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Re: past life house

Post by Dev » 18 Nov 2019

It is easy to say but difficult to practise.
Say you are not married/ divorced just after marriage may be because you had done something wrong to your wife in earlier janma.
You cant visualise that if you are very decent and respectful towards ladies in this janma. How can you connect yourself to past when you were indecent to your decent present now. How this transition occurred?

You love your parents very much but lose them early in life, may be you did harm them in previous birth but how can you imagine that state when you are so fond of them now and very much miss them and feel a sense of vacuum in your life.

So you will only be cribbing all the time to imagine what you would have done.
It is not easy to imagine what you are not now.
Can a man imagine the labour pain of his wife? He only knows it involves severe pain.



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Re: past life house

Post by iladevi19 » 20 Nov 2019

To face the prospect of loosing parents in this life one need not necessarily could have done some harm to this set of parents in past life , One is punished if one had done injustice of giving that loss to some other person . When King Dasharadha by mistake killed Sravan kumar he was cursed by the parents of Shravan kumar that he would face agony and grief of loss of child and would die with that grief . Here the point is that any pain given to any one would be punished in same terms.Similarly if one harmed any woman would face the the curse in another birth. LIFE is not a culmination of one birth , A soul takes millions of births and the result of any karma of any birth whether good or bad had to be faced by the soul . In this birth he or she could be a very nice and gentle soul but what about the actions and deeds of other births .

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Post by iladevi19 » 20 Nov 2019

The same person need not come but the same karma visits .

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Post by Dev » 20 Nov 2019

What I mean is I am also saying the same thing, I only said, it is difficult to imagine that you were so in the past, say exactly opposite.
You may be very rich helping everyone financially and physically as a doctor but could have diabetis and unable to eat any sweet while you may even be doing donations.
In that case, it is hard to imagine you did so in one of the past life since it is the same atma but the connection seems missing according to you.

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Post by iladevi19 » 20 Nov 2019

The very fact that a doctor who gives donations and helps all can not eat sweets shows that he misused his stomach with over eating and never had given any food to any person dying in hunger . A person who indulges in acidic talk and always hurts others with his words becomes dumb in another birth . That is as simple as such . DIVINE justice is very impartial and no amount of bribing , begging , pleading ,and threatening can alter the karmic punishment . The soul changes behaviour with some lesson in each birth . A soul takes millions of births and commits many mistakes and learns from the mistakes . In this process of births and deaths and rectification of mistakes , the soul becomes purer and purer and one fine day gets mukthi ---- a release from the cycle of births and deaths .People who do highest punya karmas go to heaven and stay there for thousands of years to enjoy the fruits of their virtues . After that karma is over they have to come back again to terrestrial planes and start life afresh . Terrestrial planes are subject to panchabhowthic laws and maya engulfs them which makes them to commit mistakes . Thus life is eternal and souls goes on making the endless rounds . Only AN ENLIGHTENED soul gets release from maya and cycle of births and deaths which is one in trillions and trillions . This is the essence of whole creation . That's why it is called the divine play .

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Re: past life house

Post by Dev » 21 Nov 2019

I agree but what I mean is when suddenly a stingy person in the past becomes a spendthrift. The change is not gradual, it is all of a sudden. So it is difficult for him to imagine that he was a miser though the soul may be the same, but the continuity is not evident to him. If there is a gradual transformation from 10 % philosophical person to 15, 20, 25 and so on in the future births, it is slow. But if an atheist dies and suddenly becomes a priest at a temple, it could be difficult for him to imagine that he was an atheist. If there was an intermittant place between his death and next birth, where he was made to realise his sins, then that is a different story. Only in that way, such mechanism could be explained.

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Re: past life house

Post by lefteye » 21 Nov 2019

In general it is difficult to get a list of sinners in atheist branded people. But the list will be a long one in case of theists and people who are believers. Denial of God by a non believer is a curse of kula devata. Charvakam speaks about denial and it is the oldest documented atheist literature from India. Because the Supreme Brahman is nirguna and it is the karma that manipulates lives. Godliness does matter more than God here in overcoming the shadripu and triguna.

