Remedies- Do they work or not?

[astrohajare]

My mercury is not afflicted , seems you are talking about wrong person.My 10th lord is very strong so i trust in free will ( Karma yog).May be your 9th lord is strong so you talk about destiny.No harm I just tried to open your eyes. You are taking some revenge against somebody on the forum.Please dont spoil your karmas.Same I will request to yellow also. By the way i dont know anybody personaly on this forum.

Everyone here thinks your mercury is afflicted. Even your moon is also afflicted. Everyone laughs here at your posts as if you are talking to a wall. It was really hilarious to read your earlier posts. Improve your karmas man. Improve your k ... l:[/quote]
How to improve my karmas you said no free will.

[astroboy]

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[astroboy]

by deeps » Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:25 pm
I remember one proverb which the senior member had told to yellow- " That on every grain of rice is written the name of every person" It is quite surprising to see that he has now changed his mind and now advocating the so-called freewill. Maybe Yellow remembers and if wishes, can quote the exact saying.

That "senior member" is me, let me quote it for you again,

daane daane pe likha hai, khaane waale kaa naam
lene waale karod, dene waala ek raam
koi kitana amiir ho, ya kitana gharib
paaye utana hi jitana hai us ka nasib

On each grain is written, the name of the person who shall eat it,
there are crores of people willing to take,
but there is only one Raam Who gives it,

No matter how rich or how poor,
They shall receive, only to the extent of how lucky they are.

You create your luck past, present, and future with your own "free will". You work hard, you get paid more. "Luck" is nothing but the result of the Good karmas performed in the past / present by the use of a person's "free will". It is as simple as that. One gets what he deserves. No more, No less. God is not merciless to throw one soul in Somalia and the other in Sweden and watch the fun. Each soul earns his own place on this earth by using his "free will". Some land in yemen, and some land in Dubai. Some eat 1 meal a day, and some 5.

[deeps]

Dear ,

How do you define freewill?

About those remedies, I was looking for the remedies for my friend, born on the same date as you. He has a debilitated Guru too. My efforts to make him understand was not working. So hence quoted these remedies on his behalf. But even after trying so many remedies, no improvement in his situation. He has now filed for divorce.

About politics, he is still stuck up in bad politics.

[deeps]

You create your luck past, present, and future with your own "free will". You work hard, you get paid more. "Luck" is nothing but the result of the Good karmas performed in the past / present by the use of a person's "free will". It is as simple as that. One gets what he deserves. No more, No less. God is not merciless to throw one soul in Somalia and the other in Sweden and watch the fun. Each soul earns his own place on this earth by using his "free will". Some land in yemen, and some land in Dubai. Some eat 1 meal a day, and some 5.

Enlighten me what new karmas you have done in this life? Or how do you define new karmas?

[Saindhavi]

Deeps wrote -

By the way can you give the link where the high quality pearl are available for rs 2000 in Bangalore or Delhi?

Deeps,

Have you heard of Cottage Emporium on Janpath, New Delhi?

Do visit it sometime.

Cottage Emporium is a government enterprise, where authentic gems are sold on government regulated prices with certification. And yes, it is possible to get a 5 carats pearl there for Rs. 2000/-, or less.

There is a special section for gems there, where you can get all gems at reasonable prices and their quality is amongst the best I have seen so far.

At Cottage, you'll get not only gems, but also sandalwood necklaces and all kinds of rich exotic handicrafts from all over India.

Unfortunately, they haven't gone into online business yet. Someone should give them that idea.

Deeps wrote -

The fact of the matter is that People with strong 3rd Lord always believe they are their own master of their destiny. They are destined to think that way. .

I have a strong 3rd Lord and I used to believe that way till I came into Rahu-Sun. I am no longer destined to think that way.

[basab14]

Deeps wrote -

The fact of the matter is that People with strong 3rd Lord always believe they are their own master of their destiny. They are destined to think that way. .

I have a strong 3rd Lord and I used to believe that way till I came into Rahu-Sun. I am no longer destined to think that way.

Deeps and Saindhavi ji,

I have also a strong 3rd house and 3rd lord, but I never believed that efforts pay. My Mars is weak, though, and I feel both Mars and 3rd house has to be checked before telling whether a person will believe in free will or in destiny. I also feel that a person believes in free will as long as everything is going fine for him. It's when he sees his efforts not giving results that he understands that free will is not there, it's destiny only that rules.

I have noticed that when people find success in life they always say that it is their free will, which got them success, and when they fail, they say it is their destiny which brought them failure, but if everything happens as per one's previous life karmas, then the success should also be thought to be happening as per one's destiny and not as per his free will.

[astrohajare]

Deeps wrote -

The fact of the matter is that People with strong 3rd Lord always believe they are their own master of their destiny. They are destined to think that way. .

