Chandra lagna/Moon's chart
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I've been trying to work with the Moon's chart lately and am having a hard time understanding it because in my own chart the Moon is in the 1st house, so there's no difference from the natal chart. Does anyone have experience working with it? The idea I'm most interested in is if it is easier to identify subjectively with the placements in the Moon's chart than it is to identify with those from the natal chart. For example, if Mars is in the 6th from the Moon but the 3rd from the natal chart, is there more of a subjective sense of expressing Mars in a careful, helpful way, i.e. 6th house in nature, even though in reality it may come across as excited and expressive, i.e. 3rd house in nature. Or, if not, what might be some of the effects of the Moon's chart, particularly on the subjective experiences. Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
You could do a test run on my chart. I primarily identify with my main chart, rather than chandra lagna, and wd be interested in seeing how the 2 charts lock together and how you would describe me.
One thing about my moon chart, my money houses work together better than in the main chart and I do make a pretty good salary, so it would seem to affect outer rather than inner experiences.
Details. 17th February, 1955, 6pm, Mumbai, India
One thing about my moon chart, my money houses work together better than in the main chart and I do make a pretty good salary, so it would seem to affect outer rather than inner experiences.
Details. 17th February, 1955, 6pm, Mumbai, India
Hi Maharani, in your chart, with Aries Mars in 10th in the rashi chart and in the 5th from Moon's chart, I'm thinking this might show that behind the purposeful, worldly qualities of your assertive nature you are really much more fun, creative and discerning than what might come across. Or, in spite of how serious and purposeful your efforts and actions may seem, to you at a subjective level, they are more related to being discerning, creative and also to enjoying yourself. Does that seem at all true?
Btw, something unrelated to the Moon's chart with regard to wealth is that both your rising nakshatra's ruler Mercury and 2nd ruler Sun are in Dhanishtha which is associated with wealth and status. You also have a strong 10th house and 10th significator with raja yoga Mars and angular exalted Saturn, both of which would point to professional success.
Btw, something unrelated to the Moon's chart with regard to wealth is that both your rising nakshatra's ruler Mercury and 2nd ruler Sun are in Dhanishtha which is associated with wealth and status. You also have a strong 10th house and 10th significator with raja yoga Mars and angular exalted Saturn, both of which would point to professional success.
Hi Maharani, in your chart, with Aries Mars in 10th in the rashi chart and in the 5th from Moon's chart, I'm thinking this might show that behind the purposeful, worldly qualities of your assertive nature you are really much more fun, creative and discerning than what might come across. Or, in spite of how serious and purposeful your efforts and actions may seem, to you at a subjective level, they are more related to being discerning, creative and also to enjoying yourself. Does that seem at all true?
** Yes this does seem true. Having fun and being creative are important values to me, particularly in my job. By being more creative than my competitors I beat them out, and having fun at my job helps me maintain focus and be productive in stressful situations, my career being important to me. I probably do come over as you describe-initially serious and driven, but very open to having fun when you get to know me. While I work very hard, I think its good to get away from work and do something fun. Discernment is important too: I like to collect information, know about a lot of subjects in depth etc.
Btw, something unrelated to the Moon's chart with regard to wealth is that both your rising nakshatra's ruler Mercury and 2nd ruler Sun are in Dhanishtha which is associated with wealth and status. You also have a strong 10th house and 10th significator with raja yoga Mars and angular exalted Saturn, both of which would point to professional success.
** I didnt know that. I have had a rather delayed financial success: until about 10 years ago I really wasn't primarily motivated by money-more by success. Now however, I am much more interested in financial success: I have to be as I am responsible for my own retirement.
** Yes this does seem true. Having fun and being creative are important values to me, particularly in my job. By being more creative than my competitors I beat them out, and having fun at my job helps me maintain focus and be productive in stressful situations, my career being important to me. I probably do come over as you describe-initially serious and driven, but very open to having fun when you get to know me. While I work very hard, I think its good to get away from work and do something fun. Discernment is important too: I like to collect information, know about a lot of subjects in depth etc.
