Kendradhipatya Dosha? You decide

[KET]

prspumji

I have been following the thread and looking for take away points for references. However, your reply on the thread, I thought myself to register some point which personally I felt I should, therefore at this juncture my entry in to this post may feel you intrigued.

Treat our sages like scientist of yesteryears whose hypothesis are being proven wrong by today scientists but it does not mean that their contribution is of lesser importance in any way as today scientist are building blocks on earlier hypothesis only.

Let us keep our sages and their work as theirs and do not make any assumptions in public domain by comparing them with scientist of yesteryears, nor current or, future scientist etc.It will be futile and kiddish to assume and make such comparison.


Why not we are doing same thing in astrology also so that it can become replicable like science. Medical science accepts its limitation in treating many disease hence it is acceptable 2day but in astrology we say whatever is written in classics have come from god hence it will remain true always this is nothing but dogma in astrology .

I can hours of hours can chat and dwell on medical subject.Medical science does not accept limitation. I am not sure what you are talking about limitation in Medical... are you talking about clinical research ( vitro/vivo), or you are talking about limitations in clinicians, or you talking about the limitations of patients, or you talking about support services to a clinician ( be it toxicology lab, or a NGO for funding for patient etc ), or you are talking about a clinician's failure in diagnosis or prognosis of the disease for a patient.

There are set of guideline(treatment protocol system to be adhered) for a clinician in diagnosis and the management of a disease. For e.g... if patient is suffering from upper resp. infection... the management of containing infection part is start with say amoxycline antibiotic treatment regimen, the guideline/teaching also says do not give high potent antibiotic at the first go to a patient with upper resp. infection., because patient in case develop sensitivity to higher antibiotic... clinician managing the patient is faulted.There are no limitations in Medical Research, pharmaceutical research on developing new molecules( innovation)... if innovation in developing new research compound not there for drug companies, they cannot survive in the market. Please do not conclude there are limitations in medical research.

Medical research has come from Dhanvantri ( Sage only). Today a hear/ Liver/ Kidney transplant has evolved from old classics only ( hope you are aware of Lord Shiva placed Elephant Head on the beheaded his son's body... transplanted organ). There is nothing dogmatic in astrology, all slokhas are documented in Sanskrit, like today how a medical research paper is documented in various meetings and subsequently it is published in a reputed medical journal.

[srimedico]

AB ji , pranaam

Tula - Chandra if strong as the 10th lord (If waxing) -

so this mean , for librans , moon as 10 th lord produce malefic effects during its periods ?

i have 3 requests :

A ) i am libra asc , and my moon is in 10 th house itself ( in its own sign ) ... i read that K.dosha will not apply if a planet is in its own sign , is it true ? If so , then do my MOON periods be favourable ? ( i am due my Moon MD )

B) i have exalted sun in 7th house ( aries - not in its own house .. so k.dosha applies ) ... since sun is a malefic planet , does this mean that SUN's periods will be good for me ( i am due my SUN MD . )

C) And remaining kendras , in 1st house - i dont have a planet ( but ketu is present ) , in my 4th house - i have NBRY jup (in capricorn ) - how will jup be effected and act .


Thanks

April 28 1985 , time: 18 hrs 17 min 10 secs , 80 E 37' ; 16 N 31'

[Ghrishneswar]

This thread has meandered a totally different path. Why can't we respect opinions and prelim findings of someone else. For me this forum is not for learning astrology. You have to learn astrology from books. Forum is for discussion after you have read something.
This dosha is not making figment imagination. It has come from classics. We are trying to decipher if this KP dosha really works or not. Nowhere have we reached a conclusion that this works in all cases or not.
The title of the thread say "You Decide". No one is claiming to be a final authority on KP dosha.

This is discussion forum, tolerance and respect for everyone's opinion is required. Everyone asks about free will - this is exactly an opportunity to use your free-will and chose to be respectful to each other.

Research by any one should be based on a 1000s of horoscope not a 10 to 20.

Another point to note that a lot of horoscope have both bad an good combinations. Some bad effects may never come forward they may be hidden/secret which you will never know. No one will admit it. A person with Jupiter have KP dosha may have loose or waivering morals...they will never admit it. Similarly a person with neecha Ve or KP afflicated Ve may be very rich or have all luxuries in the world but may have very may be bahustrigami.. or addicted to exotic experiences..may be deeply involved in unwated imagery...while you can validate materialist results, these effects are impossible to validate.

