Celestial Drama in Libra

[manya]

Yes Saindhavi ji,

You have seen my chart and suggested remedies also. Thanks for the effort, I will be looking forward to more updates on this thread...

[basab14]

Yes, you are right, Saindhavi ji. I gave a wrong example, I guess. Anyway, if you think the transits are more effective, maybe they are. I am sure you have done your research before saying it.

[neelkumar]

Neel,
I don't know what to say to this. If you feel I was to some extent correct in my prediction, then it's really nice of you, I will say. Honestly speaking, I thought that it would bring some disturbance for you, and somehow you will manage it and won't need to leave the job, but then, you left it on your own, you are saying, but then again, as I believe everything is predestined, I will blame the planets only for your leaving the job, and not your free will.

Basab, I was talking to my Dad at length on your post a couple of days ago (only because he admired your astrology skills). He appreciates very few people and always criticizes me But what he said that since Jupiter MD had just started for me and with all the sandhi-lag/calculations (that I know Saindhaviji does not believe in sandhi) and Saturn and Mars not placed properly, my Jupiter was not in full-throttle beneficial at that time. He added that had this situation (Rahu movement and others, especially the non-major planets placement) occurred after Jupiter was settled in the Mahadasha (after sandhi), this Rahu movement wouldn't have been able to affect me as much. But..but..apart from all that, the bottom line is that Rahu is in the 10th house of my natal chart..so, it will give it's effects, nonetheless, though low or high.

Please convey my thanks to your father for his kind words for me. And I appreciate it very much, that he remembered my prediction to you, even after 1.5 years. That's quite wonderful, I must say. Coming to your suggestion to me to carry on with astrology, well, I don't know really whether I will, but thanks for your encouraging words. I have left it actually, that is, don't take any serious interest in it, like earlier. Just do it casually now.

Well, you should then - simple and straightforward suggestion. You have the knack..and more importantly, you have that some astrologers have - that's accuracy!

[basab14]

Basab, I was talking to my Dad at length on your post a couple of days ago (only because he admired your astrology skills). He appreciates very few people and always criticizes me But what he said that since Jupiter MD had just started for me and with all the sandhi-lag/calculations (that I know Saindhaviji does not believe in sandhi) and Saturn and Mars not placed properly, my Jupiter was not in full-throttle beneficial at that time. He added that had this situation (Rahu movement and others, especially the non-major planets placement) occurred after Jupiter was settled in the Mahadasha (after sandhi), this Rahu movement wouldn't have been able to affect me as much. But..but..apart from all that, the bottom line is that Rahu is in the 10th house of my natal chart..so, it will give it's effects, nonetheless, though low or high.

Neel,

I am very glad to know that your father praised my astrology skills. I also didn't feel that Rahu would do so much damage, but then, I had not made that much detailed analysis of your Jupiter, whose period you were running then, so I had said that Rahu would cause disturbance at the most.

Well, you should then - simple and straightforward suggestion. You have the knack..and more importantly, you have that some astrologers have - that's accuracy!

Thanks, Neel. I will keep doing astrology then.

[ambisan]

Saindhaviji,
From May 2011 i dont find any negative experiences but cant say money was not spent. I got married in june 3 2011, i spent nearly 2 yr savings on that, one the family side the marraige brought lot of problems as its a intercaste love marriage, the intial days were terrible no proper respect on wife's side, my parents also maintaining distance ,my sister was back from US after 2 yrs had good time with my sis and her son.In the marraige whoever i loved and helped a lot turned back, and treated me bad. I had to be separated from my newly wed wife for 3-4 months, But one the positive side i spent on honeymoon trips.Then came our first diwali the worst i had ever had, problems on wife's side at her place, (she was running asthama shani - kumbha rasi satahya nakshatra). Then i had a short break for sometime. I had merry time with my wife for 3 months, we visited a few temples too, my wife got pregnant in december my parents went to US to spend sometime with my sister, again good thing but huge expense, another full year of savings spent in it. Now problems on the wife side grew to unmanageable proportions no talking terms with in laws,literally i felt i didnt have anyone in life to support us,
Again relief parents back wife goes to delivery son born in august.Again problems erupt

On career side didnt had problems but no progress i was thrown between teams most of the days i will go and play games with friends and be back. After sometime it was bad for career prospects.Till date struggling to get a better job.

