Astrology & General Discussion on Birth Charts

[manya]

Yellow ji,

Proof of destiny being predestined:

Here's quoting from page 282 of the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda (Volume 7):

'"I was born," he continued in answer to a question, "in Bengal and became a monk and a celibate from choice. At my birth my father had a horoscope taken of my life, but would never tell me what it was. Some years ago when I visited my home, my father having died, I came across the chart among some papers in my mother's possession and saw from it that I was destined to become a wanderer on the face of the earth."'

Even I get this lecture everyday at home, and then....

One year back, I had a good job, and rising career. I left my job because of the circumstances, because I had no choice.

Even today, I want to work, I can work, I was rated among the best employees wherever i worked so far, I need job, and even after I left my job I had two more offers to work and was offered a high salary too...But the fact is I cannot work as i cannot compromise on other things, which need my urgent and full attention at the moment. I left my job out of choice and am jobless kind of ...it is more out of choice...am very well aware of repercussions.....it will be difficult for me get a good job if i remain like this for another one year...and etc etc....which matches my chart too...venus in debilitation in d9...

Now when someone see my chart, there u can see job issues, and other issues in which i will remain stuck for few years...

the question is why this kind of situation came in front of me where i have to chose among my career and my son...
i have seen many girls working with their small kids and without any support system...BUT I CANNOT WORK because my son is severely sick, had he been well i could not have left my job....

This situation I call destiny......

[basab14]

Akansha ji,

It's not just you. If you talk to the members of this forum and ask them about their lives, I can bet on this that 90% of them will tell you that everything is predestined, and there is no free will. If there was free will, no one would be here wasting their time in finding out what their birth charts say.

[manya]

Yellow ji,

But then people are there who tell you that we are wasting time here and there is nothing like destiny...

Someone on the previous page itself...

[basab14]

Akansha ji,

Those who come here to tell us not to waste time on getting our charts analysed, what are they doing here? Why are they wasting their time, being here? I don't think people who don't believe in astrology will waste their time here. And then, I said 90% people will talk about destiny. I have left 10% space for those who believes in free will.

[manya]

Yellow ji,

I could very well understand if someone is not getting job after trying several times.

But my situation, I cannot go back to work, I was called to join back from my previous company few days back. I think if I try today also I will get something....And I want to work IF I have a support system .......which i dont have...so i am not left with any choice.

Is it not destiny that I am in this situation...Why is destiny not giving me chance to exercise my free will...???

No matter how much I try can i get back the happiness for my mom? I cannot, only think i can do is to not create more trouble to her...Is it not destiny????Destiny is that she is in pain, my free will is that my actions should not trouble her more....

I dont know really.....this destiny and free will i fail to understand...

[basab14]

Akansha ji,

I feel it is your destiny that you are in a situation, where you don't have the choice to exercise your free will. Believe me, it's the same for most people. But then, those who believe in free will, you can ask them, how you can exercise your free will in the situation you are in now. Maybe they will be able to come up with some solution for you.

[Dev]

The same person can come out with different answers at different times on topics such as this-destiny and free will since no answer would look perfect.
I have an answer in mind now.
I feel that for those with lot of negative karma carried over, everything seems to be destined and free will is almost absent.
For those with positive karma, luck favours them and they try to do something and it works, even buying a lottery and winning the prize, they feel they are doing it and using their free will, they may tell someone who will keep trying and never win. So again it may be their destiny to win but still they may feel they use their free will. But then in certain areas, there is still scope for free will, since if everything is 100% destined then pariharas should not work. Either that one would pursue pariharas and have a good change itself may be destined or other way, it could be the free will used by him. So here is the confusion for me, whether it is fate which such a person wrongly imagines to be free will or it is free will to some extent which brings changes.
But the more you think, the more confused one would become on these topics and so it is better to feel that pariharas work and can be used as per free will in order to benefit. If it does not work, think, fate is stronger and keep quiet.

Dev

[deeps]

Dev Ji,

Let me be honest with you.

You have so many planets in 3rd house of initiative, courage and self-efforts. Believe me, you are destined to believe in making efforts and you will always think you are the doer, hence you will always advocate free will, when in fact, it is your destiny to believe in that so.

In short, you are not destined to believe in destiny in totality.

