Divorce, remarriage and extramarital affairs

[explorings]

Oh AB, thnks for ur kind wrds. I am a big fan of ur readings and follower of your readings (skipping the 3-pg critics' posts, that follows).

[paro.xiss]

Dear Shilpa Ji,
Saadar Pranaam!!!!
Can you please help me by clearing my doubts posted on Page-4 in this thread?Just click on link given below:-
http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 75#p106015
1)You said Rahu, Ketu & Mars are main agents of Divorce. I have Ketu-Rahu in 1-7 Axis & Mars aspects 7th House. But Rahu is aspected by Jupiter/Mars & is in own Nakshatra[Ardra]. Also Mars is in own House. So are these both beneficial & in fact make the relationship stronger?
2)In Navamsa, there is interchange of 7L[Ma] & 8L[Ju], but both these are benefic???, so is the effect nullified?
3)Does the aspect of Exalted[though Combust & in Planetory War with Venus] Saturn make Ketu {& Moon} malefic? Can Sa aspect 7H through these planets?

As you can see, my doubt is basically regd Malefic/Benefic nature of planets. Will be grateful if you can clear the doubts or point to a thread which throws more light on concept of Malefic/Benefic Planets.

Thanks & Regards.

[karmatrix]

Bhrigu Sutram says it best. in chapter 1 sloka 69 - 74, Sage Bhrigu states,

If the Sun is in the seventh house the marriage of the native will take place late (that is, long after the marriageable age). He will not respect the opposite sex. He will indulge in sexual relations with women other than his wife. He will have more than one wife. In his 25th year he will travel to a place far away from his native land. He will be witty and fond of non-vegetarian food. He will not have fair dealings with his wife. He will be of unstable mind.

BTW - that sloka is applicable only to men. The women in this forum can rest easy. [/color]

@AB,

I had read something similar for male natives with Sun in the lagna (I wish, I could give you the reference). Is that valid, especially if Sun happens to be the 7th lord?

AB:

- Sun and Saturn are in PV... two dire enemies strengthening each other and their resp house. That they happen to be 1 and 7L in PV indicates Raj Yoga, mostly self-earned. Matters related to 7H is doomed due to strengthening two enemy planets both known to have separative characteristics. Saturn and Sun will delay marriage, that it is happening on 1/7 axis indicates strong marital discord.

@Explorings,

I have a Saturn (Aq. LL) & Sun (7L) Parivartana. In fact, we discussed the same last year. Yes marriage is delayed and off late, been even wondering, IF I really wish to get married!

[Shreya]

Shreya:

He seems to be Virgo Lagna. Things will improve after Aug 2012 for natives with Virgo lagna.

You seem to be Aquarius Lagna. L7, Sun is placed inimically in enemy house. Check its status in D9. Guru denotes first husband so check the status and strength of Guru. Similarly, check the status and strength of Venus, karaka of marriage. 9th house transit of Saturn is good, check the strength of your LL, Saturn.

Hi Explorings,
Would you like to ferret things out a bit for me, please?
15/11/1985
12.29pm
Calcutta

[paro.xiss]

Dear Astrologers,

Warm Greetings & Saadar Pranaam!!!

I would like to draw the attention of astrologers esp. Astroboy Ji, Anu Ji, Shipa Ji & others to this interesting case study of marital discord that I came across & made me go wild in an attempt to find a reason & justification for same.
Boy's Details:-16 Dec 1974,Calcutta, 11:32am
Girl's Details:- 06 Nov 1978, Kanchipuram, Tamilnadu,3:15am
Marriage Date 27 Jan 2005
Case History:-
Lot of Incompatibility issues and the couple stayed together for only 2 years.
As condition for reunion, girl's side wants the boy to stay in her parent's house leaving a good job abroad and not have contacts with his family.Boy's side proceeded with divorce filing but girl's side threw a spanner in their plans with counter-cases. I am told during the period of stay together abroad she created problems.[All this is Version from Boy's side, though].

