Dear Astroyboy - please help.

[jasonb0709]

Dear Astroyboy,

Could you please help me out ? I know you have Saturn in 5th house, but that is in Taurus. Much better than mine. I have Saturn in 5th and debilitated. Having a very tough life. I completed Saturn antardasa in Saturn mahadasa (went through all kinds of losses: job-loss, divorce, property loss, relocation, health-issues ... life is pretty much destroyed). Mercury-sub period started on Dec 4th but I'm seeing no improvement. I have been doing meditation and yoga for about 3 years regularly, - not seeing any improvement. What is this Saturn up to? What is he trying to teach me? I'm already spiritual, doing volunteering when I can. I totally lost desire for living. I live a lonely miserable life. Is he trying to permanently destroy me? I feel like I've been in this dark-night forever. I thought Saturn moving to Libra in November would offer some help. But no change in my outlook.

Best regards,
Jason

[astroboy]

Jason, There is a saying, ""identifying the source of trouble is 75 Pct the remedy"". Are you ready for the truth? Do you want me to be blunt or do you want me to sugar coat my analysis? The latter is a difficult task for me. But if you can stomach the harsh truth I will analyse your horoscope. I will do this after the 12th of December since I am out of town. Is that ok with you ?
Best regards,

[jasonb0709]

Dear Astroboy,

Thanks for the reply and your willingness to analyse. You can present your analysis as is. I can handle it. Did you mean January 12th?

Best regards,
Jason

[astroboy]

Jan 12th is what I mean Jason. Please give me time. I will give you my analysis.

[jasonb0709]

Thank you!

[astroboy]

Good day Jason,

let's begin with Shani. Why I want to start from Shani is because he is the Key to any chart. He is a very valuable player in every case, but for this chart he is worth examining first because he aspects the 7th being debilitated. That one aspect can finish a man's life.

Contrary to some other esteemed astrologers opinions, Shani is perfectly capable of breaking a marriage. The 5 seperative planets are Ketu, Kuja, Shani, Ravi and Rahu in that order. Shani can bring about a very bitter taste after marriage. He is not to be underestimated at all. Not only is marriage delayed {by which time a person is already set in his/ her ways} once marriage takes place, it becomes difficult to blend and mend these set ways. This is the first nail in the coffin. This is why previous generations thought it fit that marriage should occur at the earliest.

Shani is perfectly capable of breaking marriage because he has a intense dislike for it himself. He always likes to be left alone. Unless the 7th house is exceptionally strong, say, by being exalted, or Retrograde, or being exalted, Retrograde and placed in a good house {making him exceptionally strong}, Shani can easily break a marriage like you can break a twig with you bare hands.

In your case, shani's Neecha Bhanga is nothing to write home about. other than Kuja the Rashi lord of Shani being in a kendra in the lagna, there is no other Bhanga to speak of. The other point is that Shani is placed in the Nakshatra of Venus, his exaltation lord. This has given him some strength, but Shukra is a Malefic for this lagna. He is against the lagna lord, and is also the 6th lord. What can you expect from Shani?

So who is the villian of the story ?

A weak 7th lord who is debilitated in the Navamsha
Kuja in a extreme Mrityu Bhaga degree and aspecting both the 7th and the 8th lord
Kuja in Moola Nakshatra

Net result = pain from marriage, pain from children

money wise I dont think its that bad. the 2nd lord in the 5th house aspecting the 11th, and being in the 11th lord's nakshatra is a great combination. What has taken the sheen off it is this great placement is Shani's debilitation. You can assess this yourself.

Why is life a general struggle without any mental peace? The answer lies in the placement of the Lagna lord. The lagna lord is in the Nakshatra of Shani, sealing Guru's fate. The parivarthtana yoga between Guru and Kuja is good because Kuja is also the 5th lord appart from being the 12th. Guru is the lagna lord and the 5th lord. A parivarthana between the 4th and the 5th lords in the lagna is to die for. Its excellent. That is why you are still alive and kicking. If not for this combination, you would have been nowhere today.

You might be spritually inclined because of the lagna lord being in the 12th.

There is a good Darma Karmadipathi yoga in the 3rd house aspecting the 9th. But the sheen if off this yoga because the yoga occurs in a Upachaya house.

From The Moon lagna, the 9th and 10th lord debilitated in the 12th is bad. However Shani being in the chandra lagna lord's Nakshatra will keep career and money flowing in.

All combinations indicate stay and travel abroad. Lagna lord in the 12th, 9th lord in the 3rd, 12th in the lagna, indictes stay abroad.

excellent Vipareeta Yoga in the horoscope. Chandra the 8th is exalted in the 6th aspecting the Lagna lord from the 12th. See for your self how it has worked.

