Rules? - If native is in foreign land

[er.computer]

Hi Astrologers,

I would like to know what rules/strategies you apply in your practice if you see that the native is already in foreign land in regards to,
- Overall chart analysis
- Dasha Analysis
- Transit Analysis

Or will prediction remain same or it may differ a slightly? If any, how to see that?

Thanks and Regards.

[joyd]

All 3 parameters combined results counts for sound prediction.

joyd.

[er.computer]

All 3 parameters combined results counts for sound prediction.

joyd.

Hi Joyd.

Yes in general it is true, we need all three.
But I was wondering more in terms of to see them differently if native is away from birthplace. Or all technique remains same.

Regards.

[joyd]

if native is away from birthplace.? is different only one planet responsible for it[with in his own country] but staying away from one's mother land,several factors will come in to the scene.

joyd.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

There are several factors but the main point is you have to recast that person's chart when he was born base on that place he is migrating to. The time taken would be the time at that location when he was born.

The time he touch down the country ie. murhurtha is also important.

Dashas based on his original birth chart should support the move and planetary transits on the 4th bhava should support like Jupiter tansiting the 4th for an Aires Ascendant.

He is going to foreign land for holiday (then 9th ruler of his natal chart dasha and transit is important as well as this planet in the recast chart above; murhartha is independent though, that is the beauty of it).

Similarly going to foreign land to spearhead something like diplomacy or fact finding mission 7th ruler is important, to migrate 12th ruler is important, to do business that can have a huge impact 8th ruler is important, for general profession or business 10th ruler is important etc.

If the foreign country is in the same continent as the original country, then 3rd ruler is important.

Venus and Moon should not be afflicted by planetary transits at the point of moving because they are water planets.

Other than the above Tropical Astrology has a huge say on migration because the vedic culture generally look at migration as not auspicious. Scriptures have very little to say about it. Also migration has something to do with crossing over several continents or land mass, and this may affect your fortune in the destination, so Astrocartography (comes under Tropical Astrology) becomes important, the lines of energy traversing over several land masses, with the one crossing over at your destination place being the most important because that is the place you are going to.

How to get the world map from Astrodienst with the Astrocartographic lines you can refer to this website :

https://starsignstyle.com/generate-astr ... ee-online/

How to interpret the map, refer to this website :

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/astroc ... -astrology

A rference for all the different lines on the map and their related planet indications can be found
here :

https://www.thoughtco.com/planets-and-points-206660


Best Rgds
Mac Khoo Hock Leong

[er.computer]

Hi Khoo Hock Leong,

Thanks for sharing that information. I had stumbled upon the astrocartography earlier and for few people I know it seems to be working very well.

Though I was not aware about re-casting chart based on time at destination location (instead of birthplace) and creating "new" native chart. I would work with that.

What do you suggest for transit? Should it be imposed on birthplace chart OR destination location chart?

Thank you.

[Crystalpages]

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Other than the above Tropical Astrology has a huge say on migration because the vedic culture generally look at migration as not auspicious. Scriptures have very little to say about it.
...

The fundamental body of jyotish texts (scriptures on which even modern jyotishis base their rule-structure etc) were spoken/written a very long time ago (thousands of years) and probably migration was extremely rare in those days. Tropical astrocartography, comparatively, developed in western astrology much more recently.

That said, migration has increased significantly in India, within the country, as well as abroad, and perhaps astrocartography should attract increasing attention and examination. Some of the commercial Jyotish software have a preliminary interactive module which provides a world map and ascendant and navamsha lines (curves) at the time of birth or at other epochs too, in case folks wish to examine this area of study.

Namastay!

[iladevi19]

When India was known as Bharathakhandam , it consisted many countries and going to another country meant going to another country with in Bharatha khandam . If one migrated to Kerala from Bengal it was migration only . The customs , traditions , habits , food practices , language ,dressing literally every thing was different . Those days going abroad like gulf was unknown and in fact it was considered as a punishment called deshabahishkaranam. . When Ravana punished Vibhishana for joining hands with the enemy he said Deshabahishkaranam was equivalent to punishment of death and asked him to leave the country .So changes in time give different meaning to some yogas and the same rules are not applicable always . what was considered a bad luck once is considered a very good luck now .In many things we can see this fact . So can we go only by scriptural writings now while giving predictions.Basing on the guidelines given in scriptures in theory some modifications have to be made as far as predicitive astrology is concerned .

[KMD]

Hi,

To answer the original post , one needs to consider desha (country), kaala(times that we live in) and paatra(role or duty) of the individual also in addition to analyses of overall chart, dasha and transits.

There are no changes to the rules governing analysis of chart, dasha and transits even after a person has immigrated to another country. However, his / her desha would have changed and so also his / her paatra.

Regards,
KMD

[justchill]

The places where the lords are shift back by one house. While the lordships stay intact. Source: class video of Shri rath. Counting will be from 12 house. Lagna becomes 2nd.

[KMD]

Hi,

One needs to consider whether the individual is living as a foreigner or has become a citizen of the country he has migrated to. That's why I mentioned earlier that desha, kaala and patra need to be considered.

Regards,
KMD