Dear All,
In my readings about astrology from multiple sources, I have come across statements such as debilitation of either the lords of 6,8, and 12 or debilitation of planets in these houses is desired. My question is that why would any debilitation be desired? Isn't that an inherent negative in the horoscope?
As far as my rasi chart goes, for my taurus lagna, I have my lagna lord (also 6th lord) debilitated and my fourth lord (sun) debilitated in the 6th. And believe me, I would rather have them placed elsewhere than being debilitated.
Regards,
Ravi
Debilitation of Planets 6/8/12 lords and planets
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Hi Ravi:
Could you answer these questions if you would not mind?
How is your relationship with your mother?
Do you win over others in arguments or lose most times?
Have you got the courage to fight in situations when warranted?
Do you have health issues?
Were you good at studies?
Do you have any bad habits and weaknesses?
Are you stuck to one job or have you changed jobs often?
Do you have problems at work place?
Dev
Could you answer these questions if you would not mind?
How is your relationship with your mother?
Do you win over others in arguments or lose most times?
Have you got the courage to fight in situations when warranted?
Do you have health issues?
Were you good at studies?
Do you have any bad habits and weaknesses?
Are you stuck to one job or have you changed jobs often?
Do you have problems at work place?
Dev
They might be referring to Vipareeta Raja Yoga, that is if 8th lord is in 12th or vice versa. For example- if ascendant is saggitarius, 8th lord becomes moon which is not a good sign- so in this case the native would do well if Moon is in 12th, which is the sign of dibilitation as it diminishes the strength of the 8th house forming a raja yoga. But if Ascendant lord itself is dibilitated then God help us.
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Dev,
To answer your questions.
1) Excellent relationship with my mother.
2) I win some, I lose some.
3) Yes.
4) Nothing major related to health; just common colds and flu very frequently.
5) Excessive masturbation and laziness.
6) Stuck to one job; looking for a change.
7) No problems as such, decent career so far.
To answer your questions.
1) Excellent relationship with my mother.
2) I win some, I lose some.
3) Yes.
4) Nothing major related to health; just common colds and flu very frequently.
5) Excessive masturbation and laziness.
6) Stuck to one job; looking for a change.
7) No problems as such, decent career so far.
Dev wrote:Hi Ravi:
Could you answer these questions if you would not mind?
How is your relationship with your mother?
Do you win over others in arguments or lose most times?
Have you got the courage to fight in situations when warranted?
Do you have health issues?
Were you good at studies?
Do you have any bad habits and weaknesses?
Are you stuck to one job or have you changed jobs often?
Do you have problems at work place?
Dev
Thats debilitated LL...no hinge in accepting it on public forumravi_iyer wrote:Dev,
To answer your questions.
1) Excellent relationship with my mother.
2) I win some, I lose some.
3) Yes.
4) Nothing major related to health; just common colds and flu very frequently.
5) Excessive masturbation and laziness.
6) Stuck to one job; looking for a change.
7) No problems as such, decent career so far.
Frankly if other planets well placed, LL debilitated is far better than LL exalted in kaliyuga. I have LL exalted so i know...sometime i wish it was debilitated...
Debilitated SU will further lower down your ethics....and unless you have SU well placed in D9...you normally have no boundaries.
I havnt seen your chart Mr Iyer but you do sound upfront and bold. Well...within serenity of the forum....
1) how do you feel 'bout your father ? You rather take your own decisions than him interfering ?
2) Would you cheat on your partner...not to hurt her...but may be take few trips to bangkok or have a quick fling with new neighbor...how would she ever find out anyways...right ?
3) Would you hesitate to crush your colleague if you get an excellent opportunity, which tho requires you to stab his back....he anyways deserves it...doesnt he ?
4) I dont want to delve into your secret admiration, while you get busy in frequent therapeutic sessions ... nor I can dare you to share it on public forum....who knows you might and we both get banned...
Debilitated planet needs to be studied from lot of different angles...but normally there dasha sequence are not that good...unless offcourse you some excellent NBRY.
Hope that helps !
'वक्त से पहले और मुक़द्दर् से ज्यादा किसी को कुछ नहीं मिलता' - Neither before time nor beyond destiny, would you attain anything !
