Why is vedic astrology depressive?

[idontknow]

To moderators and respected astrologers I have not posted this to upset anyone so please don't misunderstand me .

I have been seeing this forums from a longtime and also learning this art form past 2 months.Like any other student I have applied this knowledge in my chart and ironically starting to regret it .

IMO western astrology atleast gives off in a positive way (albiet only personalty)but is no way elaborate and predictive than vedic. Starting to read my chart and ending up being depressive than before.J hora states many yogas but none of them were fruitful .Later I find out that its because most of them are malefic and the only benfic in my chart is venus and mercury(LL) debilitated and on top of it combusted. and others is another story

Navamsha holds no fruit with KD dosha and visha yoga..MB....2 malefics debilated in lagna.. so on everything is a black hole..

I have posted this not to rage on this topic but my point is knowing my bad as@@!!fate how would this help me
Some remedies have never worked for me and I am of a different faith.

Regards
IDK

[rehr]

Dear IDK,

Just a question - When you started learning astrology, were you going through any difficult time or you started learning astrology out of your own interest?

[elipsis]

Who told you to be absolutely dependant on astrolgy? It's just a guide, it can help you identify your strengths so that you don't waste time doing useless things. When life gets you down blame yourself (instead of planets) and try to do better. Trust me, this method has created many fortunate people eventhough their horoscopes look awful.

[Ghrishneswar]

It is depressive because when it comes to oneself, nobody wants to see any bad yogas and weakness in charts. Everyone wants to see only rajayogas.

Every human ever born on this planet has issues and weaknesses. Exepecting not to find any issues is incorrect.
We pick and chose when it comes to ourselves.
When we see rajayogas according to astrology that should make us Chakravarti king we ignore them.
When it comes to yogas predicting that we are absolute scum of the earth we believe it. If the first one is not 100% true how can the other part be 100% true?
Debiliated planets are so heavily criticised that the moment we see them we predict doom.

Half knowledge is bad. Prediction is sum of all influences. So if you have 10 rajayogas and 5 poverty yogas, the cumulative effective may be you may have faced poverty but are now well to do.

Did anyone ever tell you that neecha planets can be very good for your journey to moksha?

As someone in forum once said (I guess astroboy)if you have internet access you are amongst top 5% of the world population and have functional rajayogas.

So it depends on how you approach the subject.
A palmist had once predicted that I will never have a good degree that I will never do a job.
I was preparing for competitive exams at that point. Had I believed what he said , I do not know where I would have ended up.
No one is GOD and only HE can know your future.
Humans can only try.

[lilly2005]

To moderators and respected astrologers I have not posted this to upset anyone so please don't misunderstand me .

I have been seeing this forums from a longtime and also learning this art form past 2 months.Like any other student I have applied this knowledge in my chart and ironically starting to regret it .

IMO western astrology atleast gives off in a positive way (albiet only personalty)but is no way elaborate and predictive than vedic. Starting to read my chart and ending up being depressive than before.J hora states many yogas but none of them were fruitful .Later I find out that its because most of them are malefic and the only benfic in my chart is venus and mercury(LL) debilitated and on top of it combusted. and others is another story

Navamsha holds no fruit with KD dosha and visha yoga..MB....2 malefics debilated in lagna.. so on everything is a black hole..

I have posted this not to rage on this topic but my point is knowing my bad as@@!!fate how would this help me
Some remedies have never worked for me and I am of a different faith.

Regards
IDK

Cheer up poker face... !! Nothing to get upset about as there are many people with debilitation planets having a time of their life.. For example, look at Bill Gates, he has debilitation Sun and he is so rich and successful and living a happy life. Have you seen the chart of President Obama ? In his chart also he has debilitated Jupiter and he became the president of a big country. In fact I have personally know a few people with a few debilitated planets and are living a very comfortable, posh life.

Lilly

[rehr]

Did anyone ever tell you that neecha planets can be very good for your journey to moksha?

Ghrishneswarji,
Will you please share which are those planets required to be neecha for getting moksha?

[lilly2005]

Dear Members,

I was not aware that neecha planets give moksha. In my observation, I have seen neecha planets give mostly material comfort and non-spiritual lifestyle for the natives. So, I am also curious to know how and when it happens. If you have real life examples it wold help.


