sir,
astrology is the study of planets and their effects. genes too shape our personality and many traits are heredity. but which has a more potent role to play gene or planets and to what extent each goes in determining our personality.
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what shapes our peronality
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First of all, thank you for creating this topic- I too have these questions in my mind and I am going to explain what I know on this subject-I'm of the same view as Vivekananda who is probably the most expert.
You have to distinguish between personality and behavior. They are not the same, some part of our behavior is hereditary, and these are called instincts. Let me give you an example, if you are learning to ride a bicycle you will have to fall down a couple of times, is it not? Now after a while cycling comes instinctively, you cannot tell how you learnt it- you just know it. Same with typing, first you learn to type and then typing comes instinctively - you don't even have to look at the keyboard. So, behaviors that are instinctive are constantly refined over generations and such refined genes are passed on from generation to generation producing off springs that are naturally cleverer than the parents. So human beings display tendencies that are instinctive- and they can never find out how they know it. You see this with birds all the time, nobody taught them how to build a nest - they just know it, because instinctive knowledge has been passed in the bird gene pool for generations. In the same way, genes influence our behavior and it shows behavior similar to the gene pool we are connected to, hereditary diseases influence our behavior or some habit that has a distinct family line. But genes do not influence personalities- but they may limit personalities or our way of expressing ideas but they can never influence personalities like you say. So what influences our personality? - Well, I cannot give you scientific answer for that. But this is where the mystery book opens- as we are allowed to let our ideas run wild.
You have to distinguish between personality and behavior. They are not the same, some part of our behavior is hereditary, and these are called instincts. Let me give you an example, if you are learning to ride a bicycle you will have to fall down a couple of times, is it not? Now after a while cycling comes instinctively, you cannot tell how you learnt it- you just know it. Same with typing, first you learn to type and then typing comes instinctively - you don't even have to look at the keyboard. So, behaviors that are instinctive are constantly refined over generations and such refined genes are passed on from generation to generation producing off springs that are naturally cleverer than the parents. So human beings display tendencies that are instinctive- and they can never find out how they know it. You see this with birds all the time, nobody taught them how to build a nest - they just know it, because instinctive knowledge has been passed in the bird gene pool for generations. In the same way, genes influence our behavior and it shows behavior similar to the gene pool we are connected to, hereditary diseases influence our behavior or some habit that has a distinct family line. But genes do not influence personalities- but they may limit personalities or our way of expressing ideas but they can never influence personalities like you say. So what influences our personality? - Well, I cannot give you scientific answer for that. But this is where the mystery book opens- as we are allowed to let our ideas run wild.
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well said elipsis ji.
But what i heard from mystics is little different..
"Personality" comes from Latin word "persona" means a mask and this mask influences our behaviours, for ex. If we see our boss one type of personality comes in, we become humble! and if we see our servant another face comes! when angry one and in love one.....
but 'Individuality" is different, that means one who has become an individual, that is one who is "indivisible" not divided in mind and only when we reach that stage the planets lose the power over oneself.
And genes history goes far deep. If we believe in evolution theory, then it goes to animals,plants..... our mind contains the total evolution history.
And in astrology, the sign symbolism of animals/things has a great secret, A leo person,a scorpio person all must have certain genes corresponding to that animal characters, even though their parents/culture are different , but here collective mind culture like indian type, american one comes and it differs a little.
I think the personality is shaped, according to genes first, where all our past lives are all included, but we are all one when we realise our individuality.
But what i heard from mystics is little different..
"Personality" comes from Latin word "persona" means a mask and this mask influences our behaviours, for ex. If we see our boss one type of personality comes in, we become humble! and if we see our servant another face comes! when angry one and in love one.....
but 'Individuality" is different, that means one who has become an individual, that is one who is "indivisible" not divided in mind and only when we reach that stage the planets lose the power over oneself.
And genes history goes far deep. If we believe in evolution theory, then it goes to animals,plants..... our mind contains the total evolution history.
And in astrology, the sign symbolism of animals/things has a great secret, A leo person,a scorpio person all must have certain genes corresponding to that animal characters, even though their parents/culture are different , but here collective mind culture like indian type, american one comes and it differs a little.
I think the personality is shaped, according to genes first, where all our past lives are all included, but we are all one when we realise our individuality.
I do believe in evolution, but who would have thought a single cell would one day evolve into a human being capable of landing on the moon? If we accept human soul as an individual that means it has no personality. But in the body it acquires identity as well as the expression of personality though the perception of the senses. Suppose if we had more senses we would have more variety. The ultimate purpose of this evolution is nothing but conquest of nature.
I also think you are right about astrological symbols, it's a sort of hint about where we come from.
I also think you are right about astrological symbols, it's a sort of hint about where we come from.