Btw, something unrelated to the Moon's chart with regard to wealth is that both your rising nakshatra's ruler Mercury and 2nd ruler Sun are in Dhanishtha which is associated with wealth and status. You also have a strong 10th house and 10th significator with raja yoga Mars and angular exalted Saturn, both of which would point to professional success.
** I didnt know that. I have had a rather delayed financial success: until about 10 years ago I really wasn't primarily motivated by money-more by success. Now however, I am much more interested in financial success: I have to be as I am responsible for my own retirement.
Thanks Maharani, I'm glad that made sense. I realized, however, that Mars was probably a bad choice since it's the 5th ruler of the natal chart and so has that 5th connection with or without the Moon's chart. To try a different planet which contrasts more with its natal position, your Sun is in Aquarius 8th from lagna, and 3rd house from Moon. So here your general sense of identity is going to come across as friendly and sociable but private and analytical from Aquarius 8th house. At the subjective level, however, you might be more excited, expressive, adventurous and light-hearted, even to the point of being irreverent, than what comes across or than what others might see. What do you think, does that seem true?
RE" For example Maharani has a strong Mars aspected by Sat and Rahu in the 5th from Moon - illustrating the above point - where every inch of success is hard earned with blood, sweat and tears - Since the 5th lord is strong and holding his place - the success is sure to come by but not on a silver platter. "
Dear Srikanth,
How do you make this out? My Mars is definitely 5th from moon, Saturn is in Libra (11th from moon), aspecting Mars by opposition, but Rahu is conjunct the moon in Sagittarius, not 5th from moon.
On the other hand it is true Ive worked very hard for success-I get fed up seeing slackers rewarded........
Dear Srikanth,
How do you make this out? My Mars is definitely 5th from moon, Saturn is in Libra (11th from moon), aspecting Mars by opposition, but Rahu is conjunct the moon in Sagittarius, not 5th from moon.
On the other hand it is true Ive worked very hard for success-I get fed up seeing slackers rewarded........
Not sure I agree with you. I am actually very outgoing, sociable, and extrovert. I used to be more reserved when I was younger, but have become more outgoing since I moved to the US, and that is my basic character. I am analytical, but I think things are the reverse of what you suggest. Its the analytical side that is private.
Maharani, I think this might be getting confusing because I'm focusing on one planet instead of the chart as a whole. The extroversion might be related to other areas like Mars as a powerful 5th/10th ruler, or Saturn exalted as the 7th house ruler which would give a lot of strength in the area of relating one on one with others. Mercury is also angular and rules the communicative 3rd house.
But you are saying there is a private, analytical side to your personality and I think that would most likely be the Sun's area since it is in the 8th house of the chart.
Maybe this whole approach that I've been using of saying there are certain qualities that don't necessarily show outwardly is the wrong way to go about this. The impression I've been getting is that there is an emotional quality that gets attached to each planet and that quality comes from its placement in the Moon's chart. So with the Sun it could mean that while in reality it is a private, analytical influence, there would be an emotional quality attached to it that is related to the 3rd house, i.e. excited, motivated, interested, etc. I think what I'm going for here might be getting too abstract, though, to be useful, but let me know if it makes any sense.
But you are saying there is a private, analytical side to your personality and I think that would most likely be the Sun's area since it is in the 8th house of the chart.
Maybe this whole approach that I've been using of saying there are certain qualities that don't necessarily show outwardly is the wrong way to go about this. The impression I've been getting is that there is an emotional quality that gets attached to each planet and that quality comes from its placement in the Moon's chart. So with the Sun it could mean that while in reality it is a private, analytical influence, there would be an emotional quality attached to it that is related to the 3rd house, i.e. excited, motivated, interested, etc. I think what I'm going for here might be getting too abstract, though, to be useful, but let me know if it makes any sense.
Dear Soma9,
Your rationale for analysis of the moon chart seems clear.
RE the moon chart-mine has a gajkesari yoga across the 1-7 axis. I realize a GKY to be strong must be unafflicted etc, and in natal it is along my 6-12 axis, but is it helpful from moon chart and if so how would you say it would manifest itself (if it does manifest)?
Your rationale for analysis of the moon chart seems clear.
RE the moon chart-mine has a gajkesari yoga across the 1-7 axis. I realize a GKY to be strong must be unafflicted etc, and in natal it is along my 6-12 axis, but is it helpful from moon chart and if so how would you say it would manifest itself (if it does manifest)?
