Astrology & General Discussion on Birth Charts

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Lightofspirits ji,

Thank u for sharing your issues. Well I will not be commenting on birth-chart or planet positions. I ma sure Yellow ji has seen it and will guide you accordingly. What i would say is you have mentioned the answer to your problem in your explanation. Yes .. you said u r lazy and lack confidence. Well Its ok.. just relax your mind and try to build your confidence. You may also let me know as why you feel loss of confidence.. i mean whats the fear u have in your mind ? If u really feel that u want to do MBA then go ahead and prepare for your CAT and MAT exams..incase, if you havn't done it yet. U need to put in effort my friend. The problem of Rahu will be seen diminishing. There is nothing that can overpower your self will and your dedication. Maybe destiny will make you to go slow, but if u believe in yourself that u really want to have the MBA degree, I m sure the degree is waiting there for u to claim it.

i am trying to understand my problems from the standpoint of astrology .
thank you for your encouragement
i have written alot about my rahu md , and given detailed feedbacks as well , if you go through my previus posts you will understand from where i am coming , also understand my reasons for the same.

yes i am trying hard to stay put , i agree with you and value your words of motivation.
but trust me i have given every bit and ounce of my energy in shaping up things in life, i have genuiely fought till the very end , but in vain , everything back fired, so i am just going to sit back for a while and enjoy the ride of destiny and see what it wants me to see .

but once again many thanks for instilling hope , i truly appreciate it .

[jolli]

Hello Aimless

I have seen some of your posts. Your Rahu MD was not same as many others. For Ex You stayed put in one place. Not went away to work or to study.

Is your Rahu MD over now ??

I guess you have also reached the level where you are not sure how n where to put efforts. It happens. I guess its same with me. So let the time float by for a while.

You know quick sand. More you struggle, deeper you go and get trapped. You have done many things, knocked all doors, now let those things do a round n come back to you with result.

I am sure something good will definatly happen soon. Pray. If possible try to enjoy guiltfree. Do not think that u r not earning or doing good work so you cannot enjoy life. Its your right. birth right. read jokes, watch movies, read novels.

Its like Munnabhai MBBS. take a break. chill ...relax.

God bless you

[LightOfSpirits]

Hi Aimless,'
I am so happy to see your reply so soon. And of course thank u so much for the appreciations. Well I m sure all will be fine soon. Don't loose your hope and keep your prayers to God. Trust me it works. About the astrological part I am sure there are many good astrologers here who have seen your Rahu MD details and will surely be able to guide you.
God bless you and as Jolli said, "Pray. If possible try to enjoy guiltfree. Do not think that u r not earning or doing good work so you cannot enjoy life. Its your right. birth right. read jokes, watch movies, read novels.

Its like Munnabhai MBBS. take a break. chill ...relax. "

Thank u Jolli for the encouraging words to Aimless.

[ranbir]

[quote="aimless"]Ranbir ji and Dev ji ,

Thank you for explaining me vargottam. Just one clarification , i need to compare lagna chart with navamsa ? Correct or lagna chart with rashi chart.[/quote]


hi aimless
ya compare lagan chart with navamsha chart

ranbir

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Deeps ji,

my technical analysis is as follows...

she is my mother's friend's daughter, but i dont know her that well. just an acquitance for me.

well this girl is leo lagna, in lagna chart and navamsa both, so vargottam lagna ?? now i know i am adding numerology here bt if you see her birthdate total (1+4=5) , again its a leo total ,hence she is extremely dominating.

so she doesnt "settle for something less" easily.

then in her partner house we have mercury with khumbh rashi so saturn as the lord of that house, both are old ,slow and napunsak , together causing the delay, and she is running saturn MD but i dnt knw how to interpret the venus sititng out there in the 7th house ?
even her navamsa chart has the same sequence of rashi, so staurn again is occupying the partner house.

she is a manglik in lagna chart , and her chandra chart ,navamsa chart too makes her manglik and adds a shani dosh as well.
again there is a exchange of sorts with her 7th house and 2nd house w.r.t saturn and mercury. saturn sitting in 2nd house with virgo/mercury rashi and mercury is sitting in the 7th house with khumbh/saturn rashi. this is suppose to be a good exchange but i guess on the flip side it is delaying her marriage ??

jupiter , the only enemy planet in her chart, takes up the 7th house in her chandra rashi.

she is doing very well in her career , is a ca, draws a fat sum as salary. thats all i knw abt her facts.

now i might be totally wrong so please correct me .