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As i understand, human soul has no personality, soul is neither male or female. you are right, in body it acquires a identity,name and form,like a passport. It is like this, our bodies are different, Minds overlap,soul is one.
True, if we have more senses,more variety. The sages say,our mind has ,some billion cells but not used. It is also said that ,even a scientist like einstein, could use only 1% of the Mind. More the mind opens, more sense perceptions.
The ultimate purpose of evolution is the same. let us call it, conquest of nature or realise one's self or merge with existence or return to our original source or freedom from the mind/ego , all point to same.
thanks for your reply elipsis ji.
True, if we have more senses,more variety. The sages say,our mind has ,some billion cells but not used. It is also said that ,even a scientist like einstein, could use only 1% of the Mind. More the mind opens, more sense perceptions.
The ultimate purpose of evolution is the same. let us call it, conquest of nature or realise one's self or merge with existence or return to our original source or freedom from the mind/ego , all point to same.
thanks for your reply elipsis ji.
Krishnagopalji, thank you for your detailed explanation. I really think we ought to discuss these topics more often.
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Very nice discussion going on here. More such discussions like this are welcome. Thanks to both Krishnagopal ji and Elipsis for sharing your thoughts here.
Krishnagopal ji, what you have written about individuality and personality, I have read the exact thing in the book "Life Beyond Death" by Swami Abhedananda.
Krishnagopal ji, what you have written about individuality and personality, I have read the exact thing in the book "Life Beyond Death" by Swami Abhedananda.
"Go thou and follow Him, who was born and gave His life for others five hundred times before He attained the vision of the Buddha!" -- Swami Vivekananda
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sir,
what is being is discussed is about spirituality. astrology has spiritual belongings or it belongs to the Hindu religion. biology defines gene . gene is the interplay of chemical that can be explained only by biology. whether science influences spirituality or spirituality influences science is matter of very deep discussion. this debate in going on both in west and east. but at point all sciences and religion should converge and there should be some common summary to describe these esoteric and complex phenomenons. can astrology which is still a very debatable topic help in this regard. people don't take astrology seriously simply because very little research has been done to establish its truth . so more efforts are need to make astrology a serious science.
regards
what is being is discussed is about spirituality. astrology has spiritual belongings or it belongs to the Hindu religion. biology defines gene . gene is the interplay of chemical that can be explained only by biology. whether science influences spirituality or spirituality influences science is matter of very deep discussion. this debate in going on both in west and east. but at point all sciences and religion should converge and there should be some common summary to describe these esoteric and complex phenomenons. can astrology which is still a very debatable topic help in this regard. people don't take astrology seriously simply because very little research has been done to establish its truth . so more efforts are need to make astrology a serious science.
regards
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Diksha ji,
I think it is difficult task, Natal Astrology is the effect of planets and stars according to past lives/karma which to prove via science is not possible though many tried it.
Mundane astrology if researched more, and shown to science, then it may accept.
But as per our past human history, many of the old scriptures are lost or destroyed by people who don't believe in it. Scanty sources are only available but they too in time may be intercepted.
I think it is difficult task, Natal Astrology is the effect of planets and stars according to past lives/karma which to prove via science is not possible though many tried it.
Mundane astrology if researched more, and shown to science, then it may accept.
But as per our past human history, many of the old scriptures are lost or destroyed by people who don't believe in it. Scanty sources are only available but they too in time may be intercepted.
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sir,
even i think that astrology is more a matter of faith and belief than of any scientific interest. like any other hindu thought system astrology explains the result of past life karma. the irony is that many misunderstand this belief and try to unnecessarily question it. nevertheless there are a still many followers of astrology. there are lot of phenomenon that may not be defined by science but still function well in today's world. so its all your belief and faith .we live in complex world where everything may not be explainable. astrology i think is too simple to explain all that happens to us and that happens around us. we need to think of more interdisciplinary ways to get a hold of all that we experience in life.
regards
even i think that astrology is more a matter of faith and belief than of any scientific interest. like any other hindu thought system astrology explains the result of past life karma. the irony is that many misunderstand this belief and try to unnecessarily question it. nevertheless there are a still many followers of astrology. there are lot of phenomenon that may not be defined by science but still function well in today's world. so its all your belief and faith .we live in complex world where everything may not be explainable. astrology i think is too simple to explain all that happens to us and that happens around us. we need to think of more interdisciplinary ways to get a hold of all that we experience in life.
regards
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Krishna,krishnagopal1968 wrote:As i understand, human soul has no personality, soul is neither male or female. you are right, in body it acquires a identity,name and form,like a passport. It is like this, our bodies are different, Minds overlap,soul is one.
Hi from Chota bheem. The above quoted reminds me of a coversation between papa ji and a devotee.
The video is available on you tube. Title is "papaji-wake up".
CB