Maharani, I think primarily the mental aspects of the GKY would manifest rather than the physical and would point to a virtuous disposition in a general way since Jupiter gains strength by its angular position. But I agree with you that in order for it to give really good results it should probably be nearly unafflicted and in the chart your Jupiter is in a weak sign while Moon conjoins Rahu.
Thanks, btw, for letting me try these ideas out with your chart.
Ann and Anair, thanks for posting your charts, too.
Ann, in your rasi chart, you have Saturn in Leo in the 4th which is in the 7th from the Moon's chart. So this might mean that you come across emotionally as being a mix of both cheerful and upbeat as well as reserved or inhibited. Adding in the Moon's chart, there would be an emotional quality attached to Saturn's functioning of being easygoing, fair-minded and accommodating towards others. Some examples of Saturn's functions can involve things like being objective and carrying out worldly plans and purposes. I apologize, btw, if I'm being too abstract with this but I'm thinking the effects of the Moon's chart might best be read like this since it presumably operates through the emotional mind and might then give effects that are more subtle and intangible than the rashi chart.
Anair, you have exalted Taurus Moon in the 8th house. Mostly what I understand of Moon in the 8th house is that it would show that you are private about your emotions. You would also be comfortable and at home with the 8th house related areas of investigations, analysis and occult or hidden knowledge, including astrology. As 10th ruler exalted in the 8th house, it can give an 8th house related career although there are other influences on the 10th house, as well, such as Mars' aspect and the aspects that Sun-Mercury give to the 10th ruler Moon.
You should have many enjoyments and pleasures in life with Malavya yoga Venus in Libra in the 1st house. You would also be a very strong-willed and courageous person, and have an easy time defeating people who oppose or compete against you since you have Ruchaka yoga of exalted Mars in the 4th house.
Thanks, btw, for letting me try these ideas out with your chart.
Ann and Anair, thanks for posting your charts, too.
Ann, in your rasi chart, you have Saturn in Leo in the 4th which is in the 7th from the Moon's chart. So this might mean that you come across emotionally as being a mix of both cheerful and upbeat as well as reserved or inhibited. Adding in the Moon's chart, there would be an emotional quality attached to Saturn's functioning of being easygoing, fair-minded and accommodating towards others. Some examples of Saturn's functions can involve things like being objective and carrying out worldly plans and purposes. I apologize, btw, if I'm being too abstract with this but I'm thinking the effects of the Moon's chart might best be read like this since it presumably operates through the emotional mind and might then give effects that are more subtle and intangible than the rashi chart.
Anair, you have exalted Taurus Moon in the 8th house. Mostly what I understand of Moon in the 8th house is that it would show that you are private about your emotions. You would also be comfortable and at home with the 8th house related areas of investigations, analysis and occult or hidden knowledge, including astrology. As 10th ruler exalted in the 8th house, it can give an 8th house related career although there are other influences on the 10th house, as well, such as Mars' aspect and the aspects that Sun-Mercury give to the 10th ruler Moon.
You should have many enjoyments and pleasures in life with Malavya yoga Venus in Libra in the 1st house. You would also be a very strong-willed and courageous person, and have an easy time defeating people who oppose or compete against you since you have Ruchaka yoga of exalted Mars in the 4th house.
Hi Ann, objectivity and carrying out plans and purposes in the world is just the idea I have of what Saturn actually shows in a chart. So I'd say, in general, the way you go about being being purposeful in the world is both cheerful and emotional from Leo and the 4th house associating with Saturn. Saturn I think is also related to seeing things from a detached, objective perspective, so those same 4th house Leo qualities would influence your way of seeing things objectively.
