Vedic Principles and Vedic Tools

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Hi Learned Members

To all thoe who are new to Vedic culture.........

The basic pinciples do not exchange. For example basic (rather than exalted) principles in analysing an astrological chart. Or analysing an astrological chart is more powerful than using numbers for prediction.

But Vedic tools just like the tools used by stone age men can be used in various flexible manner but not breaking the principles above.

I have 7 jade bangles for the wrists and 9 various jewelery rings.

The wrist control the direction of the hands to do the the most productive work at any one instance, like picking up the pencil to complete the memo which you were half way through when you were interrupted by a phone call. 7 is Lakshmi so productivity is financial gains.

The fingers help you to complete the work, like completing the memo in the example above. So auspiciousness comes in (like not making mistakes in the memo you scribble). 9 is the most auspicious number in Vedic cuture.

I have 10 jade pendants which lie on my chest area, at first that's what I thought. So 10 is for Krishna.

But I bought another one, so 11 jade pendants representing the 11th Rudra of Hanuman, serving my devotion to Krishna by chanting the mantra 10 times of him.

Then I realise I counted wrongly and that I have 12 jade pendants. So this instead can represent the 12 Sun's rays, representing the 12 roles of the sun........as a friend, an advisor, a sustenar etc. I must serve to emulate the Sun's behaviour, that is my motto.

Sun travels the sky and lights up the Earth and the underworld also depends on the Earth. Thuse Sun takes care of the three levels of the Universe, which we call the 4th bhava in our Astrological chart and Krishna lies above in the 10th bhava. The jade pendants thus serve to connect my soul to the Lord above, overseeing me.

See how flexible all this is

Regards
Mac Khoo Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

The Chinese often regard 8 as the most auspicious number bringing untold fabulous riches. The sound of the number 8 in Chinese (for Mandarin and Cantonese at least) is like the sound for the Chinese character for prosperity.

The Chinese has a feng shui symbol of the "extended infinity" which represents prosperity amidst all vicissitudes. This is usually bought as the Chinese new year approaches to usher in the New Year.

What I have said just now ties in nicely with Rahu's affinity of the 8th house. If Rahu is well placed in the 8th like alone and in a good nakshatra or conjuncting Venus in its own sign, it can give massive fortunes.

8th being 2nd to the 7th, is the moneyhouse for the business house. So you need a good 7th house and a good 8th house would make it better. You need both Lakshmi (Venus affinity for the 7th) for opportunities and Kubera (Rahu affinity for the 8th) to ground the opportunities to your way, for everything to gain in a quick momentum. Venus alone may sometimes miss new opportunities except when you are talking about marriage or Venusian staff. Rahu alone, especially if not well placed, may cause downfall.

But then the Chinese as a group is ruled by Venus. So they can just extol the number 8 (Rahu) alone. That is why the Chinese love the number 8.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

The scrptures on gemstones only recognse green jade and white jade, and no other colours of jade.

But then that is only on gemstones, and not on colour therapy per se using planets as a basis. So there is a possibility of using yellow jade to bring in Jupiter.

In colour therapy, the colour we see for the planet is different from the colour vibration from the Sun's rays that represent the planet. So for example Moon is pale white but it reflects the orange rays of the Sun. But we humans see only the pale white portion only. So we go for pale white as representing Moon.

Now we already have yellow sapphires and imperial topaz, so why the need to bring in yellow jade? As mentioned in my earlier post, Jade represents Mercury and Venus combined.....some remedial specialists classify it as a Mercury stone and a few classify it as a Venusian stone. I think Jade has both Mercury and Venus effects with the colour of the jade veering it in either direction. So green jade is predominantly Mercury, in fact very much so, and translucent colorless jade is predominantly Venus.

The Chinese has recognised yellow jade as giving health, wealth and wisdom. This ties in with Saraswati yoga in Vedic Astrology which has the combined effects of Mercury, Venus and Jupiter.

I went to shop for yellow jade since I already have green and white jade.

I ended up getting a special white jade from a province in China call He Tian with yellow sreaks on it. This can tie in with my other green jade to tie in with my interconnection of Mercury, Jupiter and Moon in my navamsa....Moon and Mercury connection is enhanced in a positive way if Jupiter interconnects between them. (To those who do not know the story about these three planets in the scriptures, Mercury is the illegitimate son of the Moon but Jupiter was willing to take both of them under its fold).

