Bhava chart versus Rasi - final outcome ?

[jia.sin]

Hello learned members,
Can some of you help clarify Concept of Rasi chart vs bhava cgRt in making prediction.

How do we interpret results of The 3 Example below:

if Venus and sun are in 8th house for Gemini ascendant and move to 7th house in bhava chart how can that be interpreted?
Some say these planets will give result of 7th. Some say they will give negative results as they were placed in 8 in Rasi. Please help clarify.

Another example is Jupiter in 1st house for Gemini Lagna moves to 12 in Bhava.

Moon exalted in 12th in Gemini ascendant moves to 11th in bhava chart.

[astrostar]

Rasi chart means sign chart.
in this chart, we read only planets' and their occupied signs.
Except this. we do not study houses in sign chart.

House chart or bhava chart is the main chart to be studied for every event in life.

e.g. for marriage we take 7th house and its significations.
But we do not take 7th sign and planets in it.

Houses are formed thru degrees in a sign.
Degree is the starting point for a house.
Using this asendant degree, we calculate ascendant for D9 chart.

e.g.
Take Libra as the rising sign for a particular region on earth, say, running from 9:00 AM to 11:00 AM.
If a native was born at 10:48 AM, the ascendant degree would be 27° in Libra.
The D9 ascendant would be Gemini.
If there is a planet in Libra at 24° or 13°, then, we say, that planet is not in 1st house,
but it is posited in 12th house.

In this way, we study bhava chart.

Send birth details. I shall tell you the planets positions.

[aquarian.sun]

So...Having one planet in kendra (1st house) in rasi and none in bhava chart because it moves to the 2nd house means miserable life?

[Bhishma]

Planet's aspects are to be seen from which chart, Rasi or Bhava chart ?. Using JHora 8.0, it is observed that my MARS in 8th sign in D1 has moved to 7th Sign in Bhava and receiving SATURN's aspect placed in 5th sign in both D1 and BHAVA charts. So how would be the effects in reality ?

[astrostar]

So...Having one planet in kendra (1st house) in rasi and none in bhava chart because it moves to the 2nd house means miserable life?

Having one planet in kendra (1st house) in rasi chart and none in bhava chart - would not give miserable life.

For miserable life, ascendant lord, Moon must be significators of 8,12 houses without beneficial aspects.
Ascendant lord plays vital role in determining one's life style.

[aquarian.sun]

The kendras are the most important houses...no planets in kendra means struggle,bereft of joy,pleasures etc.All the celebrities.known people etc. have at least one planet in kendra.That's why i ask beacuse i have Saturn in 27 degrees Capricorn an it moves to the 2nd house in bhava.So far my life was miserable.

[astrostar]

The kendras are the most important houses...no planets in kendra means struggle,bereft of joy,pleasures etc.All the celebrities.known people etc. have at least one planet in kendra.That's why i ask beacuse i have Saturn in 27 degrees Capricorn an it moves to the 2nd house in bhava.So far my life was miserable.

Unless, 2nd house degrees are less than 28° in Capricorn, we do not say Saturn is in 2nd house.

so, find out 2nd house degrees in bhava chart;
can use jhora s/w and use placidus house system.

At 27°, Saturn's beneficial strength also depends on Mars and Jupiter.

I think Saturn is not in 2nd house [according to placidus house system]

[astrostar]

Planet's aspects are to be seen from which chart, Rasi or Bhava chart ?.

Do not take signs for aspects in D1.

Using JHora 8.0, it is observed that my MARS in 8th sign in D1 has moved to 7th Sign in Bhava and receiving SATURN's aspect placed in 5th sign in both D1 and BHAVA charts. So how would be the effects in reality ?

do not consider rasi chart and bhava chart.

Take the degrees of Mars and Saturn, and determine by ORB difference by multiples of 5.
if the ORB difference is lesser than 5°, it is a strong aspect;
if more than 5° and less than 10°, a moderate aspect;
more than 10° and less than 15°, a weak aspect
and so on..
can also do this by multiples of 3 for better classification.


A person has to make several efforts to achieve things
related to the zones where Saturn throws his aspect in the chart.
It also implies, a person has to learn some lessons in the areas aspected by Saturn.

If Saturn aspects Mars, person has to make efforts, learn things - relevant to areas signified by Mars.

[astrostar]

Use Jhora s/w to find out Mars and Saturn degrees.

[Bhishma]

@astrostar bro, below are the degrees using JHora 8.0 version. But I really don't know on how to determine the ORB difference. Could you just give a simple example to get some clarity on ORB difference and its calculation.?

Mars 4 Aq 02' 25.63" Dhan 4

Saturn 17 Sc 08' 20.73" Jye 1

[aquarian.sun]

I'm confusend.JHora shows Saturn in 2nd bhava.
Here is my D.o .B
14.02.1993
6:15 Am
Much appreciation !

[astrostar]

I'm confusend.JHora shows Saturn in 2nd bhava.
Here is my D.o .B
14.02.1993
6:15 Am

Saturn is Not in 2nd bhava.
Saturn is in First bhava and is under the control of Jupiter, a functional malefic.

