Hi there, how would you interpret a chart differently between the Ascendant and the Moon lagna? For example, if someone is an Aries rising with Venus in the 10th in Capricorn. How would that be different than someone whose moon was in Aries and Venus was in the 10th in Capricorn? I know the Ascendant is supposed to be the body and the moon the mind but I am confused.
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Difference between Ascendant and Moon Lagna, Generally
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Hi
It is more or less considering DEHI and DEHA.
Both put together is the individual.
No way moon is less important from the Lagna.
You have to read the chart from both and logically come to a conclusion before predicting .
It is more or less considering DEHI and DEHA.
Both put together is the individual.
No way moon is less important from the Lagna.
You have to read the chart from both and logically come to a conclusion before predicting .
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hi
these are sanskrit words.
true translation is difficult.
But you can treat DEHI as the Soul and DEHA as your Body
these are sanskrit words.
true translation is difficult.
But you can treat DEHI as the Soul and DEHA as your Body
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Dear Manimal,
Ascendent gets top priority than Moon because moon stays in a sign for 2.5 days, whereas lagna changes every 1.5-2 hours. In the example you have quoted,considered from moon ,if venus in 10th house from aries, it will be the same for all the persons in 2.5 days time frame, whereas from lagna this position in 10th would change in hours.
It is for this reason that all divisional charts are calculated from ascendent position and not from moon.
If you take many example charts, you will come to know this yourself.
Ofcourse final picture emerges from Moon lagna and Dasa lagna (Now this is more important!)
Ascendent gets top priority than Moon because moon stays in a sign for 2.5 days, whereas lagna changes every 1.5-2 hours. In the example you have quoted,considered from moon ,if venus in 10th house from aries, it will be the same for all the persons in 2.5 days time frame, whereas from lagna this position in 10th would change in hours.
It is for this reason that all divisional charts are calculated from ascendent position and not from moon.
If you take many example charts, you will come to know this yourself.
Ofcourse final picture emerges from Moon lagna and Dasa lagna (Now this is more important!)
Thanks for both replies. It is interesting how subramanianp feels the moon is more important and krishnagopal feels ascendant is more priority. When I do more charts myself I will be able to tell.
subramianp, so is "Dehi" the same as "Atma"?
And again, so what would the difference between if I had venus in my tenth from ascendant instead of venus in tenth from moon, all factors being the same considered.
subramianp, so is "Dehi" the same as "Atma"?
And again, so what would the difference between if I had venus in my tenth from ascendant instead of venus in tenth from moon, all factors being the same considered.
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Thanks too manimal. Just try this chart, Famous personality, Amitab Bachchan. In his Saturn dasa only, he became famous. Now saturn is in 4th house from lagna and 8th house from moon. Pl. deduce the answer yourself.
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Hi manimal42
I didnt say that Moon is more important.
If lagna is weak then Moon takes presidence.
Chapter 12 sloka3 of BPHS says. There will not be bodily health, if Lagna, or Moon be aspected by, or conjunct with a malefic, being devoid of a benefics Aspect.
From this you can understand Moon is no way less important to Lagna.
manimal42 wrote: It is interesting how subramanianp feels the moon is more important and krishnagopal feels ascendant is more priority
I didnt say that Moon is more important.
If lagna is weak then Moon takes presidence.
Chapter 12 sloka3 of BPHS says. There will not be bodily health, if Lagna, or Moon be aspected by, or conjunct with a malefic, being devoid of a benefics Aspect.
From this you can understand Moon is no way less important to Lagna.
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Dear krishnagopal1968krishnagopal1968 wrote:Thanks too manimal. Just try this chart, Famous personality, Amitab Bachchan. In his Saturn dasa only, he became famous. Now saturn is in 4th house from lagna and 8th house from moon. Pl. deduce the answer yourself.
please permit me to add somthing on this chart.
From lagna the lagna lord of Mr Bachan is in a Kendra.Same chart If from Moon its rasi lord Venus is in the 12th.
Further please see the BHAVA Bala You can see Lagna is having more strength than the Moon occupied Bhava (ie:the 9th).
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Dear subramaniyanp,
My point was more towards Saturn's dasa and testing the classic's results thro example charts.
I have read in a book " Divisional charts" by Mr Goyal that in 1hour time approximately 350 births take place!
All cannot have the same fate.
Moon's position is vital too as it indicates mind and subtle health.
My point was more towards Saturn's dasa and testing the classic's results thro example charts.
I have read in a book " Divisional charts" by Mr Goyal that in 1hour time approximately 350 births take place!
All cannot have the same fate.
Moon's position is vital too as it indicates mind and subtle health.
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Dear krishnagopal1968krishnagopal1968 wrote:Dear subramaniyanp,
My point was more towards Saturn's dasa and testing the classic's results thro example charts.
