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Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by parijataka » 19 Feb 2014

Friends, what does Mars-Venus conjunction in a Rasi or Navamsa chart indicate, is it good or bad ? Does it act differently for male and female horoscope ? Is it good in any house and bad in some other house ?

Waiting for clarification from knowledgeable members !



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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by magicmouse » 21 Feb 2014

Who is Mars?
Let's talk about Mars. Mars is a soldier who stands for his beliefs. Wherever it is placed in your horoscope, you stand for those beliefs, and that's where you energy goes. Mars is energy. It's our will power and vitality. Mars represents our ability to take action towards something. It also represents the anger we carry within us, as a soldier needs to have a certain level of anger within him to fight and win the battle. In this day and age, Mars represents policemen, soldiers, athletes, warlords, arms dealers, and fighters, along with manufacturing, accidents, injuries, and dealing with explosives. Mars also represents male friends and the Sun represents royalty, so these people can be in contact with friends who are of a higher status in society, perhaps sons of politicians and celebrities.

Venus' passion and Mars’ energy produces a very sexual, seductive, and passionate lover, and someone who is dynamic in their approach to love and relationships. This is a relationship of a warrior and a princess. The energy of Venus is for better or worse. The condition has to be seen by who is stronger by sign placement and degree placement. If Venus is lower in degrees than Mars, then Venus will influence Mars more in the conjunction. If Mars has the lowest degrees, then Mars will control Venus; throwing his energy, roughness, and aggressive behavior on the princess. This is masculine and feminine energy coming together, which is a perfect blend of James Bond waiting at a bar looking tough and rugged yet the most desirable. He may be a military trained secret spy, but has a heart of gold.

Just like when the Sun brightens the qualities of other planets in conjunction, Mars infuses energy into the other planet. This infusing is not just for sexual purposes, but also professionally. It can enhance the quality of Venus which is related to acting, art, design, beauty, fashion, and hotel management. Or Venus can influence Mars by making Mars a bit more sexual, lovable, and calm in their approach to work, war, and ethics. You have to see who is winning the war, and by how much. The debilitation and exaltation in this factor of either planet can lead to two different spectrums of sexuality. One can make a person a sexual yet committed partner. On the flip side, it can show sexual abuse or someone who uses sex as their means of earning like prostitution, escort services, or even porn. To judge the effect of sexual transformation, one needs to look at the house and nakshatra placement of these planets.
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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by swamykool » 21 Feb 2014

Hi parijataka,

Mar-Ven conjunctions are usually bad for the native. This combination usually makes the native quite attractive and sometimes seductive to the opposite sex. But it also creates serious problems in either love or married life.

This combination is worst if it happens in an agni rashi (Mesh, Simha, Dhanu), in such a case for a male native wife beating becomes very much a possibility. For female natives this denotes suffering from spousal violence. But things can become considerably better if Jupi aspects the combination or its dispositor.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by parijataka » 21 Feb 2014

Hi Swamykool, does it make a difference if the conjunction is in navamsa or rashi chart ? I have observed this combination in 3 horoscopes - 2 male and 1 female. The first divorced and married happily a second time, the other two not married as yet a male horoscope with this in 12th house of rasi chart and female horoscope with combination in 11th house in navamsa. On a side note Bill Clinton is said to have Ve + Ma in his lagna.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by uspa » 21 Feb 2014

swamykool wrote:Hi parijataka,

Mar-Ven conjunctions are usually bad for the native. This combination usually makes the native quite attractive and sometimes seductive to the opposite sex. But it also creates serious problems in either love or married life.

This combination is worst if it happens in an agni rashi (Mesh, Simha, Dhanu), in such a case for a male native wife beating becomes very much a possibility. For female natives this denotes suffering from spousal violence. But things can become considerably better if Jupi aspects the combination or its dispositor.

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This is so true. I have Mars-Venus conjunct in Pisces and faced a lot of physical violence from my ex husband even though jupiter was aspecting it.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by karthik1984 » 21 Feb 2014

This combination makes the person attractive to opposite sex and has lot of sexual ambitions which he/she gets the chance to fulfill it. Very powerful Combination for sexual pleasures if it is placed in lagna .

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by swamykool » 21 Feb 2014

parijataka wrote:Hi Swamykool, does it make a difference if the conjunction is in navamsa or rashi chart ? I have observed this combination in 3 horoscopes - 2 male and 1 female. The first divorced and married happily a second time, the other two not married as yet a male horoscope with this in 12th house of rasi chart and female horoscope with combination in 11th house in navamsa. On a side note Bill Clinton is said to have Ve + Ma in his lagna.
parijataka,

If the combination is present in both D1 and D9 then it becomes worse. If it is present only in D1 the effect will be lessened. If only in D9, the effect will be negligible.

