Hi friends,
While studying astrology, I have come across birth charts of important personalities and honestly speaking they have not made much sense to me as to why they achieved so much success. Barack Obama's chart made me feel the same way I had felt when analyzing the birth charts of other famous personalities: does it promise such success as becoming the president? (I am sure it does as I strongly believe in destiny.) Is the 10th lord of career in the 6th house such a "strong" combination to make a person the president of a country? And what about the other planets: 3 of them-Mars, Rahu and Venus--in dusthanas, Jupiter in debiliation and just one kendra-trikona raja yoga formed by Jupiter-Mercury, which again gets afflicted by the association of the 3rd and 12th lord and 8th lord Jupiter and Sun respectively.
I am sure there are many wonderful and powerful combinations in the birth chart to make him what he is--the president of the USA, and I am sure it shows how little I know in astrology, but that's the very reason I am making this request here: asking you guys to check the birth chart and tell me what positive points you see in it which shows his extraordinary success.
The "extraordinariness" of Barack Obama's chart
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Its possible we simply dont have a very good grip on why his chart is good for politics. Ive noticed that analysis of celebrity charts MOSTLY focusses on entertainers, who in the grand scheme of things are not important. Their job is to amuse us and other than that they are irrelevant. But at least we "understand" important factors in their charts. Analysis is VERY bad on, say, scientists, and also other areas. Has anyone ever analyzed Charles Darwin's chart? Yet he is FAR FAR more important to today's world than flash in the pans such as Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, and Aishwariya Rai. But thats a large % of what we see as examples of practice. I know that people do look at political charts but I dont think they do a good job. And the classic texts provide little detail-when 70% of so called good yogas are supposed to indicate that "one will be a king or equivalent to one", how is one to proceed? What EXACTLY do they mean?
And another thing, ambitious people just go out and do what they do-they don't wait to get their charts analyzed. Here is one example, I have nearly all my planets in the 6th and 12th houses and have been successful all my life and accomplished whatever I set out to do-so I think all that weeping and wailing about dusthanas is complete rubbish-I dont think they are so bad and they do not necessarily doom one to a life of misery, whatever the shastras may say. A lot of the time, vedic astrology seems to wax poetic about stuff that is either completely mundane (marriage for example-this is not my idea of an achievement) or not important today. What has it got to say about what is important TODAY? Not much, really. Indian astrology glorifies the conformist, particularly in women's charts, and most highly successful people are NOT conformists! It does not deal with anything else-nonconformity is ruled by Rahu, which has a very bad rep. Ive enjoyed commenting on this forum and still do, but at the end of the day my conclusion is that I will move forward as I always do. I feel perfectly competent to manage my life successfully and not at all worried that nearly all my planets are badly placed, WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
This is a long digression, but I needed to say what I have observed in the field. Basic conclusion-I am not convinced astrology "works" and if it does, whether it has yet defined the factors governing success in the modern world. Here is another example-the 2004 election. Astrologers all over=both vedic and trpoical- predicted a Kerry win-they were all wrong. It was pure wishful thinking. Tossing a coin would have given them a better of being right than astrology did. They had no clue. Just watching politics would have worked better. Of course, right after the election, they could all explain why Bush won and Kerry lost, but it was a bit late by then, wasnt it?
Finally-another complication-most astrologers are far better at postdiction than prediction. Which explains why we can all see why Brad Pitt is famous but failed at anticipating that Obama would win the election. I really dont think astrology is reliable: my own experience is that it is not. It may indeed "work", but good practitioners are very very rare.
And another thing, ambitious people just go out and do what they do-they don't wait to get their charts analyzed. Here is one example, I have nearly all my planets in the 6th and 12th houses and have been successful all my life and accomplished whatever I set out to do-so I think all that weeping and wailing about dusthanas is complete rubbish-I dont think they are so bad and they do not necessarily doom one to a life of misery, whatever the shastras may say. A lot of the time, vedic astrology seems to wax poetic about stuff that is either completely mundane (marriage for example-this is not my idea of an achievement) or not important today. What has it got to say about what is important TODAY? Not much, really. Indian astrology glorifies the conformist, particularly in women's charts, and most highly successful people are NOT conformists! It does not deal with anything else-nonconformity is ruled by Rahu, which has a very bad rep. Ive enjoyed commenting on this forum and still do, but at the end of the day my conclusion is that I will move forward as I always do. I feel perfectly competent to manage my life successfully and not at all worried that nearly all my planets are badly placed, WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
This is a long digression, but I needed to say what I have observed in the field. Basic conclusion-I am not convinced astrology "works" and if it does, whether it has yet defined the factors governing success in the modern world. Here is another example-the 2004 election. Astrologers all over=both vedic and trpoical- predicted a Kerry win-they were all wrong. It was pure wishful thinking. Tossing a coin would have given them a better of being right than astrology did. They had no clue. Just watching politics would have worked better. Of course, right after the election, they could all explain why Bush won and Kerry lost, but it was a bit late by then, wasnt it?
Finally-another complication-most astrologers are far better at postdiction than prediction. Which explains why we can all see why Brad Pitt is famous but failed at anticipating that Obama would win the election. I really dont think astrology is reliable: my own experience is that it is not. It may indeed "work", but good practitioners are very very rare.
Hi Basab, I just wanted to share some things that I've thought fit well with Obama's chart. To me the qualities that stand out most about him are his integrity, honesty, calmness and steadiness. I think these qualities are seen in the 1st ruler Saturn in Capricorn in the 1st house (integrity, patience, realism, etc.) and exalted Taurus Moon in the 5th house of the mind. Saturn in its own sign in the 1st house also gives leadership abilities and is very positive as the 1st house ruler in its own sign.
Moon exalted in the 5th house gives a very steady and peaceful emotional mind and is good for the 5th house of discernment and judgment as well.
Jupiter debilitated in the chart is not such a bad thing because Jupiter rules the 3rd and 12th houses and is a temporary malefic. In fact, I think his attitudes about government waste and spending and accountability could all be related to this debilitated 12th ruler since it gives a vimala yoga which can show someone who is not wasteful and who controls their expenses.
Jupiter's debilitation is also cancelled by Saturn angular to the chart and conjunct Jupiter. From experience, I think the way a neecha bhanga yoga works is that the person literally uses the cancelling planet to compensate for the debilitated one. So this yoga would place all the more emphasis on developing and using the traits of the strong Capricorn Saturn.
Rahu has transitted his 1st house over the past year. It was on the rising degree around Sept 2008 and will continue on to conjoin powerful 1st house ruler Saturn in around Oct 2009. Rahu's transits give worldly benefits so this seems to be activating the strength of his natal 1st house and giving him recognition for the Capricorn type qualities that he has.
I do agree, that his Sun-Mercury, Mars and Venus to some extent, all look pretty troubled. Sun-Mercury give arishtha yoga of 6/8 rulers. There are 2 somewhat good things about this, however. Mercury is a weak 6th house ruler, which again isn't such a bad thing, since it diminishes the bad effects of the 6th house. Mercury is also the 9th house ruler in a close aspect with the 1st house ruler which can bring some positive qualities with it, like a philosophical, or spiritual type of disposition.
Sun as 8th ruler in 7th house is bad, though, I think. And 4/11th ruler Mars is another troubled looking planet affecting home and social life. Mars is also weak by degree. This is especially interesting in that leaders are generally supposed to have Mars powerful but I don't think this qualifies as a strong Mars. It is, however, the atmakaraka planet.
His navamsa and dasamsa charts are also very interesting in that they look strong and show political potential.
Navamsa has Leo rising with 1st and 10th rulers conjunct in the 5th house of politics. Natal Jupiter gains some strength by being in its own sign here and in a good yoga of 8th house ruler in the 8th house (sarla yoga).