One thing is for sure - Nothing gets cancelled in astrology it only gets modified. So when predicting find as many factors as possible that impact any result and try to find cumulative effect. This is where the art part of astrology comes in.

[astroboy]

Sri medico,

You have asked me three questions,

A ) i am libra asc , and my moon is in 10 th house itself ( in its own sign ) ... i read that K.dosha will not apply if a planet is in its own sign , is it true ? If so , then do my MOON periods be favourable ? ( i am due my Moon MD )

B) i have exalted sun in 7th house ( aries - not in its own house .. so k.dosha applies ) ... since sun is a malefic planet , does this mean that SUN's periods will be good for me ( i am due my SUN MD . )

C) And remaining kendras , in 1st house - i dont have a planet ( but ketu is present ) , in my 4th house - i have NBRY jup (in capricorn ) - how will jup be effected and act .

I think a Benefic Kendra lord in a Kendra is equally Dangerous as a Kendra lord in the 2nd. However, I am yet to form a concrete opinion on the concept of Kendradhipati dosha, So I shall reserve my comments.

The sun is a cruel graha as per some texts. Some texts equate him as a malefic. The rule on Kendradhipati dosha is clear. Malefics are spared of this blemish.

There is no question of K.D. being applied to Guru in case of this Lagna.. Please read my thread on the Donors lounge once again.

[srimedico]

Sri medico,

You have asked me three questions,



I think a Benefic Kendra lord in a Kendra is equally Dangerous as a Kendra lord in the 2nd. However, I am yet to form a concrete opinion on the concept of Kendradhipati dosha, So I shall reserve my comments.

The sun is a cruel graha as per some texts. Some texts equate him as a malefic. The rule on Kendradhipati dosha is clear. Malefics are spared of this blemish.

There is no question of K.D. being applied to Guru in case of this Lagna.. Please read my thread on the Donors lounge once again.

Thank u AB ji for replying

ok sir abt the moon

thank u abt the sun

abt jup , i didnt understand , but will go and read in donors' lounge now as u suggested .

many thanks

[sureshk]

dear astrologers,
we are still discussing about only one yoga(kendraadipathya) when the authenticity of all yogas in the classic is at stake.we find that a horoscope with many yogas do not prosper at all where as a horoscope with so called doshas prosper like any thing.when we take a horoscope to different astrologers you find totally different predictions from different astrologers.whom to believe then?when all the astrologers are learning from the same classic why predictions vary from astrologer to astrologer which endangers the credibility of astrology.
i humbly request great astrologers in this forum to find meaningful answers for the above to enhance the credibility of astrology.
sureshk

[Ghrishneswar]

Sureshk,
This is like saying that system of medicine is wrong because the doctors are incompetent. It is wrong to assume that all astrologers are competent. It is also wrong to assume that all have read same all classics. If you go to a quack and the treatment does not work the fault is not with medicine but with the practioner quack. Even medicine is not 100% perfect different docs give different diagnosis. Let us not blame the science/ art. The issue is practitioners. Medicine is not 100% accurate. Somethings work some don't.

[navall]

Dear Deepak ji,

Acc to Ganesha Hora shastra as quoted by u in Donors Section,

When Jupiter gets K D, is badhakadhipati, and has the seventh house lordship at the same time is debilitated, or ill placed or looses power proves fatal


I have Kanya Lagna, i have all the combo as mentioned above, except Jup is placed well in 5th house,

and improving its debilitation by being exalted in navamsa.

Should i consider Jupiter fatal in my Horoscope too or has he become less malefic than quoted above being well placed and exalted in D9.

[navall]

Dear Deepak ji,

Cud u pls post what is said for Kanya Lagna (Ganesh Hora shastra)in this regard as for mithuna lagna posted by u.