Why the Mental strain ? Chandra is in Mrigashira Nakshatra. Kuja is the 12th lord in a Mrityu Bhaga. Chandra is in between Shani and Ketu. Gone case . Saving grace is Guru's aspect on him and chandra's exaltation. Had it not been for Guru aspect and Chandra's exaltation, you would have been taking a crash course in learning how to tie a knot on one end and a noose at the other.

Best regards,

[vidhyanine]

AB,

Excellent Analysis as always. People just need to have the appetite to digest your analysis

Vidhya

P.S. Hope you're New Year is going better thus far.

[jasonb0709]

Hi Astroboy!

Thanks so much for analyzing the chart! Appreciate your help and valuable insights! I have a few points here:

> In your case, shani's Neecha Bhanga is nothing to write home about. other than Kuja the Rashi lord of Shani being in a kendra in the lagna, there is no other Bhanga to speak of.

I understand that there is another? The sign where a planet gets exalted, Sun, is in 10th house from Moon. Yes/No? I'm also looking at the analysis you made in case of Catherine Zeta Jones. Interestingly, she has a debilitated Saturn in 5th and Mars in Ascendant (So also President Regan has got same configuration. Mars in Asc and Sat in 5th-debilitated). I don't know how to calculate Chesta Rashmis. She doesn't have any other forms of cancellations either. (But she did very well in Saturn Maha dasa, I believe. Granted her Mercury is SUPER!) http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/ph ... 14#p102514


> Shani is perfectly capable of breaking marriage because he has a intense dislike for it himself. He always likes to be left alone.

Glad you said that. After years of hard work on self-improvement projects, I ended up in self-love and forgiveness - an ongoing work. I guess this self-love is an antidote for this Saturn?

> From The Moon lagna, the 9th and 10th lord debilitated in the 12th is bad.
Interesting! I read in some book that this is a Raja Yoga! Odd.

> The other point is that Shani is placed in the Nakshatra of Venus, his exaltation lord. This has given him some strength, but Shukra is a Malefic for this lagna. He is against the lagna lord, and is also the 6th lord. What can you expect from Shani?

Well, I agree that by definition for Sagittarius Ascendant, Venus is a first rate malefic. However, when I look back in my life, I have done exceedingly well in Venus period (all ADs). I got a rank of about 1700 in IIT-JEE during Venus AD. Up until then I was nobody. I didn't go to IIT since I was keen on Computer Sc. Joined State univ. I was top in my class during Venus and also Sun AD. Moon-AD destroyed everything. (This is all in Rahu-MD). During Mars-AD, I managed to comeback.

Another data-point: In Jupiter-Venus-AD, I bought a beautiful brand new house in US and lived there w/ my Ex. (Ex-wife was not working at that time). Did well in career too. Life was good. (Then of course everything fell apart in Rahu-AD).

So, how do you explain this? Oddly, looking back, Venus gave me a major boost in life. What he gave me was not superficial, it was based on diligent hard-work.

> excellent Vipareeta Yoga in the horoscope. Chandra the 8th is exalted in the 6th aspecting the Lagna lord from the 12th. See for your self how it has worked.

Is that something that happens during Moon period or something characteristic of the chart? Honestly, I never received anything from anybody. I'm self-made. No inheritance or whatever. No unexpected gains. My ex-wife also had Vipareeta Raja Yoga. Divorce occurred in her 8th lord-period. (8th lord in 12th, but not exalted). Bummer, she got everything. She cleaned me out, financially speaking. So, No. I have not seen anything from this Yoga. I'm now in the process of rebuilding myself, from scratch.

I have no regrets for the past. I made peace w/ my losses. But the question is, is there a 2nd marriage? If so, when? {I can try my best (have been), but this is not in my hand. It has to be luck/grace}. Could you please answer this?

Thanks a lot!!!

Best regards,
Jason

[vnt5007]

Hi astroboy ,
Can u please analyse my chart. I like your insights in astrology very much.
dob: 27 april, 1976
tob: 10:09 PM(night)
pob: Charkhari, Mahoba district, Uttar Pradesh, India
Thanks in advance

[Sunds]

Hi Jason,
Thought I will just butt in...Let me tell you my sympathies are totally with you....You have Saturn in fifth in Aires and I have Saturn in Tenth in Aires....We are unfortunate as to to have the Saturn Maha Dasa during the peak of our careers....You are 71 born and I am 68 born....Saturn gave me a divorce too and lot of shame and misery too....Even my career is as good as finished and I am totally lost now.....I still have eight years of dasa left....I see that yout Venus is exalted in navamsa...So that might explain why venus periods have been good for you.....Also if you feel you are getting Neecha Bhanga for Saturn, you be rest assured that Saturn will first give you Neecha effect then the Bhanga then the Rajyog <if at all>...The problem about Saturn dasa is that Saturn carries a very eerie reputation and also the dasa is quite long....Hence it is very scary...You have saturn direct and I have debilitated and retrograde....Lucky for me that I had no children so I could eventually digest the separation...I do not know about you...We have to take it that everything is for the good only and that any trouble is just washing away our old karmas.See that you do not lose hope in life.