We have people who rise with very little efforts in life, which means weak 3rd house and then we have people who rise after making lots of efforts, which means their 3rd house is strong. The end results are same.

[deeps]

Why is december tooooooooooo far, why dont we have just 2 hrs in a day..............Rahu is killing me inside outside both.

well well..This shall too PASS...

[deeps]

Proof of destiny being predestined:

Here's quoting from page 282 of the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda (Volume 7):

'"I was born," he continued in answer to a question, "in Bengal and became a monk and a celibate from choice. At my birth my father had a horoscope taken of my life, but would never tell me what it was. Some years ago when I visited my home, my father having died, I came across the chart among some papers in my mother's possession and saw from it that I was destined to become a wanderer on the face of the earth."'

I have already told you many times that Saints deliberately try to hide this fact about destiny being predestined from us as they know majority of the masses will not accept this fact and don't want to hurt their sentiments.

[deeps]

Can learned astrologers help me understand the implication of Rahu in 4th house. The sign is scorpio.

I want to know what all areas of life it will affect and whats the implication of the same. The depositor of Rahu is Mars, in own sign Aries in 9th House.

Also Sun being lagnesha in 12th house. Whats it denotes.



23 July 1975 At New Delhi 7 35 am

Rahu is generally not welcome in 4th house as malefics tend to harm the domestic happiness, problems with house, vehicles, etc.

However, the depositor Mars is in 9th house which means you will possess lands and properties and vehicles. But Rahu in 4th house can give issues with houses like maintenance problems, and so on.

[basab14]

Yes, man, I completely agree with you on this. Not many people have the courage to accept it that nothing is in their hands, so saints normally don't reveal this truth to everyone.

Proof of destiny being predestined:

Here's quoting from page 282 of the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda (Volume 7):

'"I was born," he continued in answer to a question, "in Bengal and became a monk and a celibate from choice. At my birth my father had a horoscope taken of my life, but would never tell me what it was. Some years ago when I visited my home, my father having died, I came across the chart among some papers in my mother's possession and saw from it that I was destined to become a wanderer on the face of the earth."'

I have already told you many times that Saints deliberately try to hide this fact about destiny being predestined from us as they know majority of the masses will not accept this fact and don't want to hurt their sentiments.

[jegdis5]

I am enjying each and every post...You guys dont get tired of answering each and every one ...Keep it going guys! Much appreciated!

[basab14]

Very glad to know that you are enjoying reading the posts in this thread, Jedgis. Thanks for the encouraging words.

[Dev]

Deep:

Yes, you are right. I always think I did things when I do well When I have some problems, I think it is fate. But then that is Human Nature.

Dev

[deeps]

NUTTY THINGS DONE IN THE NAME OF LOVE

17 july 1982
6.10 am
Delhi

He is madly in love with a girl whose father is a Judge. His family are worried about him. Will he or will he not? That's the question.

[ranbir]

hi deeps
I was about to ask u about rahu+ venus combination few days back and today u put the chart which has this combination.according to k c saksena the native having this combination are warm hearted and affectionate.this combination is highly karmic and is most programed in relation to past birth,however becoz of the karmic relations to the past the native is not aware what he actually wants to satisfy his emotions and affections. THE MARRIAGE TAKES PLACE SUDDENLY AND UNEXPECTEDLY AS IT IS CONTINUATION OF PAST.

[lilly2005]

I've often felt both father & son, SUN ( free will) and Shani ( destiny) are needed in the right doses for our lives to have some meaning and purpose! Though the duet are complete opposite in nature; they complement each other quite well regardless of which ever one of the 12 houses they reside.

And in keeping up with natural order, Shani ( the responsible son that he is to his father) takes ownership of the two house directly adjacent to each other ( Karma & Labha sthan).. Makar & Kumbha both have the same Ruler, who throws his chains & whips around our neck and keeps us grounded to this very mother earth which we all 7 billion of us live in.. He makes us pay for everything we ever took, but not a penny more or a penny less..The best accountant we've ever met..Shani Deva gets exalted in the blind folded lady holding a scale in her hand says "justice will be served"..AAj nahi to KAAL!

And when the alpha male ( SUN) is busy doing bigger and better things with his time, Shani beta takes charge of the household trying to keep things in the right order. With his seat up high & mighty feeling like a king, he reminds us that our own KARMA will determine the kind of FRUIT we shall be chowing down on our next meal.