So the curses are to be tasted to a certain extant before going for remedies. We miss lot of details- example Gulika gives maraka nature to the lords of 1,5 and 9 if it is associated with them. If the longevity is good, it gives almost death like sequences.

Palmleave nadi gives exact past birth details. It is better to study the charts before the age of 12 or 13. Remedies should start from there as it takes a while to get results. Parents should give efforts if children are of this age group.

I had a chance to view charts of 2 natives hailing from orthodox families. Stopping traditional worships like sandhya landed them in acute troubles. It is difficult to identify where from this much amt of karma gets accumulated there.In these cases there was a betterment to get birth in a family where worship is legacy but they get side tracked -taking money/foreign settlement as the only agenda in chart reading.
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Re: past life house

Post by iladevi19 » 21 Nov 2019

Any result need not manifest immediately in the the next successive birth .Some karmas could take long time and in between there could be other karmic dues . For any thing to manifest a proper time and place has to be in operation .

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Post by Dashas » 21 Nov 2019

@iladevi19, what would be you view on someone who is not a good person but doesn't get punished and gets everything good in this life? If they were such good souls in past lives that their present situation is great, why would they decide to deviate from the path of goodness?

I can understand a soul suffering past lives bad karmas but can never understand a soul who seems to have everything going for them in this life, doing bad karmas at present. Please shed some light on that.

Thank you so much.

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Post by iladevi19 » 21 Nov 2019

A human birth takes place when good and bad karmas are equally present . Just because a person is good in this birth we can not conclude that he is a very good soul . In the eternal journey of life a soul could have done many karmas some good and some bad . In the present life it could have been experiencing the results of good karma . It does not mean that only good karmas were done by the soul through out the journey of life in all the births. The soul is subject to the Arishadvargas and under the influence of them he commits bad karmas also . Even in our scriptures we come across instances of bad karmas done by virtuous people . All that is the part of cosmic play . Even in one life a person who is very good in one dasha period changes totally in another dasha period . Specially I observed a person under afflicted Mercury exhibits the dark part of his character all of a sudden and very close people only can see the change . Similarly a very good , strong , well placed Jupiter makes a person to change to a good and virtuous one . A well associated good Saturn makes one highly spiritual and philosophical though by nature he was totally against that trait . Planets are only messengers .They deliver the result as entrusted to them by the cosmic judicial power. Like it was already discussed for every thing there is time and place and a particular result is experienced at the particular slot of time . So we feel that some very good people undergo untold sufferings where as very bad people enjoy all the good things of life . Soul gets tied by its own doings good as well as bad . Just because a person is tied with gold chain instead of iron chain the pain and helplessness of captivity is nor reduced . Punyakarmas are gold chains and papa karmas are iron chains . So a real yogi does not want to get tied with even good karmas . Bad karmas should not be done and in good karmas , after the action is over the karmaphalam should be offered to Paramathma . Then only one gets release from the cycle of births and deaths .

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Post by Dev » 21 Nov 2019

It is true that any result need not manifest immediately in the the next successive birth .Some karmas could take long time and in between there could be other karmic dues .

But then even in the same janma, if your teacher hit you with bamboos when you were 5 years old, if you want to give her back when you are 65 and she is 80, then will she not ask what are you doing now for what happened 60 years back. It is in the same janma though. Atleast there is connection.

But if one had all vices in the past and is born relatively very decent without vices, it would be hard for him to imagine that he was like that in the past because it is not a slow transformation.

So that may be God's ways but then it is hard to imagine so.

If a could person is murdered his family people could only imagine he had killed someone in one of the previous births. So for we humans the connection is missing since we cant recall anything from previous janmas and sometimes forget even this janma happenings.

Anyway it is God's way which is different.