Now coming to charts, I find Ashta-Koota matching is showing 35/36!!!!!
Girl's horoscope has 7L Ju exalted in 11H Cancer aspected only by Ketu, but Ra-Ke in 1-7axis. There is interchange between Moon & Jupiter..
Boy's Horoscope has 7L Sun in 11H[00Sg23] with amazing Shad Bala of 10.1, aspected by Sa & conjunct with Moon & Venus. 7H aspected by Sa, Ju.
But interestingly, both have their Rahu Mahadasha going on.

Can experts on this forum throw some light for us mere mortals as to why this marriage is this kind of mess?

Will be really grateful for analysis.

Thanks & Regards.

[astroboy]

I would like to draw the attention of astrologers esp. Astroboy Ji, Anu Ji, Shipa Ji & others to this interesting case study of marital discord that I came across & made me go wild in an attempt to find a reason & justification for same.
Boy's Details:-16 Dec 1974,Calcutta, 11:32am
Girl's Details:- 06 Nov 1978, Kanchipuram, Tamilnadu,3:15am
Marriage Date 27 Jan 2005

Case History:-
Lot of Incompatibility issues and the couple stayed together for only 2 years.
As condition for reunion, girl's side wants the boy to stay in her parent's house leaving a good job abroad and not have contacts with his family.Boy's side proceeded with divorce filing but girl's side threw a spanner in their plans with counter-cases. I am told during the period of stay together abroad she created problems.[All this is Version from Boy's side, though].

Now coming to charts, I find Ashta-Koota matching is showing 35/36!!!!!
Girl's horoscope has 7L Ju exalted in 11H Cancer aspected only by Ketu, but Ra-Ke in 1-7axis. There is interchange between Moon & Jupiter..
Boy's Horoscope has 7L Sun in 11H[00Sg23] with amazing Shad Bala of 10.1, aspected by Sa & conjunct with Moon & Venus. 7H aspected by Sa, Ju.
But interestingly, both have their Rahu Mahadasha going on.

Yoni Pourtham does not match - marriage not recommended.

now if you know the couple, ask the boy to be nice and wise, - it's for his own good. Let him give her a unconditional divorce A.S.A.P. I say this with astrology in mind - nothing else.

P.S. - The boy is right - the girl is totally in the wrong. - it's not based on your feed back - its pure astrology. - check the girl's horoscope on J hora - check Graha yuddha and Mrityu Bhaga - you will have your answer. The Girl is nothing but trouble.

[paro.xiss]

Dear Astroboy Ji,

Thank you very much for coming to the rescue, as always!!!
Please pardon my ignorance, but I still don't get it.
I was reading your article regarding Mrithyu Bhaga{MB}
https://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/p ... ityu+bhaga
, but you have primarily focussed on Moon's MB, but here Girl's Moon in Sg is nowhere near MB. Ditto for MB of 7L Ju.
Agreed Mars & Merc are in PW & Me falls in MB of Sc, but how does it afflict marriage?
Also I tried most North Indian Guna-Milap Softwares on net & found that Yoni is 3/4[Nakul-Vanar][Uttarashada-1 Vs Purvashada-4], I hope I got Nakul & Vanar Yonis right.

Will be really grateful if you could elaborate a bit further as to why girl is such an evil for the boy[though I personally abhor using any such phrase for a girl].

Thanks & Regards.

[ami26]

Hi Explorings,

Eplorings,
Following is just an example of the many articles I read..
I read most of them on the fly, so dont have links to all of them, but do have the link for the one from LOVA

http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 874#p27262
This analysis was primarily done from UL POV, additionally Shrikanthji also mentioned that check if there are further afflictions to Sun. About the chart in context, 7th house has Mars, Jupiter and Rahu and ascendant Aq Lagna has Moon with Ketu. Her 7th lord is placed in 10 house and thus there is a parivartana between two friendly planets Mars and Sun. 7L Sun receives aspect from his dire enemy Saturn and also from Ketu and Rahu, which are inimical in the chart. However Ju is vargottam and placed in friendly house and aspected by the 7L, Sun. The house is protected by benefic aspect of vargottam Ju. To summarize, delay in marriage is indicated, furthermore, Ra/Ke on 7/1 axis, problems in marital life is also seen. This chart belongs to a member of the on-going thread Club '79. Shrikantji has clearly explained how planets in 7th house work in the second para.

