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Post by P.Srinivas. Rao » 23 Dec 2012

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Post by P.Srinivas. Rao » 23 Dec 2012

Vakra Graha Prabhava in Obamas Chart (4-08-1961/ 19.24hrs/Honalulu-hawai)

In Jyothish Shastra, it is usual practice that
a) If the Shubha graha is balishta, then the graha will provide Shubha phala to the jataka.
b) If Ashuibha graha is balishta, then it will give Ashubha phala------ said in laghu Parashari or Jataka Chandrika grantha.

Every Shastrakaars has told that, the drishti of all the grahas will be according to the well defined manner stated in the jyothish shastra. Accordingly they have explained the phala of the grahas.

But none has told that the graha will see back when they are in retrograde mode or Vakra. This is only our imagination and not by the shastrakaars. Thus the statement, Vakra grahas sees backwards is not true. In fact no graha becomes retrograde; we feel that the graha is going backwards when these grahas come close to the earth. It is only a mathematical calculation. (Further reference pl go through my earlier thread in this subject)

Therefore Vakra means, the graha which is going forward suddenly takes the turn and goes backwards. In this case, they will not stay retrograde for long. Kujadi pancha grahas getting retrograde

Retrograde grahas drishti will not be so effective or will not have that much of strength in their drishti compared to their drishti bala when they are without retrograde. Or in other words, it loses its drishti bala when they go back or in retrograde mode. (Pl understand I am talking here the drishti bala of retrograde graha)
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Post by P.Srinivas. Rao » 23 Dec 2012

1)Let us see what Nadi Grantha says with regard to Vakra graha.


Adipathya papa graha is vakra---- Papa phala,
Adipathya shubha graha is vakra-----Shubha phala,
Adipathya shubha or ashubha in Neecha kshetra and vakra----Shubha,
Adipathya shubha graha in 1-4-7-10-5-9-11 and vakra---- Yoga.

Now let us see Vakra graha in Obamas Chart---- Makara lagna.
Guru the lord of 3rd and 12th is papa graha but vakra in Neecha sthana ----- shubha,
Lagnadipathi Shani is shubha graha but Vakri in lagna --------------- Yoga.

2)As per Saravali:-

If the graha is Vakra in Uchha sthana ---- wont provide shubha phala or neecha bala. This is applicable to Athi Vakra also.

If the graha is vakra in Neecha rashi------ Uchha bala.
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Post by P.Srinivas. Rao » 23 Dec 2012

3) As per Uttara Kalkamrita and Others:-

a) All Vakri grahas will attain Uccha Bala when they are in other kshetra or houses,

b) If a Vakra graha joins with other Vakra graha, then it loses half of its strength,


c) If a graha is Vakra in its Uchha sthana, then it attains the neecha bala,( here neecha bala means , the grahas karakatwa will be opposite or inconsistency) They will give Neecha bala when they are in Uchha rashi and retrograde,
Similarly they provide Uchha bala when they are in Neecha sthana and retrograde

d) Guru Bagawan is the only graha which loses its Kendradipathya dosha if it is vakra in any house.

e) If the retrograde graha is with neecha graha, then that neccha rashi graha will not bring shubha or ashubha phala. ( pl understand that I am not sating here Neecha vakri graha)


f) If the vakra graha is with uchha graha, then the phala may become vipareetha.

g) The Karakatwa phala of Vakra graha may become slow. In other words the grahas actual phala can be seen only when it loses or stops its retrogression and starts moving forward. ( this is also applicable for Transit phala )

The bava phala of that retrograde planet will be under problems till they are in retrograde motion. For eg: - A jataka is born on 19-12-2012, Guru is vakra in Vrishabha rashi. This Guru is vakra in vrishabha rashi till 30-01-2013. That means, till 43 days after the birth of this jataka, Guru is under Vakra .On 44th day he leaves his vakratwa and starts moving forward as usual. So guru will give his natural phala only after 43 years to this jataka. The jataka may experience the Vakra Gurus bhava phala, (that is slow in Gurus karakatwa and with many problems), till he is in Vakratwa. Here 1 day = 1 year. (Kindly see my earlier threads)
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Post by Sunjit86 » 23 Dec 2012

Hi,

Refer to point 3, sub section D:

"d) Guru Bagawan is the only graha which loses its Kendradipathya dosha if it is vakra in any house."