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Jolli ji,

I have seen some of your posts. Your Rahu MD was not same as many others. For Ex You stayed put in one place. Not went away to work or to study.

Is your Rahu MD over now ??

I guess you have also reached the level where you are not sure how n where to put efforts. It happens. I guess its same with me. So let the time float by for a while.

You know quick sand. More you struggle, deeper you go and get trapped. You have done many things, knocked all doors, now let those things do a round n come back to you with result.
I am sure something good will definatly happen soon. Pray. If possible try to enjoy guiltfree. Do not think that u r not earning or doing good work so you cannot enjoy life. Its your right. birth right. read jokes, watch movies, read novels.

Its like Munnabhai MBBS. take a break. chill ...relax.

God bless you

yes , my state is very well summarised by you , n i m doing just that.

like i mentioned to lightof spirits ji --i have given every bit and ounce of my energy in shaping up things in life, i have genuiely fought till the very end , but in vain , everything back fired, so i am just going to sit back for a while and enjoy the ride of destiny and see what it wants me to see .

yea , i have not travelled in rahu as much as rahu shud have made me travel, just one trip abroad trip , bt i have shifted rooms in the same house zillions of times
as per some my rahu gets over by 4th oct, others say 12th oct ..so taking the latter date , i.e 12th oct , precisely 42 days to go !
yes i am using my time to learn new new things. thats all.

thank you for your wishes

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ranbir ji,

thank you for that clarification .

[deeps]

my technical analysis is as follows...

she is my mother's friend's daughter, but i dont know her that well. just an acquitance for me.

well this girl is leo lagna, in lagna chart and navamsa both, so vargottam lagna ?? now i know i am adding numerology here bt if you see her birthdate total (1+4=5) , again its a leo total ,hence she is extremely dominating.

so she doesnt "settle for something less" easily.

then in her partner house we have mercury with khumbh rashi so saturn as the lord of that house, both are old ,slow and napunsak , together causing the delay, and she is running saturn MD but i dnt knw how to interpret the venus sititng out there in the 7th house ?
even her navamsa chart has the same sequence of rashi, so staurn again is occupying the partner house.

she is a manglik in lagna chart , and her chandra chart ,navamsa chart too makes her manglik and adds a shani dosh as well.
again there is a exchange of sorts with her 7th house and 2nd house w.r.t saturn and mercury. saturn sitting in 2nd house with virgo/mercury rashi and mercury is sitting in the 7th house with khumbh/saturn rashi. this is suppose to be a good exchange but i guess on the flip side it is delaying her marriage ??

jupiter , the only enemy planet in her chart, takes up the 7th house in her chandra rashi.

she is doing very well in her career , is a ca, draws a fat sum as salary. thats all i knw abt her facts.

now i might be totally wrong so please correct me .

Yes aimless, you are right. Leo Lagna people are dominating in most of the cases.

Yes you are right with about the exchange. But i did not understand how Guru has taken up 7th house in chandra rashi.

Why her marriage is delayed?

Look at her 7th house. It is in papakatari.

Look at the 7th Lord placement in 2nd house which is 8th house from 7th house.

Look at the malefics apects on Lord Saturn by Sun and Mars.

So many malefics planets are afflicting 7th Lord. This is delaying her marriage. A proposal comes but it breaks at the last moment for some reason or the other.

The saving grace- parivartan Yoga and the benefics planets in 7th house. SHe will get married for sure after some struggles.

[deeps]

Man

30 April 2003.

Filmy style. Since family was not ready, Arranged a flat and equipped with bed, tv, fridge, wash m/c, kitchen. Sent a carvan of few cars. Wife was ready with her suitcases.
i hired a marriage ground and invited friends, colleges etc. Got married and went to our new house.

As my friend still laugh about. I was married away like a bride and left my home. Normally you bring a bride to your home.