I think this is my chart in context You mentioned that Rahu/Ketu are inimical in the chart. Aren't R/K always inimical especially on the 1/7 axis or is it that they are inimical in my chart because of the signs/conjuctions/naks etc and thus will cause problems in marital life? My marriage is already delayed and I have already started wondering if any point in getting married....

Thanks,
Ami26

[explorings]

Ami26:

Most of the people in Club '79 have this combo. Ra/Ke transit was a difficult one from both Nk as well as Rasi wise. Ra was transiting through his dire enemy Sun's rasi and was in the Nk of Ketu. Furthermore, it was conjunct with another enemy Mars who was happy in friendly sign of Leo and to add to it Sun and Mars were in Parivartan making both these friendly planets even stronger and mutually aspecting each other with conjunct Ra.... how can Ra be happy? Ketu in Aquarius sign and in Nk of Rahu. So there is also a Nk parivartan between Ra and Ke making them stronger. It means in dasha of one of these planets, the other will be automatically activated.

There is no denial of marriage just delay. Spouse will be from culturally different background. Next both dasha periods (Ju-Mar and Ju-Ra) are fav for marriage.

This is a common problem with all girls born in this time period.

[explorings]

Ami:

Another good way, is to check how your Ketu periods were to check the same. I have a similar combination and my Ketu period are usually stressful.

[astroboy]

by paro.xiss » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:12 pm
Dear Astroboy Ji,
Thank you very much for coming to the rescue, as always!!!
Please pardon my ignorance, but I still don't get it.
you have primarily focussed on Moon's MB, but here Girl's Moon in Sg is nowhere near MB. Ditto for MB of 7L Ju.
Agreed Mars & Merc are in PW & Me falls in MB of Sc, but how does it afflict marriage?
Also I tried most North Indian Guna-Milap Softwares on net & found that Yoni is 3/4[Nakul-Vanar][Uttarashada-1 Vs Purvashada-4], I hope I got Nakul & Vanar Yonis right.

Will be really grateful if you could elaborate a bit further as to why girl is such an evil for the boy[though I personally abhor using any such phrase for a girl].

Paro,

The lagna lord is destroyed by the 3rd and the 8th lord Kuja. J hora shows kuja has lost the war, but my Guru is of the opinion that kuja always wins no matter what. even if we discount my Guru's logic and go with J hora, one has to remember that kuja is perfectly capable of mauling a planet to such an extent that the planet will never be able to walk again.

The 8th house shows Longevity of marriage. The 8th lord is with his bitter enemy Budha in a planetary war, alnd also in an M.B. What is the quality of the 8th house lord now?

Paro, whenever you assess a horoscope, first assess the Lagna and the Lagna lord. The lagna is the Microcosm of all the 12th houses, and can give the results of all the 12 houses. Any affliction to it, and the native is doomed. In This case Budha the lagna lord is completely mauled by Kuja. what is the result?

Rahu Dasha - Budha Bukthi is on. Do I need to say more.

As condition for reunion, girl's side wants the boy to stay in her parent's house leaving a good job abroad and not have contacts with his family.Boy's side proceeded with divorce filing but girl's side threw a spanner in their plans with counter-cases. I am told during the period of stay together abroad she created problems

PW.MB.jpg

who is in the 7th house of the Navamsha ?
Lagna has shifted to Meena just 2 minutes earlier - if we take Kumbha to be the lagna Ravi the 7th lord, still gets the aspect of Budha and Kuja.

[paro.xiss]

Dear Astroboy Ji,

Thank you very much for the wonderful & crystal-clear analysis. Astrology is certainly lot richer because of people like you. You have certainly made my day.
I hope others on the forum will make this thread & forum richer by pitching in with lot more divergent case studies.