Saturn is again very powerful in Capricorn and in the upachaya 6th, showing more of the integrity, honesty and hard-working ethic that the natal Saturn has. I've heard that vargottama is not really effective, but I do wonder if this is maybe an exception since it is the 1st house ruler vargottama in the 1st house of the natal chart.
The conjunction of 1st and 10th house rulers is made even stronger by raja yoga karaka Mars conjoining them in the 5th house. This gives multiple raja yogas involving the 1st, 4th, 9th and 10th house rulers. Mercury exalts in the 2nd house and Rahu exalts in the 10th house.
In dasamsa, the Sun is again in the 5th house of politics involved in some strong raja yogas. Saturn by itself is a raja yoga in the 5th, Saturn conjunct Sun is another, and Rahu in its other exaltation sign of Virgo conjunct 2 kendra rulers in a kona is another raja yoga. Saturn is also especially important here being both the natal 1st house ruler and the D10 10th house ruler. Here, like in the navamsa, Mercury is in its own sign in the 2nd house.
Overall, I think these two divisional charts are really impressive and when put together with the innate leadership and integrity of the natal chart, I think it comes together reasonably well.
Moon exalted in the 5th house gives a very steady and peaceful emotional mind and is good for the 5th house of discernment and judgment as well.
Jupiter debilitated in the chart is not such a bad thing because Jupiter rules the 3rd and 12th houses and is a temporary malefic. In fact, I think his attitudes about government waste and spending and accountability could all be related to this debilitated 12th ruler since it gives a vimala yoga which can show someone who is not wasteful and who controls their expenses.
Jupiter's debilitation is also cancelled by Saturn angular to the chart and conjunct Jupiter. From experience, I think the way a neecha bhanga yoga works is that the person literally uses the cancelling planet to compensate for the debilitated one. So this yoga would place all the more emphasis on developing and using the traits of the strong Capricorn Saturn.
Rahu has transitted his 1st house over the past year. It was on the rising degree around Sept 2008 and will continue on to conjoin powerful 1st house ruler Saturn in around Oct 2009. Rahu's transits give worldly benefits so this seems to be activating the strength of his natal 1st house and giving him recognition for the Capricorn type qualities that he has.
I do agree, that his Sun-Mercury, Mars and Venus to some extent, all look pretty troubled. Sun-Mercury give arishtha yoga of 6/8 rulers. There are 2 somewhat good things about this, however. Mercury is a weak 6th house ruler, which again isn't such a bad thing, since it diminishes the bad effects of the 6th house. Mercury is also the 9th house ruler in a close aspect with the 1st house ruler which can bring some positive qualities with it, like a philosophical, or spiritual type of disposition.
Sun as 8th ruler in 7th house is bad, though, I think. And 4/11th ruler Mars is another troubled looking planet affecting home and social life. Mars is also weak by degree. This is especially interesting in that leaders are generally supposed to have Mars powerful but I don't think this qualifies as a strong Mars. It is, however, the atmakaraka planet.
His navamsa and dasamsa charts are also very interesting in that they look strong and show political potential.
Navamsa has Leo rising with 1st and 10th rulers conjunct in the 5th house of politics. Natal Jupiter gains some strength by being in its own sign here and in a good yoga of 8th house ruler in the 8th house (sarla yoga).
Saturn is again very powerful in Capricorn and in the upachaya 6th, showing more of the integrity, honesty and hard-working ethic that the natal Saturn has. I've heard that vargottama is not really effective, but I do wonder if this is maybe an exception since it is the 1st house ruler vargottama in the 1st house of the natal chart.
The conjunction of 1st and 10th house rulers is made even stronger by raja yoga karaka Mars conjoining them in the 5th house. This gives multiple raja yogas involving the 1st, 4th, 9th and 10th house rulers. Mercury exalts in the 2nd house and Rahu exalts in the 10th house.
In dasamsa, the Sun is again in the 5th house of politics involved in some strong raja yogas. Saturn by itself is a raja yoga in the 5th, Saturn conjunct Sun is another, and Rahu in its other exaltation sign of Virgo conjunct 2 kendra rulers in a kona is another raja yoga. Saturn is also especially important here being both the natal 1st house ruler and the D10 10th house ruler. Here, like in the navamsa, Mercury is in its own sign in the 2nd house.
Overall, I think these two divisional charts are really impressive and when put together with the innate leadership and integrity of the natal chart, I think it comes together reasonably well.
Hi Maharani, I like your honesty about these things and am inclined to agree with a lot of what you wrote. The one thing I don't understand though is that you don't seem to see success in your chart, although maybe I'm misunderstanding you there. You have that Aries Mars in the 10th house as the most important planet for a Cancer lagna. I think that would give you the strength, independence and determination that you seem to have and would work especially well for worldly success and achievement because of the house it is in. A 10th house Aries Mars wouldn't let anyone tell them that they can't do something, I don't think. That is what Aries and Mars are all about, standing up and fighting. Also, about trik placements, I think they can be altered significantly by the placement of their rulers. For example, your 6th house ruler is in a trik house, the 12th, which weakens the house's negative effects. Although, I agree with you to some extent, too, about them not being as bad as they are made out to be. But I think it's a balance of sorts. A powerful 8th house can bring many good things but will also bring a lot of suffering with it, while a powerful 9th house should bring mostly good without any down side to it. I hope I'm not out of line pointing these things out, btw, this is just what came to mind while I was reading what you wrote.
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Basab
Hi Nina,
I am reilieved to know that I am not alone in what I felt about Obama's chart.
About Gauri yoga not being there in Obama's chart exactly as has been
stated in the classics, well, K.N. Rao has always said that the yogas in the classics should be taken liberally and not literally, so that could be the reason Vaughnji said that the yoga is present in the chart even when it is not exactly as it has been mentioned in the classics.
[quote="nina"]Here I'm not sure what navamsa lord of 10L means...[/quote]
To find the navamsha lord of the 10th lord, you have to check in which sign in the navamsha the 10th lord of the D-1 chart is placed. The lord of that sign is the navamsha lord of the 10th lord.
I am reilieved to know that I am not alone in what I felt about Obama's chart.
About Gauri yoga not being there in Obama's chart exactly as has been
stated in the classics, well, K.N. Rao has always said that the yogas in the classics should be taken liberally and not literally, so that could be the reason Vaughnji said that the yoga is present in the chart even when it is not exactly as it has been mentioned in the classics.
[quote="nina"]Here I'm not sure what navamsa lord of 10L means...[/quote]
To find the navamsha lord of the 10th lord, you have to check in which sign in the navamsha the 10th lord of the D-1 chart is placed. The lord of that sign is the navamsha lord of the 10th lord.
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Basab
Dear Cjappu,
I completely agree with your thoughts. I have checked the charts of many celebrities and they don't make sense, to me, at all. I mean the same planetary combinations (negative ones) that have given them success when seen in ordinary charts are reasons for failures. By saying this I am not saying this that I don't believe in astrology, but just this that astrology is more complicated than it seems.
I completely agree with your thoughts. I have checked the charts of many celebrities and they don't make sense, to me, at all. I mean the same planetary combinations (negative ones) that have given them success when seen in ordinary charts are reasons for failures. By saying this I am not saying this that I don't believe in astrology, but just this that astrology is more complicated than it seems.
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Basab
Dear Soma,
Thank you for writing your analysis. But my question is: would you have been able to predict after looking at this chart, not knowing whose chart it is, that he would become the President of the USA?
I will just give you an example:
As per BHAVARTHA RATNAKAR translated by B.V. Raman: CHAPTER IX, Stanza 17: "The person enjoys much fame and power if the 9th lord is in the 9th and the 10th lord is in the 10th."
Now, in my birth chart that yoga is there, but I have not achieved anything that it promises, on the contrary life is very negative. Maybe that is because the 10th lord in the 10th house is afflicted and the 9th lord in the 9th house is afflicted, but I can guarantee this that if I was a big shot you would have given credit to this very yoga for my success in life and then you would have forgotten about the affliction to the 9th and 10th lords in my chart.