[deeps]

Its really a pleasure to be commenting on this post of yours. I had an opportunity to be discussing a lot about this topic with many of my friends.
I feel destiny is predestined and yet not. Its like some default settings done for us when we are born. Same time there is a "customize" button in us. Well maybe some will feel I have gone crazy.. since this button isn't ever seen. Well its present in our mind.

Welcome aboad, Light of Spirits. You are anew member here and you have already made a remarkable presence.

Example: A person is born with his destiny that he would have to live hungry ever. But this man never goes to a hotel and eat or cook. So someone gets food and puts in front of him. But till he opens his mouth and chews and swallows it will his hunger go ? Answer is NO.. So in simple, We can customize the destiny that's been decided for us. Maybe not the exact thing can be got if destiny doesn't permit, but free will permit to have something similar.
We blame destiny.. but its makes no sense because its us who are not letting it happen

This reminds me of the snaps that I have seen of hungry children or badly malnourished children dying of hunger in Africa. It really pains me to see that and I sometimes think that it is better to nuke this world at one go. But coming to the reality, they cannot do anything and even the efforts of so called UN nations have gone down the drain. They are still suffering. Where are the customized buttons. Why?

It will be useless to discuss their horoscopes. Anyway we will also won't get their details.

[LightOfSpirits]

Hi Deeps ji,
Thank you so much for the warm welcome aboard. Well indeed I am having a wonderful time here and I am really happy that each one of you have been so nice and kind to me so far Thanks to all.
Well first thing I would like to say here since you have brought this lovely example of the malnourished children dying in Africa. Very true and sad situation. But at the same time, I didn't say destiny is not there or is false. They too were born with the default destiny setting and a customize button in them. But as you have used the word children , that clearly indicates that they wouldn't be in a situation to control destiny or customize it. They are too young to understand life and its ways. A basic maturity level is indeed needed to customize destiny and I had not really thought about kids when i had written because a kid has to grow up to get certain level of maturity by following the road or destiny that he or she is born with and then customized by the parents and others.
if you remember we all have studied in schools which our parents have selected for us, eaten food or worn clothes that our parents made us to wear, or thought was best for us. But now.. now we are matured to understand and build our own road to walk on. That's where we are using the customize button.

[basab14]

Example: A person is born with his destiny that he would have to live hungry ever. But this man never goes to a hotel and eat or cook. So someone gets food and puts in front of him. But till he opens his mouth and chews and swallows it will his hunger go ? Answer is NO.. So in simple, We can customize the destiny that's been decided for us. Maybe not the exact thing can be got if destiny doesn't permit, but free will permit to have something similar.
We blame destiny.. but its makes no sense because its us who are not letting it happen

Light,

At night a person normally feels sleepy, so it's not that he has to try to fall asleep, it comes to him naturally. The human body is made that way. If a person slaps you, you will cry out in pain. It's not that you need free will to make that reaction happen. If someone hurts you, you will feel sad. Now, will you tell me that one has to put effort to bring that emotion of sadness, or else it will not come? That's the kind of logic you are giving when you are trying to defend free will.

[basab14]

They too were born with the default destiny setting and a customize button in them. But as you have used the word children , that clearly indicates that they wouldn't be in a situation to control destiny or customize it. They are too young to understand life and its ways. A basic maturity level is indeed needed to customize destiny and I had not really thought about kids when i had written because a kid has to grow up to get certain level of maturity by following the road or destiny that he or she is born with and then customized by the parents and others.

So Light you mean that one needs to grow into an adult to learn how to use his hand to put food inside his mouth and chew it and swallow it when food is placed in front of him?! I wrote this because of the following example you have given about free will in one of your earlier posts here:

Example: A person is born with his destiny that he would have to live hungry ever. But this man never goes to a hotel and eat or cook. So someone gets food and puts in front of him. But till he opens his mouth and chews and swallows it will his hunger go ? Answer is NO.. So in simple, We can customize the destiny that's been decided for us.

[LightOfSpirits]

Dear Yellow ji,
First of all I would say there has been a bit of misunderstanding or maybe I haven't been able to express my point properly.
Let me give another try to see if I could make it a bit more clearer. Thanks for that opportunity of course.

