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Hello all,
My question is about Dur Yoga, especially if 10th lord is in the 8th and not involved in any major positive aspect or other yoga.
If there anything that might lessen or all out cancel the negative effects of Dur yoga in a chart?
what if the Dur yoga planet is debilitated and weak? I ask this because I came across someone on an old forum (india divine, found on google) talking about Dur yoga and they said if the planet is weak this is actually good, as it makes the Dur effects less strong. Just like how the rule applies to positive yoga like Raj yoga, if the planets are weak the effects are less. But in the case of a negative yoga, this is wanted.
Is there any truth to the statement? (the person was just some member of the forum, the conversation was from 2007 and the forum is closed so I can't ask).
I ask because I have Dur yoga with 10th lord Jupiter debilitated in 8th in my chart,
however I have been through the entire jupiter dasha recently, ended sometime in 2011.
Yet the time was positive overall, I had lots of respect in profession, promoted often, had family and friends willing to help and support without me even needing to ask/beg them, and had employment opportunities whenever I tried to find them. ....doesn't seem to be very fitting of the dasha of such a poorly placed 10th lord!
April 15, 1985
10:56 am
Toronto (Ontario - in Canada)
Yes I know the lagna seems to be right on the cusp. But it's been rectified by a few professional astrologers, and through my research the placements in Gemini lagna's chart all fit much more than my cancer lagna one.
I wonder if tenth lord Jupiter's placement in D9 or D10 have any major effect on somewhat "cancelling"(not completely maybe) the Dur yoga ?
Any insight would be much appreciated. This has confused me and been on my mind for many days now.
Thank you very much
My question is about Dur Yoga, especially if 10th lord is in the 8th and not involved in any major positive aspect or other yoga.
If there anything that might lessen or all out cancel the negative effects of Dur yoga in a chart?
what if the Dur yoga planet is debilitated and weak? I ask this because I came across someone on an old forum (india divine, found on google) talking about Dur yoga and they said if the planet is weak this is actually good, as it makes the Dur effects less strong. Just like how the rule applies to positive yoga like Raj yoga, if the planets are weak the effects are less. But in the case of a negative yoga, this is wanted.
Is there any truth to the statement? (the person was just some member of the forum, the conversation was from 2007 and the forum is closed so I can't ask).
I ask because I have Dur yoga with 10th lord Jupiter debilitated in 8th in my chart,
however I have been through the entire jupiter dasha recently, ended sometime in 2011.
Yet the time was positive overall, I had lots of respect in profession, promoted often, had family and friends willing to help and support without me even needing to ask/beg them, and had employment opportunities whenever I tried to find them. ....doesn't seem to be very fitting of the dasha of such a poorly placed 10th lord!
April 15, 1985
10:56 am
Toronto (Ontario - in Canada)
Yes I know the lagna seems to be right on the cusp. But it's been rectified by a few professional astrologers, and through my research the placements in Gemini lagna's chart all fit much more than my cancer lagna one.
I wonder if tenth lord Jupiter's placement in D9 or D10 have any major effect on somewhat "cancelling"(not completely maybe) the Dur yoga ?
Any insight would be much appreciated. This has confused me and been on my mind for many days now.
Thank you very much
Re: Dur Yoga
Dur Yoga occurs if 10th lord is in a Trika while there is a malefic in the 10th house. It doesn't apply to your chart. Also, 10th lord has given its Navamsa to 1st house. 10th house is dignified because of occupation by benefics. 8th house receiving an aspect from its Lord gives it strength while Jupiter occupying it is also good (even in its debilitation sign).
All OK. At worst you would have played some blame games during its Dasha & as a growing up boy it would have given some minor disease here & there.
Rathore
All OK. At worst you would have played some blame games during its Dasha & as a growing up boy it would have given some minor disease here & there.
Rathore
Re: Dur Yoga
Does it apply to my chart? 10th lord getting combust in 6th house...
Dob 30th June 1984
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20:25
Dibrugarh
If yes what are the remedies that could help..
Jelly
Dob 30th June 1984
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20:25
Dibrugarh
If yes what are the remedies that could help..
Jelly
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Thank you rathore for that reply.
Whenever I've researched Dur yoga on google, and come across sites with it's explanation, they only mentioned simply tenth lord in the 6,8 or 12th, with 8 being worst. But what you said makes more sense. As it also explains a few celebrity charts I've seen who have strong 10th houses or no malefic in 10th, meanwhile 10thL is in a dushanta.
I don't remember much blame games, but won't deny that they could've or did happen. (it was a while ago),
and as for minor disease...surely minor, all I can think of getting was some skin eczema, though it was fairly bad for about 6 months. I still have it, but much less / nothing crippling at all.
I have learned from your post that tenth house having benefic/well placed planets (venus, and merc getting NBRY) can overcome issues related to the lord of the house's placement.
thank you
Whenever I've researched Dur yoga on google, and come across sites with it's explanation, they only mentioned simply tenth lord in the 6,8 or 12th, with 8 being worst. But what you said makes more sense. As it also explains a few celebrity charts I've seen who have strong 10th houses or no malefic in 10th, meanwhile 10thL is in a dushanta.