I believe strongly in destiny--actually so strongly that I can easily be called a fatalist--but I don't have any trust in astrologers. I think astrology is one of the most difficult subjects and very few people can master it.
Thank you for writing your analysis. But my question is: would you have been able to predict after looking at this chart, not knowing whose chart it is, that he would become the President of the USA?
I will just give you an example:
As per BHAVARTHA RATNAKAR translated by B.V. Raman: CHAPTER IX, Stanza 17: "The person enjoys much fame and power if the 9th lord is in the 9th and the 10th lord is in the 10th."
Now, in my birth chart that yoga is there, but I have not achieved anything that it promises, on the contrary life is very negative. Maybe that is because the 10th lord in the 10th house is afflicted and the 9th lord in the 9th house is afflicted, but I can guarantee this that if I was a big shot you would have given credit to this very yoga for my success in life and then you would have forgotten about the affliction to the 9th and 10th lords in my chart.
I believe strongly in destiny--actually so strongly that I can easily be called a fatalist--but I don't have any trust in astrologers. I think astrology is one of the most difficult subjects and very few people can master it.
Hi Basab, I see what you are saying. No, I don't think I could have predicted his presidency. I could have pointed out the things I mentioned for the most part. And I would expect a good amount of status and achievement based on the strength of the 1st house sasa yoga Capricorn Saturn. Although with that, the weakness of the 10th house ruler in the 6th house would make me wonder if there would be a lot of problems on the way. He is in a good dasa, though, with Jupiter who is both conjunct and ruled by the 1st house Saturn.
I saw your chart on another post and am wondering if you think it's possible that the reason the yogas aren't working right now is because of Venus' dasa? Venus has two constrictive, spiritual types of aspects from Saturn and Ketu and is also in the 8th house. The aspects are also close by degree so they have a strong effect. I'm wondering if maybe in Sun's dasa you might start noticing the effects of those planets in the 9th, 10th and 11th. Sun's dasa might show the effects of its conjunction with the 9th ruler in its own sign and through its involvement with the 9th/10th raja yoga may even give the effects of that. What do you think?
I saw your chart on another post and am wondering if you think it's possible that the reason the yogas aren't working right now is because of Venus' dasa? Venus has two constrictive, spiritual types of aspects from Saturn and Ketu and is also in the 8th house. The aspects are also close by degree so they have a strong effect. I'm wondering if maybe in Sun's dasa you might start noticing the effects of those planets in the 9th, 10th and 11th. Sun's dasa might show the effects of its conjunction with the 9th ruler in its own sign and through its involvement with the 9th/10th raja yoga may even give the effects of that. What do you think?
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Basab
Dear Soma,
Thank you for understanding my point. Yes, he is running the period of a planet that is forming raja yoga in his chart as debiliated 3rd lord gives raja yoga results when the ascendant lord is strong, but the point is there are charts which have more strength than this, and has not given any success so far.
Coming to my chart, I don't think there is much of a problem with the planetary period as there is in my birth chart--I mean that's what I feel when I think of my life irrespective of what my chart shows. (Guys, I am sorry, I am bringing in my own birth chart here, but when you read my whole post, you will realize that I am not seeking any prediction here, but just trying to prove a point that I have been trying to prove with the help of Obama's chart: that making a correct prediction in astrology is one of the most difficult things.)
You said: "I saw your chart on another post and am wondering if you think it's possible that the reason the yogas aren't working right now is because of Venus' dasa?"
Well, I don't think so because I faced absolutely similar struggle in the Ketu major period and the Mercury major period which I had got previous to this period of Venus that I am running now. How can I blame Venus when Ketu and Mercury didn't give me any good result either--giving similar struggle as Venus did. I can understand Ketu giving bad time, but why did Mercury give a difficult period as well?
See, if a planetary period is bad but the birth chart is good, you will not be getting the fruits of your efforts and would not get the recognition for your talent. But if your chart is bad, then you will not feel frustrated that you are ill fated but because you are not talented enough. I fall in the latter category: I am not in anyway talented or skilled in anything, and never ever felt that I would achieve something in life. So, I feel it is more of a bad birth chart than a bad planetary period. I don't think I am unlucky, I am just undeserving of anything--that again you can call my bad luck, but that's more of a bad birth chart than a bad planetary period.
Coming to the Sun period, what you are saying the 9th house connection is good, but if it goes bad then there are reasons to show why it was bad: it's being badhak for my chart and being in the nakshatra of Jupiter the 6th lord. Sun also gets terribly afflicted in my D-9 chart.
You tell me something, does the Rahu (in the 10th house) and Jupiter (in the 11th house) sub-periods show, my sitting at home without doing anything (I am not taking into consideration my studying astrology or writing stories)? And is it logically possible, all the planetary sub-periods and all the planetary periods I have run so far giving only bad results when in my birth chart the 9th lord is in the 9th house and the 10th lord is in the 10th house forming a strong raja yoga indicating fame and power? Can it be possible that a negative dasha will not give even 1% of the positives the birth chart promises? You mean to say that 3 planets in their own signs, 2 planets vargattoma, 9th lord in the 9th house, 10th lord in the 10th house should give only negative results--and that too sitting idle for 5.5 years and no career till now (in 4 months I will be 29)--just because the planetary period is not good? And do you believe that after making me sit idle till the age of 36, as the Venus period is there till then, the planets will start giving me success?
Don't misunderstand me--I am not cribbing here as I believe in destiny, and have accepted my difficult life--the point I am trying to make here is how far would we be successful if we make predictions or how much can we say from a chart without knowing anything about a person? I will say, I can't say a single thing correctly! Not sure about you guys. That's the main reason I wrote about my chart, and there are plenty of other charts which I have with me and which have not made any sense to me, not sure whether they will make sense to you all--maybe they will. Yes, if I was told what had happened in a particular period, I would be able to say why it had happened, but if I was asked what had happened in that same period without their telling it to me, I would not be able to say the correct thing. That's my experience with astrology so far, but I am trying my best to learn more so that I can understand a chart, before the person telling me anything about himself/herself.
Thank you for understanding my point. Yes, he is running the period of a planet that is forming raja yoga in his chart as debiliated 3rd lord gives raja yoga results when the ascendant lord is strong, but the point is there are charts which have more strength than this, and has not given any success so far.
Coming to my chart, I don't think there is much of a problem with the planetary period as there is in my birth chart--I mean that's what I feel when I think of my life irrespective of what my chart shows. (Guys, I am sorry, I am bringing in my own birth chart here, but when you read my whole post, you will realize that I am not seeking any prediction here, but just trying to prove a point that I have been trying to prove with the help of Obama's chart: that making a correct prediction in astrology is one of the most difficult things.)
You said: "I saw your chart on another post and am wondering if you think it's possible that the reason the yogas aren't working right now is because of Venus' dasa?"
Well, I don't think so because I faced absolutely similar struggle in the Ketu major period and the Mercury major period which I had got previous to this period of Venus that I am running now. How can I blame Venus when Ketu and Mercury didn't give me any good result either--giving similar struggle as Venus did. I can understand Ketu giving bad time, but why did Mercury give a difficult period as well?
See, if a planetary period is bad but the birth chart is good, you will not be getting the fruits of your efforts and would not get the recognition for your talent. But if your chart is bad, then you will not feel frustrated that you are ill fated but because you are not talented enough. I fall in the latter category: I am not in anyway talented or skilled in anything, and never ever felt that I would achieve something in life. So, I feel it is more of a bad birth chart than a bad planetary period. I don't think I am unlucky, I am just undeserving of anything--that again you can call my bad luck, but that's more of a bad birth chart than a bad planetary period.