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Re: past life house

Post by Dev » 21 Nov 2019

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I am surprised by your statement that stopping sandhya landed them into big trouble. I know of so many not at all doing sandhyavandan and many not doing even tarpan for father.
I feel tarpan is more important, it is duty towards one's father and ancestors.

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Re: past life house

Post by vedam33 » 21 Nov 2019

Yes it is correct ,that tarpanam has to be done invariably .other wise it will effect in our next Janma also

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Post by vedam33 » 21 Nov 2019

Even a well placed jup is not of much help to sriram chandra Prabhu chart .as jup is exalted what happened .got kingdom but at the cost of children

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Post by Dev » 21 Nov 2019

True.
Tarpanam is done for those who are gone, so that is very important. Not doing will incur heavy sins. Doing will not incur punya.
But sandhya done may incur punya and not doing may not incur papa, this is what an upanyasakar said.

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Post by vedam33 » 21 Nov 2019

More than sandya not doing tarpanam will harm more i observed so many people who suffered

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Post by Dev » 21 Nov 2019

That is exactly what I said before. That is why may be many are doing tarpan alone and a few dont do both.

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Post by Dashas » 22 Nov 2019

@Dev ji, regarding your slow transformation comment, I have always thought it to be like, when we die and decide to take next birth, it is possible we're presented with multiple choices to burn off bad karmas faster or slowly (and to enjoy good karmas). Perhaps a more evolved soul would pick the route to burn bad karmas over lesser births (resulting in more suffering), as they know ultimate goal is nirvana.

Good and bad are all terms on earth connected to the actions tied to the physical realm. So perhaps those good people now purposely took birth with particular nature in order to feel the suffering they caused others.
And with all the karmas the soul has done, it is only fair to be born with no memories of the past, kind of like a clean slate.

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Post by iladevi19 » 22 Nov 2019

we are not allowed to have memories of the past because it could lead to many Untoward actions and anarchy .

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Post by iladevi19 » 23 Nov 2019

In Ramayana we come across the reason for the birth of Ravana . When sanakasanandas were stopped from entering the inner quarters of Sri Mahavishnu by Jayavijayas the guards , even though they were doing their duty they were cursed. When they were asked to choose between a life for 6 births as friends or a life of enemies for three births they opted for the second choice . They were (!) Hiranyakashyapa & Hiranyakha . (2 ) Ravana & Kumbhakarna ,(3 ) Sisupala &Danthavakthra . We all know how they behaved with out an iota of kindness , ,morality , good ness or Bhakthi in all those 3 janmas . That shows any memories are just erased before taking another birth .

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Post by lefteye » 23 Nov 2019

Karma is a real mystery. At times,it affects good people also. That is the secret of God.

If you read Valmiki, please find the basic similarity among all Surya vamsa kings who went to forest and did tapasya for having good children. Dasaradh did Aswamedha but still all his 4 sons suffered. Two in forest and two in palace for 14 years due to their separation and mutual regard that bonded them all.I think you can get the list of kings in Raghu vamsa from wiki. All kings were abiding by Dharmic rules but still they suffered. I wondered about the 5th house’s strength those kings continued to possess. That is the way this karma creeps in to make people suffer.

There are many instances where incidents happen beyond our belief and faith. For example-the chief priest of ashta bandhana kumbabhishekam ‘s life is in danger for one year after that event. Any wrong act at any point will cost his life within this period. In some cases this will happen within the first 41 days after the kumbabhishekam. These chiefs really take a risk and do this event.

I know a case where all children in a family had a defective left toe by birth for 2 generations. That family had a legacy of Subhramanya worship. They could not find reason for the problems even after consulting leading astrologers as they were following the niyama correctly. They built a temple for Lord Muruga also. Problem originated here.

Only one tantri could identify this. He asked for confirmation – was there any defect in the idols they installed. No was the answer by the family. But he was shown to the Tantri that the left leg of Lord Muruga to be defective. The whole process took a month or two when that Tantri made a visit to that temple and found the toe to be defective.

