Does Jupiter's aspect on Mercury cancel Bhadra Mahapurusha Yoga?

[hari766]

I read this in an astrological magazine, that Jupiter, due to his lordship of mercury's debilitation house, if he aspects mercury, cancels Bhadra Yoga.

For lagnas like Sagittarius, Jupiter is a neutral due to Kendradhipatya, and again due to lordship of lagna, he becomes benefic. So how is it to be understood that the aspect of Jupiter as lagna lord actually leads to cancellation of the yoga?

[Spirit Seeker]

Hari Ji for that you've to study Deva Keralam! I'll consider an example & will tell you
Let's speak about Hamsa bhanga Yoga.
If Jupiter is in Kendra either in Sagittarius, Pisces or Cancer & if Mars aspects Moon. Hamsa Yoga gets bhanga.
Reason: It says that if Jupiter's exaltation lord (Cancer Moon) gets an aspect from its or or conjunct its debilitated lord (Scorpio Mars) since Moon debilitates in Scorpio then Hamsa Mahaapurusha Bhanga happens.
Let's see for Sasa Yoga: Saturn's exaltation lord is Venus. Venus debilitates in Virgo & its lord is Mercury. So, if Mercury aspects or conjunction happens with Venus the Sasa Mahaapurusha Yoga gets bhanga
Similarly in your exalted Mercury case!
Bhadra Mahaapurusha bhanga Yoga: Mercury exalts in Virgo its lord is Mercury now this lord debilitates in Pisces. Its lord is Jupiter. So, if Jupiter aspects from Taurus or Pisces or Capricorn or conjunct with exalted Mercury Bhadra yoga will get bhanga.

Source: Devakeralam!
Hari Ji you could check a post on this by Khoo.
viewtopic.php?t=29118

[Spirit Seeker]

Hari Ji, just realized that you've also participated in that topic.

[hari766]

Hari Ji for that you've to study Deva Keralam! I'll consider an example & will tell you
Source: Devakeralam!
Hari Ji you could check a post on this by Khoo.
viewtopic.php?t=29118

Thank you SS ji, for the inputs and for the link. It explains a lot. After going through it, I still have a query. I was just wondering about the logic of it. Bhadra yoga should indicate that the characteristics of Budha and Prithvi tattva should be predominant in a person. How does aspect of Guru nullify this, since the nature of Guru is not highly conflicting with that of Budha. Had it been between Guru (optimism, expansion) and Saturn (pessimism, Restriction), it would have been easy to understand.

There is one characteristic that makes sense. The person with Bhadra Yoga is said to be unforgiving of even his relatives. Whereas Guru is all about forgiveness and magnanimity. So perhaps there is a conflict after all

[Spirit Seeker]

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[joyd]

Jupiter, due to his lordship of mercury's debilitation house, if he aspects mercury, cancels Bhadra Yoga. / how is it to be understood that the aspect of Jupiter as lagna lord actually leads to cancellation of the yoga?..

yes-it cancels..here in this point there is no place for ubhayakendra dosha. Even though jupiters ubhayakendra dosha nullified due to his placement in 3-6-8-12 Houses.

joyd.

[hari766]

SS ji
I have sent the mail. Pls confirm.

[hari766]

yes-it cancels..here in this point there is no place for ubhayakendra dosha. Even though jupiters ubhayakendra dosha nullified due to his placement in 3-6-8-12 Houses.

joyd.

OK Joyd ji, but is there any other logic behind the cancellation? Due to Jupiter's habitual nature of expanding whatever house/planet he aspects, I would have thought it to enhance the role of Mercury, and the yoga itself.

[joyd]

hari in my reply typo occured,actually my sense is it is not cancelled eventhough jupiters ubhay kendra dosha nillified due to the placement in 3-6-8-12 houses.I forgot to type the word not in my previous reply.sorry for this typo..Now the reason/logic behind it is-

Mercury debilitates in jupiter sign.so as dispositor of pisces jupiter contracts/Restricts insted of expands the ego portions of mercury either by his aspect or in conjunction with mercury.Being virgo as mercurys exalted sign,he is with full confidence and ego.such traits are restricted by jupiters aspect and not expandable due to the above given reasons.Here you have apply the degrical aspects not our commonly used general sense like jupiter aspecting mercury kind of aspects.In JH such degrical aspects table specially given.so once verify that chart wether jupiter degrically aspecting Mercury or not.If jupiter failed in degricall aspect on mercury,Bhadra yoga gives its results without any errs.