Regarding the first section where we have discussed about the children of Africa dying out of malnutrition, you have rightly mentioned that to eat with his hands its not necessary to be an adult or have attained a level of maturity. I agree to it, but at the same time, without being matured how would it be possible for the child to think about alternatives as how could he arrange food since he is hungry. Only if someone gets him food maybe he can have it.

Now about the second segment where we spoke of free will. Well all i meant is destiny is true. It will happen as is destined to us, but at the same time our free will can change things. See destiny might control the mans life by creating situations that wouldn't let him to eat. Maybe he wouldn't have much money or not a good job to support his family, so he has no options but to feed his family first even if has to keep himself hungry. But now in that same situation if he is served with food, to eat it or not is the destiny he creates. because if he eats it he is not hungry anymore, and if he doesn't eat, then nothing can stop him from staying hungry.

[Sudarshang]

Regarding the first section where we have discussed about the children of Africa dying out of malnutrition, you have rightly mentioned that to eat with his hands its not necessary to be an adult or have attained a level of maturity. I agree to it, but at the same time, without being matured how would it be possible for the child to think about alternatives as how could he arrange food since he is hungry. Only if someone gets him food maybe he can have it.

Now about the second segment where we spoke of free will. Well all i meant is destiny is true. It will happen as is destined to us, but at the same time our free will can change things. See destiny might control the mans life by creating situations that wouldn't let him to eat. Maybe he wouldn't have much money or not a good job to support his family, so he has no options but to feed his family first even if has to keep himself hungry. But now in that same situation if he is served with food, to eat it or not is the destiny he creates. because if he eats it he is not hungry anymore, and if he doesn't eat, then nothing can stop him from staying hungry.

Sir, destiny ends with taking birth as whatever or whoever one is born as. time is leaving is determined by that as well. that's it, and not anything that happens in between. individual is on his own/her own. please do not make it more complicated than what it really is or give it more importance than what is commands.

[LightOfSpirits]

Sudarshang, sorry for having complicated it, but yes all I meant is free will can help change destiny and its not right to completely rely on destiny or stop trying and say that is our destiny.

[basab14]

Light,

Regarding the first section where we have discussed about the children of Africa dying out of malnutrition, you have rightly mentioned that to eat with his hands its not necessary to be an adult or have attained a level of maturity. I agree to it, but at the same time, without being matured how would it be possible for the child to think about alternatives as how could he arrange food since he is hungry. Only if someone gets him food maybe he can have it.

I agree that the child is not mature to find a way to find food for himself, but what about the parents of the child--do you think that they are sitting back doing nothing, expecting Destiny to arrange food for them? Do you think anyone will sit back and do nothing, even if they see their children are dying of starvation? The point is they can't do anything, and that is why they have to see their child die of malnourishment. If there was a way, no one would sit back and do nothing and suffer. It's only when a person doesn't see any way out, he surrenders to destiny. I don't think there is anyone in this world who will prefer to wait for Destiny to come and feed him with his own hand, even if he is dying of starvation. He will definitely try to find food for himself and surrender to destiny, only when all his trying has been in vain.

Now about the second segment where we spoke of free will. Well all i meant is destiny is true. It will happen as is destined to us, but at the same time our free will can change things. See destiny might control the mans life by creating situations that wouldn't let him to eat. Maybe he wouldn't have much money or not a good job to support his family, so he has no options but to feed his family first even if has to keep himself hungry. But now in that same situation if he is served with food, to eat it or not is the destiny he creates. because if he eats it he is not hungry anymore, and if he doesn't eat, then nothing can stop him from staying hungry.

Why are you not understanding this simple thing--if food is placed in front of someone, it is his instinct, which will make his hands raise the food from the plate and put it in his mouth. For that he doesn't need to bother about free will. The point is destiny will not bring the food in front of him in the first place, so the choice of having or not having it will not come.

Do you think anyone in this forum is a fool that they come here and cry about their problems if they could solve it with their effort? It is when they have tried all their best and nothing has happened that they have come to this place to seek help. It is their helplessness that has brought them here. It's not that they have an option, and they are not trying it our of laziness or lack of courage.