This is off topic of the Moon's chart but for your chart in general-
The 1st ruler Venus is in the 12th house, which I think would be the side of you that may tend to be a bit reclusive. The 12th is associated with solitude and having benefics Mercury and Venus there would be very good for enjoying time on your own and may also show that you often prefer to remain behind the scenes. There is a difficult yoga with 12th house Mercury in mutual exchange with Mars in the 5th house, which is an exchange of a benefic kona house with a trik house. This is repeated, too, from the Moon's chart with Mars in the 3rd house in mutual exchange with the 8th house. This would most likely point to troubles with the 5th house but benefits to the 12th house. It's possible that you've found that you need to be careful of getting carried away or losing perpsective in judgment since 5th house rules judgment and 12th house is associated with loss of perspective and tendencies towards excess. It could also show many expenses related to 5th house areas like children, gambling or sports. It might also just show as a tendency to spend a lot of money on having fun since 12th is expense and 5th is about enjoyments. I think it could also give some positive results, too, in that the 5th house is creative and the 12th house is associated with letting go of control so you might be artistic or creative from that. And could also mean that dealings with foreign countries, like living abroad, would be positive for you. With Mars conjunct Ketu in the 5th house you may need to be careful of being too fiery, impulsive or reckless in judgment.
Jupiter, Moon in Aquarius 10th would make you likeable and friendly in public life. They also have the aspect of own ruler Saturn and aspect the 10th ruler Saturn so there should be good results in public life, profession and reputation from that. You'd be comfortable in public and professional realms with Moon in 10th. And ethical and interested in uplifting others from having Jupiter in the 10th house. Jupiter in the 10th house with benefics in the 12th house could show involvements with charities and charitable work.
Saturn's aspect to Jupiter would influence your beliefs and philosophies about life and show that you have a strong sense of responsibility and believe in hard work. While Jupiter's aspect to Saturn could expand your sense of responsibility and purpose, which would essentially amount to the same thing.
Saturn's close aspect to your 1st house Sun and 1st ruler in 12th could indicate troubles with confidence. But Saturn is also a significator of spirituality, and is the 9th ruler, both of which would point to you having a spiritual nature. And while Saturn's aspect harms confidence it should also show that you have integrity and always try to do the right thing.
This is off topic of the Moon's chart but for your chart in general-
The 1st ruler Venus is in the 12th house, which I think would be the side of you that may tend to be a bit reclusive. The 12th is associated with solitude and having benefics Mercury and Venus there would be very good for enjoying time on your own and may also show that you often prefer to remain behind the scenes. There is a difficult yoga with 12th house Mercury in mutual exchange with Mars in the 5th house, which is an exchange of a benefic kona house with a trik house. This is repeated, too, from the Moon's chart with Mars in the 3rd house in mutual exchange with the 8th house. This would most likely point to troubles with the 5th house but benefits to the 12th house. It's possible that you've found that you need to be careful of getting carried away or losing perpsective in judgment since 5th house rules judgment and 12th house is associated with loss of perspective and tendencies towards excess. It could also show many expenses related to 5th house areas like children, gambling or sports. It might also just show as a tendency to spend a lot of money on having fun since 12th is expense and 5th is about enjoyments. I think it could also give some positive results, too, in that the 5th house is creative and the 12th house is associated with letting go of control so you might be artistic or creative from that. And could also mean that dealings with foreign countries, like living abroad, would be positive for you. With Mars conjunct Ketu in the 5th house you may need to be careful of being too fiery, impulsive or reckless in judgment.
Jupiter, Moon in Aquarius 10th would make you likeable and friendly in public life. They also have the aspect of own ruler Saturn and aspect the 10th ruler Saturn so there should be good results in public life, profession and reputation from that. You'd be comfortable in public and professional realms with Moon in 10th. And ethical and interested in uplifting others from having Jupiter in the 10th house. Jupiter in the 10th house with benefics in the 12th house could show involvements with charities and charitable work.
Saturn's aspect to Jupiter would influence your beliefs and philosophies about life and show that you have a strong sense of responsibility and believe in hard work. While Jupiter's aspect to Saturn could expand your sense of responsibility and purpose, which would essentially amount to the same thing.
Saturn's close aspect to your 1st house Sun and 1st ruler in 12th could indicate troubles with confidence. But Saturn is also a significator of spirituality, and is the 9th ruler, both of which would point to you having a spiritual nature. And while Saturn's aspect harms confidence it should also show that you have integrity and always try to do the right thing.