Coming to the Sun period, what you are saying the 9th house connection is good, but if it goes bad then there are reasons to show why it was bad: it's being badhak for my chart and being in the nakshatra of Jupiter the 6th lord. Sun also gets terribly afflicted in my D-9 chart.
You tell me something, does the Rahu (in the 10th house) and Jupiter (in the 11th house) sub-periods show, my sitting at home without doing anything (I am not taking into consideration my studying astrology or writing stories)? And is it logically possible, all the planetary sub-periods and all the planetary periods I have run so far giving only bad results when in my birth chart the 9th lord is in the 9th house and the 10th lord is in the 10th house forming a strong raja yoga indicating fame and power? Can it be possible that a negative dasha will not give even 1% of the positives the birth chart promises? You mean to say that 3 planets in their own signs, 2 planets vargattoma, 9th lord in the 9th house, 10th lord in the 10th house should give only negative results--and that too sitting idle for 5.5 years and no career till now (in 4 months I will be 29)--just because the planetary period is not good? And do you believe that after making me sit idle till the age of 36, as the Venus period is there till then, the planets will start giving me success?
Don't misunderstand me--I am not cribbing here as I believe in destiny, and have accepted my difficult life--the point I am trying to make here is how far would we be successful if we make predictions or how much can we say from a chart without knowing anything about a person? I will say, I can't say a single thing correctly! Not sure about you guys. That's the main reason I wrote about my chart, and there are plenty of other charts which I have with me and which have not made any sense to me, not sure whether they will make sense to you all--maybe they will. Yes, if I was told what had happened in a particular period, I would be able to say why it had happened, but if I was asked what had happened in that same period without their telling it to me, I would not be able to say the correct thing. That's my experience with astrology so far, but I am trying my best to learn more so that I can understand a chart, before the person telling me anything about himself/herself.
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Yes, but I find it hard to believe the success Ive had is due to one good planet-my 10th house Mars-the reality is nearly everything else is badly placed. I have a lot of 6th house planets and iron health, but nobody ever points that out, only the disadvantages of having the lagna lord in the 6th. Maybe it is not so bad-as we get older, good health is a great blessing-and I look after mine very carefully, believe me. So-there is definitely an issue with portraying the trik houses as simply bad. It scares people in the way a lot of posters here are terrified that they are manglik, which is no big deal. As a lot of people use astrology in India, this has a bad effect.
I have heard that such placements as indicative of scientific/tech careers, which I had for 25 years. As I see it, the Indian viewpoint emphasizes spirituality, hence spiritual placements are seen as valuable. But we live in a highly tech focussed world, so we need to change the emphasis. Admittedly, with so many Indians going into IT that IS changing.
Also-in the "good" old days, ways to live your life-"career opportunities" if you like, were limited. Maybe only 5 in 100 horoscopes was really a "good" one for those times. Obama would have been a slave, not a president! Thus 95/100 horoscopes would have been defined as having bad placements. Today there are multitudes of opportunities and my guess is many more different types of chart are going to be "favourable" for success. But I dont think astrology has entirely kept pace-it still thinks in 13th century ways. It has changed a bit, but not enough.
So-do we really know at this point, from the chart, why he won? I see several posters have had a go, but do their explanations really bring out the exceptional and historic-unique-character of his election? In Indian terms he may be greater than the emperor Akbar, whose horoscope is on file. How might they compare?
A number of people have stated that astrology is very very complex and exceedingly difficult to do well. My question is, what is the use of a tool that is too difficult to use for anything?
I have heard that such placements as indicative of scientific/tech careers, which I had for 25 years. As I see it, the Indian viewpoint emphasizes spirituality, hence spiritual placements are seen as valuable. But we live in a highly tech focussed world, so we need to change the emphasis. Admittedly, with so many Indians going into IT that IS changing.
Also-in the "good" old days, ways to live your life-"career opportunities" if you like, were limited. Maybe only 5 in 100 horoscopes was really a "good" one for those times. Obama would have been a slave, not a president! Thus 95/100 horoscopes would have been defined as having bad placements. Today there are multitudes of opportunities and my guess is many more different types of chart are going to be "favourable" for success. But I dont think astrology has entirely kept pace-it still thinks in 13th century ways. It has changed a bit, but not enough.
So-do we really know at this point, from the chart, why he won? I see several posters have had a go, but do their explanations really bring out the exceptional and historic-unique-character of his election? In Indian terms he may be greater than the emperor Akbar, whose horoscope is on file. How might they compare?
A number of people have stated that astrology is very very complex and exceedingly difficult to do well. My question is, what is the use of a tool that is too difficult to use for anything?
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Basab
Ranjanda,
What you have said is perfectly true, so there is no question of rejecting your observation by any chance. I have applied this principle to quite a few charts and have found it to be correct to a large extent.
What you have said is perfectly true, so there is no question of rejecting your observation by any chance. I have applied this principle to quite a few charts and have found it to be correct to a large extent.
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Basab
Janakji,
Thanks for sharing a interesting point: about checking the first dasha.
It would be interesting to see how our friends here do when it comes to analyzing blind charts.
Thanks for sharing a interesting point: about checking the first dasha.
It would be interesting to see how our friends here do when it comes to analyzing blind charts.
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Basab
[quote="Maharani"]A number of people have stated that astrology is very very complex and exceedingly difficult to do well. My question is, what is the use of a tool that is too difficult to use for anything?[/quote]
Maharaniji,
Astrology is exceedingly difficult and complex and almost impossible to learn well when one not having the aptitude to learn it tries to learn it exactly as someone who is not artistically inclined tries to learn art or someone who is not gifted with a good voice tries singing. Astrology is not for everyone--at least as far as learning the art of prediction is concerned. But, otherwise astrology is something people gets drawn to when in misery, not to learn the predictive skills but to get the peace that it gives them. I know of many people who were drawn towards astrology just because of their difficult life, and I also fall in that group. I guess that's one of the reasons the 8th house the most difficult house, which brings in a lot of miseries in a person's life, is also the house of astrology. Astrology can also make you spiritual. It also makes you patient. I have never been jealous, but if somebody has that problem, learning astrology will help him/her get over it. Astrology also makes a person modest and down to earth. It makes a person strong and also helps him in accepting difficulties. So, I owe a lot to astrology even when I am unhappy that I have not been able to learn it that well.
Maharaniji,
Astrology is exceedingly difficult and complex and almost impossible to learn well when one not having the aptitude to learn it tries to learn it exactly as someone who is not artistically inclined tries to learn art or someone who is not gifted with a good voice tries singing. Astrology is not for everyone--at least as far as learning the art of prediction is concerned. But, otherwise astrology is something people gets drawn to when in misery, not to learn the predictive skills but to get the peace that it gives them. I know of many people who were drawn towards astrology just because of their difficult life, and I also fall in that group. I guess that's one of the reasons the 8th house the most difficult house, which brings in a lot of miseries in a person's life, is also the house of astrology. Astrology can also make you spiritual. It also makes you patient. I have never been jealous, but if somebody has that problem, learning astrology will help him/her get over it. Astrology also makes a person modest and down to earth. It makes a person strong and also helps him in accepting difficulties. So, I owe a lot to astrology even when I am unhappy that I have not been able to learn it that well.
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Basab
Maharaniji,
I agree with Soma here because your birth chart clearly indicates success in career. 10th lord in the 10th house indicates a good career. Even if you check your 10th lord of the birth chart in the D-9 chart, Mars is in it's own sign and in the same sign as in the birth chart making it vargattoma as well. Mars is the 10th lord of the D-9 chart as well, so that strengthens the 10th lord of the D-9 chart as well.
You have exalted Saturn in an angular house, which makes you disciplined and hard working with lots of tenacity.
Though I agree that the ascendant lord in the 6th house means health problems (there are other reasons for that as well) and struggles in life. Moon getting afflicted by Rahu and Saturn can also mean you are sensitive and anxiety prone.