Lilly

[Ghrishneswar]

Debiliated atmakaraka in d20 can lead towards moksha.
The stronger the atmakaraka the more the person has tendency to shun the light of lord and hence unteachable. Atmakaraka annihiliation by ketu is the key to moksha. To attain this state one has to surrender to desires which planets represent. Debilited planets signify humility. They will force you to be humble and hence more suitable for teaching.
Debiliated Ak with ketu is very conducive to spirituality and consequently moksha.
Malefics are more effective in cleaning soul by giving pain suffering and hence quicker cleaning.
See Aurbindo ghosh's chart in j hora. Me is ak and debiliated in 8h in d20.
Another chart I saw in this forum Feb 17, 1972, 3:45 PM Chennai, India.
See D20 and I know the person is very spiritual, teachable..probably going towards moksha.
He has most of the planets neecha in D20 including AK and it is in 8H. Me, Ju, Ra, ke and Sa are neecha in D20..very conducive to spiritual path.

[rehr]

Debilited planets signify humility. They will force you to be humble and hence more suitable for teaching.

Thanks Ghrishneswarji for sharing this knowledge. Does the AK only participate in giving the moksha or some lordship of the planets in D1 also give similar indication towards moksha? For example, 12th house/lord and its association with Ketu?

[Ghrishneswar]

AK, Ke and 12H, saturn, Ju all have a role in Moksha.
There is thread about Ke in 12H going on in this forum. It has some very good ideas.

[rehr]

AK, Ke and 12H, saturn, Ju all have a role in Moksha.
There is thread about Ke in 12H going on in this forum. It has some very good ideas.

Thank you Ghrishneswarji for sharing the info.

[Basab]

In my opinion, vedic astrology is not depressive at all. If one studies the subject properly, he will notice that the houses, the planets, the yogas that are negative in astrology also has some positive results to offer at the same time.

[scientist]

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[idontknow]

........ the yogas that are negative in astrology also has some positive results to offer at the same time.

True

How can it be true when I have the worst malefic that is making my life hell shani-moon aspected by ketu from 12TH all in 4th house???
Moon highest malefic with highest shabdala can you plz tell me how is this positive?

[sinecurve]

To moderators and respected astrologers I have not posted this to upset anyone so please don't misunderstand me .

I have been seeing this forums from a longtime and also learning this art form past 2 months.Like any other student I have applied this knowledge in my chart and ironically starting to regret it .

IMO western astrology atleast gives off in a positive way (albiet only personalty)but is no way elaborate and predictive than vedic. Starting to read my chart and ending up being depressive than before.J hora states many yogas but none of them were fruitful .Later I find out that its because most of them are malefic and the only benfic in my chart is venus and mercury(LL) debilitated and on top of it combusted. and others is another story

Navamsha holds no fruit with KD dosha and visha yoga..MB....2 malefics debilated in lagna.. so on everything is a black hole..

I have posted this not to rage on this topic but my point is knowing my bad as@@!!fate how would this help me
Some remedies have never worked for me and I am of a different faith.

Regards
IDK

why shoot the messenger dude ? Life sucks and astrology translates it for you of why it sucks...simple ! Would you be writing this post from your deck on a beach house at malibu ? Dont think so...so you are here coz something is 'NOT RIGHT'....and vedic astrology tells you what it is.

AND astrologers could also tell you if you would get depressed by the chart readings or just laugh it off. I have a friend who lives in a mansion at Bangalore, drives a 60 lac car, blessed with a puppet husband and a handsome son...not to mention she heads a vertical in her Organization. I have asked for her birth details couple of times but she says its a crap for losers...Can we blame her ?

Hope you get my point.

[rehr]

........ the yogas that are negative in astrology also has some positive results to offer at the same time.

True

How can it be true when I have the worst malefic that is making my life hell shani-moon aspected by ketu from 12TH all in 4th house???
Moon highest malefic with highest shabdala can you plz tell me how is this positive?

IDK, Ketu is serpent's tail, it does not have head so one school of thought is Ketu does not have aspect since it does not have sight. And moksha karaka ketu in 12th is good. Try to experiment the principles on some other charts as well. You will not get depressed then

[scientist]

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[swamykool]

Dear idontknow,

2 months is too early to apply your knowledge of Hindu Astrology to your own chart. You should do it after at least 2 yrs. Till then depend on the more experienced astrologers.

And Hindu Astrology is neither depressive nor elative. It just gives an accurate picture of your life and life events.

swamykool

[Hari76]

Best thing I liked about astrology is the section on remedial measures. Especially in BPHS where the Rishi tells us to anticipate problems in so-and-so period, and continues to say that by sincere devoted chanting of certain mantras/stotras, and by sincere offerings to charity, we can, to a large extent, shield ourselves from the future problems. This is very instructive & uplifting.