Regards,
Sunder.

[astroboy]

> In your case, shani's Neecha Bhanga is nothing to write home about. other than Kuja the Rashi lord of Shani being in a kendra in the lagna, there is no other Bhanga to speak of.

I understand that there is another? The sign where a planet gets exalted, Sun, is in 10th house from Moon. Yes/No? I'm also looking at the analysis you made in case of Catherine Zeta Jones. Interestingly, she has a debilitated Saturn in 5th and Mars in Ascendant (So also President Regan has got same configuration. Mars in Asc and Sat in 5th-debilitated). I don't know how to calculate Chesta Rashmis. She doesn't have any other forms of cancellations either. (But she did very well in Saturn Maha dasa, I believe. Granted her Mercury is SUPER!) viewtopic.php?f=42&t=12845&p=102514#p102514

Yes you are correct, but that is not a direct supporting Neecha Bhanga. The whole point is that Shani is not in a Kendra from the lagna or the Moon. As far as Zeta is concerned, you cannot compare her Shani to Yours. Her Shani is Retrograde and strong.

> Shani is perfectly capable of breaking marriage because he has a intense dislike for it himself. He always likes to be left alone.

Glad you said that. After years of hard work on self-improvement projects, I ended up in self-love and forgiveness - an ongoing work. I guess this self-love is an antidote for this Saturn?

Not wanting anything is the antidote for Saturn. No expections = no troubles.

> From The Moon lagna, the 9th and 10th lord debilitated in the 12th is bad.
Interesting! I read in some book that this is a Raja Yoga! Odd.

I did not know that. Can you please help me by quoting a textual reference for the same. I would be grateful to you. Thanks in advance.

> The other point is that Shani is placed in the Nakshatra of Venus, his exaltation lord. This has given him some strength, but Shukra is a Malefic for this lagna. He is against the lagna lord, and is also the 6th lord. What can you expect from Shani?

Well, I agree that by definition for Sagittarius Ascendant, Venus is a first rate malefic. However, when I look back in my life, I have done exceedingly well in Venus period (all ADs). I got a rank of about 1700 in IIT-JEE during Venus AD. Up until then I was nobody. I didn't go to IIT since I was keen on Computer Sc. Joined State univ. I was top in my class during Venus and also Sun AD. Moon-AD destroyed everything. (This is all in Rahu-MD). During Mars-AD, I managed to comeback.
Another data-point: In Jupiter-Venus-AD, I bought a beautiful brand new house in US and lived there w/ my Ex. (Ex-wife was not working at that time). Did well in career too. Life was good. (Then of course everything fell apart in Rahu-AD).So, how do you explain this? Oddly, looking back, Venus gave me a major boost in life. What he gave me was not superficial, it was based on diligent hard-work.

You answered your own question. Dhanu lagna is special because Shukra gets the lord ship of two Upachaya houses. Shukra is a Malefic for Dhanu because he is a enemy of the Lagna lord. But most importantly he is labeled a malefic because he owns two upachaya houses. The Upachaya houses {The houses of development} were labeled as malefic by the sages because they induced one towards a material life. This rule is not applicable to Kali yuga. You said it yourself ""So, how do you explain this? Oddly, looking back, Venus gave me a major boost in life. What he gave me was not superficial, it was based on diligent hard-work""
But the question here is not about development. It is about Shukra being able to provide a Neecha Bhanga to Shani. The answer is that he cant because Shukra does not own any Kendras or Trikonas, and neither is he in a Kendra or Trikona. Shukra is good for you because he is exalted in the Navamsha. But is he good for Shani's Neecha Bhanga ? No.

[astroboy]

> excellent Vipareeta Yoga in the horoscope. Chandra the 8th is exalted in the 6th aspecting the Lagna lord from the 12th. See for your self how it has worked.

Is that something that happens during Moon period or something characteristic of the chart? Honestly, I never received anything from anybody. I'm self-made. No inheritance or whatever. No unexpected gains. My ex-wife also had Vipareeta Raja Yoga. Divorce occurred in her 8th lord-period. (8th lord in 12th, but not exalted). Bummer, she got everything. She cleaned me out, financially speaking. So, No. I have not seen anything from this Yoga. I'm now in the process of rebuilding myself, from scratch.