Hi Ann, that's really hard to say about the lottery. I usually think of winning lotteries as an 8th house type area involving unearned income, although that could be the wrong place to look. With that in mind though, the upcoming Rahu transit of your 8th house might not be a bad time to try since Rahu's transits can bring worldly benefits to the 8th house, it would also be in the 11th house of gains from the Moon's chart. Feb 2010 has both Rahu transiting the 8th and Jupiter returning to its natal position as 8th/11th ruler, so that might be an especially good time to try. But the odds of winning are pretty low for everyone no matter what, so I don't mean that like a prediction, just that might you have a little extra luck on your side during those transits.
About 'many expenses related to the 5th', I was basing that on your 5th and 12th in mutual exchange, so I thought expenses could arise from any of the typical 5th house areas. It is notable, though, that you have 2 benefics in the 12th house, which maybe I didn't give enough consideration to. In general, that would indicate expenses on good accounts, as in not spending on bad or unhealthy things, and would also indicate a good ability to hold on to your wealth and not be hit with too many unexpected expenses.
The mutual exchange, or parivartana yoga, between a good house and a trik is called a dainya yoga.
=I have read that Ketu is the same as Mars - is this the reason you say "too fiery".
Yes, that's what I meant. They're both considered hot-tempered or pitta planets and their conjunction usually gives some impulsive, impetuous or fiery traits.
Ketu's dasa is usually oriented towards facing and coming to terms with the past. It is difficult to predict, though, because of its nature, but usually brings some intense experiences and can show an inclination towards spirituality and introspection, probably especially with your chart since its ruler Mercury is in the 12th house.
About 'many expenses related to the 5th', I was basing that on your 5th and 12th in mutual exchange, so I thought expenses could arise from any of the typical 5th house areas. It is notable, though, that you have 2 benefics in the 12th house, which maybe I didn't give enough consideration to. In general, that would indicate expenses on good accounts, as in not spending on bad or unhealthy things, and would also indicate a good ability to hold on to your wealth and not be hit with too many unexpected expenses.
The mutual exchange, or parivartana yoga, between a good house and a trik is called a dainya yoga.
=I have read that Ketu is the same as Mars - is this the reason you say "too fiery".
Yes, that's what I meant. They're both considered hot-tempered or pitta planets and their conjunction usually gives some impulsive, impetuous or fiery traits.
Ketu's dasa is usually oriented towards facing and coming to terms with the past. It is difficult to predict, though, because of its nature, but usually brings some intense experiences and can show an inclination towards spirituality and introspection, probably especially with your chart since its ruler Mercury is in the 12th house.
Hi Bd21121980, your chart strikes me as being very spiritual. You have Ketu in the 1st house near the ascendant, Sun Mars and Mercury in the 12th house and lagna ruler Saturn closely conjunct 12th ruler Jupiter. You also have Jupiter and Mercury in mutual exchange in the houses of higher understanding and moksa/liberation.
Capricorn rising gives a reserved, sincere, purposeful general demeanor. Ketu in the 1st can harm your confidence. It also usually gives an innately otherworldly or spiritual type of nature and can show that you have many sides to your personality. These different sides may come out depending on who you are interacting with since the focus of the chart is more on the 7th house of relating, where Rahu is, than on your own individual perspective, or 1st house, where Ketu is.
Along with the spiritual potentials that they bring, both Ketu on 1st and a strong 12th house can have negative tendencies like escapism, substance abuse, intoxication, extravagance, excesses. I see these issues as all being somewhat connected, however, since these less pleasant assocations share a common theme with spirituality in that they are all geared towards a sense of inward liberation and limitlessness. An escape from the limitations and boundaries of ordinary life.
You have an excellent 5th house with exalted Moon under the aspect of its own benefic ruler Venus and aspected by Jupiter, as well. This should show you are steady and stable in judgment and in your thinking processes. You have good judgment and good common sense. 5th is also related to enjoying yourself, being creative, and having fun in general so these should be positive areas as well. 5th also relates to children and exalted Moon here with good aspects would give good experiences with children, a very special and positive relationship with your own children and would show that your first child in particular would have very special qualities.
With Moon in a trinal house, the themes shown in the Moon's chart are not that different from the rashi chart. Jupiter-Saturn, for example, go from being in the 9th house natally to the 5th house from Moon. Both are dharma houses which can be related to your innate nature and past life credit. 9th is, however, more high-minded and philosophical while 5th is more immediate, personal and based in exercising judgment and enjoying yourself.