Thanks Once Again.

Thanks & Regards.

[shilpa]

Hi shilpaji,

My cousin got married before 2 years.All 36 gunas got mached in the horoscope matchmaking and both are manglik.But there is no hormony in their marital life.
I would like to know despite of such a wonderful guna Milan why their marital life is not peaceful.
Will they head for divorce in near future???

Rgds,
Gauri

Dera Gauri20,

1)the chart is on the 1-7 axis of Rahu, Ketu which makes it always difficult for the marriage.

2)Ketu is in his own Nakshtar giving strong analytical skills and spirituality on the postive side, but deep deep detachment( and even contempt) in matters pertaining to spouse in both physical and emptional side of marraige.

3)she was running Ket anatardasa from dec 2010 to Jan 2012...particularly bad period in marriage.

4)Mars is extremely innimical in the house of Me and combust and conjunct with Asc. and aspecting the 7th house of marriage....very difficult placement for sustenace of marriage.

5) Lagna Lord Me inspite of being in swakshetra is fully combust.....and Me as the 7th Lord is combust in Navamsa also in the 6th house.

item-1 and item-4 together are potentially separation causing unless there are mitigations.....let's see if there are mitigations?




6) shani is the protector here:
Shanidev is exalted, and hence very strongly positive in Rasi gazing the the 7th house from it;s natal position...and she is running Shani MD until 2024 and shani in transit is also exalted and also aspecting the 7th house.



7) Venus the marriage karak is in swakshetra in navamsa and conjunction with 7th lord....is another positive influence on marriage,

the Ketu antardasa was really a bad period and she survived separation because shani when involved doesn't allow breakages easily.

The Mars AD from Oct 2017 to Nov 2018 will be an equally severe period but seeing the trend of the Ketu AD....I would say marriage will survive , with friction, tensions, fights but if there is desire to stay on, it will survive becaise of shano-shukra positive influences.

pray on Tuesdays offer oil at the feet of Hanumanji, read Hanuman chalisa daily........and it will be less problematic to live throuhg the married life.

regards

PS* I don't follow matching systems....but on the view of this chart alone, marital problesm were clearly and unambiguously evident as explained above.

[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa Ji,

Warm Greetings & Sadar Pranaam!!!
I am a newbie on the forum & trying to learn astrology.
Articles like these are really enlightening & go a long a way to see astrology in a completely new[systemic & rule-oriented] light. No amount of gratitude would suffice the service you are doing.

I was trying to understand my own chart purely based on Rules that you have laid down.
My details are: 22nd Oct 1982, Dhanbad[23° 47' N, 86° 30' E], 11:11am, Female.
As per Rule1, Divorce agents are Rahu, Ketu & Mars.
My 7H has Rahu[own Nakshatra] aspected by Ju[11H,Libra] & Mars[12H in Scorpio] & Ketu in 1H aspected by Exalted Sa[Saturn is combust & in PW with Venus in 11H,Libra].
Problem is I am still weak at grasping concept of Benefic & Malefic.
1] Though Ma aspects 7H, is it benefic as it's in Scorpio?
2)Is Ra benefic as it's in own Nakshatra & is aspected by Ju & Ma?
3]Ke & Mo in 1H aspected by Sa. Does this make these two malefics? Does Sa aspect 7H thru Ke & Mo?
4)There is exchange of 7H &8H in Navamsa[Ma & Ju], but I think both are benefic.What are it's effects?

I will be really grateful if you can kindly clear my doubt & point to a thread which elucidates what makes a planet benefic & malefic & the concept of aspect.

Thanks & Regards.

P.S.: I have attached Lagna, navamsa & planetary degrees & nakshatras to save your time. Hope it helps.

Dear Paro.xiss,

1)you are on the 1-7 axis of Ket-Rah whihc is generally speaking problematic unless there are mitigating factors

2)Moon is benefic and aspecting the 7th house....and aspected by a very strong shani adding high degree of serious spirituality to the personality.