In general days from may 2011 are painful i spent lakhs of money but life goes, cant say its a downfall, but most of the days were bad mostly on problems created through in laws. Never had peaceful sleep, mosly lots of bad dreams, bile vomiting daily suddenly of no reason, travels a lots but actually i thought it was all due to sade sati.

i am libra lagna libra rasi 02-dec-1983 04:02 am madurai tamilnadu

currently running saturn mahadasha and mercury bhukti

my rahu sits in my 8 house taurus in rohini nakshtra

Thanks

[takla]

Saindhaviji,
i am libra lagna libra rasi (mine is Libra Lagna / Taurus Rasi)

currently running saturn mahadasha and mercury bhukti

my rahu sits in my 8 house taurus in rohini nakshtra (my Rahu in 8th with Moon and Jupiter)

Thanks

Mine is quite similar to yours (except changes in bold above) !.

If it has any relevance and makes sense, would like to add that post May-11, few (if any) of my positive eventful happening happened on Tuesday(s). Somehow I have always maintained that Mars in 12th house (and therefore relating tuesday) was not very positive on my chart. I may have been wrong all along. Thanks.

PS: realized, i am running Sat-Md/Sat-AD/Me-PD

[jolli]

Although the life was stressful and trouble full, but a major event happened in April/May 2011, while had a cascading effect. I am not able to recall exact date, but pretty sure that it was either begining of April or May.

These led to loss of job (though voulantry) by Dec 2011. Still jobless.
I am Leo Lagna with Rahu in 4th House Scorpio and Mars in 9th House Aries.
Was running Rahu-Moon and now Rahu - Mars since Dec 2011.

Had an accident, broken wrist needing planting of clips on 14th Dec 2011.

Saindhavi Jee

can you give a templet or a structure in which we have to report life events. though i have given mine account above, but feel it do not appear to be helpful. Lacking.
If we have a questionaire or a templet we can easily fill and that will be helpful in tabulating experience of various people and help find a underlying pattern if any.

If it has any relevance and makes sense, would like to add that post May-11, few (if any) of my positive eventful happening happened on Tuesday(s). Somehow I have always maintained that Mars in 12th house (and therefore relating tuesday) was not very positive on my chart. I may have been wrong all along. Thanks.

PS: realized, i am running Sat-Md/Sat-AD/Me-PD

It strikes me that all my fight/ arguments etc happened on either Tuesday or Thursday. It became so regular that i was actually scared and avoided people etc on these days. But invariably on these days major arguments and fights happened.

and friday/saturdays were/still relaxed and i used to chill out.in fact will go out, food, drink etc. But tuesday and thursday were terrible.

[Saindhavi]

Ambisan,

Scorpio Rahu has caused problems for you in family matters. This is aligned with a malefic Rahu in your chart.

But a strong Lagna and 2nd house in your chart has saved you from complete chaos in your life.

Takla,

In your case, you have Guru Chandal Yoga. In this Yoga, Jupiter becomes tainted with Rahu's negative energy. This has combined with Rahu's malefic transit in 2nd house and from your account, it does seem that Rahu transited there in early May 2011, rather than in June.

Jollie,

Your case is somewhat like that of Akanksha, as both of you have similar Rahu-Ketu axis in chart. Rahu in Scorpio has overlapped with your chart's Rahu-Ketu axis.

There is no need for a questionnaire.

You can talk about finance, career, family including marriage, wrong judgments made during this period, people backstabbing you, sudden changes in life, anxieties, depressions, travel etc. Only, care has to be taken to see if you noticed a perceptible change since early May 2011 onwards.