4th lord in the 6th house and getting afflicted takes away happiness at home and can give health problems to mother. Saturn in the 4th house also is negative for the significations of the 4th house.
5th lord in the 10th house aspecting the 5th house indicates that you were good in studies and is also an aggressive person--very bold and confident.
Your birth chart indicates facing a lot of hardships in the Venus, Sun and Moon period and your achieving huge success in career in the Mars period.
I don't know why you think your birth chart is ordinary when it is not at all so. There are 2 mahapurush yogas in your chart, which shows your success though there should have been plenty of hardships as the planetary periods you had for the first 40 years of life was difficult.
If you have not struggled in life then I have to admit that I have failed again, and that too big time, in analyzing a birth chart correctly.
I agree with Soma here because your birth chart clearly indicates success in career. 10th lord in the 10th house indicates a good career. Even if you check your 10th lord of the birth chart in the D-9 chart, Mars is in it's own sign and in the same sign as in the birth chart making it vargattoma as well. Mars is the 10th lord of the D-9 chart as well, so that strengthens the 10th lord of the D-9 chart as well.
You have exalted Saturn in an angular house, which makes you disciplined and hard working with lots of tenacity.
Though I agree that the ascendant lord in the 6th house means health problems (there are other reasons for that as well) and struggles in life. Moon getting afflicted by Rahu and Saturn can also mean you are sensitive and anxiety prone.
4th lord in the 6th house and getting afflicted takes away happiness at home and can give health problems to mother. Saturn in the 4th house also is negative for the significations of the 4th house.
5th lord in the 10th house aspecting the 5th house indicates that you were good in studies and is also an aggressive person--very bold and confident.
Your birth chart indicates facing a lot of hardships in the Venus, Sun and Moon period and your achieving huge success in career in the Mars period.
I don't know why you think your birth chart is ordinary when it is not at all so. There are 2 mahapurush yogas in your chart, which shows your success though there should have been plenty of hardships as the planetary periods you had for the first 40 years of life was difficult.
If you have not struggled in life then I have to admit that I have failed again, and that too big time, in analyzing a birth chart correctly.
Hi Basab, I don't want to change your mind about your own chart but I just wanted to offer these ideas as some things you might not have considered.
Ever since 2002 Saturn has been transiting planet after planet in your chart, beginning with 1st ruler Venus, then a little later over Sun Mercury, etc. Once Saturn entered Gemini, sade sati also began. Saturn then transited both the 10th house and 10th house ruler. And is now in the 11th approaching Saturn return. In the cases of the 8th, 9th and 10th houses, the transits would be especially powerful, too, since Saturn transited both the house and the house ruler. These transits considered along with a difficult dasa period could result in a prolonged period of difficulties.
Mercury dasa could be a difficult one because Mercury is combusted. I'd think problems with your father may have been likely during that time because Sun in the 9th can show that and because Sun is combusting the dasa ruler. Incidentally, in the 9th house I think the Sun is benefited by being conjunct a benefic 9th ruler, but Mercury is actually harmed being combust. In other words, Sun periods should be beneficial but Mercury periods may be frustrating.
Ever since 2002 Saturn has been transiting planet after planet in your chart, beginning with 1st ruler Venus, then a little later over Sun Mercury, etc. Once Saturn entered Gemini, sade sati also began. Saturn then transited both the 10th house and 10th house ruler. And is now in the 11th approaching Saturn return. In the cases of the 8th, 9th and 10th houses, the transits would be especially powerful, too, since Saturn transited both the house and the house ruler. These transits considered along with a difficult dasa period could result in a prolonged period of difficulties.
Mercury dasa could be a difficult one because Mercury is combusted. I'd think problems with your father may have been likely during that time because Sun in the 9th can show that and because Sun is combusting the dasa ruler. Incidentally, in the 9th house I think the Sun is benefited by being conjunct a benefic 9th ruler, but Mercury is actually harmed being combust. In other words, Sun periods should be beneficial but Mercury periods may be frustrating.
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Basab
Dear Somaji,
Thank you for looking at my birth chart again and writing your analysis on why you thought the period was difficult.
Firstly, I have read a couple of your posts in this discussion board and felt, after reading them, that you have very good knowledge of the subject. I have not read much in astrology and the very fact that I couldn't understand the reason as to why I had difficulty in my life, in my birth chart, proves that I don't know much in the subject.
You have made a very interesting point about Saturn moving over all my planets one after the other as they are lined up in one side of the chart. I agree, I had not looked at it that way, but I saw it this way that I have been running a difficult transit of Saturn for the last 8-9 years because when Saturn moved into Taurus it was ashtam shani from the ascendant and immediately after that with its moving into Gemini it was the beginning of sade-sathi, which is there till Sep of this year. But again, life was not any better when Saturn was transiting the other side of my chart, and I don't think I found much difference in my sade-sathi period as when there was no sade-sathi. Life has always been the same--extremely difficult with failures all the way. My point is, how can a person run through equally bad time, the intensity of it remaining more or less the same, when the planetary periods are constantly changing and there are so many changes happening in planetary transits? It's possible only when the birth chart itself doesn't promise anything, which interestingly is not the case for my birth chart, as I see it.
You are absolutely correct about my Mercury period bringing tremendous difficulties for my father. But his difficulties continued even in my Ketu period (Ketu in the 8th house from the 9th house) and then immediately after the Venus period stared his problems became much much less (Venus is a functional benefic from Gemini, the 9th house, though in the 12th house and aspected by Saturn it should have been damaging).
About what happened in my Mercury period: I was born a sick child, was hospitalized when I was 3 years old (not sure about the exact year, have to ask my mother about it) and had to stay there for 7 days. Was a very quiet child (very shy), and not at all bright, though later on in the last 3-4 years of that period I did good in my studies. I don't remember much of my Mercury period except the last 3-4 years of it, when I was doing good in studies, but just the recollection of it makes me sad because it had been a very depressing period period. I don't know why I was sad in that period, very unusual for a small boy to be sad, but I was sad.
Thanks once again for looking at my chart and helping me in understanding it.
Have you checked Obama's chart with Libra ascendant? It looks more correct to me.
Thank you for looking at my birth chart again and writing your analysis on why you thought the period was difficult.
Firstly, I have read a couple of your posts in this discussion board and felt, after reading them, that you have very good knowledge of the subject. I have not read much in astrology and the very fact that I couldn't understand the reason as to why I had difficulty in my life, in my birth chart, proves that I don't know much in the subject.
You have made a very interesting point about Saturn moving over all my planets one after the other as they are lined up in one side of the chart. I agree, I had not looked at it that way, but I saw it this way that I have been running a difficult transit of Saturn for the last 8-9 years because when Saturn moved into Taurus it was ashtam shani from the ascendant and immediately after that with its moving into Gemini it was the beginning of sade-sathi, which is there till Sep of this year. But again, life was not any better when Saturn was transiting the other side of my chart, and I don't think I found much difference in my sade-sathi period as when there was no sade-sathi. Life has always been the same--extremely difficult with failures all the way. My point is, how can a person run through equally bad time, the intensity of it remaining more or less the same, when the planetary periods are constantly changing and there are so many changes happening in planetary transits? It's possible only when the birth chart itself doesn't promise anything, which interestingly is not the case for my birth chart, as I see it.
You are absolutely correct about my Mercury period bringing tremendous difficulties for my father. But his difficulties continued even in my Ketu period (Ketu in the 8th house from the 9th house) and then immediately after the Venus period stared his problems became much much less (Venus is a functional benefic from Gemini, the 9th house, though in the 12th house and aspected by Saturn it should have been damaging).