In Jhora, change the house system to placidus. Then, it will show as Saturn in first house.

8th house lord Sun is at 1° in Aquarius;
there is a strong conjunction between Saturn and Sun.
So, Saturn is in combustion.

[astrostar]

Mars 4 Aq 02' 25.63" Dhan 4

Saturn 17 Sc 08' 20.73" Jye 1

Saturn is at 17° in SCO

it means Saturn can throw its full aspect at Capricorn 17°, Taurus 17°, and Leo 17°.
And can take +/- 15° as a range of influence from 17°;

for 3rd aspect of Saturn, the range begins at 2° (17-15=2) in Capricorn and ends at 2° (17+15=32-30=2) in Aquarius;

Mars is at 4° in Aquarius

Although Mars is not placed in this range, (from CAP 2° to AQU 2°)
can say that Mars has got the weakest 3rd aspect of Saturn as
aspect still works in the weakest form in 15° to 20° range.

[hari766]

House chart or bhava chart is the main chart to be studied for every event in life.

e.g. for marriage we take 7th house and its significations.
But we do not take 7th sign and planets in it.

Then is it better to calculate the Arudha lagna also, from the Bhava position of the Lagna lord?

[astrostar]

Then is it better to calculate the Arudha lagna also, from the Bhava position of the Lagna lord?

Yes, it is better to calculate Arudha lagna from Bhava position of the Lagna lord.
Instead of counting signs, count bhavas.
Same applies to Upapada and others.

[hari766]

Then is it better to calculate the Arudha lagna also, from the Bhava position of the Lagna lord?

Yes, it is better to calculate Arudha lagna from Bhava position of the Lagna lord.
Instead of counting signs, count bhavas.
Same applies to Upapada and others.

This makes a huge difference in my chart. In Rasi the LL Jupiter is in Taurus sign, the 6th house. In Bhava he moves to the 5th house. Accordingly the AL if taken from Rasi, must be in Libra, where Rahu is posited, and with AL lord Venus debilitated. While if taken from Bhava, the AL goes to Leo sign, where Sun and Venus is present (Venus moves to 9H in Bhava). With Rahu in AL in the house of a debilitated but neechabhanga Venus, I thought I needed to be very careful to avoid getting embroiled in huge sexual scandals.... while the Bhava-AL is a huge relief. Is there any other way to confirm this?

[astrostar]

@hari766

I use placidus house system for bhavas.
so, post the birth details.

[aquarian.sun]

@astrostar

I see..So my lagna lord is combust...that's why my life is miserable..I tought combustion only take planets when planets are in the same sign....

[astrostar]

@aquarian.sun

Signs and Bhavas are Not to be seen for aspects and conjunctions.
Only degrees are considered for aspects and conjunctions.

Besides combustion by 8th lord, Saturn also has a connection to 12th lord Jupiter.

so, ascendant lord Saturn, being in ascendant, has links with 8,12 houses.
1H to 8H,12H connections are not beneficial.

[aquarian.sun]

I understand.So what could that possibly mean..Lots of expenses and hurdles? Thank you very much btw for the explanations !

[Bhishma]

@astrostar bro, in my friends horoscope... details below... the 1H Lord Mars is placed in the 12H along with 8H Lord Mercury... so by this pattern I had assumed that there is a chain linking ASC+1H+8H+12H... serious Rahu+Ketu 1...7 axis in addition to the above pattern... please do share your privileged insights in this regard at least on a superficial basis?

dob: 03 October 1993
tob : 9:25 AM
pob : Nagapattinam Tamil Nadu

[astrostar]

1H Lord Mars is placed in the 12H along with 8H Lord Mercury... so by this pattern I had assumed that there is a chain linking ASC+1H+8H+12H

correct;
1H to 12H link is a strong one, bcz of placement;
1H to 8H link is there with a moderate strength, bcz of conjunction;

Rahu+Ketu 1...7 axis

Rahu/Ketu can give good results to some extent in some areas, and can be negative in some.

[Bhishma]

@astrostar bro, any special reason on why you had chosen placidus house system for my Saturn+Mars aspect concern... does this imply other house systems are not efficient or accurate... apologies if I had meant something wrong.. just a beginner in vedic astrology, that's why... please don't mistake for asking such queries ?

[astrostar]

any special reason on why you had chosen placidus house system for my Saturn+Mars aspect concern...

for aspects, conjunctions
- never take any house system;
- never take sign chart and bhava chart;

for aspects and conjunctions, always consider only degrees

does this imply other house systems are not efficient or accurate...

Yes, other house systems like - whole sign system, equal sign system, etc. miserably fail.
They are used in initial stages of learning (LKG level in astrology) to understand the basics.
Later, one should leave such systems and learn placidus.

apologies if I had meant something wrong.. just a beginner in vedic astrology, that's why... please don't mistake for asking such queries ?

Nothing wrong.
Never mention apologies.


You have freedom to ask any kind of doubts.
If I am able to give answer, I may give, otherwise, I may not.

[aquarian.sun]

@astrostar
What's the meaning of a combust lagna lord in lagna? Thank you.