I also got a light orange jade call the Yellow Dragon variety of yellow jade with white crystals embedded within it. Orange represents the Sun which is the soul and Yellow reprsents Jupiter which is enlightenment. When you have light orange it represents knowledge of the soul. This ties in with my Sun Vishnu yoga in the 12th bhava.

The white crystals embedded within it represent Venus and it ties in with the special moksha yoga described by explorings, where in the 12th house in Navamsa being overlaid by a sign, the sign of which overlays a kona in Rasi, and a natural benefic sits within that sign in the Rasi chart.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

What does it mean that the relationship of Mercury and Moon must be mediated by Jupiter in the astrological chart?

I have spoken about the parable. Moon is Mercury's real father and Tara is Mercury's mother. Tara eloped with Moon. But Jupiter took back Tara and Mercury and reared Mercury as his own son.

But Mercury acknowledged the Moon as his real father.

There is some confusion smongst the astrological community as to whether Moon is enemy to Mercury and Mercury friendly to the Moon OR Moon is friendly to Mercury and Mercury is enemy to the Moon.

Komala Sutton, for example, makes a convincing argument for the latter viewpoint when, for example, like saying that the Moon does very badly in Mercury's asterism and padas.

However, if you go by the general argument that the Moon has no enemies, the Moon actually does very well in Mercury Rasis, like Anuradha bringing up the Yoga of Riches occur when Moon is in Virgo, Gemini and Cancer.

BUT note, if you take Moon as the Ascendant, Moon in Virgo means Cancer ruled by the Moon is on the 11th house and Moon in Gemini, Cancer is on the 2nd house. So has it more to do with house distributorship rather than the Moon's signs per se? Not really. House distributorship is intricately linked with a planet's placement in a sign, especially for the Moon which is taken as the Ascendant in Vedic Astrology.

So why is the dictun turned on its head when we talk about nakshatras and padas and when we talk about Rasis?

Mercury being an Earth planet, and Nakshatras and padas deals more potently with our niche areas of life, Mercury becomes more independent from his father, and may show some hostility towards his father, the Moon. Moon being caring about Mercury's needs in mundane life, becomes sympathetic to Mercury.

On the other hand, when we talk about Rasis, the soul part of things, Mercury's soul is ultimately begotten from his father, the Moon, so how can Mercury be negstively hostile to the Moon? Moon, however, in this case, acts condescendingly to the son, because after all, everything about Mercury is begotten from him? Literally speaking, Mercury is the Moon's flesh and blood.

So there is some ambiguity of relationship between Moon and Mercury when they contact each or one another in the chart by aspect or placement.

Moon is mind and Mercury is logic. If you talk at the Rasi level, logic loves the mind because mind provides the platform for the logic to expand considerably. Mind hates logic, because even the devil can come up with its own logic of fighting for a good cause. That is where Jupiter steps in. Jupiter sieve out those logic that is unecessary and unwarranted by adopting Mercury as his own flesh and blood.

Moon's consent to let Jupiter adopt his own son means that the mind becomes less cluttered as the Moon would not see his son Mercury that often.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Mercury acknowledging the Moon as his real father shows that ultimately we can bypass even using wisdom tools like philosophy, breathing techniques etc. to quell our incessant logic. We can just control our mind. Then our start to moksha begins when the Moon (the mind) leaves our body.

Any religion, the true religious people are only focused on God.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

But if losing your mind is not good enough for some people after death, then focus your thoughts on Krishna, represented by the Moon and ai for Krishna loka.

[Vivek Surya]

Namah Shivaaya,
So, Khoo ji, i just wanted to confirm, what do you say about the Naisaargika bandham (Natural relationship) between Moon & Mercury?
The above said statement by you is logical, that
logic loves the mind because mind provides the platform for the logic to expand considerably.
Completely agreed,
But we know that Moon treats Mercury as friend but not vice versa, right?
Because all the upachhaya signs lords from the Moolatrikona sign of a graha, opposite sign lord are defined as enemies & rest all friends.
As Moon's Mooltrikona sign starts from 3°20' Taurus to 30° Taurus. So, from there 2nd, 5th positions belomgs to Mercury should be a friend according to the definition. From Virgo 11th sign is cancer, So Moon is enemy to Mercury.
As Mercury owns 7th, 10th positions from Jupiter's Moolatrikona sthaanam. Thus by the definition Mercury is enemy to Jupiter. As Jupiter owns 4th, 7th positions from Mercury Moolatrikona sthaanam, thus Jupiter becomes neutral to Mercury.
Now, how can the above definition supports your logic?
Kindly educate me in this regard.
Thanks!