About what happened in my Mercury period: I was born a sick child, was hospitalized when I was 3 years old (not sure about the exact year, have to ask my mother about it) and had to stay there for 7 days. Was a very quiet child (very shy), and not at all bright, though later on in the last 3-4 years of that period I did good in my studies. I don't remember much of my Mercury period except the last 3-4 years of it, when I was doing good in studies, but just the recollection of it makes me sad because it had been a very depressing period period. I don't know why I was sad in that period, very unusual for a small boy to be sad, but I was sad.
Thanks once again for looking at my chart and helping me in understanding it.
Have you checked Obama's chart with Libra ascendant? It looks more correct to me.
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Basab
Dear Ranjanda,
I am not an authority in astrology, so I don't hold the license to give a certificate to someone learning the subject. The point you have made is very valid and you, no doubt, are going in the right direction.
I am not an authority in astrology, so I don't hold the license to give a certificate to someone learning the subject. The point you have made is very valid and you, no doubt, are going in the right direction.
As I see it, 10th represents rank on account of career while 5th represents royal rank like that of born royalty or elected modern day royalty like presidents & prime ministers. So, for the latter, what is to be seen is 5th rather than the 10th house.
Factors that have made Obama president are:
1) Natural significators of royalty are the sun & moon. If either or both are very strong especially in kendra or trikona, especially owning good houses, the person may hold royal positions either by birth or by
election/appointment/circumstances.
Now, since 5th house indicates royalty and luminaries also indicate royalty, a luminary, ie: either sun or moon in great strength in 5th
house will definitely raise the native to some kind of royal position.
An example par excellence is Barack Obama.
He has moon exalted in the 5th house. Moon owns an important kendra 7th ruling people. It is people's power (7th house) and his popularity among people (moon) that has raised him to the royal position of the US President. Moon exalted, in own star Rohini & receiving Jupiter's aspect forming Gauri Yoga seals the issue of raising Obama to a royal status by popular support. Obama became President in Jupiter dasa-Moon bhukti.
2) Another key point is strength of the lagna & lagna lord which is, in fact, the foundation of any horoscope. Obama has two enormous strengths here.
a) Saturn lord of lagna occupies lagna with vargottama navamsa giving sasa mahapurusha yoga and a powerful raja yoga because he is swakshetra and vargottama. This position of lagna lord being vargottama in lagna is an outstanding one enough to raise Obama head and shoulders above the average person.
b) As if (a) above were not enough, the 9th lord Mercury occupies the 7th and is in mutual aspect with lagna lord in lagna. As we know, the 9th lord represents blessings & merits earned on account of good deeds done in past lives; it thus represents the quantum and nature of inevitable good fortune or the lack of it that will follow one like one's own shadow; it is said to indicate fate as also divine will. It also represents God's grace and is called the house of spirituality & of leadership. All noble & higher things of life are associated with the 9th house which is often called the most important house in the horoscope. In the case of Obama, the 9th lord goes to the 7th house (his destiny & fortune are intimately people oriented & he finds his fortune & destiny in issues important to people
at large). The mutual aspect between 9th & 1st lords, centred on the 7th & 1st houses, gives him his popular appeal. Saturn rules masses. Mercury rules intelligentsia. Note that both have supported Obama. Moon represents women. This group has supported him too. Sun-Saturn mutual aspect could be a limitation but becomes harmless because Saturn is in own sign and Sun receives Jupiter's aspect. Thus Obama faced family problems on account of an absent father (Sun) but overcame the problem
in a very profound way, emerging stronger in the process. He was fortunate to have found support & strength to do so. The great benefic Jupiter gets neechabhanga raja yoga in lagna, aspects Sun and occupies own navamsa neutralising the evil/limitation of Sun-Saturn mutual aspect.
Wherever 9th lord associates with lagna, destiny seems to have something special in store for the native. It also forms a lakshmi yoga giving the native many virtues and making him/her highly fortunate.
Also note how easily money poured in for Obama's campaign.
In my view, these two factors have made Obama not just the US president but a hugely popular one.
The negative factors in his chart ie: 5th & 10th lord Venus in the 6th,
Mars lord of 4th & 11th in 8th with Rahu have contributed 2 things:
1) These have made him president of a country now in its darkest hour,
a time of economic collapse unheard of since the Great Depression and
2) The negative factors in his horoscope have made his own personal life a struggle in many ways.
Thus, both the positive & negative features are amply evident in Obama's chart and clearly & accurately borne out in his actual life events.
Ashok
Factors that have made Obama president are:
1) Natural significators of royalty are the sun & moon. If either or both are very strong especially in kendra or trikona, especially owning good houses, the person may hold royal positions either by birth or by
election/appointment/circumstances.
Now, since 5th house indicates royalty and luminaries also indicate royalty, a luminary, ie: either sun or moon in great strength in 5th
house will definitely raise the native to some kind of royal position.
An example par excellence is Barack Obama.
He has moon exalted in the 5th house. Moon owns an important kendra 7th ruling people. It is people's power (7th house) and his popularity among people (moon) that has raised him to the royal position of the US President. Moon exalted, in own star Rohini & receiving Jupiter's aspect forming Gauri Yoga seals the issue of raising Obama to a royal status by popular support. Obama became President in Jupiter dasa-Moon bhukti.
2) Another key point is strength of the lagna & lagna lord which is, in fact, the foundation of any horoscope. Obama has two enormous strengths here.
a) Saturn lord of lagna occupies lagna with vargottama navamsa giving sasa mahapurusha yoga and a powerful raja yoga because he is swakshetra and vargottama. This position of lagna lord being vargottama in lagna is an outstanding one enough to raise Obama head and shoulders above the average person.
b) As if (a) above were not enough, the 9th lord Mercury occupies the 7th and is in mutual aspect with lagna lord in lagna. As we know, the 9th lord represents blessings & merits earned on account of good deeds done in past lives; it thus represents the quantum and nature of inevitable good fortune or the lack of it that will follow one like one's own shadow; it is said to indicate fate as also divine will. It also represents God's grace and is called the house of spirituality & of leadership. All noble & higher things of life are associated with the 9th house which is often called the most important house in the horoscope. In the case of Obama, the 9th lord goes to the 7th house (his destiny & fortune are intimately people oriented & he finds his fortune & destiny in issues important to people
at large). The mutual aspect between 9th & 1st lords, centred on the 7th & 1st houses, gives him his popular appeal. Saturn rules masses. Mercury rules intelligentsia. Note that both have supported Obama. Moon represents women. This group has supported him too. Sun-Saturn mutual aspect could be a limitation but becomes harmless because Saturn is in own sign and Sun receives Jupiter's aspect. Thus Obama faced family problems on account of an absent father (Sun) but overcame the problem
in a very profound way, emerging stronger in the process. He was fortunate to have found support & strength to do so. The great benefic Jupiter gets neechabhanga raja yoga in lagna, aspects Sun and occupies own navamsa neutralising the evil/limitation of Sun-Saturn mutual aspect.
Wherever 9th lord associates with lagna, destiny seems to have something special in store for the native. It also forms a lakshmi yoga giving the native many virtues and making him/her highly fortunate.
Also note how easily money poured in for Obama's campaign.
In my view, these two factors have made Obama not just the US president but a hugely popular one.
The negative factors in his chart ie: 5th & 10th lord Venus in the 6th,
Mars lord of 4th & 11th in 8th with Rahu have contributed 2 things:
1) These have made him president of a country now in its darkest hour,
a time of economic collapse unheard of since the Great Depression and
2) The negative factors in his horoscope have made his own personal life a struggle in many ways.
Thus, both the positive & negative features are amply evident in Obama's chart and clearly & accurately borne out in his actual life events.
Ashok
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Basab
Dear Ashoka,
Don't you think the 9th lord in Barack Obama's birth chart is afflicted as it is conjunct the 8th lord? I think the 8th lord will have a stronger influence on the 9th lord as it is conjunct with it. But the 9th lord gets a lot of power in the D-9 chart where it gets exalted and is in mutual aspect with benefic Jupiter. The 1-9-10 conjunction in the 5th house of the D-9 chart is quite a strong combination for achieving success as he has got.