Open JH.0n top left click "view" box.It shows various preferences.Go and click aspects table with relationships.The chart displays the aspects table in detailed way.

To find out degrical values-and also perentage of aspects, right click on basic info window and it displays various options.Go and click the 3rd one named as-planetary aspects evaluation.you can find who aspects who and not with their degrical/percentage strength..

so cast your chart and verify the all above two tables deeply for clear understanding on aspect.If your jupiter is aspecting mercury and not mercury your jupiter means.THers is no bhadra yoga.Her you have to take only jupiters aspect on mercury and not viceversa. But if they conjucted bhadra yoga canceelld.

joyd.

[Spirit Seeker]

So, you mean exalted planets exhibits ego! Then why do people say that exalted planet sheds all its taamasic qualities & give Saatvik quality?

[joyd]

Then why do people say that exalted planet sheds all its taamasic qualities & give Saatvik quality?/pl ask those people.Not me.My version is they exhibits ego.so ask their views on shedding off tamasic and saatvik angles.

joyd.

[hari766]

so cast your chart and verify the all above two tables deeply for clear understanding on aspect.If your jupiter is aspecting mercury and not mercury your jupiter means.THers is no bhadra yoga.Her you have to take only jupiters aspect on mercury and not viceversa. But if they conjucted bhadra yoga canceelld.

joyd.

This is how it looks, in simplified form

Aspected
Body Mercury Jupiter
Mercury ---- 88.95%
Jupiter 55.53% ----

So what does it indicate?

[joyd]

you are forgetting what i wrote in my reply.Hers mercurys aspect doesnt count at all.only jupiters. so as per your given info there is no Bhadra yoga..

joyd.

[hari766]

Mercury debilitates in jupiter sign.so as dispositor of pisces jupiter contracts/Restricts insted of expands the ego portions of mercury either by his aspect or in conjunction with mercury.Being virgo as mercurys exalted sign,he is with full confidence and ego.such traits are restricted by jupiters aspect and not expandable due to the above given reasons.

Does this apply with Mercury in Gemini too? Also what if Jupiter in Pisces (hence not in 3,6,8,12 for Sagi lagna) aspect Mercury in Virgo?

[joyd]

First provide your birth info here.

joyd.

[hari766]

This is from the book "Esoteric principles of Vedic astrology" by Bepin Behari. I am just trying to understand the concepts in detail.

From pp 198 of 326.

"Another important factor in the present context is the
Jupiterian relationship with Mercury: What message of Jupiter
does Mercury carry forth? Under the conditions of Maha Purusha
Yoga formed by Mercury, the Jupiterian sign of Sagittarius and
Pisces would fall in the cardinal house. Benefics owning a cardinal
house, unless they are placed in cardinal houses themselves are
not auspicious. In case Jupiter occupies a cardinal house, there is
every likelihood of its forming Hamsa Maha Purusha Yoga, or it
would be associated with Mercury. In such cases, Jupiter will
support and strengthen the inherent qualities of Mercury. In case,
Jupiter does not occupy any of the cardinal houses, the individual
will experience setbacks in his major aspects of life as evident by
physical troubles (Ascendant), emotional and family setbacks
(fourth house affliction), difficulties in marital life (seventh house)
or difficulties in professional life (tenth house). These frustrations
may not make the individual reactionary but would turn him
towards spiritualism and religious way of life.
As the Mahapurusha Yoga formed by Mercury being in a
cardinal house in strength will have the necessary support of
Jupiter, it would lead the individual to radically and completely
purify the thought process of its past tendencies and make it a fit
instrument for understanding the laws of nature. Mind under its
impact becomes sensitive, perceptive and able to receive reflections
of higher laws on one's consciousness besides understanding
the follies of life. Such a person becomes fully self-reliant,
both physically and mentally. This freedom will be reflected in all
that he does. He would be skilled in every undertaking. The
Jupiterian impact on Mercury will make the thinking of the individual
and his approach to problems of life sattwic, righteous.
Ethical influence and sociability, regard for humanitarian wellbeing
with philanthropy will induce him to be supportive of his
family relations. But the most important effect of this Yoga will be
evident in the sharpness of his intellect capable of understanding
the effect of the solar radiation in his life. Knowledge of Sastras,
scriptures, metaphysical philosophies and occult sciences along
with yogic precepts will make the individual unique in many ways.
Two of the special attributes of this Yoga arise from the fact
that the special knowledge of spiritual principles would enable the
individual to control his Vital Airs, the Pranic Forces circulating
around and within him as well as in the world around him. The
Bhuvar Loka is said to be the middle region of the objective
realms comprising Bhu Loka (Earth), Bhuvar Loka (Antahriksha or
the Etheric Double) and Swar Loka (the heaven world). The
rulership over the middle region of Madhya Pradesh in the classical
texts while referring to the effect of the Yoga, actually and more
meaningfully refers to the individual's control over the Bhuvar
Loka which is reflected in control over the Vital Airs, the Pranic
Vayu. The longevity of 100 years refers to completion of all the
four Varnashramas including Sanyasa. Thus the individual will
have the opportunity of completing the full cycle of his life's
mission, a rare and unique opportunity for the mortals. In this
way, Bhadra Yoga enables the individual to complete the various
stages of life's unfoldment ending in complete mental renunciation
of all the material (and religious) accomplishments. In fact,
Bhadra Maha Purusha Yoga opens the channel of spiritual communication
between the higher nature of the individual for his everyday
fife; his inner-being begins to guide him imperceptibly so that
finally he understands the nature of higher forces and stands
aside to let them fill his entire lower nature."

