Is destiny really predestined?...Fate Vs Freewill

[deeps]

I finally managed to remember a birth details of an aged lady, who consulted me sometime in the middle of 2010. Her details-

5-jul-1950
Time between 4 to 6am (i don't remember exactly)

Gemini Lagna and Kumbh Rashi.

This lady had been sufferings at the hands of her hostile daughter at law, even facing some minor violence like burning on hands. She consulted through someone close to me. I casted the horocope and seeing the malefics afflicting 4th house of domestic happiness, I realized that it was hopeless for her and she would have to suffer more at home.

I did not tell this but told her I would tell her tomorrow. I kept looking at the chart all the time and looked for yogas that could have save her from unnecessary troubles.

I noticed a strong Gajkesari Yoga and the Venus mahadasha in 12th house of ashram,about to start. I thought her time had come to join ashram.

The next day I told her that domestic unhappiness was there till her lifetime. But I told her that time had come for her to give up the household life and join some ashram. I also told others about it.

The next 2 years were very bad for her, her health was deteriorating day by day and people were asking me what happened would happen to her. However, I did not reply anything.

This year in May'12, things became very terrible with her daughter in law threatning her to throw her out of the house. Her relatives even tried everything to mend the relations but failed. Finally, the person remembered my prediction and the search started for ashram who would accept her. They found Gayatri Pariwar and within few days, every formality was completed and she was shifted there. After almost 2 months, she looks much happier and brighter, though she knows she does not have much time left.

Thanks.

Continuing from the above-

What the prediction was given 2 years back, materialized this year. what does it mean? It is again the clear case of destiny that the native brought when she was born.

Here is another details-

Kumbh Lagna

Saturn and Mercury in 8th house

Venus in 6th house

rahu in 5th house and ketu in 11th house

Mars and Jupiter in 9th house

Moon in 10th house.

I am going to share my success and failures with this chart in the next post.

[basab14]

Thanks, Deeps. God definitely is everything. Not a leaf can move if He doesn't will it.

Well, you put it very well again . God is everything. Planets are His medium to control us and the entire earth.

[basab14]

Very well said and again brilliantly written by you!! Hats off to you!!!

I also wrote something on Katie Holme's thread which I am pasting here again-

Yes, the person was right that the amount of freewill a person has is determined by the placements of planets. A strong 3rd house of self efforts or Mars will always make a native believe in much freewill than a native with a weak 3rd house or Mars. If everyone has equal amount of freewill, then everyone will become Tom crusie or Katie Holmes. But in practicality, it will never happen, never happen. A person with a strong 3rd house but with very weak dhan yogas, will always struggle to make wealth of long lasting, even using 100% freewill.


Set aside astrology, and see for yourself that it is rich people that always have more choices.

Thank you, Deeps. Yes, I have read this post of yours, and it's very wonderfully written by you. I was thinking of asking you to post it here as it is relevant to the topic of discussion.

[deeps]

I finally managed to remember a birth details of an aged lady, who consulted me sometime in the middle of 2010. Her details-

5-jul-1950
Time between 4 to 6am (i don't remember exactly)

Gemini Lagna and Kumbh Rashi.

This lady had been sufferings at the hands of her hostile daughter at law, even facing some minor violence like burning on hands. She consulted through someone close to me. I casted the horocope and seeing the malefics afflicting 4th house of domestic happiness, I realized that it was hopeless for her and she would have to suffer more at home.

I did not tell this but told her I would tell her tomorrow. I kept looking at the chart all the time and looked for yogas that could have save her from unnecessary troubles.

I noticed a strong Gajkesari Yoga and the Venus mahadasha in 12th house of ashram,about to start. I thought her time had come to join ashram.

The next day I told her that domestic unhappiness was there till her lifetime. But I told her that time had come for her to give up the household life and join some ashram. I also told others about it.

The next 2 years were very bad for her, her health was deteriorating day by day and people were asking me what happened would happen to her. However, I did not reply anything.

This year in May'12, things became very terrible with her daughter in law threatning her to throw her out of the house. Her relatives even tried everything to mend the relations but failed. Finally, the person remembered my prediction and the search started for ashram who would accept her. They found Gayatri Pariwar and within few days, every formality was completed and she was shifted there. After almost 2 months, she looks much happier and brighter, though she knows she does not have much time left.

Thanks.