Your Sun Mars Mercury are somewhat hidden away in both charts since they are in the 12th from the rashi chart and 8th from the Moon's. Venus is friendly and interaction-oriented from both charts being in the 11th and 7th houses. And Jupiter Saturn are well placed and probably freely expressed in both charts since they are in the 9th and 5th houses.
Capricorn rising gives a reserved, sincere, purposeful general demeanor. Ketu in the 1st can harm your confidence. It also usually gives an innately otherworldly or spiritual type of nature and can show that you have many sides to your personality. These different sides may come out depending on who you are interacting with since the focus of the chart is more on the 7th house of relating, where Rahu is, than on your own individual perspective, or 1st house, where Ketu is.
Along with the spiritual potentials that they bring, both Ketu on 1st and a strong 12th house can have negative tendencies like escapism, substance abuse, intoxication, extravagance, excesses. I see these issues as all being somewhat connected, however, since these less pleasant assocations share a common theme with spirituality in that they are all geared towards a sense of inward liberation and limitlessness. An escape from the limitations and boundaries of ordinary life.
You have an excellent 5th house with exalted Moon under the aspect of its own benefic ruler Venus and aspected by Jupiter, as well. This should show you are steady and stable in judgment and in your thinking processes. You have good judgment and good common sense. 5th is also related to enjoying yourself, being creative, and having fun in general so these should be positive areas as well. 5th also relates to children and exalted Moon here with good aspects would give good experiences with children, a very special and positive relationship with your own children and would show that your first child in particular would have very special qualities.
With Moon in a trinal house, the themes shown in the Moon's chart are not that different from the rashi chart. Jupiter-Saturn, for example, go from being in the 9th house natally to the 5th house from Moon. Both are dharma houses which can be related to your innate nature and past life credit. 9th is, however, more high-minded and philosophical while 5th is more immediate, personal and based in exercising judgment and enjoying yourself.
Your Sun Mars Mercury are somewhat hidden away in both charts since they are in the 12th from the rashi chart and 8th from the Moon's. Venus is friendly and interaction-oriented from both charts being in the 11th and 7th houses. And Jupiter Saturn are well placed and probably freely expressed in both charts since they are in the 9th and 5th houses.
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I like the article in the Diary Archives entitled, The Value of Chandra Lagna, dated December 14, 2005. I especially like the part that reads, "When the ascendant and the ascendant lord do not have many aspects and the Moon has many aspects then the chart will make more sense read from the Moon and it should be weighted more heavily. Generally, however, we should give more weight to the ascendant lagna as it's the mother of all lagnas."
In my rasi chart, both the ascendant and the ascendant lord receive no aspects, save one aspect from Ketu. Reading from the Moon lagna, Venus is exalted in the 10th House, while Mercury (1,4) and Ketu are located in the 9th House. Also from the Moon lagna, Venus rules the 5th and 12th Houses, while Jupiter (7,10) and Saturn (8,9) are located in the 7th House.
During Jupiter MD-Venus AD, I enjoyed my best years in school. During Saturn MD-Venus AD, I was newly married and experienced career success.
During Mercury MD-Venus AD, I encountered Aphrodite incarnate, experienced career success, and at the end of this period began serving in a spiritual community dedicated to the teachings of Yogananda.
Thank you for this brief but very impactful diary archive article!
In my rasi chart, both the ascendant and the ascendant lord receive no aspects, save one aspect from Ketu. Reading from the Moon lagna, Venus is exalted in the 10th House, while Mercury (1,4) and Ketu are located in the 9th House. Also from the Moon lagna, Venus rules the 5th and 12th Houses, while Jupiter (7,10) and Saturn (8,9) are located in the 7th House.
During Jupiter MD-Venus AD, I enjoyed my best years in school. During Saturn MD-Venus AD, I was newly married and experienced career success.
During Mercury MD-Venus AD, I encountered Aphrodite incarnate, experienced career success, and at the end of this period began serving in a spiritual community dedicated to the teachings of Yogananda.
Thank you for this brief but very impactful diary archive article!