[joyd]

i need only your birth info not BB written research texts..

joyd.

[hari766]

you are forgetting what i wrote in my reply.Hers mercurys aspect doesnt count at all.only jupiters. so as per your given info there is no Bhadra yoga..

joyd.

OK, thank you Joyd ji for the clarification
Somehow, I didnt see your response yesterday, while posting my messages here.

[hari766]

First provide your birth info here.

joyd.

I was asking in a general sense, just trying to know. It's not related to my birth chart.

Since you said that exalted mercury leads to too much confidence and ego, I wondered whether the same could be said of swa-kshetra mercury, and also for all planets in general.

The query on Jupiter in Pisces for Sagi lagna was regarding the cancellation of Kendradipatya dosha, which you said happens if Jupiter is in 3,6,8,12. And does this dosha impact Jupiter's aspect on other planets, like to mercury in virgo, for instance.

[hari766]

In the same book Bepin Behari quotes Rishi Parashara's sloka associating Bhadra yoga with 'Sattvic guna'

[joyd]

hari-whether the same could be said of swa-kshetra mercury, and also for all planets in general. /not applicable to swa-kshetra ones.The point of ego is same for all exalted planets.
2-does this dosha impact Jupiter's aspect on other planets, like to mercury in virgo, for instance./yes..

joyd.

[snsharma]

Dear Hari ad Joyd,

From your coversation,I am unable to understand whether Bhadra yoga is defunct if Jupiter conjoins Mercury in Gemini ie in its own sign.
For example in karnatic musician Dr Balamurali krishna's horoscope his jupiter,sun and mercury were placed in 7th house Gemini.Do you think that Bhadra yoga was defunct in his horoscope? or his success in profession is due to Budha aditya yoga? Please explain me coz I am a beginer and I m unable to understand the discrepancy.
(Hari, I think your excerpt from Behari's work matches well with Balamuralikrishna's)

Dr Balamuralikrishna's Details:
Date of Birth: Sunday, July 06, 1930
Time of Birth: 18:40:00
Place of Birth: Vijayawada
Longitude: 80 E 40
Latitude: 16 N 34

In Manmohan Singh's horoscope,Bhadra yoga is at 10th house.I thought there is no connection between Jupiter and Sun-Mercury combination.But another renowned senior member told(taught ) me that Jupiter is at 9th house forming argala in Dr Singh's horo.

Both the singer and economist did research and excelled in their profession.But what is difference b/n the bhadra yoga formed at 7th house and 10th house? Do they indicate what the natives have to do(profession) ? Can we say that people with Bhadrayoga are karma yogis, in general?
Your inputs are highly appreciated.

Satya.

[snsharma]

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