Continuing from the above-

What the prediction was given 2 years back, materialized this year. what does it mean? It is again the clear case of destiny that the native brought when she was born.

Here I would also like to put emphasis on double transit too. From Moon, double transit was on 9th house and from Lagna double transit was on 5th house of mantras. This lady has to get up early in the morning to participate in gayatri Havan and other mantra chanting.

[basab14]

Deeps,

I read your post predicting correctly for the the old lady. It was a brilliant prediction! Keep it up!

[deeps]

Here is another details-

Kumbh Lagna

Saturn and Mercury in 8th house

Venus in 6th house

rahu in 5th house and ketu in 11th house

Mars and Jupiter in 9th house

Moon in 10th house.

I am going to share my success and failures with this chart in the next post.

Continuing from the above

This chart is of my friend whom we met and became close in 2007. At that time, I was not much into astrology and so the predictions of his job went wrong.

This person was having struggles in finding job after completing some degree course in computer. I asked him if he could share birth details with me, which he did. I noticed afflicted lagna in 8th house with Mars which is a bad combination.

What puzzled me at that time was he was keen on finding a job when his father was running a properous business and he was the potential successor. I asked him the reason and he said that he was not interested in the business as he wanted to live life away from his parents and keen desire to settle down abroad.

I predicted that he was running a favourable time of Ketu mahadasha and this period would give him all he wants and also a very good job soon. I read on net that Ketu in 11th house and exalted blesses the native all kinds of prosperity.

More to follow.

[basab14]

Notice some turning point ages in life. For example, I have seen students who fare well in life end up in average jobs (partly due to wrong/misguided decisions or illusionary mind) whereas last rank people gets best opportunities. this all happens immediately after completion of graduation.. and after few years.. you find that average students becoming a CEO or reaches great careers. Meritorious students struggling in medium jobs.. this is all destiny.

Mahesh,

The above quoted lines of yours made me remember something I had read in one of the books by K.N. Rao. Let me quote from there for you (the following line was said by Narahari Baba when asked what God does): "Jo upar hai usko niche baitha ta hai aur jo niche hai usko upar. Aur kooch nahi karta." It explains why those who have had success in their early life, struggled in later life; and those who have had failures in early life, found success in later life. I have seen this come true in many instances and so can say that there is a lot of truth in the line said by him.

[deeps]

Continuing from the above-

He was with me for the entire 2008. I gave predictions many times on when he would get a job. One prediction in oct'08 did come true but the job did not last more than a month, so I won't call that prediction a success.

I could not understand why Key mahadasha was giving him sleepless nights. He would go out in the morning to search for job and return only in the night empty handed. He was dejected and frustrated and even outings did not give him much happiness.

Later on I read about Ketu planet on this website itself in 2009. -

"In Vedic astrology Ketu is called the moksha karaka or significator of liberation. Being the polar opposite of it's worldy ambitious counter part, Rahu, Ketu's nature is that of a detached, simple renunciate. Ketu is motivated toward quiet and solitude, not materialistic gains. Ketu dashas, therefore, often result in breaks in employment, which may simply manifest as a time for an extended vacation, or a sabbatical. However, Ketu dashas can also be a time of unexpected material losses, where circumstances force us to take time for reflection and introspection.

The lesson that Ketu teaches is to return to what is most important - our internal peace of mind. The breaks in our life that Ketu dashas bring, often result in the integration of a more balanced lifestyle, where unnecessary complications and attachments fall away. However, it can also be a confusing process to get there. Ketu dashas can bring disillusionment with the material world and a lack of motivation. At the same time, Ketu can increase our spiritual longing, which can lead to addictions for someone without a spiritual discipline. So, while Ketu is the moksha karaka and Ketu dashas can represent a big step toward spiritual liberation, it can also be a confusing time that requires introspection to sort it all out."

Read the underlined part that Ketu dashas can result in disillusionment with the material world and a lack of motivation. Here it is exactly what happened with him.

Here in this chart, I am saying nothing about spirituality as that person never felt natural longing for spirituality in ketu dasha.

After continuous efforts for more than a year, he returned to his hometown to join father's business. However, i was still looking to find the reasons why no materialistic success. I called up him sometime in 2009 and told him to try for job between Jul'09 to aug'09. He did try and finally landed a job as a lecturer in an University in jul'09. However, the job lasted only for few months as he again became disillusioned.