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Vivek Surya, I will reply to you later.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

I bought 2 more jade pendants.....

That makes 14 pendants.

13 reaches to the place where Venus is in in the Rasi chart, which is the Ascendant. 13 divide by 12 gives remainder 1. Venus is the natural benefic which I was talking about in the special moksha yoga I have above.

As a matter of diviniy blessing, the 13 face rudraksha that I own also contributes stronly to Moksha besides all the major rudrakshas that has the potential to grant moksha like the 1face, 2 face, 5 face, 9 face, 10 face and 14 face.

14 reaches to the place of my 2nd house, ruled by the Sun in the 12th forming a Vishnu yoga, the place which was originally reach by the number 12.

14 is also 7 x 2 ie. from the 7th bhava, counting 2 steps to feach the 8th bhava, the placement of my pure, highly exalted and unafflicted Jupiter. Moon is racing there in my chart from its 7th placement, away from Saturn and towards Jupiter, makes the person reach the bosoms of his alma mater as indicated by hari where he feels comfortable.

The preceding two paragraphs talks about reaching Shiva - Sun and Jupiter, for the number 14 in my chart.

2nd house has Mars 9th from it in the 10th. Mars is a yogakaraka for a Cancer Ascendant ruling the 5th and 10th. It shows the raching of God or Krishna. In fact my Mars is in the 10th, making the reaching of Krishna even stronger.

This Mars is 9th from the 2nd house, the house reached by the number 14 and the house of sustenance in all sense of the word. It means also inviting Krishna into every aspect of yor life. And Krishna can be considered the highest form of Vishnu.

Thus completes the roundup discussion for the number 14. I do not owe the 14 and 4 face rudraksha beads by the way. So 14 jade pendants reprsenting the reaching of God for the 14 face bead PLUS lots of jade representing Mercury for the 4 face bead, helps to paper up the crack.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Another thing about the number 14 is this :

If you add up the digits 1 and 4,it gives you 5.

If you talk from the spiritual angle, 5 is Jupiter's number, like the 5 face rudraksha bead.

From the karaka and material angle, 5 is Mercury's number reprsenting intelligence, talisman etc, (karaka as used for astrological Rasi Chart analysis, 5th house matters linked to Mercury (and not the Sun like the soul), are material issues covered by the 5th bhava.

So 5th bhava has influence of both Shiva and Krishna.

[Vivek Surya]

Vivek Surya, I will reply to you later.

Namah Shivaaya,
Thanks Khoo ji & also My 7th lord Mercury & 8th lord Moon are in Mutual aspect, Moon is in own house in 8th, 7th lord Mercury is in 2nd house in 8th lord Moon's star (Shravana Nakshatram). What does Moon Mercury relationship speaks about in my horoscope?
Take your own time
Thanks

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Note the Vishnu yoga I mentioned has Sun as the focal point. So it has something to do with Shiva too. Sun is Shiva. That is why the first two paragraphs which I talked about the number 14, I mentioned that these two preceding paragraphs talk about Shiva.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Okay here we are talking about numerology of planets without linking to the characyeristic of spiritual products like Rudrakshas.

So what I have said about the number 8 being Rahu snould instead be Saturn. The fact that the Chinese extol 8 representing Saturn and the themselves as a group representing Venus, reiterates the gact in Vedic Astrology Venus and Saturn together in a chart always brin riches like Bill Gates, overriding the secondary principle that Venus and Saturn may dampen each other under certain circumstances.

Rahu here is assigned to 4 for this numerology concept. Rahu causes riots in 4 and for the Chinese the number 4 sounds like death. Venus and Rahu is omly good in some houses, like both of them are conjuncting in the 1st house in my chart which is good, and by extension only good for certain Chinese. My fate number 4 and lucky number 1 (see my post on numbers to how to calculate this and on the compatibiloty of numbers) shows that Rahu can give me good fixed assets including property as well.

Notice the Indians never extol 8 because they as a group is represented by 8 and to extol 8 again, means there is a double dosage of Saturn. They tend to for gold or diamonds.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Make some changes in the last post of the 3rd paragraph.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

In pictures,

Rahu is represented by a man's head but the body of a serpent.