I have a strong 3rd Lord and I used to believe that way till I came into Rahu-Sun. I am no longer destined to think that way.

Deeps and Saindhavi ji,

I have also a strong 3rd house and 3rd lord, but I never believed that efforts pay. My Mars is weak, though, and I feel both Mars and 3rd house has to be checked before telling whether a person will believe in free will or in destiny. I also feel that a person believes in free will as long as everything is going fine for him. It's when he sees his efforts not giving results that he understands that free will is not there, it's destiny only that rules.

I have noticed that when people find success in life they always say that it is their free will, which got them success, and when they fail, they say it is their destiny which brought them failure, but if everything happens as per one's previous life karmas, then the success should also be thought to be happening as per one's destiny and not as per his free will.

Retro 9th lord mercury can give confusion.

[basab14]

Cottage Emporium is a government enterprise, where authentic gems are sold on government regulated prices with certification. And yes, it is possible to get a 5 carats pearl there for Rs. 2000/-, or less.

There is a special section for gems there, where you can get all gems at reasonable prices and their quality is amongst the best I have seen so far.

Saindhavi ji,

The first pearl I wore costed me Rs 500. I went to the palmist, who had suggested it to me, to say that it was not having any effect on me, and he said it is not a pearl, and so I was not getting any effect of it. Then we went to many jewellery shops, and they showed us pearls ranging from Rs 2,000-20,000 depending on its quality. Then we went to the best shop in our city and bought a good quality one for Rs 10,000. They showed us more expensive ones, too. Mine was of 7 carats. And we bought it in 2004, I think. That pearl also didn't have any effect either good or bad, so I stopped wearing it after one year.

My dad had worn pearls all his life, and he told me that it won't have any effect as he has seen in his own life, but then, I was young and gullible. I told my dad that 3-4 astrologers had suggested it to me and had said that it would help me a lot, so I wanted to buy it. My dad didn't refuse to buy it for me, though he knew he was wasting that money as he wanted me to learn from my own experience. I feel bad about it that I wasted his money for a useless gemstone.

I have been suggested other gemstones too like coral, emerald, hassonite, blue sapphire, and ruby, but then, I thought of not trying gemstones anymore. I have seen many of my friends and relatives wear gemstones and say that they had seen no effect, so that is how I came to the opinion that gemstones don't work. I am yet to find someone for whom gemstones worked, except one person for whose father it worked he said, but one can't be sure if it was his father's destiny, which saved him or the gemstone.

[astrohajare]

Gem stone works if it is presented by some of dearest person.Or buy 2 stones 1 donate 1 wear it will give result.

[astrohajare]

No remedy no gem will work for those who misguiding people regarding free will & destiny.

[basab14]

Deeps,

Everything happens as per the law of karma: "as you sow, so shall you reap". And God is not outside us, but inside us. He is pervading this whole universe. The murderer is God, the person murdered is God, the knife used for murder is God, the police who arrests the murderer is God, and the judge who gives jail sentence as punishment to the murderer is also God. It is just to make it convenient for ourselves that we think God is sitting in heaven doing justice.

When we pray to God, we are praying to our own selves. This world is God's play, and everything happens as per His will. We don't realize we are God because the reality is hidden from us by the veil of maya. Now, coming to free will, destiny, law of karma, the whole show is run by God.

This world is like a movie, and we all are actors in it, playing our roles to perfection. Some get the role of a successful person, and some get the role of a unsuccessful person, and some others are chosen as hero and some as villains, but they all are good in reality. No one is bad.

When we realize that this world is nothing more than a movie, we stop debating on destiny and free will and remedies and law of karma and God's grace because everything is unreal, everything is maya, till we wake up to the reality, which is, there is one only one God, who pervades in every one's body as the paramatma, the supreme soul.

'Those who have realized God are aware that free will is a mere appearance. In reality man is the machine and God its Operator, man is the carriage and God its Driver.' -- Sri Ramakrishna

'It is all decided beforehand by God what each one shall receive.' -- Sri Ramakrishna

'Whatever belongs to a man he will get. It was ready for him before he was born.' -- Swami Vivekananda

Yellow ji,

Why people pray? They pray to find solutions to problems, to forgive their sins, etc. But can God forgive murderers, rapists, drunk people, fraudsters? Can God forgives those who deliberately treat their parents poorly? Can God forgives those who misused their powers?

Can God forgives those astrologers who take advantage of gullible people? Can God forgives those who do black magics? Look at those who does black magics, their lives are filled with pain and miseries.

The roots source of all problems is sins that they committed in the first instance.

First commit a sin, then ask God to forgive them. This is stupidity. !!!!