If Guru is in the 9th house of Kumbha and is Vakra, it loses its kendrapathi dosha for a Mithuna Native?
--What about guru's detrimental effect on the house that it sits in? Is that negated as well? How does being vakra affect this?

How accurate is Uttara kalkamrita? It seems that Uttara Kalkamrita provides insights that BPHS does not, for example the above.

Kendrapathi Dosha is a common topic but i think its one of the least understood "doshas"

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Post by P.Srinivas. Rao » 24 Dec 2012

4) Vakra means- Graha in Shaktha avastha. Shaktha avastha means graha having more Rashmi bala. It increases its Chesta bala.

5) In Phaladeepaika: ----- a) If a graha is vakra and having rashmi bala and in shubha bhava, the jataka may become a King even if that graha is in neecha sthana.


b) Even if the tara grahas are balishta like Balishta Chandra or in Uchha or in Swa kshetra in Mitra Kshetra, they become Bala Heena if they are in Astha or kanthi ( rashmi ) heena.

c) If two or more grahas are vakra and having more Rasmi and sits in susthana, the jataka may become a King even though that graha is in neecha kshetra.

d) A jataka is born where many grahas are in vakra and in neccha sthana, he will become a ever last king in this world provided the vakra graha is in susthana, shubha rashi and in shubha navamsha. This is called as ---Kereeta, Chatra, Chamara Raja yoga.( Kereeta=Crown, Chatra= place to cover /Umbrella, Chamara= a pan used to blow air).

e) When Tara grahas become Vakra, they are considered as balishta provided they have more Rasmi. Such grahas will become balishata even if they are in Neecha kshetra or in shatru kshetra.

f) Refer Raja yoga adyaya in Phaladeepika-----sloka 3rd and Shadbala adyaya--- sloka 4th.

Kindly check the Chesta Rashmi Bala in J .hora to this Jataka.
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g) Refer Obamas chart ----

Guru is having highest Chesta Rashmi among all the grahas even though he is in neecha sthana.

Moreover he is in Kendra sthana, susthana both in Rashi Chakra and in navamsha and also in Shubha Rashi in navamsha. Guru is shubha graha here.This is applicable to Shani also in Obamas Chart
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Post by P.Srinivas. Rao » 25 Dec 2012

In Obamas Chart, Obama is running Shani dasha –Shani Bhukthi at present.

1) Shani is in 7th house Ravi nakshatra and hence created a Digbala (Shani in 7th is Digbala) along with bhagyadipathi Budha. Thereby Shani gave digbala to Ravi – Budha and Guru. Shani gave his Shasha Yoga karakatwa to Guru-Budha-Ravi and took over their karakatwas.

Shani is the only Graha who have the capacity to induce its karakatwa to others and take their karakatwas within himself. Shani is karma karaka. This graha is athyantha prabhavitha graha among all the grahas. If Shani makes up his mind, he will provide the jataka much more than what other graha is capable of giving the phala or else he is capable to block or delay other grahas phala to jataka. Since he is naisargika papa graha, sometimes the jataka may find viparyasa phala.
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2) Even though Shani in ashtamadipathi Ravi Nakshatra, Lagnadipathi Shanis bala won’t get affected because he is Digbala. Lagnadipathi Shani is Poorna balishta in this jataka; hence this jataka experienced the poorna Raja yoga.

Therefore, one should see Raja yoga grahas nakshtradipathis sthana mahatwa more while analyzing Yogas. The nakshatradipathi should not be in neecha, shatru kshetra or astha.

Here 7th is Kendra sthana and rashiadipathi Chandra is Uchha and balishta. Therefore Lagnadipathi Shani is POORNA BALISHTA in this jataka.

That is why one should see graha sanyog from nakshatra, only then you will come to know to what extent the Raja yoga will give the shubha phala in the jataka.

3) Here in this jataka, I don’t know whether you have noticed Budha in sapthama sthana. Budha is bhagyadipathi in sapthama is digbala heena. But through Shanis digbala, Budha has got the digbala and sees lagna and lagnadipathi.

This Budha in Lagna Shani nakshatra, so Budha has got digbala through Shani. Shani in lagna. Karakatwa of Budha can be seen in Obamas speech.