Ketu is represented by a serpent's head but a man's body.

This shows Rahu thinks like a man but acts like a serpent.

Ketu thinks like a serpent (divine power) but acts like a man (good deeds uppermost in his mind).

[Khoo Hock Leong]

There is a video on transparent jade with a carving of Kwan In , the Goddess of Mercy.

The original stone has green patches, and at the bottom of the feet of Kwan In is carved a green fish. The presenter went on to say Kwan In is born quiet in nature, so quiet that even the fish jumped out of the water to rest on her feet to soothe itself.

It reminds me of what I said earlier about the Shashtiamsa called "Thorns on the Feet" which I have Venus placed there. As you walk the extra mile for others, so can you also rest on the feet of Vishnu.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

I think I am shuttling between the three states of waking, sleep and deep sleep, such that whatever I say seems to be confirmed later on. But more than that, it serves as a verification to me that my learning of jyotish is generally on the right path.

[rathore]

Khoo , you should seriously consider starting a Youtube channel .. that way you can be LIVE and enlighten the world .. ... just a thought ..

[Khoo Hock Leong]

In another post and thread, I mentioned that for compound numbers between 10 and 19, whether you are looking from the spiritual angle using spiritual products like Rudrakshas or from numerology standpoint, the numbers stand for both systems. This is because 1 which stands for Shiva, helps to reinstate the lower position number 0 to 9 spiritually (which is based on the system of Rudraksha faces, for example), and the said digits on its own, reinstate what they stand for as a single digit materially, without the 1 in the higher digit position.

So 14 jade pendants has connotations of 4, also 1+4=5, and 7x2 so starting from 7, you go through 2 steps ending in bhava 8. 14 divide by 12 remainder is 2.

So 2nd, 4th, 5th and 8th bhavas are involved.

I just bought a 15th jade pendant. 15 has connotations of 5, also 1+5=6 and 5x3 so starting from 5, you go through 3 steps ending in bhava 7. 15 divide by 12 remainder is 3.

So 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th bhavas are involved.

But 3rd is 2nd of the 2nd, 7th is the 4th of the 4th, and 6th is the 11th of the 8th ie. gains of 8th.

Therefore going by ALL the above logic from the 1st line of this post, the Rdraksha literature concerning the 14th face and 15th face is correct. It states :

Whatever that is promised by the 14th face Rudraksha, is also promised by the 15th face Rudraksha. The 15th face Rudraksha, in addition, promises materiality because the 7th bhava is involved. More so than the 4th bhava only, promised by the 14th face Rudraksha.

Rgds
Mac Khoo Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

12 and 16 are the only compound numbers between 10 and 19 that are divisible by 4. Thus more numbers come under play especially 12 because for 16, the number 7 can be reached by 1+6 as well as 4x4.

However, 16 enable us to reach 9 by a leap via 8x2 and 9 is also 11th of the 11th, thus securing 11 as well. 9 as you know is also 5th of the 5th, thus the whole 5th-11th axis is covered.

Having said that, the number 12 covers a lot of houses in the Vedi chart (numbers).

The numbers are 2, 1+2=3, 4x3 meaning from the 4th go 3 steps which means you end up in the 6th, 6x2 you end up in the 7th, 7 is 4th of the 4th and 10th of the 10th, and of course the number alone stands for the 12th house. So it covers 2 (and a background 1), 3, 4, 6, 7, 10 and 12. It grants you the top position in the field, the 10th, and can easily attain moksha too, the 12th. It covers the other Earth houses as well, the 2nd and the 6th. It gives happiness, the 4th, and strength and talents, the 3rd. It is a precursor to the number 21 where 2 comes before 1, meaning prosperity before rebirth, that of Kubera. Here 1 is before 2, meaning your current rebirth is to attain prosperity, and so on for the next rebirth as well, this cycle of pattern of rebirths before one jump to the cycle of pattern of rebirths signified by 21 where prosperity comes before rebirth, or as the case may be when you attain Moksha, signified by the number 12.

Rgds
Mac Khoo Hock Leong

[Khoo Hock Leong]

10 as a number represents Krishna. It is also 1 standing for Shiva (Shiva is a destroyer but is also the precursor for creation by Brahma, thus Shiva has a role for creation as well and that is why 1 also stands for manifestation) and 0 for infinity.