[sureshk]

grishneswar,
what i meant was we need to build a foundation to enhance the authenticity of astrology.when u take a patient to various reputed doctors almost all doctors come out with same diagnostics.in science a law is framed and released in books only after the hypothesis is tested several times and verified under different conditions.in astrology rules like yogas are framed with out verifying it with differnt horoscopes.there should be a regulatory body in astrology to test different yogas before allowing it to be published in astrology books.once that is done you will not have differnt prediction from different astrologers.the need of the hour is to restore the credibility of astrology by following only those rules that work in all horoscopes.
we find so many books on astrology written by so many authors with out proper verification only to spoil the credibility of astrology.
sureshk

[Ghrishneswar]

grishneswar,
what i meant was we need to build a foundation to enhance the authenticity of astrology.when u take a patient to various reputed doctors almost all doctors come out with same diagnostics.in science a law is framed and released in books only after the hypothesis is tested several times and verified under different conditions.in astrology rules like yogas are framed with out verifying it with differnt horoscopes.there should be a regulatory body in astrology to test different yogas before allowing it to be published in astrology books.once that is done you will not have differnt prediction from different astrologers.the need of the hour is to restore the credibility of astrology by following only those rules that work in all horoscopes.
we find so many books on astrology written by so many authors with out proper verification only to spoil the credibility of astrology.
sureshk

I understand what you are trying to say. Astrology will always remain an art/spiritual practice so I am not sure if we are going to be there where one question one response no matter whom you ask is applicable.
The issue is astrology involves art also...hence elements of gray will alsways exist.
Predicting and knowing future is very tempting...so there will always be controversy.

This is off topic so I will stop.

[Caliber]

So for Dhanu Lagna, what is the best placement for Jupiter? And what are the effects if the Jupiter is in 6, 8 or 12 houses?

[Ghrishneswar]

I got an opportunity to read more about KP dosha in donor's section today. Jupiter's placement for Mithuna lagna in 8th house is very dangerous as described.

After going through post I could not find any mention of this dosa being considered in D charts like navamsa also. It seems authors have mentioned this dosa with respect to Rasi chart.

But we have seen that most astrologers apply rasi yogas to D charts also.
So it should be applicable to any D chart as well.

I have a chart that has has exactly the same placement in D9. May be divorce is not too far.
But the catch is Jupiter here is retrograde and receives neechabhanaga from Sa in D9.

Astroboy>> How bad is Jupite Dasha's going to be?
27-Nov-1975, 8:43 AM Lucknow.
Jupiter dasa kicks off in 12 years from now.

Another chart, not Mithuna lagna but Sg lagna. Severe KP dosa exists in D9.
27-Nov-1976, Lucknow , 10:00 AM
Going through Ju dasa... ending in 2016.

Both have Jupiter retro.

Please provide some analysis for both charts.

[astroboy]

Girishneswar ji, Good day to you.

In the 1st case, Guru is the Lagna lord who is sitting in the 4th house. The sloka is clear that if a kendra lord is associated with - or is also a trikona lord, there is no K.D.

Same with case 2. Guru is the Lagna lord and a kona lord. No question of K.D.

Best regards,

[sinecurve]

Seems for dual Lagna lordship, 7L should be very well placed else 7H matters are pretty much in drain. Not to mention 7L shouldnt be exalted as well because that will make Badhekesh / markesh stronger and in case its debilitaed, its anyhow screwed

Like Mithun Lagna, JU is under KD, Badhekesh and markesh. If exalted it goes to 2H, badha gets exalted and marka effect gets multiplied, if debilitated then 7L goes to 8H....story Over! Mithun Lagna natives should be banned from getting married at the first place.

[milredr]

Sine how profound.....what about Kanya lagna? 7th lord who is the badakesh is debilitated, however as per you marriage shd b screwed because the 7th lord is debilitated? Well my friend, its not the case. Kanya lagna people also shd not get married by your logic? If you want the chart for your case study for the above mentioned combo, i can provide you with the same . STORY NOT OVER

p.n.: Before Deepak says anything, Jupiter is in the kona house

[sinecurve]

Sine how profound.....what about Kanya lagna? 7th lord who is the badakesh is debilitated, however as per you marriage shd b screwed because the 7th lord is debilitated? Well my friend, its not the case. Kanya lagna people also shd not get married by your logic? If you want the chart for your case study for the above mentioned combo, i can provide you with the same . STORY NOT OVER

p.n.: Before Deepak says anything, Jupiter is in the kona house

Not as per me...its what I derived from the posts.

Yeah Kona and extremely strong NB.

[astroboy]

wah wah wah Mili - you finally read the post in the donors lounge. Nice.

Sine bhai, in your case, marriage is definitely not recommended.

A planetary war between Ketu and Shani in the Lagna ( Aspecting the 7th house ) Rahu in Mrityu Bhaga in the 7th house, and the 7th lord debilitated in the 8th. That is enough to wreck any marriage

Unless you find a chart which can match exceptionally well with your chart, there is no question of marriage for you.