Thanks to all the above for your accounts. It helps in understanding Rahu transit and also reinforces the early May transit of Rahu last year.

[Saindhavi]

I'd like to give here the account of a friend to whom I was talking today and it occurred to me to ask her if she faced any problems since early May 2011.

She has Aquarius Lagna, with Rahu benefic in Lagna, aspected by a mild Jupiter from 9th (Libra house). Saturn is debilitated in 3rd and 10th house has Sun in it.

(Trust me to have friends with Rahu in Lagna aspected by Jupiter! )

She is running the benefic Rahu Mahadasha, with Rahu Antardasha since 2010.

She has a permanent government job and is not married (Ketu malefic in 7th).

She said she didn't face any drastic upheavals in her life since early May 2011. But, her promotion has been due since last year and it has been stuck for no valid reason. Her colleagues and seniors have been creating problems for her at work, trying to conspire against her, but they have not been successful in destabilising her. But, people have tried to stall her promotion and it has been stuck for a year and a half.

She said, now the promotion prospects seem to be moving forward and by early November or so, she should get a promotion.

While reading a chart, we should take into account the ground reality. She has a permanent government job, so she couldn't possibly have lost her job, regardless of Mahadasha or transit, unless in an extreme case. Besides, Rahu is benefic in her Lagna and she is running the benefic Rahu Mahadasha. She should actually rise in career and acquire more power in this Mahadasha.

But, Scorpio Rahu in 10th has stalled her promotion, helped by Virgo Saturn in 8th aspecting Rahu in Scorpio and now that it is due to move into Libra, she is about to get her promotion.

See also the dates, which are significant for this experiment - early May 2011 and early November 2012.

[basab14]

She is running the benefic Rahu Mahadasha, with Rahu Antardasha since 2010.

Saindhavi ji,

How are you saying her Rahu is good? I agree that the benefic aspect of Jupiter on it is good, but Rahu works like its dispositor, too, and in her case the dispositor of Rahu is debiliated in 3rd house. She has had problems during the last one and a half years, and she has been just an year or two in the Rahu period, so it can be very well the Rahu period, which is causing problems for her and not the transit of Rahu, which you are thinking. I don't think the Rahu period will be that good for her as you have said.

If she gets a promotion after November, would you please tell me it? I will be sure then that I was wrong in my assessment of her Rahu.

[ambisan]

Saindhaviji ,
Atleast the next rahu transit bring some relief to me. slowly i am getting tired of all things. One small question can please say how my 2 house is stronger, i was always told i have a weaker 2 house.

[Saindhavi]

Ambisan,

Look at the planets in your 2nd house. They have a benefic effect in that house. That's why it's strong.

Yellow,

You know that Aquarius is svarashi for Rahu. Rahu in Lagna is actually causing Neech Bhanga for her. 3rd house is still debilitated, but Rahu has countered the negative impact on the Lagna because of debilitated Lagna Lord.

I have known her for more than 15 years. Rahu in Lagna has given her great strategic powers and the ability to advance herself against all odds. Her adversaries can never win against her. She knows how to successfully turn an adverse situation in her favour by sheer strategy. Conspiracies against her never succeed. Rather, she is quite good at making her rivals ineffective by devising counter-plans against them behind their back - and she always succeeds. Rahu in svarashi Lagna gives her these abilities.

I don't think I can ever devise strategies on her scale to get ahead in the world - I am exactly opposite in strategic powers. If I ever get something, it's because I produce work of such high quality that it's impossible for people to ignore me. And then Rahu works against me behind my back. But in her case, she doesn't have to concentrate too much on her work. She produces work that is better than average, but not exceptional and then she devises strategies to get ahead, by identifying and nullifying her rivals. If you want to see how Rahu functions, you should see her.

In fact that's how she has got this job - by sheer strategy, when she was not likely to get it.