Worshipping Krishna or Shiva leads to the same emancipation, but bear in mind Shiva loka is lower than the loka for Krishna, so there is rebirth after some years in Shiva loka.

It is a totally different ball game of moksha given by the 12.

[rathore]

Please read some actual scriptures before writing ... all your posts are your own opinion, this is to be borne in mind by anyone reading this nonsense and getting misguided.

[radiance]

I think I am shuttling between the three states of waking, sleep and deep sleep, such that whatever I say seems to be confirmed later on. But more than that, it serves as a verification to me that my learning of jyotish is generally on the right path.

This one totally blew me away. So many coinciding things I can relate to in this thread. I have been stumbling into it 3-4 times in the past 1-2 weeks especially as its shows up at the top as you keep updating.

The interest developed first after reading about info on number 8, number 5 etc. However above quoted section on sleep was very intriguing as it is similar to what Dr Joseph Murphy states in 'Power of subconscious mind'.. Incidentally I was re-reading the book earlier today before reading this post
"The best time to impregnate your subconscious is prior to sleep. The reason for this is that the highest degree of outcropping of the subconscious occurs prior to sleep and just after we awaken. In this state the negative thoughts and imagery, which tend to neutralize your desire and so prevent acceptance by your subconscious mind no longer present themselves. When you imagine the reality of the fulfilled desire and feel the thrill of accomplishment, your subconscious brings about the realization of your desire."

The coincidences -
-Am a 3rd born with destiny 8. Hear 8 is Shiva's favourite number although 3 can also be seen(bael leaves)
https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/lord-s ... e-number-8
-Rahu alone in 8th in navamsa probably makes me delve deep into the occult. I am no expert(and likely never will be) however observed that few experts in the field share the same nakshatra(PurvaBhadrapada).
-You talked about number 14. Bought my first car two years back. Registration plate number totalled 14. Had to sell it though due to certain temporary issue around my employablity.
- Made slight change to make my number from 39(3) to 41(5) few years back. 5 is the only saviour for 8 destiny as they say.
- Started wearing panchamukhi rudraksha 2 months back.
- Realizing now that both panchamukhi rudraksha and name number 5 are in alignment with my strongly placed atmakaraka Mercury in navamsa. Also currently in Mercury MD!

So strong relation between Number 8(delays), Number 5, atmakaraka and certain events/incidents in my life.

Only name number was changed to align with 5 consciously. Other things happened either on their own or I wasn't aware of mercury and its alignment with 5 then. Am probably in the worst period of my life yet have the highest hope for the future because of my strong belief and devotion to the supreme.

Note: Lost a little belief in rudraksha as it doesn't necessarily go clockwise or anti-cl.wise over pranic/non-pranic foods respectively as supporters say. It is the power of our mind. Deepak chopra did a small experiment with Oprah many years back to show mindpower in a video. Nevertheless not lost faith in Rudraksha completely. Trying to find a temple these days where I could actually pour water/milk on shivalinga on my own.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Thanks radiance for your input.

Actually the best way to use numbers is the list without correspondence to spiritual products - since we encounter such numbers everyday, like your car number, house number etc. To reiterate, this list is :

1 for Sun
2 for Moon
3 for Jupiter
4 for Rahu and Uranus
5 for Mercury
6 for Venus (remember Venus is karaka for the 7th bhava but Venus true number is 6)
7 for Neptune and Ketu
8 for Saturn
9 for Mars

Pluto has the power to transform, with that you need mighty strength, it tends to occur in double same digit numbers before all the digits are folded up (see below). Examples would be 11, 22, 33, 44, 55, 66 etc. If this occurs, it means the person has some inner power or resolve.

Fold up all your digits into one single digit.

Take the planet representative of the digit mentioned above. See what houses it rules in your Vedic chart. Thus this is looking numerology from the functional rulership point of view.

Remember as you fold the digits, during the intermediate folding, you may end up intermediate single digits call the base digit, that does not mesh well with the final digit. There can be many base digits of course, from the lower levels to the higher levels. If everything meshes well from bottom to top, then it becomes very auspicious.

[Khoo Hock Leong]

Remember intermediate single digit numbers occuring during folding may be at the same base level but they can be as a result of folding different parts of a string of digits like for eg. a social security reference no. can be made up of :

xxxxx-yymmdd-pppppp

where the x's is the id., yymmdd is the date and pppppp is the postal code.
These different portions are at the same base level bust must also gel well.