But, let us not forget the all in compassing Father, the warm hearted generous SUN, naturally ruling the fiery 5th trinal house of LEO... In Kaal purusha SUN represents our Atman-- that sheds "light" into our ignorant minds, burns and purifies our souls to brings us back to our original satwik guna stage..When we feel the SUN burning (metaphorically) inside ourselves it feels like pure hell..SUN teaches us some of the harshest lessons in life, but it is only for our own good to serve a higher purpose and to make us rise above the oridnary... Is it any wonder the 9th house of Father also rules our dharma and luck.

We all have to deal with this tug-of-war, with both Father-n-Son duet on a daily basis..Sometimes the father wins, but mostly it's shani betaa keeping up the scores since it's his yuga to rule.. While it may feel like Shani's got the best of us, if we only care to look at the symbol of Sun we can understand who is the real RULER..Who's got the a leash on all 7 horses..!!

Lilly

[white]

Dev ji,

Imagine the situation you want friends but you dont want to listen to same old words of sympathy, what happens then?

i totally agree , its a state of cant do with it and at the same time cant do without it. i experience this in all my relations (astrological reasons:- afflicted 7th house) , so i have now learnt that i need to maintain status -quo and increase my tolerance levels .

deeps ji,

i got ur pt on my question of "golden period" , so by this logic i can breath a sign of relief

Everything is destiny, White. I still believe that prayers should be done to become closer to God and not for the selfish desires.

no ,sir , maybe i was nt clear in my post, i didnt mean it in context of selfish reasons, i just wanted to ask that we get so stuck up in rituals (i am not against them) , more so the procedure and how to do it , that we fail to understand that it is the heart /intention of the prayer that is of most importance. then again when we read such narrow thoughts , its gets me thinking as i have my set of insecurities to deal with as a human being
ex: shabri ,tastes each and every fruit before offering to lord Rama which techinically goes againgst food ettiquettes especially while offering it to GOD himself, but then its her intention (n not the procedure) that wins Lord Rama'S heart.

now, i m getting to understand gochar, thank you .

yes very well said

Par kiya karen, destiny did not let him use the freewill

yellowji,

thank you for agreeing with my view for Devji post.
and yes i got your point for the golden age query of mine...

I feel, God is neither blind, nor deaf. He can see what each and everyone is going through in life, and what they are feeling when. So I don't think even prayers should be necessary to get help from God. Now, we have seen that some prayers get answered, and some don't. Why is that? Is God partial to some? I don't think it is so. So it just means this that whose who are destined to get something when they pray, their prayers are answered, and those who are not destined to get something, how much he prays, his prayers are not answered. And then, there are many, who don't need to pray, and get everything they want. Even atheists find success in life. So God helping when in danger is not something that happens in real life--they happen only in novels and movies and serials.

i agree.

also i am waiting for your reply on AL and UL .Plz...

[white]

Deeps ji,

acc to you rahu suits which house the best ?

[Dev]

Yes, White, just because I made myself mentally strong that I am able to live with such a situation, it is similar to being caught between the devil and the deep sea. Many under such circumstances would have gone mad.

Dev

[white]

Akanksha ji,

Why is december tooooooooooo far, why dont we have just 2 hrs in a day..............Rahu is killing me inside outside both.

r u also experiencing rahu md ? or Antar dasha ?

well i m under rahu for 18 yrs now (placed in the 12th house), it finally ends in mid of oct'12 and trust me i am thinking that Oct is too far !!! and why two hrs , i feel heavy with every passing second/mins of an hr so i can understand your state too, whatever ur problems might be, but just gritt your teeth and hang on . Winter always turns into Spring.

[Dev]

White and Akansha:

You can go on a pilgimage to some Holy places with your family and friends and may be spend some of the days of rahu dasa. That period cannot be bad.

Dev

[basab14]

also i am waiting for your reply on AL and UL .Plz...

White,

I really don't know anything about AL and UL. All I know is AL and UL are jamini concepts and that the former is used as an alternative lagna and the latter for predicting on marriage.

[white]

Devi ji
I m doing that locally so to say.

Yellowji ,
Np, i will try finding as much as i can n then get back to u .