Of course, given her qualifications, she should have got a better job - this is where debilitated Saturn has shown effect. But Rahu has managed to give her growth despite debilitated Lagna Lord.

Of course, it matters that her 10th house is also strong. But my 10th house is also strong. But, I keep on going on a roller-coaster ride in career all the time precisely because I can't devise strategy against my rivals conspiring against me. I don't have Rahu in a Mitra Rashi in Lagna or in Svarashi in Lagna.

I think Rahu-Ketu work more according to where they are placed. Their relation to their dispositor matters, but that's secondary.

I'll definitely tell you how her promotion interview goes and how her Rahu Mahadasha continues overall. I'll also write about her Rahu Mahadasha after some time on Explorings' Rahu Mahadasha thread, after it progresses to some extent.

My prediction is that she will reach the peak of her career and will acquire great powers during this Mahadasha. This is really the best part of her life.

Of course, she may still be dissatisfied in some areas of her career because of a debilitated Saturn, but Rahu will make up for it to a large extent.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

by Saindhavi » 21 Sep 2012, 07:24
In addition, instead of going back and checking from 2009, J-Hora topocentric setting adds extra 20 days to 23rd December, hence giving us a date in January 2013 - without realising that there has been an error in calculating 6h of June 2011 itself and they should actually check from 2009 and shift the date back to 6th of Nov, rather than adding an extra 15-20 days, which is creating a further error.

After going through all your posts both in Celestial drama and Saturn and Mars transit in Virgo and Libra, I have come to the conclusion that you are confused, if your set up in J Hora should be Geocentric or Topocentric. Kindly decide for yourself which one to choose. It has been proved time and again that what works best is Geocentric / True positions / Mean nodes. However If you think that Topocentric /true position/True nodes work for you, then use what is best for you. Make up your mind once for all what setting you want to believe in, and stick to it. Don’t get confused, and don’t confuse us.

U have used a Geocentric / true node setting , calculated Rahu’s transit and then declared on the forum that J hora is wrong and Narasimha Rao has to correct his soft ware, and that J hora is not reliable. What other software have you used? What have you compared J hora with? You think you know everything, you did not even care to understand what LOVCRS has said.

by Saindhavi » 21 Sep 2012, 07:24
P Srinivas Raoji tells me on another thread that Rahu should shift house after 550 days, i.e. exactly 18 months, though he has calculated only from 6th of June last year, not from 2009 transit. I have asked him to read this thread -

T.C. - Saindhavi.JPG

Have I used the words "exactly" anywhere in my posts? I never said 18 months = exact 550 days. Instead, I said “ approximately after 18 months “ and " after 550 days ". I don’t know from which book you got this exact 18 months. It would be better if you please name the authenticated book , I would like to read it. please dont quote me out of context

You said it is very simple calculation and shown how u arrived at 564 . Kindly correct ur calculation. It should be 566 and not 564, and also 367 not 365.( refer celestial drama 21 sept )

You are totally confused and u wants to confuse others by bringing Topocentric , Geocentric, and your weird calculation, and then blaming J hora, other soft wares, and even the panchangas.


To be continued ........

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

by Saindhavi » 21 Sep 2012, 07:24
So, this explains why Neelkumar's father couldn't give the degrees of Rahu transit with dates - because Panchang shows it in terms of Nakshatra pada.
Here are the planetary positions given in http://Drikpanchang.com, an online Panchang -
6th November 2009 06:49:39
(Friday)
Rahu (Ra) 00° Cap 35' 45.59"
Ketu (Ke) 00° Can 35' 45.59" Hence, this is the date of transit.
6th June 2011 06:58:07
(Monday)
Rahu (Ra) 00° Sag 01' 11.55"
Ketu (Ke) 00° Gem 01' 11.55" Hence, this is the date of transit.
Time lapse between 2 dates - Exact 19 months !