[rehr]

Deeps, if you provide the full birth details too or atleast the pic of chart if you don't want to provide the birth details , it will help in understanding the chart and analysis more better.

[deeps]

Sometime in later 2010, he called me up and asked whether the placement of Sun in own sign in 7th house can mean markesh for spouse. I confirmed that it was true and he needed to be careful when selecting his soul partner, whether in love marriage or arrange marriage.

He asked me when he would be getting married. Seeing his ketu dasha still running, I noticed one thing that he was near to the full completion of Saturn cycle. I did not give any prediction to him this time but told him frankly that after august'11, there would be a big change in him and he would feel motivated and his life would turn for better.

He found his soul mate in late september'11 and got married to her in oct'11. He thanked me but now I am still waiting for his call. Looks like he has forgotten me.

[basab14]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here, Mahesh. Nice posts.

[basab14]

I agree with Rehr here. I was thinking of saying the same thing to you, Deeps.

Deeps, if you provide the full birth details too or atleast the pic of chart if you don't want to provide the birth details , it will help in understanding the chart and analysis more better.

[deeps]

Sometime in later 2010, he called me up and asked whether the placement of Sun in own sign in 7th house can mean markesh for spouse. I confirmed that it was true and he needed to be careful when selecting his soul partner, whether in love marriage or arrange marriage.

He asked me when he would be getting married. Seeing his ketu dasha still running, I noticed one thing that he was near to the full completion of Saturn cycle. I did not give any prediction to him this time but told him frankly that after august'11, there would be a big change in him and he would feel motivated and his life would turn for better.

He found his soul mate in late september'11 and got married to her in oct'11. He thanked me but now I am still waiting for his call. Looks like he has forgotten me

Continuing from the above, we now take a look at transits.

Jupiter was retrograde in oct'11 and hence was aspecting, from meen sign, 8th house of Mercury, which also lords 5th house of romance and on the planet Moon sign.

The running dasha was Ketu and rahu till dec'11. Rahu is in 5th house in gemini sign, whose lord is in 8th house, which was influenced by transiting Venus, Sun, and the double transit that triggered marriage.

It is clear how transit and dasha clearly supported the marriage.

[deeps]

I agree with Rehr here. I was thinking of saying the same thing to you, Deeps.

I only see Lagna chart and Moon chart. So I think, the details that I give here is sufficient to cast a lagna horoscope. However, birth details are available on request through only PMs.

[basab14]

Okay, no problem, Deeps.

[deeps]

Now in this post I am presenting a chart of a successful and famous guy in media industry in USA.

His birth details-

8 MARCH 1977
time around 6pm ( don't remember exact time)
New Delhi.

Leo Lagna

Tula Rashi

[basab14]

Deeps,

Do throw some light on the Rahu-Moon combination in the chart as it's supposed to do damage always if present in a chart, I have heard. I would like to know what damage, if any, it did for the person.

[deeps]

Now in this post I am presenting a chart of a successful and famous guy in media industry in USA.

His birth details-

8 MARCH 1977
time around 6pm ( don't remember exact time)
New Delhi.

Leo Lagna

Tula Rashi

Not a single damage!!!. He has always been a topper and later took to English as it was the only subject he loved the most. He used to be the topper in his studies in English in Delhi University. I remember how his father used to send letters to us informing us of his brilliant marks in the University.

His articles were often published in Times of India in editorial section before he left for USA.

I will analyse further tomorrow for you.

[Humannature]

It’s our desires that make us take birth again, and again, to get them fulfilled. If I want to be a film star, but I can’t be that in this life, I will definitely be born with a destiny to be a film star in some future life of mine. Same goes with all other desires of ours. Same way, what we are today is the result of what we had wished to be sometime in our previous life. That’s how it goes.

A wife who gets beat up by her drunk husband everyday, did she long to be born like that?
Or a person who has no success in personal life or professional life and no happiness either. No spiritual inclination or motivation to do anything either. Did he long to be born like that?

In such cases we say, it's his past life karma that gave him/her such bad circumstances. Don't we?

Why is it that if u r soemthing good in your life then it was waht you long for in previous many lives but if ur life is a living hell, it's because of your bad karmas??