Hello SineCurve and Dev,
I guess that my details on my post resulted in the responses digressing from the original questions. I am not looking for a reading here. I am looking for a discussion on:
In my readings about astrology from multiple sources, I have come across statements such as debilitation of either the lords of 6,8, and 12 or debilitation of planets in these houses is desired. My question is that why would any debilitation be desired? Isn't that an inherent negative in the horoscope?
Also, to answer SineCurve's questions:
1) I look up to my mom for everything. Dad is great, but my mom is the decision maker.
2) Yes. However, it would be similar to what you mentioned. A quick trip to Bangkok.
3) Nope, I will never back stab anyone. Not in my nature. Probably due to the presence of Ketu in 9th.
Take care,
Ravi
I guess that my details on my post resulted in the responses digressing from the original questions. I am not looking for a reading here. I am looking for a discussion on:
In my readings about astrology from multiple sources, I have come across statements such as debilitation of either the lords of 6,8, and 12 or debilitation of planets in these houses is desired. My question is that why would any debilitation be desired? Isn't that an inherent negative in the horoscope?
Also, to answer SineCurve's questions:
1) I look up to my mom for everything. Dad is great, but my mom is the decision maker.
2) Yes. However, it would be similar to what you mentioned. A quick trip to Bangkok.
3) Nope, I will never back stab anyone. Not in my nature. Probably due to the presence of Ketu in 9th.
Take care,
Ravi
To answer your query Ravi....NO.. debilitated planets are generally not desired...even as 6L/8L/12L...mostly because of dual lordship of all non-luminaries. But if I must have debilitated planets in my chart, it better be dusthana lord ... atleast not 9/10/11 house lord for sure.
Almost never in astrology is 2 + 2 = 4...it could even be -1.5 or 7.3...but hardly 4. Understand the natural significance of the house and then figure if you wish it strong on weak. Exalted planets normally are happy planets, well equipped to bestow a lot in relation to the houses they lord, whereas debilitated planets are weak or the ravaged ones ...so relate it to the power/traits of the houses they lord.
I have seen excellent love/family life for natives with VE in 12 for Libra Lagna. But VE periods are not good ...similar to the example from Elipsis. MO debilitated for Sagi lagna...8L better be debilitated and that to in 12 H...excellent VRY...but dont discount the traits of a debilitated MO.
So its a catch 22 most of the places. As mentioned, I am okay with my LL debilitated but not my 9L or 11L unless they are exalted in D9, in which case I get best of both world. Traits of debilitated planets but fruits of exalted ones.
Astroboy has written some enlightening posts on debilitated planets... they should help you understand both faces of the coin.
Hope that helps !
Almost never in astrology is 2 + 2 = 4...it could even be -1.5 or 7.3...but hardly 4. Understand the natural significance of the house and then figure if you wish it strong on weak. Exalted planets normally are happy planets, well equipped to bestow a lot in relation to the houses they lord, whereas debilitated planets are weak or the ravaged ones ...so relate it to the power/traits of the houses they lord.
I have seen excellent love/family life for natives with VE in 12 for Libra Lagna. But VE periods are not good ...similar to the example from Elipsis. MO debilitated for Sagi lagna...8L better be debilitated and that to in 12 H...excellent VRY...but dont discount the traits of a debilitated MO.
So its a catch 22 most of the places. As mentioned, I am okay with my LL debilitated but not my 9L or 11L unless they are exalted in D9, in which case I get best of both world. Traits of debilitated planets but fruits of exalted ones.
Astroboy has written some enlightening posts on debilitated planets... they should help you understand both faces of the coin.
Hope that helps !
'वक्त से पहले और मुक़द्दर् से ज्यादा किसी को कुछ नहीं मिलता' - Neither before time nor beyond destiny, would you attain anything !
Sinecurve and Ravi:
Ultimately my view of debilitated planets is either learn to live with it thinking it is your karma so that you will burn off your karmas then or then if you feel stressed, do strong pariharas for the planets and general strong pariharas for all doshas as making donations to orphanage, old age home, poor widows, donating cows to temples or donation to gaushala and so on. This will quickly burn off the prarabhda is my opinion and is views by several experts too.