A person surrenders to destiny after trying his best, not in the very beginning, without taking any effort. No one wants to struggle in life and blame destiny. Everyone tries their level best, and when nothing works out leaves it to destiny. No one is a kid here that they need to be taught what putting efforts mean.

Anyway, let's leave it here. There is always a word for a word, so it's pointless getting into arguments. If you believe free will can change destiny, stay with it. I am not here to change anyone's belief.

[LightOfSpirits]

Dear Yellow ji,
Ok. I wouldn't pull on to this any longer, but my question now is doesn't free will exist too ? Doesn't free will also have some power to change destiny ?

[deeps]

Thanks for revert. I have one male child. Born 23 Feb 2004. He is now 8+

I got married when i was 28, in 2003. I am not sure if its late or early or on time. Frankly.

2008 was best time in terms of materialistic gains and career. After early 2009 things started going downhill till they reached nadir on dec 2011. No job andn not earned a singal rupee since then

Jolli, you will have to wait for Rahu dasha to end. It is the tendency of Rahu to snatch away in the end. Your Guru dasha will be good. But it will take a while for Guru's energy to pick up.

Can you provide the dates of joining of job of the last 2 to 3 jobs?

[basab14]

Aimless,

I will ask you not to lead your life based on what the astrologers are saying. Just go with the flow, and when the right time comes, you will get married.

Jupiter-Jupiter period indicates marriage as Jupiter is being aspected by 7th lord Mars, but then, it's not a strong connection, I feel. Saturn in the 7th house with 7th lord Mars, I feel, is a stronger connection, and then, one has to keep this in mind that Saturn being in your 7th house with 7th lord, Mars, there will be delay in marriage as Saturn is the significator of delay in astrology.

Jupiter is aspecting your 7th house and 7th lord in transit now, so there will be talks of marriage or maybe you will get into a relationship once more during this transit.

yes , thank s yellow ji, i am replying on that.

ok as of now i have so many possible timings for my marriage that i dnt knw which one to keep in mind now...

so far i am told that....
i have a good chance before oct 2012 ends
or dec 2012 or definately before my birthday in feb 2013
or nov 2013

now you are suggesting sat sub period so it means post 2014 untill 2017 ! (i will be 30 by then ! )

now this is such a wide range !

what should i go with

[basab14]

Light,

I don't think we have the power to change our destiny, but then, you may think otherwise, and that's fine with me. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion about things.

Dear Yellow ji,
Ok. I wouldn't pull on to this any longer, but my question now is doesn't free will exist too ? Doesn't free will also have some power to change destiny ?

[jolli]

Thanks for revert. I have one male child. Born 23 Feb 2004. He is now 8+

I got married when i was 28, in 2003. I am not sure if its late or early or on time. Frankly.

2008 was best time in terms of materialistic gains and career. After early 2009 things started going downhill till they reached nadir on dec 2011. No job andn not earned a singal rupee since then

Jolli, you will have to wait for Rahu dasha to end. It is the tendency of Rahu to snatch away in the end. Your Guru dasha will be good. But it will take a while for Guru's energy to pick up.

Can you provide the dates of joining of job of the last 2 to 3 jobs?

Hi Deeps
Thanks For Revert.

Left job after four years in july 2004.
then Immediatly joined another jib
Left again 24 dec 2004
Joined 3 jan 2005
Workedt for 6 years, 2 or 3 IJPs
Left Dec 2010
Joined 10 jan 2011
Left 8 dec 2011
Since than no Job

[basab14]

i have a family friend whose marriage getting delayed...

14/3/1981
17:40
mumbai

plz suggest when can marriage happen ? why is it getting sooo delayed...they have tried every possible remedy but nothing is working.

Aimless,

Her chart shows love marriage, and she may have been in a relationship in this Saturn period. What happened in the Saturn-Venus and Saturn-Mercury period--was she close to getting married and it didn't happen, or did she fall in love in either of those periods?

[deeps]

Jolli, what are 2 or 3 Ijps ?

[basab14]

Deeps,

I may be am wrong, but I think by Ijp Jolly means, in junior position.