpectedly changing their mind and changing colours as well. I spent my entire Rahu Mahadasha suffering because of this, eventhough financially I was well off, except during Rahu-Mercury.

It has continued to happen in my Jupiter Mahadasha as well.

But I can tell you that after a few years of Jupiter Mahadasha, when you look back, you will realise that whatever you lost during Rahu Mahadasha, was actually not for your good and it was just as well that you lost it. It requires the sagacity of Jupiter to realise this.

This understanding has come to me and I no longer regret the personal losses I faced during Rahu Mahadasha.

Professionally, yes, I did make some strategic errors and I wish I hadn't made them. But I have no regrets for personal losses I faced then.

Only, Rahu's way of taking away something that is not good for us is very wrong. I wish he would do it, but not in such a wrong way.

[basab14]

I am happy!!--this is my feedback for the current transits

[basab14]

Saindhavi ji,

Thank you for telling me about your friend. Good to hear that she will get through in the first interview, though I can't help but wonder how it can be possible with Rahu-Mars in her 10th house in transit now.

[Dinesh.Srivastava]

Dear Saindhavi and exploring ,
I must say Commendable effort by u guys and everyone else on the thread

Just a thought on Retrogression

Consider the time Line below
->->->->->->->->
A-----x--------- Z
<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-
and eventually it would be ....
->->->->->->->->
Let "A" be the point in time when any planet under consideration become direct Last time
Let "Z" be the current time where it has now become stationary and about to become retrograde ,
Let "X" be any event in this time line good or bad in a natives Life

Earlier the movement of influences was from "A to Z" , Now it is from "Z to A" and latter it will again become from A to Z

it means that the incidence / event "X" which has already happened will again gain Prominence , and will once again surface to the foreground .

say in retrogression the planet again crosses the celestial position where the event "X" have happened earlier and moves toward "A" , that means the second time the event must gain influence over native , but this time in retrospection cause this time the experience would not be new but a repetition only

Now sooner or later the planet will become direct again and once again it will cross the celestial position of event "X" this time in direct motion as in the first pass over

In all the three passes over X there is a difference .......
the first pass of direct motion gives a new experience {good or bad} ,

the second pass of reverse motion brings a time of retrospection about what happened and why it happened , what are the consequences , it is as if the universe is giving a choice to have a second opinion , to think it thru again , as i always say "LIFE is all about CHOICES" ,

the third and the final Pass of direct motion , now the Life moves forward beyond event X .. for sure

About correlating retrogression of planets in transit and natal chart ....

It is a well known fact that retrograde planets are considered strong cause they give more drive to get success , true they also gives delay , but also attitude of never say die

The Inherent Nature of any individual never changes , and he or she would be more comfortable if the current celestial energies are also in tandem with his/her natal energies

Thus people with retrograde planets in natal chart tends to be more at ease with themselves and in that specific area of life which is represented by the retrograde planet in there chart either by chara - karaka or functional ownerships , thus they will experience retrogression differently than others

Again the malefic / benefic nature as per the chart of planet should be considered before pronouncing any blanket rule or prediction , my above statement about being "at ease" was with the intent that finally life balance itself out as i do not believe in negative approach , but yes circumstances cud become difficult also if the planet is retrograde in natal and highly malefic as well , in both natal and transit .

Having said that , let me also say .... All will be well .. eventually , so be hopefull

Regards
DineshSrivastava

[Saindhavi]

Dinesh Srivastavaji,

Many thanks for explaining it so clearly.

Soon after Jupiter becomes direct, Saturn becomes retro.

I am beginning to enjoy this non-stop celestial drama now!

[basab14]

I have been following this thread since sometime, and I have been thinking about it, so I would like to share my thoughts here. I am seeing that there is something always going wrong when it comes to the transits. Either Saturn gets retrograde, or Rahu gets into sandhi, or Mars joining Saturn stops it from giving good effects, and if everything else is fine, Jupiter gets retrograde. It's like there is not one moment of peace--something or the other is going wrong always when it comes to the planets. But when I see people, who don't believe in astrology, I find them doing okay and are quite relaxed actually, being unaware of all the danger signals that the planets are giving all the time, and we astrologers end up worrying what will happen next, and then, nothing ends up happening, us realizing all these warnings from the planets were nothing more than false alarms.

I have done okay, in spite of all the planetary transits that I got to read about here, and no changes I could notice worth sharing here, except a couple of them, which are not that much of significance if I tell what they are. But it's true that because I know astrology, because I have been keeping track of the transits, I have always been living in tension. When I keep my mind of it, I am at peace.

I remember one of my father's friend, who would come to show his chart to my father and before my father could say something, he would say: 'Which planet has gone retrograde now?' He meant by that that something or the other must be wrong all the time when it came to the planets. I have noticed that change in planetary periods brings changes sometimes, but then, not always. Life is not that interesting, not so full of twists and turns as it would be if every planetary period and every transit showed their effects. So sometimes I wonder, does the transits show their effects really, does even the planetary periods show their effect?