Dev
Ultimately my view of debilitated planets is either learn to live with it thinking it is your karma so that you will burn off your karmas then or then if you feel stressed, do strong pariharas for the planets and general strong pariharas for all doshas as making donations to orphanage, old age home, poor widows, donating cows to temples or donation to gaushala and so on. This will quickly burn off the prarabhda is my opinion and is views by several experts too.
Dev
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The only thing I have read is that a debilitated planet in the 6th house creates a Raja Yoga. I have never read anything about the 8th or 12th house.
Check out AB's post:
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 42&t=16255
Check out AB's post:
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 42&t=16255
AB does good research in astrology and so have to agree but SK is also right since there are both good and bad in the 6th 8th and 12th lord being debilitated.
May be for eg debilitated 6th means lesser fighting ability but then that could be good in cases where 9th is weak ie luck is not in their favor, so it is better if they dont fight than to fight and feel bad.
Dev
May be for eg debilitated 6th means lesser fighting ability but then that could be good in cases where 9th is weak ie luck is not in their favor, so it is better if they dont fight than to fight and feel bad.
Dev
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I don't know about the debilitation of L6, L8 and L12, but what I have read is that a debilitated planet in the 6th house gives a Raja Yoga. Which AB explained as having weak enemies...
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Elipsis,
Much later I found this statement in BPHS:
I'm a saggitarius ascendant. However I'm not sure if having moon as 8th lord is a bad thing at all. Based on events in my life, it seems as if moon's AD always causes me good/gets me out of trouble. (I infact raised the very same question here: http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... =1&t=13638 I've a triple debilitation in Navamsa & Venus debilitated in both D1 & D9)elipsis wrote: For example- if ascendant is saggitarius, 8th lord becomes moon which is not a good signus.
Much later I found this statement in BPHS:
The 8th lordship of the Sun and the Moon is not evil.
@felix, If your ascendant is saggitarius, where would you want your 8th lord to be? I'm talking about the best possible position for a planet.
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Elipses:
Just to clarify, Im not contesting your opinion in terms of where one would want their trik lords placed, but rather upon the specific point of moon as 8th lord. I realize what you picked was just an example to get your point across, on which I do concur. But that apart it seemed to indicate that you didnt think moon as 8th lord was a good thing, having read that, My comment was more in the vein of a feedback. ( Its entirely possible that the specifics of my chart probably cause this rather than a general trend.)
Now having said that let me answer your question:
8th ofcourse. Own house. Since Ive so far no reason to believe he is malefic for my chart Id not normally want him in the other trik houses but again since it is the moon the 6th is fine too.
But the purpose of my comment was quite the otherway round:
Who would you want as your 8th lord? Food for thought.
Ravi: sorry for the digression.
Just to clarify, Im not contesting your opinion in terms of where one would want their trik lords placed, but rather upon the specific point of moon as 8th lord. I realize what you picked was just an example to get your point across, on which I do concur. But that apart it seemed to indicate that you didnt think moon as 8th lord was a good thing, having read that, My comment was more in the vein of a feedback. ( Its entirely possible that the specifics of my chart probably cause this rather than a general trend.)
Now having said that let me answer your question:
8th ofcourse. Own house. Since Ive so far no reason to believe he is malefic for my chart Id not normally want him in the other trik houses but again since it is the moon the 6th is fine too.
But the purpose of my comment was quite the otherway round:
Who would you want as your 8th lord? Food for thought.
Ravi: sorry for the digression.
Felix, 8th lord does work as 8th lord in any house it resides, now the planet may not be afflicted as Parashara says for the saggitarius ascendant but in other houses- the placement of moon bears the qualities of the 8th house. When this is the case, we don't want the 8th lord to be exalted in the 6th eventhough it forms a VRY, we don't want to strengthen the 8th lord, we want to balance it's power, this can happen if moon conjuncts a powerful planet (say moon in 10th with exalted mercury) or if it's dibilitated and so on. All this is just my view points that's all- not saying your moon is evil or anything, just discussing the best possible positions.
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