Budha has given everything in his life--- education, status, intelligence, speech, dealing, buddhi- jnana, chaturatha( brilliance ), samaya prajna( time consciousness ) vidheyatha ( obedient )and kuthuhala ( anxiousness )but not the parental love. Why? we shall see it later. Moreover Budha has got the digbala from Shani .Budha in Shani nakshatra, Shani in lagna.
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4) A) Pl understand Raja yoga grahas phala may not be phala kaari if they are in Neecha – Astha- Shatru rashi or Digbala heena)

B) If Raja yoga happens from Uccha rashi, then that graha may not give the phala if it is in Neecha navamsha or Neecha in Dwadashamsha.

5) Guru and Shani are in 7th house Ravi nakshatra. 7th lord Chandra is uchha. In Ravis house Rahu is there. Therefore, Ravi will give the Rahu phala. With this, there created a sambandha of Guru – Rahu. That is why he became a Great person (Sreshta Purusha) in the world.

6) Therefore, it is wrong to say that Raja yoga happens only through Graha sanyog. Maharshis has shown us only the moola. If we understand its hidden soothra through Naadi shastra, we can see all the Raja yogas siddhantha phalas written by Maharshis.

In Navamsha, he is Vargottama.


Next------we shall see Shasha -Pancha Maha Purusha Yoga and also Guru Neecha Banga Raja Yoga.
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Post by skp23 » 26 Dec 2012

Respected Srinivas ji,
Great information presented with details & references..with example of Ju as Ju is a key planet among all. Looking forward to next posts

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7) Now let us see what is the phala of Shasha yoga:---------

When Shani is in his own house ie: - Makara and kumbha or in uchha sthana in Tula, but should be in Kendra to lagna, then it creates a Shasha Yoga.

With this, the jataka will come up by his self efforts. Through his hard work, he will earn money, property, fame- name and will become a recognized person in the society. He will be well known to all and every one requires his presence. He will have his own way in his achievements in life.

He will become the richest person, tatwa jnanai, a philosopher, understanding slowly, gradually and with deep study, a Shiva bhaktha, Loka upakaari , Dharmista and will make sure that his name is remembered by all for all times.

A calculated person and will give the reply only after brief study and thinking. But sometimes he may acts like a fool and finds himself in difficulty. (Manda karaka –Shani. Shani is Natural malefic planet).

Any person born in this Yoga will have good health, spend thrift and angry. He is slow in his work but will finish meticulously before other completes the job. They are not talkative in their achievements. But if they start defend their talks; they will speak with authority as if other person is completely drowned by his words.

They are hard working people. They prefer loneliness. They live independently. They don’t like the groupings and quarrels. They always eat and stay in other people’s house.

Sometimes, they try to complete their job with cunningness and hence they get bad name in their life.

Usually they get top post in Army and Police. They become the Commander -in chief for the military. They give due respect and love their parents. They are atma jnanis, vedanthis and they prefer to go depth in their fields or studies.

They have the knack of understanding others feelings. They achieve their goal in their own style and work hard day and night to achieve the same. Generally they are agriculturists or they own huge properties in their name.

Shasha Yoga people mostly have Shankha rekha in their hand. They go very deep into the subject and understand the truth of the matter. With this attitude, others are afraid to confront them.

Since they have Shayya rekha in their hand, they are Vedanthis. By sitting in one place they can understand others problems and advise the right measures.

Since they have Baana rekha in their hand, they are very much interested in Vedanthas. Their look / eye sight is very powerful. They mostly serve the nation.

Since they have Shastra rekha (not Shaastra), they work hard to root out the ajnana and preach jnana, vairagya to others and guide the people

They have Mridanga rekha in their hand. They study every shaastras, go deep into the subject and show their excellence.

If they have Maala rekha in their hand, they make others to understand the depth of the matter and serve the people.

If they have Veena Rekha in their hand, they are well educated, polite and are loved by everybody. Thus they become a Leader or head of the institution or the nation as well.





It is said in Naadi grantha that the graha which is giving Raja yoga is vakra, the jataka will get the uttama phala. But if the graha is astha, then that graha will give the phala erratically. Means, beginning phala will be given in the end and end phala will be given in the beginning. It is called as Viparyas Phala.

This is Shasha Yogas phala in short.