The family members had been paying the EMI for the three generations old error. They re installed a new idol after doing shanti karmas. This story is a hearsay only but a true one.

Regarding Tarpan and other rituals – we don’t do them properly. Recently I came across a blog which classified the Arghya and Tarpana as two different entities. But both are one and the same.

Tarpan and rituals - Both the acts are important. Tarpan is common for all and missed by 90 % of people. That is reflected invariably in all charts almost.Rahu in eigth is a hall mark of the paternal karmic balance. Kula devata worship is also important and common. The daily rituals are important for select people . I talk about this category. This right is not given for all people but for few.

Venus affliction is the hall mark of missed sandhya for 2 generations. Mismanagement of mantra prayog-Saturn will be the hall mark. Lack of Shiva worship and anushtan-Sun will be the indicator. For Vaishnava karmas-Mercury affliction will be acute. Venus- Mars bad placement is the hall mark of mismanaged sakthi sadanas. Wrath of deities can be studied from Prasna Marg.

There are no references from classics to substantiate except wrath of deities.

Effects of badaka will be also too bad in all these cases but natives won’t be aware of this basic. Whatever be the remedy being carried out for them, if these basics are not taken care,then there won’t be results. A life time commitment of daily japa of the respective moola mantra- it is not that 108-it will be of some 5 digit number- is primary remedy. Then comes the astro remedy of visiting temple or doing a homa etc..Even in remedies, there is an order. Ganapathy homam, Navagraha homam, Nakshatra homam, Ayush homam-all these 4 should preside your main remedial homam. Then alone remedies will yield results. This final paragraph is very important.
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Post by Dev » 23 Nov 2019

You say one will be presented with multiple choices to burn off bad karmas faster or slowly but you mean between death and next birth?. I agree, evolved soul would pick the route to burn bad karmas over lesser births as they know ultimate goal is nirvana but even the sinners can aim for nirvana without working towards them.

You say it is only fair to be born with no memories of the past, kind of like a clean slate.
But for the normal person, it is better to know the mistake committed in previous janma for which he is suffering.
Otherwise, many ask, why is God punishing me, what sins I have committed? They dont get an answer. I mean many.

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Post by iladevi19 » 23 Nov 2019

Ramayana happened in Threthayuga , Jarasandha belonged to Dwaparayuga . But in kaliyuga the mortals are not given choice . Unless the karma is too intense for good or bad , judgement would be implemented in the future births only as the life span is only 100 years in kaliyuga. One more thing , is there are no sinners or saints for ever . Present sinner could be a future saint or vice versa rarely . Rome was not built in one day .All great saints could have been great sinner in one of the past births .

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Post by Dashas » 23 Nov 2019

'Even the sinners can aim for nirvana without working towards them' - Agree. Also, I believe bad or good is only related to physical realm. A soul is not a sinner but the karma attached to it, is good or bad. So accordingly it would take birth in physical or whichever realm to burn them off. I also think earth is just one realm, there are probably many more.

Having memories of the past constantly, with the amount of birth one may have taken, it would be really overburdening (unless one is a highly evolved soul. In such cases, soul already knows the previous births such as raja janak). The idea of this whole cycle is to get liberated rather than keep thinking about what happened and why and when. Each birth teaches us lessons that we subconsciously inherit in our next lives and we subconsciously act on those. That's where PLR etc come into play too. Essentially, we all have those past life memories but it takes another level to access them.

@lefteye sir, even after pleasing all the Gods (by doing a much as possible), if Gods are not happy and still curse the natives, what is the point? Isn't it better to not do anything at all?

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Post by lefteye » 24 Nov 2019

@Devji and @ Dashasji
Nirvana should happen automatically if we apply the said inputs. We don’t know what it is. At our level of knowledge, we can't aim that. The shastras are not explained by authors using proper details. There is really a dearth of Jnana. Immediate remedies not possible for any native. It takes time because it needs a basic change of swabhava of an individual.