Don't you think the 9th lord in Barack Obama's birth chart is afflicted as it is conjunct the 8th lord? I think the 8th lord will have a stronger influence on the 9th lord as it is conjunct with it. But the 9th lord gets a lot of power in the D-9 chart where it gets exalted and is in mutual aspect with benefic Jupiter. The 1-9-10 conjunction in the 5th house of the D-9 chart is quite a strong combination for achieving success as he has got.
Hi Basab,
Sorry for my late reply-was busy yesterday.
I did indeed struggle a LOT in my first 40 years, as you point out.
It was terrible-racism in the UK, harassment at school, family trying to marry me off, living in different places, failing to find much understanding from anyone, not a lot of money, and a lot of hard work. On the plus side, adventure, broadening of outlook, independence, attaining my goals, not having an arranged marriage. The dasas you mention were challenging, but things are much better now. I have felt since childhood that I have a very strong will and the desire and ability to obtain the things I want. I believe we are empowered to go after the things we want: we should not simply wait around to be handed them on a plate or for "permission"-there is no "authority" giving us permission. As I have succeeded in that, I tend to discount the "suffering" along the way. It is part of the process. Of course-some people ARE handed things on a plate-but my inclination is to conclude, "easy come easy go". Consequently, I suppose I tend to feel that all the 6th-12th house placements are not so bad. I got where I wanted to go. I am indeed bold and aggressive. I work hard and I never give up unless a strategic retreat is the smartest option........ Mars dasa was good-ish but not totally smooth sailing-in fact I think Rahu has been better-perhaps building on the Mars dasa foundation?
I thought your analysis was pretty good actually-I do have an excellent education (degree, PhD), and the 6th house tends to manifest as anxiety and a lack of confidence rather than physical illness. My mother and I had a very poor relationship most of my life. However, we have both worked hard to improve it since my father died in 97, and now get along a LOT better. Her health has always been a bit "off"-basically she is strong but a valetudinarian-on the good side she is health conscious, careful, should have been a doctor, knowledgeable about health, does yoga etc etc. I used to get depressed when I was younger, but not really any more-I have no patience with it and I am overall, very happy. I dont think I have an ordinary horoscope: I just dont think it is always so bad having dusthana placements-they are not tragedies, they can contribute useful stuff, and they have a value as windows on the world. I DO think that rethinking the significations of these placements is worthwhile, today's world being so different.
I have a question. My Lagna lord moon is in 6 as you know. However, in navamsa, it is exalted in Taurus in 4-a very good position I should think-opposed to sun in 10-therefore a bright full moon. My interpretation is that things should be better in the second half of life, correct? I do feel that after the early struggle, I am happier and have more equilibrium emotionally. I HAVE moved house a LOT but am trying to settle down. I would interpret the navamsa positions as supporting that. What do you think? I would also say, I would attain a position of authority as well-what do you think?
Sorry for my late reply-was busy yesterday.
I did indeed struggle a LOT in my first 40 years, as you point out.
It was terrible-racism in the UK, harassment at school, family trying to marry me off, living in different places, failing to find much understanding from anyone, not a lot of money, and a lot of hard work. On the plus side, adventure, broadening of outlook, independence, attaining my goals, not having an arranged marriage. The dasas you mention were challenging, but things are much better now. I have felt since childhood that I have a very strong will and the desire and ability to obtain the things I want. I believe we are empowered to go after the things we want: we should not simply wait around to be handed them on a plate or for "permission"-there is no "authority" giving us permission. As I have succeeded in that, I tend to discount the "suffering" along the way. It is part of the process. Of course-some people ARE handed things on a plate-but my inclination is to conclude, "easy come easy go". Consequently, I suppose I tend to feel that all the 6th-12th house placements are not so bad. I got where I wanted to go. I am indeed bold and aggressive. I work hard and I never give up unless a strategic retreat is the smartest option........ Mars dasa was good-ish but not totally smooth sailing-in fact I think Rahu has been better-perhaps building on the Mars dasa foundation?
I thought your analysis was pretty good actually-I do have an excellent education (degree, PhD), and the 6th house tends to manifest as anxiety and a lack of confidence rather than physical illness. My mother and I had a very poor relationship most of my life. However, we have both worked hard to improve it since my father died in 97, and now get along a LOT better. Her health has always been a bit "off"-basically she is strong but a valetudinarian-on the good side she is health conscious, careful, should have been a doctor, knowledgeable about health, does yoga etc etc. I used to get depressed when I was younger, but not really any more-I have no patience with it and I am overall, very happy. I dont think I have an ordinary horoscope: I just dont think it is always so bad having dusthana placements-they are not tragedies, they can contribute useful stuff, and they have a value as windows on the world. I DO think that rethinking the significations of these placements is worthwhile, today's world being so different.
I have a question. My Lagna lord moon is in 6 as you know. However, in navamsa, it is exalted in Taurus in 4-a very good position I should think-opposed to sun in 10-therefore a bright full moon. My interpretation is that things should be better in the second half of life, correct? I do feel that after the early struggle, I am happier and have more equilibrium emotionally. I HAVE moved house a LOT but am trying to settle down. I would interpret the navamsa positions as supporting that. What do you think? I would also say, I would attain a position of authority as well-what do you think?
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Maharaniji,
I feel, this Rahu period is going to make you face challenges and stiff competitions throughout. It's not going to be an easy period as in relaxing and having a very peaceful time. You will have to fight your competitors and enemies and though you will win most of the time, you will hardly get the time to enjoy some peace. It can give health problems as well. But you will do well in this period and achieve a lot because of all the benefic associations. I also feel this period will make you travel a lot. Your mother may also face health problems in this period, and you can also buy a house in this period but by by taking loan.
In your D-9 chart 4th house is weak as it is hemmed by malefics and its lord Venus is in the 8th house debiliated. Moon in the 4th house is not good for the 4th house as it harms the indications of the 4th house--mother, home and happiness--and also it's being hemmed by malefics is a double negative.
I feel, this Rahu period is going to make you face challenges and stiff competitions throughout. It's not going to be an easy period as in relaxing and having a very peaceful time. You will have to fight your competitors and enemies and though you will win most of the time, you will hardly get the time to enjoy some peace. It can give health problems as well. But you will do well in this period and achieve a lot because of all the benefic associations. I also feel this period will make you travel a lot. Your mother may also face health problems in this period, and you can also buy a house in this period but by by taking loan.
In your D-9 chart 4th house is weak as it is hemmed by malefics and its lord Venus is in the 8th house debiliated. Moon in the 4th house is not good for the 4th house as it harms the indications of the 4th house--mother, home and happiness--and also it's being hemmed by malefics is a double negative.
Dear All,
THanks for all the excellent feedback!!
Re the 6th house, I can affirm that I am highly competitive and like to win, so that seems to fit. My job is one where a competitive edge really helps.... I am courageous and quite willing to stick my neck out. Courage is something I value a lot.
I dont know about "enemies" and the 6th house: the whole concept of a personal "enemy" seems medieval to me-like something my mother would say (she is from the village....)-I think in today's complex societies personal enemies dont really exist. Problems are far more diffuse and pervasive than the concept of a person, possibly lurking in a dark corner, plotting one's downfall. A better way to think about it in today's context might be: problems of one sort and another are likely to crop up-but Im a great problem solver-and that is how I defeat my enemies! I dont think that there is really a person or persons out there who are "enemies". Everyone is just too busy........ My training was in problem solving and my job is largely problem solving so I get to use those skills a lot, both for myself and my staff!