[astrohajare]

Deeps,

Everything happens as per the law of karma: "as you sow, so shall you reap". And God is not outside us, but inside us. He is pervading this whole universe. The murderer is also God, the person murdered is also God, the knife used for murder is also God, the police who arrests the murderer is also God, and the judge who gives jail sentence as punishment to the murderer is also God. It is just to make it convenient for ourselves that we think God is sitting in heaven doing justice.

When we pray to God, we are praying to our own selves. This world is God's play, and everything happens as per His will. We don't realize we are God because the reality is hidden from us by the veil of maya. Now, coming to free will, destiny, law of karma, the whole show is run by God. This world is like a movie, and we all are the actors in the movie. Some gets the role of a successful person and some get the role of failures, and some other are chosen as the hero and some are villains, but they all are good in reality. No one is bad.

When we realize this world is nothing more than a movie, we stop debating on destiny and free will and remedies and law of karma and God's grace because everything is unreal, everything is maya, till we wake up to the reality, which is there is one only one God who pervades in every one's body as the paramatma, the supreme soul.

'Those who have realized God are aware that free will is a mere appearance. In reality man is the machine and God its Operator, man is the carriage and God its Driver.' -- Sri Ramakrishna

'It is all decided beforehand by God what each one shall receive.' -- Sri Ramakrishna

'It is all decided beforehand by God what each one shall receive.' -- Sri Ramakrishna

Yellow ji,

Why people pray? They pray to find solutions to problems, to forgive their sins, etc. But can God forgive murderers, rapists, drunk people, fraudsters? Can God forgives those who deliberately treat their parents poorly? Can God forgives those who misused their powers?

Can God forgives those astrologers who take advantage of gullible people? Can God forgives those who do black magics? Look at those who does black magics, their lives are filled with pain and miseries.

The roots source of all problems is sins that they committed in the first instance.

First commit a sin, then ask God to forgive them. This is stupidity. !!!!

Post by post you are talking same thing. Of course lagnesh in 8th you are expecting some miracle to happen.
You done enough ,now stop.

[basab14]

A wonderful article by Vaughn Paul, which talks about surrendering to our destiny: http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/da ... 080607.htm

[deeps]

I agree with you completely. Destiny reins supreme!!!

[Saindhavi]

Yellow,

Ramananji has said several times that my Mars is extra strong. In fact, except my partially combust Saturn, all of my planets are quite strong - my mother thinks it's not good for a woman's chart, but that's besides the point. I think otherwise.

So, a weak Mars is not the issue in my case.

If ever you want to buy a gem, try the Cottage.

I think I can say something about all this remedy business -

It's true that when people face problems, they look for astrological remedies and when their situation improves, they immediately deny that remedies have worked for them. So, it's almost impossible to collect data about this issue.

I saw an example of this recently. I was advising a friend of mine who had lost all career options and despite running a good Mahadasha for last 3 years or so, she hadn't seen any improvement in her situation. I told her to wear a gem and perform some Pujas related to the afflictions in her chart.

Till 3 months back, nothing was working for her. But after 3 months of Puja and about 1 month of wearing the gem (related to her Ascendant), things began to move and she began to see positive developments in her career - despite the fact that her chart shows no scope of a proper career. All the combinations related to career are spoilt.

I myself was surprised, as I hadn't really expected her to get the result of her remedies so soon, with her kind of chart.

But after 3 months, when she began to see positive results, she suddenly turned around and said she had got all these results by her own efforts, remedies had no effect and she was stopping to perform the remedies. I told her that she hadn't got the result of her efforts in last 2-3 years, because her chart actually doesn't have much scope for career. Hence, she had been getting these positive results only because of remedies. Otherwise, her efforts would have paid off in last 2-3 years without remedies.

But she didn't agree with me and said she was not going to do any remedies anymore.

I have written in my Rahu Mahadasha account that I didn't get an astrologer when I needed him the most and I didn't get correct remedies till Rahu Mahadasha was over - because I was destined to face the entire blow of Rahu.

There is another person I know, who is running Rahu Mahadasha. I am the person who suggests remedies to scores of people, but I can't suggest Rahu remedies to this person. The situation doesn't allow it. He is perhaps destined to face Rahu Mahadasha.

I have seen many cases like this.

I have said elsewhere that one gets correct remedies only when it's in one's destiny to get them. If it's not the time for correct remedies, one doesn't get them, or doesn't perform them, or faces obstacles in performing them.

One also gets a good astrologer when it's the destiny of a person to get a good astrologer. Otherwise, one can get a bad astrologer, wrong reading and wrong remedies - this happens frequently in malefic Mahadashas such as those of Rahu and Saturn.