Telepathy is an example of this theory of the power of desire working in our lives: we think deeply about someone, and that person contacts us that very moment or sometime soon—it’s said that our desire to contact the person makes the person contact us

Big time Wishful thinking.
I am pretty sure Tom Cruise wants his answers and wants to talk to to Katie and find out why she blindsided him and back stabbed him within a week's time while it was just one week back she was all lovey-dovey with him!! Infact she cut him off totally intentionally by changing her phone number, address everything..
Forget ego. If we are talking about destiny, let's jsut stick to that.
Why can't we say 'I was destined to think of someone at this very minute and he/she was destined to call me at that very minuet. Why talk about telepathy??

Truth is we think and we all (including myself) talk volumes as if we know and understand how Universe and God works. But the truth is, WE DON'T. We don't know why somethings happen and some don't. We can't always have all the answers we are looking for. Period.

[deeps]

The above chart belongs to a famous and professionally successful guy in USA. We see he has leo lagna whose Lord is in 7th house along with Mercury of 2nd and 11th Lord of gains. We know any conjunction with Lagnesh and 2nd house gives 4 kinds of wealth. Here is true in his case. However this position considerably delays the marriage (sun-mercury in 7th house delays the marriage).

He got married around March or april'10 to a Russian girl, who is a nurse in a reputed hospital. They used to live next to each other in the same apartment. (7th lord in 12th house can mean marriage to a foreign).

His mother had contacted me sometime in Jan'10 and asked about whether he would get a promotion in the same company. I made the chart, looked at it for a while and noticed Mars antardasha coming up in few months.

Mars is exalted in 6th house and aspecting His own sign in 9th house, thereby strengthening that house significations. I predicted in the affirmative that he would be definitely promoted to a management level and gave even the time frame. The prediction did came true but after the time frame that I had given to her.

This man, sometime in early jan'11, contacted me and asked if I was into astrology. We chatted everyday. He asked about what his coming period says? I replied that the coming time could be difficult for him at his workplace. This was due to rahu antardasha starting and the period of 6/8th axis.

After few months, he contacted me on his own and told me that my prediction was right. He was having problems with his immediate boss.

Since the other transits of Guru was good and it was the period of 5th lord, I told him it would be over soon but did not say when. After that we lost contact with each other as I got busy with my work. Sometime later, I came to know that his immediate boss, who was giving hell to him, resigned from the company. That's all and I am quite unsure what happened next i.e. did he have a cocktail party that night? or new boss had come now to give him horrible times again. We have not chatted for a long time.

More to follow.

[basab14]

A wife who gets beat up by her drunk husband everyday, did she long to be born like that?
Or a person who has no success in personal life or professional life and no happiness either. No spiritual inclination or motivation to do anything either. Did he long to be born like that?

In such cases we say, it's his past life karma that gave him/her such bad circumstances. Don't we?

Why is it that if u r soemthing good in your life then it was waht you long for in previous many lives but if ur life is a living hell, it's because of your bad karmas??

Humannature,

We always associate karma with work, but even thinking is karma. When you desire something, that’s a karma you have done, and the fruits of that karma you will get, definitely, which is why I said, the desires of a person gets fulfilled—it’s the law of karma at work, like always.

Now, coming to why when we suffer in life, we call it the result of our bad karmas, and when we find success, we say it’s the result of our desire, let me clear this for you that the suffering we get in life is the result of our karmas definitely, but we ourselves decide to have that suffering when we are in the soul stage. Now, while living here in this world, we are not conscious about our progress as souls in the path of salvation, but when we are in the soul state, without a body, that is after death and before rebirth, we are aware of the progress our souls have made, and where they stand in their journey, so the souls decides how much they would like to wipe off the bad karmas, and how much they would like to enjoy the good karmas, and also the desires that they wish to get fulfilled, and so they chooses the bodies they will take birth in, the family environment they will take birth in, and the suffering they would have, so that they can progress in their journey, in the path of salvation. Now, along with that, they also tries to make sure that they progress to some extent in fulfilling their deep desires and makes sure that they takes births with those talents, which will help them progress in that regard. If they see that the karmic burden is more, they focus on wiping them off, by taking more suffering and postponing the fulfilment of desire to some future life, and if the burden of negative karmas is less, they gives more attention to the fulfilment of their desires in the immediate future lives. This is how it works.

Now, you may tell me how I know all this? No, these are not my theories: I am sharing with you what I have read in spiritual books. It maybe is true, it maybe is false, I don't know about that.