3)Rahu is in his own nakshtra and very strong .....the spouse will be materialistic and upwardly mobile...while you are spiritual gentle......and the 1-7 axis shows native and spouse being pulled in opposite directions....althouhg neither of them is a Rank malefic for the chart...in fact they are more postive than negative...but meerly acting in diffrent dircetions as per their natural properties.

4)Mars aspects the house of marriage from the 12th but since Mars is in swakshetra he is positive for the chart.

5)the navamsa has Mars in the 7th house of Jup and in exchage yoga with 8th...this is a mildly problematic configurtaion. Venus thr marriage karak is in own house in navamsa and hence strong conjunct with friend shani exlated....making it a very strong second house of home-happiness in Navamsa.


the chart is not an easy one for marriage......especially during the periods and sub periods of Ra-Ket and to some extent Mangal the strength of marriage will be tested.
However neither of the 3 planets are out and out malefic for the chart....hence the marriage doesn;t get to the breaking point ever.

apprropriate Rah-Ketu Poojan and Hanuman chalisa paath regularly will help.

regards

[2002diksha]

sir,
it is said that seventh lord should not be nakshatra of eight lord. for libra ascendants the planet venus is both the lagna lord and eight lord. therefore is mild malefic. but if the lord of seventh house which is mars for libra lagna will fall under the nakshatra of venus which is the eight lord as well the lagna lord then what can be said about the longevity of marraige. surely it is a problematic situation to have . but considering that venus is also the lord of lagna , how would you rate this placemnt for seventh lord.
thanks

[shilpa]

sir,
it is said that seventh lord should not be nakshatra of eight lord. for libra ascendants the planet venus is both the lagna lord and eight lord. therefore is mild malefic. but if the lord of seventh house which is mars for libra lagna will fall under the nakshatra of venus which is the eight lord as well the lagna lord then what can be said about the longevity of marraige. surely it is a problematic situation to have . but considering that venus is also the lord of lagna , how would you rate this placemnt for seventh lord.
thanks

dear diksha,
if you post the chart, we can have a more complete look
thx

[2002diksha]

shilpa ji,
why i am hesitating to post the chart is because the the chart belongs to the girl of very small age. nevertheless i shall post the chart details and request the marraige analysis from your side.only two things trouble me. one the seventh lord being in the nakshatra of eight lord and ketu the planet sitting on the second house is in the nakshatra of mercury which is in MB. this off course it is what i am seeing. you are the final say.kindly look into the chart and say her whether her chart is strong as per marraige.
thanks

[2002diksha]

her birth details are 10 sep 2002,9:10 am,lucknow

[shilpa]

her birth details are 10 sep 2002,9:10 am,lucknow

--7th lord Ma is in friendly house of Leo in the 11th but combust.

--marriage karak venus is the lagna and in his own house...and aspecting the 7th.

--in the navamsa 7th lord Me is in own house, but Navamsa is on 1-7 axis of Ket-Ra. Venus is fiendly placed and aspecting the 7th

except for the Ket-Rahu 1-7 axis in navamsa I don;t see any other problematic areas for marriage and the Axis affects are well mitigated.

regards

[krishnendu12das]

shilpa ji , this was your prediction about me

--7th Lord Mars is strong in the 2nd house of wealth...and conjunct with a benefic Ketu.
shani is exalted and aspecting the house of marraige....in what is a protective and helpful gaze.

--Venus, the mrraige karak... is in the friendly house of sun.

--the 7th lord Mars is in the friendly house of sun in navamsa and aspecting the 4th house.

--Venus is afflicted in navamsa in the house of moon and in a 3-6 exchange with Moon.

--all in all it is a good chart for marriage......the spouse will be welathy, a bit domianting, few frictions...but generally a good and lasting marriage in my read.

marriage could occur anytime after Jun 2012.

Here shouldn't we consider Ke as 7th lord in Navamsa chart because it has traversed greater degrees (ref pg 203 , Vedic Astrology an Integrated approach ) . Then 7th lord in 5th H with exalted Me and being aspected by Ra from 11th H and Sa . Ra also aspecting 7th H .