To this, now I can add, based on this woman's case, that even after getting the correct remedies, one performs them only as long as one is destined to derive benefit out of them.

This woman's chart does not show a proper career. So, how could I suggest her remedies and mould her destiny to have career? Remedies can't exceed the intrinsic potential of a chart. So, she performed remedies only for a short while to derive small benefits and then stopped performing them. Her chart won't allow her to perform remedies for career, because she is not supposed to have career according to her chart.

It's not as if you can just use remedies like magic and change the entire reading of your chart. You can get only as much benefit as you are destined to get.

Remedies and chart readings are also dictated by destiny.

But, this does not mean that we should not try. Because we don't know how much benefit is written in our destiny. Only by trying the remedies we know.

[deeps]

But after 3 months, when she began to see positive results, she suddenly turned around and said she had got all these results by her own efforts, remedies had no effect and she was stopping to perform the remedies. I told her that she hadn't got the result of her efforts in last 2-3 years, because her chart actually doesn't have much scope for career. Hence, she had been getting these positive results only because of remedies. Otherwise, her efforts would have paid off in last 2-3 years without remedies.

Did after removing gem and not doing remedies, her situation became reversal?

[Saindhavi]

She has stopped only recently. I can tell you after a few months how things go for her.

But the kind of sudden, impractical decisions she has taken regarding her career - along with the decision to stop remedies - there is not much hope for her to reach anywhere. She is basically ruining her career prospects by her impractical decisions related to career.

Till a week ago she was thinking and planning practically and realistically, but there is a sudden turn around in her career plans for the road downhill. And she is the type of person who doesn't listen to advices.

[deeps]

Saindhavi ji,

One thing I must clear the fact- I personally don't believe in remedies. But no one has the RIGHT to change my belief.

[deeps]

She has stopped only recently. I can tell you after a few months how things go for her.

But the kind of sudden, impractical decisions she has taken regarding her career - along with the decision to stop remedies - there is not much hope for her to reach anywhere. She is basically ruining her career prospects by her impractical decisions related to career.

Till a week ago she was thinking and planning practically and realistically, but there is a sudden turn around in her career plans for the road downhill. And she is the type of person who doesn't listen to advices.

There is a mention of the word "sudden" many times, is she undergoing Rahu dasha?

About remedies in beneficial periods, what is the need to do remedies? It is simple, if a period running is good, then positive events will automatically happen. We cannot say for sure that the good times in good period are due to remedies.

[Saindhavi]

I am not trying to change your belief. I myself believe in everyone's right to follow whatever they like.

I just expressed my own thoughts on the issue. I have a right to express my thoughts.

I am not expecting anyone to change according to what I write, or even agree with me.

About the queries above -

I said she is running a benefic Mahadasha.

Even in benefic periods one can need remedies if the planets giving benefic effect are weak or afflicted. It varies in each chart how much remdies will have effect. For example, in her chart, despite a benefic period, there is little scope for career. The period is benefic in the sense that this is the Mahadasha of a natural benefic in her chart and she is no longer being harmed by others. "Benefic" can have different meanings. If the career-related combinations are spoilt, benefic period won't give a career on its own. And remedies will have effect only as much as destiny dictates. How much the destiny dictates, we can't know without trying.

I also said that despite a good Mahadasha, she was not getting results in career till she tries remedies, because the chart itself is afflicted in career prospects.

[deeps]

Even in benefic periods one can need remedies if the planets giving benefic effect are weak or afflicted. It varies in each chart how much remdies will have effect. For example, in her chart, despite a benefic period, there is little scope for career. The period is benefic in the sense that this is the Mahadasha of a natural benefic in her chart and she is no longer being harmed by others. "Benefic" can have different meanings. If the career-related combinations are spoilt, benefic period won't give a career on its own. And remedies will have effect only as much as destiny dictates. How much the destiny dictates, we can't know without trying.

I also said that despite a good Mahadasha, she was not getting results in career till she tries remedies, because the chart itself is afflicted in career prospects.

Well, Saindhavi ji, It is antardasha and pratynatar dashas that are used to time the events.

[Saindhavi]

Deeps,

I know that.

These events have happened within the same Antar an Pratyanatr Dasha. The only variable here is the performance of remedies and stopping to perform the remedies.

[deeps]

You mean to say that she got the job within the same pratyantar dasha?

[Saindhavi]

She didn't get the job - the situation became favourable for her. Earlier, no one was willing to even talk to her about a job prospect, because of some glaring red flags in her profile. Now, some people are willing to at least consider her case.

She has not faced the interview yet. But through these 3 months, she has been running the same Antar and Pratyantar Dasha.

I can tell you when the interview happens and how it goes. But she has already taken some decisions which may create a further negative impression of her profile.