Now u see what is mentioned in Naadi system about Vakra graha, ------ Adipathya shubha and Vakra in 1-4-7-10-5-9-11th house is YOGA. Shani is shubha graha because he is Lagnadipathi.

Lagnadipathi Shani in lagna – created Shasha Yoga.

Now let us see from Navamsha ----- Shani in swa navamsha. Again navamsha rashiadipathi Shani in lagna in swa rashi in rashi chakra
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8) Guru --- Neecha banga raja yoga from lagna, lagnadipathi, Rashiadipathi and Chandra.

Guru is the lord of 3rd and 12th ----- ashubha graha.

Now u see what is mentioned in Nadi grantha. Adipathya papa graha is vakra is ----papa phala. Adipathya shubha or ashubha graha is vakra and neecha is --- Shubha or shubha phala dayaka.

U can also go through what Uttara kalamrita says. A retrograde graha in his debilitation has the strength of exaltation. He will give the exaltion strength phala with respect to 3rd, 12th and 1st bhava.

Naisargika Shubha graha Guru in his own house in navamsha and in lagna in rashi chakra.

Thus, this is the Nadi jyothishs rahasya. Pl understand, when the graha becomes Vakra, it won’t loses its karakatwa. Therefore Vakra Shani and Vakra Guru will give shubha phala in Obamas Chart. The retrograde phala can be seen literally during the Dasha or Bhukthi kaal.That is why said in the beginning that ---“But none has told that the graha will see back when they are in retrograde mode or Vakra. This is only our imagination and not by the shastrakaars”.

Now let us see as per Phaladeepika grantha: - Guru is having the highest Chesta Rashmi among all the grahas even though he is in neecha kshetra. Guru is in shaktha Avastha and having highest Chesta Bala.

Now let us see what is the karaktwa of 3rd Bhava----- dairya, sahas, showrya, parakrama or vikrama sthana / victory sthana, self efforts in earning income sthana, signing agreement papers, exchange of views,new venture sthana,

What is the karakatwa of 12th house------- tapassu, devatha chintahana, new environment, sthana pallata, change of place, place of secrecy, dashma sthans thratheeya sthana.

We shall see in what nakshatra Guru is? Guru is in 7th house Ravi nakshatra. Ravi is in karka rashi, Gurus Uchha sthana. Therefore Guru will give the uchha phala of 3rd, 12th, 1st and 7th house. In one way we can say that Guru is Digbala here in lagna.

Pl understand wherever Guru is digbala and balishta, the jataka will occupy the highest post. That is what happened in Obamas jataka.

Therefore one should not say , when the graha becomes neecha , it will give neecha phala. I hope the readers have now understood how the Neecha graha takes a man to peak.( provided the graha is not neecha in navamsha ). This is the rahasya of Naadi Jyothishya.

What is the karakatwa of 7th house--------- Public place , sarvajanika kshetra, vyvahaar, loka or people, prayana sthana, prapanchika sukha, mano ullasa, preethi – vishwas sthana, bhahya sukha sthana. Karma sthans karma sthana is 7th..
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9) Neecha Banga Raja yoga:-

Here in Obamas jataka, Guru has created a Neecha Banga Raja Yoga.

Let us see how many ways the Guru has created a Neecha Banga.
a) Guru is in Kendra to lagna
b) Guru is along with rashiadipathi Shani
c) Neecha sthanas uchha graha Kuja is in Kendra to Chandra
d) Pl understand Guru in lagna is Digbala
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Pl understand neecha banga raja yoga graha will not be fruitful if the rashiadipathi is in 6-8 or 12th from lagna.

Here in this chart Guru is in lagna along with rashiadiapathi, lagnadipathi Shani. Shani is mitra to Guru.
Therefore it is Neecha banga from Lagnadipathi Shani ---who is mitra to Guru,
Neecha Banga from Kendra sthana ie: - in Lagna,
Neecha Banga from 4th and 11th lord Kuja.
There by created a powerful Neecha Banga Raja yoga.