So does that change the reading a little bit ?

Again from one of your posts , i dont remember the name of post , you have written that "Ra and Ke conjunct any planet behaves like the planet " . In Rasi chart Ke is conjunct Ma and Ma is a malefic for Libra ascendant . So Ke should be malefic and this Ke antardasa did not give me anything good what so ever .

Quoted from "The Rahu Ketu Experience" by P . Trivedi

Ketu in the second also causes some bittemess in family life,
which requires cultivation of patience on the native's part. Some
astrologers say that such a native is usually under the control of
one's life partner, which in my view holds true in the majority of
cases at some point of time in life

Quoted from TEXT BOOK Of SCIENTIFIC HINDU ASTROLOOY by P S Shastri

MOON-VENUS BELATIONS
Mo In Aquarius one has loose morals (S 25.72)' and the aspect of Venus on this Moon intensifies this (B.J' 17.3).

In rasi chart , Mo-Ve in samasaptam , which gives loose morals and strained married life .
7th lord Ma in 8th from 7th H .
7th Lord from Mo in 6th H .
UL lord in 8th from it .
7th lord in Ra-Ke axis .Ra in 8th also shows immorality .

From Raman's Book "How to judge a horoscope part 2" Nature of planet with 12th house or lord indicate how money is spent . Ve with 12 lord indicate loss of money through women of ill-fame, scandal or blackmail and Ve in 11th H is also not a very good thing .

if you see chart - 1 aug 1947 ,11:30 am , kolkata , India
he has Mo-Ve samasaptam , Ve in 11th with 12 lord and he had contact with another woman other than his wife .

In my case , 12 aug 1984 ,11:47am , kolkata , India only good thing is that yogakaraka Sa aspecting 7th H .
But malefic (Ju) with Gk and Md , lord of 3rd and 6th H aspecting 7th H and Ve . Ju mahadasa continues till my 36th yr age . If I marry within that period , marriage can not be happy in any way , what do you think ?

Favourable periods are Ju-Ve(9/5 in rasi but 2/12 in navamsa ) and Ju-Ma (2/12 in rasi ) .

[ami26]

Ami26:

Most of the people in Club '79 have this combo. Ra/Ke transit was a difficult one from both Nk as well as Rasi wise. Ra was transiting through his dire enemy Sun's rasi and was in the Nk of Ketu. Furthermore, it was conjunct with another enemy Mars who was happy in friendly sign of Leo and to add to it Sun and Mars were in Parivartan making both these friendly planets even stronger and mutually aspecting each other with conjunct Ra.... how can Ra be happy? Ketu in Aquarius sign and in Nk of Rahu. So there is also a Nk parivartan between Ra and Ke making them stronger. It means in dasha of one of these planets, the other will be automatically activated.

There is no denial of marriage just delay. Spouse will be from culturally different background. Next both dasha periods (Ju-Mar and Ju-Ra) are fav for marriage.

This is a common problem with all girls born in this time period.

Explorings,

Thanks for the explanation! When you say 'culturally different background', could it imply foreigner? This must be the Rahu influence?

Ami:
Another good way, is to check how your Ketu periods were to check the same. I have a similar combination and my Ketu period are usually stressful.

I was born in Mars-Ketu, don't really remember Rahu-Ketu (around 1992-93) but Jupiter-Ketu in 2007 wasn't bad at all . As for Rahu, for the most part, Rahu MD wasn't bad.

Thanks again,
Ami26

[2002diksha]

thanks shilpa ji for looking into the chart

[explorings]

Ami: Yes the foreign aspect is because of Rahu.

[SuryaLagna]

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[shilpa]

Dear Shilpa Ji and others
Can you pl analyse the following two charts of husband and wife for Chances of extramarital affairs:
Boy: 13/09/82, 10:32am, Pauri Garhwal
Girl: 08/04/80, 17:20pm, Dehradun

Thanks; waiting for your response!

from the boy's chart.....an extramarital affair does appear like a possibility
regarfs