[anilesh47]

What if in this case planet is retro. For example, my kanya lagna 7th lord Jupiter retro and in 12th house. What should be in this case? Retro planets have exception in this rule of KD??

Thank you.

[Ghrishneswar]

Girishneswar ji, Good day to you.

In the 1st case, Guru is the Lagna lord who is sitting in the 4th house. The sloka is clear that if a kendra lord is associated with - or is also a trikona lord, there is no K.D.

Same with case 2. Guru is the Lagna lord and a kona lord. No question of K.D.

Best regards,

It seems you are right. The 1976 native got married in ju md and completed md in ju dasa.
But as mahesh said "arrogance" or too much of surety was very visible.

[astroboy]

It affects relationships sir, It induces a - ""too much of a good thing syndrome""
Please go through this old post I made in regard to k.D. on the donors lounge,

by astroboy » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:05 pm,
So How does the Dosha act on the Native? It is alleged that the planet which is under Kendradhipati dosha fails to act effectively in promoting the interests of the Bhava it owns and is present in, and worse, it is also alleged that it fails to protect the interests of the Bhavas they own and are placed in. The effect is said to be severe on the Bhava the planet is placed in.
The attitude of the Graha who is subjected to a Kendradhpatya dosha can be best described as "lackadaisical". The adjective "lackadaisical" means, "Idle", "slow" "dreamily indolent" "lacking in spirit, drive, commitment or liveliness". The Graha is said to have the " too Much of a Good thing" syndrome. We all know, an excess of anything can only end up doing harm in the long run. The planet displays a "I dont care" attitude, when it really matters, thus ending up injuring it's own interests in the long Run.

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BTW, my Guru P.S. Rao ji, runs a very tight ship. He claims that in the case of Dhanu, Guru is the lagna lord no doubt, Being the 1st (Kendra and Kona lord) and the 4th, (Kendra lord alone), Guru till gets a blemish as a Kendradhipati lord because he owns the 4th house too . I have no comments to make on his claim. After all, he is my Guru.

[lakshmi01]

Hello Astroboy garu,

I read your article kendradipatya dosha in donor's section. My lagna is mithuna and jupiter being the 7th and 10th lord in 3rd house leo. What are the effects of this dosha to me.Jupiter is badhaka lord for me as well as to my husband.

my details
4th nov 1967
time 21.30 hrs
Vijayawada,Andhra Pradesh,India.

My husband's is virgo lagna , Jupiter rules 4th and 7th house ,placed in 8th house.What is the effect of jupiter in my husband's jataka.

His details are
10th July 1964
12.15 hrs (Noon)
Khammam,Andhra Pradesh,India.

regards
Lakshmi.

[Ghrishneswar]

prspum,
Do you have any examples that we can discuss?
But 2 charts that I have presented do not prove conclusively that this works or does not work. Both charts have very good functional rajayogas already. I am looking for more charts where this may have caused unexpected damage.

[lakshmi01]

Hello Astroboy garu,

I read your article kendradipatya dosha in donor's section. My lagna is mithuna and jupiter being the 7th and 10th lord in 3rd house leo. What are the effects of this dosha to me.Jupiter is badhaka lord for me as well as to my husband.

my details
4th nov 1967
time 21.30 hrs
Vijayawada,Andhra Pradesh,India.

My husband's is virgo lagna , Jupiter rules 4th and 7th house ,placed in 8th house.What is the effect of jupiter in my husband's jataka. THOUGH my husband is very well educated, but unable to land on job. He is struggling to to take a decision either to join in low level job or not.

His details are
10th July 1964
12.15 hrs (Noon)
Khammam,Andhra Pradesh,India.

regards
Lakshmi.

[sinecurve]

My husband's is virgo lagna , Jupiter rules 4th and 7th house ,placed in 8th house.What is the effect of jupiter in my husband's jataka. THOUGH my husband is very well educated, but unable to land on job. He is struggling to to take a decision either to join in low level job or not.

His details are
10th July 1964
12.15 hrs (Noon)
Khammam,Andhra Pradesh,India.

regards
Lakshmi.

When and how did he lose his job ? How has his time been starting 2011 ? I do see positive outcome pretty soon, but wish to understand of why he lost his job.