I don't remember much blame games, but won't deny that they could've or did happen. (it was a while ago),
and as for minor disease...surely minor, all I can think of getting was some skin eczema, though it was fairly bad for about 6 months. I still have it, but much less / nothing crippling at all.
I have learned from your post that tenth house having benefic/well placed planets (venus, and merc getting NBRY) can overcome issues related to the lord of the house's placement.
thank you
Re: Dur Yoga
Googled and found ' BV Raman's 300 important yogas' book,
Dur yoga in there just says:
103. Duryoga
Definition.-If the lord of the l0th is situated in
the 6th, 8th or l2th, Duryoga is caused.
Results.-The person will not derive the fruits of
his own bodily exertion; he will be looked down by
others; highly selfiish and always intent upon deceiving others, he will live in a foreign place.
Remarks.-The l0th is the pivot of the horoscope
and its lord should be strong if one's life is to be
tolerably happy. When the lOth lord is in Dusthanas
he will lose his vitality and is therefore said to confer
on the native just those qualities which render him
insignificant in the eyes of the public. Harming others
selfishness and gluttony are not qualities conducive to making one virtuous. One who has Duryoga is
supposed not to derive the benefits of his own bodily exertions. Duryoga seerns to indicate that one would earn his livelihood by manual labour.
Of the three Dusthanas, the 12th seems to be the least malefic so
far as this Yoga is concerned, because whilst depriving one of the fruits of his labours, it will at least
give him noble qualities and therefore a certain amount of respect in society.
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Seems pretty bad.
For myself, to have gone through the Dasha of the planet in this position in my chart, I must say I didn't feel any (or much at all) of those negative effects.
I post this because what you wrote really makes more sense to me Rathore.
But I'm confused as to why a learned astrologer such as BV Raman would publish that it's formed only by 10th lord in 6,8 or 12?
Dur yoga in there just says:
103. Duryoga
Definition.-If the lord of the l0th is situated in
the 6th, 8th or l2th, Duryoga is caused.
Results.-The person will not derive the fruits of
his own bodily exertion; he will be looked down by
others; highly selfiish and always intent upon deceiving others, he will live in a foreign place.
Remarks.-The l0th is the pivot of the horoscope
and its lord should be strong if one's life is to be
tolerably happy. When the lOth lord is in Dusthanas
he will lose his vitality and is therefore said to confer
on the native just those qualities which render him
insignificant in the eyes of the public. Harming others
selfishness and gluttony are not qualities conducive to making one virtuous. One who has Duryoga is
supposed not to derive the benefits of his own bodily exertions. Duryoga seerns to indicate that one would earn his livelihood by manual labour.
Of the three Dusthanas, the 12th seems to be the least malefic so
far as this Yoga is concerned, because whilst depriving one of the fruits of his labours, it will at least
give him noble qualities and therefore a certain amount of respect in society.
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Seems pretty bad.
For myself, to have gone through the Dasha of the planet in this position in my chart, I must say I didn't feel any (or much at all) of those negative effects.
I post this because what you wrote really makes more sense to me Rathore.
But I'm confused as to why a learned astrologer such as BV Raman would publish that it's formed only by 10th lord in 6,8 or 12?
Re: Dur Yoga
GNE ji,
I can't say why B V Raman missed that but he obviously did. Yogas occurring just by lordship of one house can go very bad when malefics get involved or if that Lord is involved in ruinous Yogas itself with little counteraction & a bad dignity. Otherwise the results are not very noticeable because other stronger things take over. Example if 10th house itself is dignified with benefics then you can be sure that 10th lord in 8th results will be feebly felt at best which is why I said it may have given a minor disease here & there and a blaming (only minor as 10th house is dignified) disposition.
Rathore
I can't say why B V Raman missed that but he obviously did. Yogas occurring just by lordship of one house can go very bad when malefics get involved or if that Lord is involved in ruinous Yogas itself with little counteraction & a bad dignity. Otherwise the results are not very noticeable because other stronger things take over. Example if 10th house itself is dignified with benefics then you can be sure that 10th lord in 8th results will be feebly felt at best which is why I said it may have given a minor disease here & there and a blaming (only minor as 10th house is dignified) disposition.
Rathore
Re: Dur Yoga
Yeah it seemed to me that Dur Yoga needed more than simply 10th L in 6,8 or 12. because then it's so common... 3/12, or 1 in 4 people would have it and basically have a horrible career/success life(with little to none of it).
Thank you for your second response.
I suppose in my case it would be different if mars the "evil" planet for Gem lagna was in 10th instead of mer/venus, for example.
Thank you for your second response.
I suppose in my case it would be different if mars the "evil" planet for Gem lagna was in 10th instead of mer/venus, for example.
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Re: Dur Yoga
Here is a chart with duryoga. 27 nov 1975, 8:43 am, lucknow , india.