I have not seen your wife's chart, but I can say that the Vipareeta Raja Yoga has worked for her. she cleaned you out. She made a whole lot of money out of misery. You will have to just wait your turn to clean someone out

I have no regrets for the past. I made peace w/ my losses. But the question is, is there a 2nd marriage? If so, when? {I can try my best (have been), but this is not in my hand. It has to be luck/grace}. Could you please answer this?

Budha AD, Ketu AD, and Shukra AD can give marriage. I am questioning your effort in that direction. I think you need to redefine how you are going to get yourself a woman.

[Lilly]

My concerns are similar to the original poster's Astroboy. By chance will you provide a similar analysis for me? You said you'd put me in the queue a few months back, perhaps you might fit me in now?

Lilly
12/16/59
4:10 am
Oakland, California

[jasonb0709]

Hi Sunder,

Thank you so much for sharing your experience and offering sympathies. I commend you and honor you for enduring this Saturn. This Saturn has taken joy out of living for me. It feels like I'm in a prison. What a waste of life? Sad. My best wishes to you too. - Jason

[jasonb0709]

The reference for 9th & 10th lord being in 12th constituting RY is something I read in Sanjay Rath's article, I believe. If I come across it again, I'll let you know.

Did you ever read Bhavarta Ratnakara? What do you think of this rule:

"For a person born with Sagittarius lagna, Saturn produces good results and confers Yoga in his dasha if he is in the 5th house."

Here is the article on this website:
http://lightonvedicastrology.com/dailyj ... 020807.htm

Comments?

Thanks!

[astroboy]

Good day Jason,

thanks for bringing my attention to that interesting and well written article. I cannot comment on the sloka as of now because I have not applied it to any chart. As far as you are concerned, I think you are the best judge to quantify if the sloka works in your case or not, specially now that Shani dasha is on.

Best regards,

[astroboy]

Dear lilly, Give me a few days and I shall certainly get back to you with a analysis. I promise.

[Lilly]

Astroboy,

Thank you so much! I'll look forward to it ... it will be the perfect start to the new year!

Lilly

[jasonb0709]

Bhavarta Ratnakara is bogus. I'm afraid there is no cancellation of debilitation. It's clear. Mercury-AD is getting even worse than Saturn-Saturn-AD. I'm heading for a trip to Nepal to find some peace. - Jason.

[astroboy]

My dear Jason, I understand that you are really upset at this point of time. But that does not mean that you should take out your frustration out on the astrological texts. I am saying this to you as a friend, please do not discount a classical text and more importantly - do not call them Bogus.

The classical texts are the building blocks for all astrologers. You question the authenticity of one text, or one sloka, and the whole building will start to shake. We are nobody to discount any sloka in any classical text.

The classical texts never bother to make clear unambiguous statements. It assumes that these slokas will be studied and interpreted under a guru's guidance. It’s a dangerious trend that has set in today where in everyone in the name of research, examines 10, 50 or 100 horoscopes and then declares that the sloka ""does not work"".

What is the sample size and what is the population size? Not every sloka will work every time, on all people, but be rest assured, a sloka will surely work some of the time on some of the people.

Take the sloka and examine it with a open mind, "For a person born with Sagittarius lagna, Saturn produces good results and confers Yoga in his dasha if he is in the 5th house."

The logic of the sloka is this; we know that a connection between the 2nd and the 5th lord is good for wealth. All other factors being equal, if Shani gets a Neecha Bhanga of considerable strength, then we have an amazing combination on hand. Shani the 2nd lord is in the 5th aspecting the 11th house. What more can you ask for? And the cherry on the Top - Shani aspects his own house, the 2nd house of accumulated wealth.

Best regards,

[wsb]

I am no astrologer but AB's analysis is very well writtten and a learning experiance for us ameteurs. Thank you.

[Lilly]

Astroboy,

When you're able to look at my chart, I'd like your analysis about my professional status, my financial woes, and your insight about when, if ever, conditions will improve.

In 2008, life began changing substantially for me, I was compelled to make a significant change with my career; I took steps regarding my marriage and other decisions. Today reflecting on these decisions I made then, I wonder what possessed me and fear I've destroyed my future. I wonder if I had just left things as they were, wouldn't be experiencing such hardship. I had thought that with Saturn transiting my lagna, and Jupiter's recent movement, that the prognosis would mean improvements for me financially, and with my career, etc.

Your analysis of any bright spots, and what/when to expect any is appreciated.
Lilly

[astroboy]

Dear lilly, good day to you,

Can you please provide me with some feed back ? I am curious to know what decisions you took between July 2011 - to date. I will give you a astrological explaination as to why you faultered in 2008 and why things have been slipping since 2002.

Best regards,

[mona.d]

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[astroboy]

Good day Mona,

can you give me the place of birth please.

best regards,