I have read in a book " Divisional charts" by Mr Goyal that in 1hour time approximately 350 births take place!
All cannot have the same fate.
Moon's position is vital too as it indicates mind and subtle health.
I was trying to explain why Results from Lagna is predominant over results from Moon.
Nothing else.
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Please give your Date OB , Time OB and Place OB.
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Respected Subranianp ji...
What could be the effect if the lagna and the moon are in 6/8 axis... in that case which lagna to be preferred and in my case which lagna is stronger & important to consider... In SAV chart my moon lagna has got only 18 points... does it indicate any health issues in future... I shall be obliged if you could shed some light on this note as per my chart...
DOB: 23-4-1971, 3pm, Chittoor, Andhra Pradesh
Thanks in Advance...
Sekharn...
What could be the effect if the lagna and the moon are in 6/8 axis... in that case which lagna to be preferred and in my case which lagna is stronger & important to consider... In SAV chart my moon lagna has got only 18 points... does it indicate any health issues in future... I shall be obliged if you could shed some light on this note as per my chart...
DOB: 23-4-1971, 3pm, Chittoor, Andhra Pradesh
Thanks in Advance...
Sekharn...
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Dear sekharn
It is like this.
Your Lagna lord Sun is in perfect UCHA (9 to 10 degree in Mesh )and also have a shubha rasi amsakam.
Moon is with Venus (Venus is the 8th lord from Moon ).
Your laga is more strong than the Moon .
Your chart is going to operate from laga .
It is like this.
Your Lagna lord Sun is in perfect UCHA (9 to 10 degree in Mesh )and also have a shubha rasi amsakam.
Moon is with Venus (Venus is the 8th lord from Moon ).
Your laga is more strong than the Moon .
Your chart is going to operate from laga .
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Mr. Subramanian,
27-Nov-1975, 8:43 AM , Lucknow
Both from Lagna and Moon the lord of lagna is in kenda in 4H.
From Asc. Jupiter is in Pisces on own rashi.
From Moon the the lord is Sun in 4H again with Me a first rate dhanakarka and in sign if friend Mars.
Bhava bala of Asc and place where Moon is placed is very close. But Jupiter being in own sign wins.
So my take would be Asc is driving the chart.
What do you think?
27-Nov-1975, 8:43 AM , Lucknow
Both from Lagna and Moon the lord of lagna is in kenda in 4H.
From Asc. Jupiter is in Pisces on own rashi.
From Moon the the lord is Sun in 4H again with Me a first rate dhanakarka and in sign if friend Mars.
Bhava bala of Asc and place where Moon is placed is very close. But Jupiter being in own sign wins.
So my take would be Asc is driving the chart.
What do you think?
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Dear Ghrishneswar
You are correct.Lagna is more strong than the Moon.
1. Lagna lord Jup is in own Rasi.But Moon rasi lord Sun is having an ISHTA PHALA of 9.5 only and just emerged out of its Neecha rasi(ie: TULA ).
2.Lagna is aspected by the 5th lord Mars who is in vargothama also. (full aspect)
3.5th lord from Moon is in a dusthana (the 8th).
Overall lagna get more weight.
You are correct.Lagna is more strong than the Moon.
1. Lagna lord Jup is in own Rasi.But Moon rasi lord Sun is having an ISHTA PHALA of 9.5 only and just emerged out of its Neecha rasi(ie: TULA ).
2.Lagna is aspected by the 5th lord Mars who is in vargothama also. (full aspect)
3.5th lord from Moon is in a dusthana (the 8th).
Overall lagna get more weight.
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Dear Manimal,manimal42 wrote:Hi there, how would you interpret a chart differently between the Ascendant and the Moon lagna? For example, if someone is an Aries rising with Venus in the 10th in Capricorn. How would that be different than someone whose moon was in Aries and Venus was in the 10th in Capricorn? I know the Ascendant is supposed to be the body and the moon the mind but I am confused.
Thank you!
Primarily ascendant is "the lagna"
Moon is one of the many "special lagnas"....used for secondary or special analysis.
Where would you use chandra lagna analysis ?
1) in general daily / weekly rashi predictions.....that you see in news papers.....making forecast rather generic about a groupbof people.
2) secondary analysis when asendant does not corelate very well with known facts........such as in case of exremely emotional /psychic personalities.
3) transit analysis to determine the emotional/spiritual impact of planet moving through the zodiac.
4) D60 analysis when Moon is the primary lagna staying in a Rasi for about an hour.
5) Analysing emotional / happiness side of a person.......or mother's chart....although with Jhora......D charts are more accurate for such analysis these days.
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Dear Patriot
Ashtavarga is useful while analyzing CHARA BHALA (Transit result forecast).
Ashtavarga is useful while analyzing CHARA BHALA (Transit result forecast).
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