Re my Rahu dasa, it has been eventful but in my view successful and exciting! While the texts extol a life of peaceful relaxation as the ideal, it would drive me insane. There was a period in my life (1988-92) which was very stable and quiet, but after I while I got really really bored. I need a meaningful career, lots to do, new challenges, adventure, and a feeling of growth. A few problems to be defeated are OK too.
I just bought a house-it closes on Wednesday! Of course I got a loan-I live in the US- but despite the mess some banks are still doing business, though they have really tightened up how they do it-as they used to do in the 1990s before the housing boom. So as far as I am concerned, nothing has changed-I last bought a house in 1990, and practices then were much more careful.
This particular item "He would be stingy and will not remember the helps done to him by his friends or relatives" is NOT true. In my world a great deal is accomplished through personal networking. If someone opens a door for me I do the same for them, and I am extremely loyal, too much so if anything. You never know when a relationship will be useful and I always expect my contacts to "use" me-it is how the world works. I am not stingy either.
My mother's health is not too good right now, but it is nothing life threatening.
THanks for all the excellent feedback!!
Re the 6th house, I can affirm that I am highly competitive and like to win, so that seems to fit. My job is one where a competitive edge really helps.... I am courageous and quite willing to stick my neck out. Courage is something I value a lot.
I dont know about "enemies" and the 6th house: the whole concept of a personal "enemy" seems medieval to me-like something my mother would say (she is from the village....)-I think in today's complex societies personal enemies dont really exist. Problems are far more diffuse and pervasive than the concept of a person, possibly lurking in a dark corner, plotting one's downfall. A better way to think about it in today's context might be: problems of one sort and another are likely to crop up-but Im a great problem solver-and that is how I defeat my enemies! I dont think that there is really a person or persons out there who are "enemies". Everyone is just too busy........ My training was in problem solving and my job is largely problem solving so I get to use those skills a lot, both for myself and my staff!
Re my Rahu dasa, it has been eventful but in my view successful and exciting! While the texts extol a life of peaceful relaxation as the ideal, it would drive me insane. There was a period in my life (1988-92) which was very stable and quiet, but after I while I got really really bored. I need a meaningful career, lots to do, new challenges, adventure, and a feeling of growth. A few problems to be defeated are OK too.
I just bought a house-it closes on Wednesday! Of course I got a loan-I live in the US- but despite the mess some banks are still doing business, though they have really tightened up how they do it-as they used to do in the 1990s before the housing boom. So as far as I am concerned, nothing has changed-I last bought a house in 1990, and practices then were much more careful.
This particular item "He would be stingy and will not remember the helps done to him by his friends or relatives" is NOT true. In my world a great deal is accomplished through personal networking. If someone opens a door for me I do the same for them, and I am extremely loyal, too much so if anything. You never know when a relationship will be useful and I always expect my contacts to "use" me-it is how the world works. I am not stingy either.
My mother's health is not too good right now, but it is nothing life threatening.
I wanted to share something I've been considering with regard to why some yogas work and others don't. I haven't looked over enough charts yet, but what I'm noticing so far is that the planets involved in the natal yoga need to be well-placed again from the Moon's chart in order to give the effects they're supposed to give.
For example, in Obama's Moon's chart, the 1st house Saturn becomes a raja yoga in the 9th house and with the aspects from Sun and Mercury, who themselves are a raja and dhana yoga of 2nd, 4th and 5th rulers, it becomes involved in even more raja and dhana yogas.
In Bill Clinton's chart, he has natal Saturn and Mercury conjunct as 5th ruler conjunct 1st/10th ruler showing his career in politics. These 2 planets are then reasonably well placed in the 4th house of the Moon's chart and the Moon's 5th house is very strong with Sun in its own sign of Leo.
In contrast, George W. Bush has a raja yoga of Mars as 5th/10th ruler showing the possibility of politics (especially in the nakshatra of magha where his family's power comes into play), but this Mars is in the 12th house from his Moon's chart, so maybe it is not as effective. It did give him power, but it also gave flawed results. From the Moon's chart, there is Saturn, Mercury and Venus conjunct in the 11th house as a very strong group of yogas involving 1st, 2nd, 5th, 9th and 10th rulers but they are weak by sign and, I think more importantly, are not involved in any good yogas in the natal chart. They are actually an aristha yoga in the natal 1st house involving the 8th/12th rulers and would harm his character and general conduct.
Two other examples of the Moon's chart supporting the natal yogas are the charts of Albert Einstein and Donald Trump.
Einstein has an excellent maha/raja yoga of Jupiter in Aquarius 9th in exchange with Saturn in Pisces 10th. In the Moon's chart, with Scorpio rising, this becomes another excellent 4th/5th house parivartana/raja yoga.
Trump has a string of dhana yogas- Mars as raja yoga karaka in the 2nd house, ruled by Sun conjunct exalted Rahu in the 11th house, ruled by Venus in the 1st, who is however weak in Cancer and conjunct Saturn, ruled by Moon in the 5th, who is again weak in debility and conjunct exalted Ketu, and then back around again to Mars. In the Moon's chart (with Scorpio Moon), all of the planets involved are well placed by house. Also, 2 of the planets involved, Sun and Moon, become a raja yoga of 9th/10th rulers in mutual aspect. And there is also a dhana yoga of stationary Jupiter as 2nd/5th ruler.
I can also think of 2 charts where there appears to be a strong yoga but the planets involved move to the Moon's 12th house, and they have not given the expected results.
Obviously, I can't say for sure that this works, but I'm going to keep looking into it since it seems pretty accurate so far.
For example, in Obama's Moon's chart, the 1st house Saturn becomes a raja yoga in the 9th house and with the aspects from Sun and Mercury, who themselves are a raja and dhana yoga of 2nd, 4th and 5th rulers, it becomes involved in even more raja and dhana yogas.
In Bill Clinton's chart, he has natal Saturn and Mercury conjunct as 5th ruler conjunct 1st/10th ruler showing his career in politics. These 2 planets are then reasonably well placed in the 4th house of the Moon's chart and the Moon's 5th house is very strong with Sun in its own sign of Leo.
In contrast, George W. Bush has a raja yoga of Mars as 5th/10th ruler showing the possibility of politics (especially in the nakshatra of magha where his family's power comes into play), but this Mars is in the 12th house from his Moon's chart, so maybe it is not as effective. It did give him power, but it also gave flawed results. From the Moon's chart, there is Saturn, Mercury and Venus conjunct in the 11th house as a very strong group of yogas involving 1st, 2nd, 5th, 9th and 10th rulers but they are weak by sign and, I think more importantly, are not involved in any good yogas in the natal chart. They are actually an aristha yoga in the natal 1st house involving the 8th/12th rulers and would harm his character and general conduct.
Two other examples of the Moon's chart supporting the natal yogas are the charts of Albert Einstein and Donald Trump.
Einstein has an excellent maha/raja yoga of Jupiter in Aquarius 9th in exchange with Saturn in Pisces 10th. In the Moon's chart, with Scorpio rising, this becomes another excellent 4th/5th house parivartana/raja yoga.
Trump has a string of dhana yogas- Mars as raja yoga karaka in the 2nd house, ruled by Sun conjunct exalted Rahu in the 11th house, ruled by Venus in the 1st, who is however weak in Cancer and conjunct Saturn, ruled by Moon in the 5th, who is again weak in debility and conjunct exalted Ketu, and then back around again to Mars. In the Moon's chart (with Scorpio Moon), all of the planets involved are well placed by house. Also, 2 of the planets involved, Sun and Moon, become a raja yoga of 9th/10th rulers in mutual aspect. And there is also a dhana yoga of stationary Jupiter as 2nd/5th ruler.
I can also think of 2 charts where there appears to be a strong yoga but the planets involved move to the Moon's 12th house, and they have not given the expected results.
Obviously, I can't say for sure that this works, but I'm going to keep looking into it since it seems pretty accurate so far.