Memory of previous birth can be retrieved by sincere upasana. We already have those memories stored in our chitta and we call it as “vasana”. The palmleaf nadi gives the detail of our past birth. We can feel the continuity of that character in this birth also.

These links may be useful to understand karma in the best terms.
https://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/bg02.htm
https://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/bg05.htm

The inputs given are about the variations of karmic continuity which may be either a reward or a punishment. In advaita, Supreme Brahman is nirguna and this is the basic point insisted by Sri Krishna in Gita. The Lord says that He doesn’t have a friend or an enemy.

This attachment or aversion on a karma gets connected to our chitta- the 4th antakarana which is controlled by Rahu in a chart. So what The Lord says is to get out of Maya or Rahu. The act of balance is something one has to perform . The experience of balancing act in karmas are helpful to perform karma without the results +ve or –ve being added to the agamic karma now.

The daily rituals allotted by shastra are not kamya karma. They are nishkamya karmas . Doing them will not give any direct material benefits. But missing them will carry negative marks. We don’t have a materialist sankalpa for nitya anushtana.

We have an answer in Chandogya Upanishad. Doing karma without getting attached to it. This is explained in Chandogya 4-14-3... RK Mutt’s publication of Chandogya gives the above statement as the implied meaning of:
यथा पुष्करपलाश आपो न क्ष्लिष्यन्त एवमेवंविदि पापं कर्म न क्ष्लिष्यन्त
That is Upakosala vidya-conversation between Satyakama and Upakosala.
Upakosala was advised to maintain the 3 agnis by his Guru Satyakama in his absence, when he plans for an outstation trip. Garhapatya, Dakshinagni ana Avahaniyagni are the agnis. They give upadesa to Upakosala. That is the story. But why these 3 agnis needed to be maintained is unclear to me. Garhapatniyagni is the root from which other two are established during nitya karma by the karta. When the Karta is out of station, what is the need for the other 2 agni?
The same technique is retold in Gita 5-10.
Results of a karma will not be attached to jeevan if he does the karma without desirous intentions-like water doesn’t stick to the lotus leaves though it is always immersed in water.
5.10: He, who dedicates his works to Brahman without attachment to work, is never subject to sin as a lotus leaf (does not get wet) by water.

It doesn’t mean verbal declaration “ Krishnarpanam”. Realisation is more important here. But it is difficult to attain this stage.

As a short cut to avoid karma, we can’t refrain from doing it either. kamya karma can’t be renounced to attain nirvana as The Lord says in Gita:
3.4: Neither because man does not start an action, he gains Niaskarmyam (abandonment of action), nor because he renounces action, he gains Siddhim (perfection).
3.5: No one, (for sure) even for a moment, remains without doing some action. All people surrender against their free will (avasah) to the gunas of nature, which induce them to action.

We succumb to the senses which create the karmic results.
3.6: The foolish man (vi-mūdha-atma), who curbs his sense organs for outward show, but thinks about the sense objects in his mind, is a (mithya-acāra) deceitful teacher.
Vi-mūdha-atma: perplexed, foolish, or confused man

3.7: The one, who restrains his senses by his mind, and begins, O Arjuna, his karma yogam (Yoga of action) without attachment to sense organs, is superior (and unsurpassed).

3.8: You should do your work as prescribed to you (by the sacred texts), for action is better than inaction. By inaction, even upkeep of the body is not possible.

3.9: Except for the work done in the spirit (for the sake) of sacrifice (Yajna, or God), karma binds all other work done in this world. O Kaunteya (Arjuna, the son of Kunti), you perform your actions without attachment for the sake of sacrifice or God.

5.3: It is common knowledge the enduring renouncer (nityasannyāsi) neither detests nor desires; he is free from dualities, O Mighty-armed one; and he finds release easily from bondage.

5.10: He, who dedicates his works to Brahman without attachment to work, is never subject to sin as a lotus leaf (does not get wet) by water.
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