Saving grace is jupiter's aspect on 10H and 10L.
Saving grace is jupiter's aspect on 10H and 10L.
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Ghrishneswar
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Re: Dur Yoga
Interesting Ghrishneswar,
and I notice 10thL is combust too, though with 9th Lord, so a good raj yoga.
Does Venus being a benefic in the tenth in this case not actually help since it's debilitated and a functional malefic for this ascendant? I'd think so.
Their 10th L mercury is exalted in Navamsa too.
How is their professional life?
and I notice 10thL is combust too, though with 9th Lord, so a good raj yoga.
Does Venus being a benefic in the tenth in this case not actually help since it's debilitated and a functional malefic for this ascendant? I'd think so.
Their 10th L mercury is exalted in Navamsa too.
How is their professional life?
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Re: Dur Yoga
GNE,
I posted this chart to show the literal definition of dur yoga as per BV Raman. You have already noticed the mitigating factors. I believe in astrology nothing gets cancelled, it just gets modified.
This person is employed in fortune 100 company.
Here we see all effects togather.
There are rajayoga effects, combustion effects, NBRY effects , 10h debilitation effects. 6l debilitation effects. Benefic aspects, Amala yoga, duryoga ,All combined.so the person feels he is not where he thinks he should be, a higher position. He had very mild knee issues.
I posted this chart to show the literal definition of dur yoga as per BV Raman. You have already noticed the mitigating factors. I believe in astrology nothing gets cancelled, it just gets modified.
This person is employed in fortune 100 company.
Here we see all effects togather.
There are rajayoga effects, combustion effects, NBRY effects , 10h debilitation effects. 6l debilitation effects. Benefic aspects, Amala yoga, duryoga ,All combined.so the person feels he is not where he thinks he should be, a higher position. He had very mild knee issues.
Regards,
Ghrishneswar
Ghrishneswar
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Indeed, Ghrishneswar.
I agree we need to combine all factors.
Though nothing gets cancelled, that's true. ...but I meant there may be so many more positive factors that the effects of a Dur yoga seem nonexistent to a person.
And thank you for mentioning knee issues, I forgot those were related to the 10th.
This makes me wonder about myself as I have no knee issues (and have gone through the mahadasha of my "Dur yoga" 10th lord) Infact my knees are some of my strongest body parts. I am able to fall down landing on my knees (like going into kneeling positon but not actually kneeling, ...instead just drop down onto both knees at once) on even hard floor (not carpet or grass).
I have been doing this as a kid, just a weird thing I noticed I can do. But I did work as a camera operator for videos and many of the times I'm shooting while on my knees, and walking on my knees, often even on concrete or gravel floor. No troubles.
This makes me question my weak 10th L , thats all I'm saying.
I agree we need to combine all factors.
Though nothing gets cancelled, that's true. ...but I meant there may be so many more positive factors that the effects of a Dur yoga seem nonexistent to a person.
And thank you for mentioning knee issues, I forgot those were related to the 10th.
This makes me wonder about myself as I have no knee issues (and have gone through the mahadasha of my "Dur yoga" 10th lord) Infact my knees are some of my strongest body parts. I am able to fall down landing on my knees (like going into kneeling positon but not actually kneeling, ...instead just drop down onto both knees at once) on even hard floor (not carpet or grass).
I have been doing this as a kid, just a weird thing I noticed I can do. But I did work as a camera operator for videos and many of the times I'm shooting while on my knees, and walking on my knees, often even on concrete or gravel floor. No troubles.
This makes me question my weak 10th L , thats all I'm saying.
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Re: Dur Yoga
GNE,
Knees is one of the significations of 10h. It also represents living in foreign lands, debts. When there are adverse yoga and good yogas, the adverse yoga effects can manifest in the form of any signification of the house. Also there are a lot of hidden/secrets results.qualities which you may never come to know. There can be bad habits, secret addictions, obsessions. So be very careful when someone says that the effects are non-existent. They are non existent at a very high/materialistic level, they do not become a show stopper or bring your downfall which are very much visible.
Take a high ranking cabinet minister for example- such a person could be very successful on the outside but may be accepting bribes, using force to get his way, may have other character issues that no one may be aware of. They are results of bad yogas but all concealed.
So take a look at all significations of 10h and check if one suffered due to any one of these.
Knees is one of the significations of 10h. It also represents living in foreign lands, debts. When there are adverse yoga and good yogas, the adverse yoga effects can manifest in the form of any signification of the house. Also there are a lot of hidden/secrets results.qualities which you may never come to know. There can be bad habits, secret addictions, obsessions. So be very careful when someone says that the effects are non-existent. They are non existent at a very high/materialistic level, they do not become a show stopper or bring your downfall which are very much visible.
Take a high ranking cabinet minister for example- such a person could be very successful on the outside but may be accepting bribes, using force to get his way, may have other character issues that no one may be aware of. They are results of bad yogas but all concealed.
So take a look at all significations of 10h and check if one suffered due to any one of these.
Regards,
Ghrishneswar
Ghrishneswar