You have given 2 different Degrees on 6-11-2009 and 6-6-2011 and said that the difference comes to 19 years exactly. kindly Keep the degrees equal to both the dates and then see. You are confusing others by taking your own dates. Here you should know when Rahu enters Makara and leaves Makara. Compare those dates and degrees with your Drik panchanga and then see if there is any difference in number of days between J Hora and Drikpanchanga.

I really don’t understand what you want to prove without knowing the subject. Kindly provide me the TEXT where Rahu takes an exact 19 years ( as said by u ) in a Rashi. Kindly don’t guess this 19 years and make others to believe your words. Pl never do this again. U just wasted my time in making u to understand where u have gone wrong.

For your kind information, every astrologer who can understand the Panchanga will also know the degree of a graha in a Pada, if not, he will not be able to calculate in which Pada the Graha is. If you don’t know to read a Panchanga don’t just make Blanket statements.

To be continued ........

[Saindhavi]

P Srinivas Raoji,

I have clearly written 19 months and not 19 years - please read that post again.

In fact, I have argued that even 19 months is wrong because it is off by one month.

Please read those posts again. I think it's clear what I have tried to say there.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

by Saindhavi » 21 Sep 2012, 07:24
There is another discrepancy in this date - From 6th of June 2011 to 23rd Dec 2012 it's actually 564 days -not 550 days, the actual priod of the nodal transit in one house!
This is easy to calculate - 6th June 2011 to 6th June 2012 = 365 days + 6th June 2012 to 23rd Dec 2012 = 199 days.
365 + 199 = 564 days, so we are in excess of the period of nodal transit by 564-550 = 14 days!
First we exceeded in 2011 by a month and now we are exceeding by 14 days in 2012.
This makes a total excess of 44-45 days!

You said it is very simple calculation and shown us how you have arrived at 564 . Kindly correct your calculation. It should be 566 days and not 564, and also 367 not 365.

Now come back to the subject:-

Rahu takes 566 days - 2 hours - and 58 Minutes +\- 2 minutes in each Rashi. This is constant and cannot change provided u set ur jhora to Mean mode, True position and Geo centric. - Mangalore ( Refer N . C Lahiri Ephemeries and then talk )

Rahu came to Vrischika last time on 6-06-2011 at 16-58.16 Hrs. Mangalore.

So with the above calculation Rahu should come to Vrischika again on 11 -01-2030. at 4 : 29 hrs +\- 2 minutes Mangalore.

He takes 18 years 7 months 4 days 11 hrs and 31 minutes +\- 2 minutes to complete one full rotation of the Zodiac

That means Rahu stays in one Rashi for 566 days or 18 months 26 days +\- 2 minutes.

I hope the matter is well settled. Don't blame J hora or for that matter any other softwares or panchangas This is not good , We should do our home work properly and not just blame calculation, softwares , panchangas etc, etc blindly.

Regards
P. S Rao

[basab14]

Saindhavi ji,

Thank you for writing in details about your friend as to how Rahu showed its effect on her. I have got your point. Looking forward to your posts on her Rahu period, in Exploring's thread, as to how things turn up for her in that period and also about how she does in her promotion interview. Thanks once more for your post, explaining your point of view elaborately.

[Saindhavi]

P Srinivasraoji,

1) I quoted you from the other thread where you said Rahu will change signs after 550 days on 23rd Dec. Please go back to that post and see I have quoted you there and have also clearly said I was quoting you.

2) Rahu came into Sagittarius on 6th of Nov 2009.

Adding 566 days according to your latest post above - 6th of Nov 2009 + 566 days = 22nd of May, not 6th of June.

So, even if we take your current figure of 566 days, 6th of June is still wrong date.

3) Please also read Neelkumar's post above, where he quoted Basab (yellow) reading his chart in March 2011, where Basab had actually referred to Rahu's Scorpio transit in coming May 2011.