It is general rule that the neecha banga graha will give more shubha phala of its sthanadipathya phala. Here Guru is the lord of 3rd and 12th bhava; hence it increased the shubha phala of Gurus Karakatwa.
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Let us see what Parashara says about Neecha banga phala;-

a) If a graha is Naisargika shubha graha and also adipathya shubha graha, then that graha will not give shubha phala in neecha sthana.In other words Neecha Banga for adipathya shubha graha is not fruitful.

b) For eg:- Mesha Lagna , Guru is neecha in 10th house
Vrishabha lagna: - Budha is neecha in 11th house
Mithuna lagna: - Shukra is neecha in 4th house
Karkataka lagna:- Guru is neecha in 7th house.
Kanya Lagna: - Shukra is neecha in Lagna, 1st house
Tula Lagna:- Budha is neecha in 6th house
Tula Lagna: - Shukra is neecha in 12th house
Vrischika lagna:- Chandra is neecha in lagna
Vrischika lagna: - Guru is neecha in 3rd house.
Makara lagna:-Shukra is neecha in 9th house
Makara lagna: - Budha is neecha in 3rd house
Kumba Lagna: - Shukra is neecha in 8th house
(All These grahas are Naisargika shubha graha and also Adipathya shubha.)
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Now we shall see Gurus neecha banga in Obamas chart------

a) Here Guru is Naisargika Shubha Graha but Adipathya Ashubha graha.

b) Guru is the lord of 3rd and 12 th is papa graha in lagna. Since he is vakra, he became shubha graha

c) Guru is neecha banga in lagna. So Gurus naisargika karakatwa is not lost. Means, money-santhana-respect-prestige-shubha karyas , jnana, Raja gowrav karaka,vedanthi, maarga darshak karaka,ADRASHTA karaka, soumya guna karaka, ADHIKAAR karaka , JEEVANA Karaka , JEEVA Karaka, Rashtrapathi-Prime minister karaka, known for intelligent speaking karaka, laabha karaka etc. All these shubha phala can be told in Obamas Chart.

Adipathya (3rd and 12th house) papa graha Guru is vakra in Lagna made Guru as shubha graha. In other words Gurus adipathya (3rd and 12th bhava) papa graha became shubha graha because he is vakra (and also neecha banga) in lagna. Vakra made the ashubha graha Guru- into shubha graha.

This Guru gave Obama courage, sahas and victory from his own self efforts. Guru made him to live with dignity and self respect. Since Shani in lagna, Obama has to give extra pressure for his victory. In other words, he has to struggle till the last for the victory. But victory is sure.

Other Yogas in Obamas Chart:-

Sunapha Yoga
Veshi yoga
Vaashi Yoga
Ubhayachari Yoga
Sama yoga
Sri Kanta Yoga
Maha yoga
Kaahala yoga
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Post by P.Srinivas. Rao » 27 Dec 2012

Now you have seen how this VAKRA graha takes a man to great heights.

Y ou have seen how the Ashubha Graha Guru became Shubha graha (being Vakra in Neecha sthana)

You have also seen how the Neecha Guru gave shubha phala

This is Naadi jyothishyas rahasya.

Obamas jataka is the live example.



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Post by Ghrishneswar » 17 Jan 2013

Rao ji,
Very well written piece.
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Post by Baba » 04 Mar 2013

Sir,

Can you bring light on mutual exchange between saturn (retro) in 4th house (cancer) and moon in 10th house(capri).

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Post by P.Srinivas. Rao » 07 Mar 2013

Ghrishneswar wrote:Rao ji,
Very well written piece.
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Thanx Grishneshwarji,

Many members had called me and said they havent understood clearly how PVR has said that Obama will become the President again by mere mentionong Shasha Yoga in his prediction and not going in detail.

Infact they requested me to analyse in detail so that the phala of Vakra and Neecha graha in a jataka can be understood clearly without any ambiguity.

That is the reason i agreed to analyse in detail so that every one can easily understand the phala from the graha stithi in a jataka whether it is Uchha, neecha, Vakra or astha .

Regards
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Re: Impact of Retrograde Grahas in Obamas Chart

Post by Ghrishneswar » 12 Mar 2013

Rao ji,

Are the same rules appliable in navamsa also?
Suppose some one has vakra, neecha Jupiter in 8H in navamsa.
Here the ownership is of Jupiter is good but he is in dusthana. he is also neecha but vakra.

What do you think?
In rasi it is creating say Hamsa yoga by being in pisces for Sg ascendant.
So in rasi has shubha adhipatya and by being retro sheds it kendradhipathi dosha.
Regards,

Ghrishneswar

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