Now, I hope my post will not be taken in the wrong sense. It's just my thoughts on this subject. Others can comment for or against it as they like. And if Saindhavi ji, the creator of the thread, wants me to, I will immediately delete my post.

[Saindhavi]

Yellow,

First, another update on my friend - she has been told the big promotion is not possible, but the normal promotion will definitely happen - before 15th of Oct - see the date again - before Sun goes into Libra.

So, stationary Jupiter has minimised her gain, but not completely struck it down.

Jupiter will begin its retro motion in a few minutes now and she has got this news while Jupiter is still stationary.

So, that's why I have asked people to give their feedback to see how much effect these major transits have and in which cases. In my friend's case, certainly there is a perceptible change.

As to why it doesn't show in every person's case, as you know, transits have to be corroborated with the strength of charts and Mahadasha combination running.

Strength of a chart matters a lot in deciding how strongly the transits will show their effect. Degree of effect varies according to the strength of planets.

PS - I don't mind your post at all. It's a legitimate question, so don't worry.

[vpn]

Saindhaviji,

Have a quick q based upon this topic that's suddenly interested me. I'm a taurus ascendant with an exalted retro jupiter in my third house in my lagna chart. How would i fare during this current period? Should be good,right? Further, saturn's also in the sixth from my natal moon, also in exaltation.

Many thanks and sorry if i've not been able to right properly. My details are 6th feb '79, 13.24, rajkot.

Best regards
V

[Saindhavi]

Yellow,

Another transit - Moon is in Taurus - not far from Ketu.

So, just relax - all is well. Don't get tensed thinking of transits. Enjoy the Celestial Drama.

[basab14]

As to why it doesn't show in every person's case, as you know, transits have to be corroborated with the strength of charts and Mahadasha combination running.

Strength of a chart matters a lot in deciding how strongly the transits will show their effect. Degree of effect varies according to the strength of planets.

PS - I don't mind your post at all. It's a legitimate question, so don't worry.

You have a point there when you talk about why the transits don't show effect for each and every person. Thanks for taking my post sportingly.

Coming to your friend, I still feel that she will face trouble, even if she gets promotion. Rahu-Mars in 10th house in transit can never make things easy for a person in their career.

[basab14]

Saindhavi ji,

I am not tensed at all. If you ask me, I am celebrating the transits the most today. Some reason came up for me to be happy--I got to know about it in the afternoon--so thanks to the stationery Jupiter for that.

Yellow,

Another transit - Moon is in Taurus - not far from Ketu.

So, just relax - all is well. Don't get tensed thinking of transits. Enjoy the Celestial Drama.

[basab14]

Aseem's feedback on the current transits:

"On 30th september afternoon, I had gone to the market in my half pant. He had called his mother for the shopping list through his xperia phone. After the shopping, I returned home only to find my phone missing. I was shocked and madly drove back to the market, atm machine and kept driving for hours to find the lost mobile. But alas! It was gone for ever. One of my best buddy it was.

"Heatbroken, I looked at my chart and noticed the rahu/mars conjunction with my 12th lord period running. My mother came and took me to the mobile shop and bought me new Lumia handset on the same day. The next 2 days were hectic as I had to write numerous mails to activate the old sim number and it was only yesterday that it got activated and I got the 3g plan activated only today."

"I felt greatly relieved today and it proved to be a blessing in disguise for me as the new phone was much better than the xperia one. Indeed destiny is great."

[skp23]

Hello all, I would still wait couple of days more to give my feedback on the transits. Lot is changing since last week, waiting to see which way will it all settle finally. (I have aquarius lagna, Scorpio moon)
Thanks a lot to Saindhaviji, Yellowji, Exploringji and all others for discussing day by day transits.

[basab14]

Skp23,

Having Scorpio Moon and Aquarius ascendant, you have passed through great tension in your work place in the last 1.5 years, I feel.

[balaastro]

Hi Saindhavi ji,

I had expreienced similar toughest times in last 12-16 months. Lost a good job abroad, had to work with unsupportive people...felt someone tide me up .... my VISA is rejected too

Good thing is ...I have the HOPE ....I'm just want to be calm for a change...

Great to see such a detailed analysis for thula people..Mine is thula lagna/mesha rashi...born 6-dec 84...pondicherry, india , time : 4.20 AM....

I ll make sure I post back my experiences good or bad in coming months...now I dont expect anything.....just leading calm life...Thanks

[explorings]

So, just relax - all is well. Don't get tensed thinking of transits. Enjoy the Celestial Drama.

If I there was an option on LOVA to like a statement, a million times, this would surely be one of it!