So, before May 2011, not only had I seen Rahu's Scorpio transit date in early May 2011, but Basab had also seen it and he had even read charts with that date.

4) The above proves that 6h of June 2011 is not only wrong, even taking 566 days from 6th of Nov 2009, but it has been actually changed from an earlier data, which showed early May 2011.

5) Now, look at the dates of transition in Jagannath Hora topocentric setting -

2nd Nov 2009 - Rahu in Capricorn at 0-06 degree - hence, this is the date of transition.

1st May 2011 - Rahu in Sagittarius at 0-12 degree - again, this is the date of transition

Time lapse between 2 dates - Exact 18 years .

14th Jan 2013 - Rahu in Scorpio at 0-01 - again, this is the date of transition.

Time lapse since last transition - 20 months and 13 days!

Time lapse between 2 transits is not constant.

At least in the first case, it takes 18 months for transit, but in the 2nd case it's taking 20 months and 13 days - which is not acceptable.

1 or 2 days' discrepancy is acceptable in calculation, but this kind of wide discrepancy is not acceptable.

[basab14]

3) Please also read Neelkumar's post above, where he quoted Basab (yellow) reading his chart in March 2011, where Basab had actually referred to Rahu's Scorpio transit in coming May 2011.

So, before May 2011, not only had I seen Rahu's Scorpio transit date in early May 2011, but Basab had also seen it and he had even read charts with that date.

Saindhavi ji,

I got to know about the transit of Rahu in May 2011 from the ephemeris that we have here in Vaughn Paul's website. Here's the link for it: http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ep ... ay2011.htm

[Saindhavi]

Yellow,

Thanks and yes - it shows Rahu moving into Scorpio in early May - which should be currect.

[lovacrs]

I got to know about the transit of Rahu in May 2011 from the ephemeris that we have here in Vaughn Paul's website. Here's the link for it: http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ep ... ay2011.htm

If you see the LOVA ephemeris Ra moves into Li on 14th Jan probably based on true nodes. This confirms that there is no problem with JHora or any of the other software.

[basab14]

You are welcome, Saindhavi ji.

Yellow,

Thanks and yes - it shows Rahu moving into Scorpio in early May - which should be currect.

[basab14]

CRS,

Does that mean that when we use true nodes the transit of Rahu will be for 20 months, instead of 18? I am using true nodes in Jhora, and it shows the transit of Rahu in May 2011 to Scorpio and January 2012 to Libra, exactly like in the ephemeris Vaughn Paul has posted here on his website.

[Saindhavi]

Rahu can't take 20 months and 13 days to move from one house to another - when each Rashi is divided into 30 degrees.

It simply means this data is wrong and it has to be corrected. Just because an ephemeris table or software shows it, it doesn't mean it's correct.

[lovacrs]

CRS,

Does that mean that when we use true nodes the transit of Rahu will be for 20 months, instead of 18? I am using true nodes in Jhora, and it shows the transit of Rahu in May 2011 to Scorpio and January 2012 to Libra, exactly like in the ephemeris Vaughn Paul has posted here on his website.

No. The assumption that it takes 18 months exactly in all signs is flawed. Ephemeris data is widely validated. It will be preposterous to question the accuracy of a scale based on the measurement of cloth. To understand this correctly, please follow these steps:

1. As Rao sir put it, decide on what to use - Geocentric vs topo centric, true nodes vs mean nodes. Does not matter what you choose. But stik to it.
2. Take JHora (or any of the ephemeris) - Note down the transit dates for last 12 signs.

You will see the total period of 12 signs to be approximately 18 years. The period of each sign will be different. This should not surprise you since the movement across the zodiac for any body is not uniform. For e.g., lagna takes 1hr 42 minutes to pass through Aq and 2 hr 10 mts for Sc. From whatver little physics I know, I think this is due to the fact that Earth moves around Sun in an ellipse (which in turn translates into the apparent motion of astro bodies across the zodiac) and the angular speed is not uniform.