Forget ego. If we are talking about destiny, let's jsut stick to that.
Why can't we say 'I was destined to think of someone at this very minute and he/she was destined to call me at that very minuet. Why talk about telepathy??

Yes, maybe telepathy is also destiny, as you have rightly said.

Truth is we think and we all (including myself) talk volumes as if we know and understand how Universe and God works. But the truth is, WE DON'T. We don't know why somethings happen and some don't. We can't always have all the answers we are looking for. Period.

Yes, you are right again: we can only guess, no one knows for sure how this universe works. And you are right again when you say that we don't have answers to a lot of things in life. Personally, I believe in one thing: destiny is predestined. I don't know if my belief is right or wrong, but it helps me a lot in dealing with the difficulties I face in life.

[deeps]

The above chart belongs to a famous and professionally successful guy in USA. We see he has leo lagna whose Lord is in 7th house along with Mercury of 2nd and 11th Lord of gains. We know any conjunction with Lagnesh and 2nd house gives 4 kinds of wealth. Here is true in his case. However this position considerably delays the marriage (sun-mercury in 7th house delays the marriage).

He got married around March or april'10 to a Russian girl, who is a nurse in a reputed hospital. They used to live next to each other in the same apartment. (7th lord in 12th house can mean marriage to a foreign).

His mother had contacted me sometime in Jan'10 and asked about whether he would get a promotion in the same company. I made the chart, looked at it for a while and noticed Mars antardasha coming up in few months.

Mars is exalted in 6th house and aspecting His own sign in 9th house, thereby strengthening that house significations. I predicted in the affirmative that he would be definitely promoted to a management level and gave even the time frame. The prediction did came true but after the time frame that I had given to her.

This man, sometime in early jan'11, contacted me and asked if I was into astrology. We chatted everyday. He asked about what his coming period says? I replied that the coming time could be difficult for him at his workplace. This was due to rahu antardasha starting and the period of 6/8th axis.

After few months, he contacted me on his own and told me that my prediction was right. He was having problems with his immediate boss.

Since the other transits of Guru was good and it was the period of 5th lord, I told him it would be over soon but did not say when. After that we lost contact with each other as I got busy with my work. Sometime later, I came to know that his immediate boss, who was giving hell to him, resigned from the company. That's all and I am quite unsure what happened next i.e. did he have a cocktail party that night? or new boss had come now to give him horrible times again. We have not chatted for a long time.

More to follow.

This is the chart that will surprise many as to how Guru gave him everything with all ease, even though he is also the lord of 8th house and also debilitated in Navamsa.

As a rule, a planet owning both a dusthana and an auspicious house, will give more effects from its mooltrikon sign. In this example, we see that Guru's mooltrikon sign is 5th house and the dasha of trine's lords are always auspicious.

8th Lord period and debilitation in Navamsa could not do any kind of harm, as far as my knowledge is concerned.

[deeps]

As far as his marriage is concerned, 7th Lord in 12th house gave him foreign partner but a bit 2 to 3 years older than him. Saturn rules old.

[deeps]

Now, what the future destiny holds for him? That's the big question. I asked this question because soon Guru's period as 5th Lord will come to an end. Is his golden time going to be over now?

As I said earlier, trine's periods are always auspicious and Saturn rules 7th and 6th house for Leo Lagna.
Saturn is a natural malefic planet for leo lagna and considering its mooltrikon sign, which is Kumbh, lords 7th house.

7th house rules business, politics, masses. It is also markesh and also lords 6th house and hospitalization, expenses.

"The mahadasha of Saturn is generally the best for politicians in a democracy if it owns the lagna, seventh or the tenth house and is involved in conjunction with the lagna, fourth, tenth , eleventh house and/or also aspects the tenth house or the tenth lord or the fourth house and the fourth lord or is exalted"

Since mooltrikon sign is 7th house, will he venture into politics? Will he do business in a foreign country(12th house)? Saturn is connected to Mars which is 4th lord and also exalted in 6th house of competition.

I am right now ruling out health problems as he is totally a fitness freak and has a warrior spirit. So it very likely that he will join some political party in US or maybe decides to open his business. I will be keenly watching his coming time.

[basab14]

While reading the letters of Swami Vivekananda today, I came across the following line in one of the letters written by him to sister Nivedita: "We play our parts here—good or bad. When the dream is finished and we have left the stage, we will have a hearty laugh at all this—of this only I am sure."