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These are the general rules for study. Otherwise every chart is unique and needs to studied in its entirety to draw proper conclusions.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by VioletTwilight » 21 Feb 2014

It is really strange for me anytime I hear Mars + Venus is usually bad for native. Theoretically, I agree to the underlying reasons for the outcomes, yet I have Mars+Venus in Mesha in 10th house and I didn't have any such outcomes. Not even Jupiter is looking at them.

This Mars+Venus conjunction carries to dasamsa in Taurus and has Mars and Venus parivartana in Navamsa between 7 and 8 houses. My profession is Mars related even though Venus is at a lower degree and vargottama. I had an early marriage and don't have any problems of love with my spouse.

I wonder what would be a protective influence.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by swamykool » 21 Feb 2014

VT,

As I said these are just theoretical rules. There are many more parameters that needs to be studied in a chart.

For instance for serious trouble the involvement of the 6th and/or 8th L needs to be there. Also the combination needs to be in a trik bhava from Shani.

This combination in the 4th H is much more troublesome because 4th H is the 10th fr 7th, i.e. the karma bhava of the 7th H.

While this combination in the 10th H is much less so - 10th is the 4th fr 7th, i.e. the Sukh Bhava of the 7th H. But some effect will be there that is connected to marriage.

In your case - you mentioned that the 10th H is Mesh, so the Lg would be Karka. So the 4th and 5th L is in an afflifctive combination in the 10th H (8th fr 5th). Without knowing the positions of the other planets, it can still be said that there might be some health problem to your first born. Which might cause you some mental distress.

Another point to note is how the dasha schemes work out. With Mar-Ven combo the person will be attractive throughout life 8) but trouble will only surface during certain dashas and antardashas. Now since this thing is mostly to do with conjugality, no harm will be done if the troublesome dashas happen very early (like pre puberty) or very late - after 60/65. These dashas do most harm when they happen between 20-45, sometimes 50.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by VioletTwilight » 21 Feb 2014

Dear SK,

Thanks for a detailed review. I agree to your point about first born giving emotional distress, but this would occur even without Mars+Venus given that Mars-Ketu are co-lords of 5th, 5th lord going to 8th from own house, and natural malefic 8th dristi to 5th (with Mars in Aries case). I think in general Karka lagna are advised to expect older, serious spouses and spacey, disconnected first-borns (there can be chart-specific mitigating factors, of course).

What would be some of the dasa and antardasa patterns to test out the effect of Mars+Venus?
I think the obvious ones would be Mars/Venus and Venus/Mars. Since you mentioned 6th, 8th lords involvement, would you suggest Mars or Venus AD in those MDs? Or, 6th or 8th lord AD in Mars or Venus MD?

You have also mentioned worst case placement from Saturn. Are there any best case placements?

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by swamykool » 22 Feb 2014

What would be some of the dasa and antardasa patterns to test out the effect of Mars+Venus?
I think the obvious ones would be Mars/Venus and Venus/Mars. Since you mentioned 6th, 8th lords involvement, would you suggest Mars or Venus AD in those MDs? Or, 6th or 8th lord AD in Mars or Venus MD?

You have also mentioned worst case placement from Saturn. Are there any best case placements?
Hi VT,

For Dasha schemes the Nk position of Moon is the most important, because Vimshottari dasha is calculated from the Nk of Moon. In this context, if the native is born with moon in the Nk of Ven (Bharani, PPh and PSh) then he/she will be born in the MD of Ven. That way much of the trouble would be avoided as Ven has the longest dasha in vimshottari - 20 yrs. Thus most of it would be spent in childhood and early teen, when the vicious effects cannot show.

How troublesome a dasha would be is calculated through the afflictions upon the combination. As I have mentioned trik bhavas from shani plus involvement of the 6th and/or 8th Ls...so you keep adding the afflictions like a+b+c+d...and so forth. Just note this, more the number of afflictions - more troublesome the dasha. Lesser the afflictions less troublesome.

So if a chart has just Mar-Ven combo but none of the afflictions then it will hardly sting - the native will just be a hotsy totsy with minor scuffles with the spouse from time to time.

I have given only a very few of the possible afflictions, there are many more and the bhangas for them are equally numerous.

Regarding Shani - there is a rule that if there is a planet in the 6/8/12th from shani, the dasha of that planet turns out to be troublesome. However how troublesome would depend upon the condition of Shani. If Shani is strong, in a good bhava, Lords good bhavs and is aspected by benefics - then he would give only minor irritations and not serious trouble.

Likewise if a planet is in the 5th or 9th from Shani - dasha of that planet is usually good. Again how good depends upon the condition of shani.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by VioletTwilight » 28 Feb 2014

swamykool wrote:
What would be some of the dasa and antardasa patterns to test out the effect of Mars+Venus?
I think the obvious ones would be Mars/Venus and Venus/Mars. Since you mentioned 6th, 8th lords involvement, would you suggest Mars or Venus AD in those MDs? Or, 6th or 8th lord AD in Mars or Venus MD?

You have also mentioned worst case placement from Saturn. Are there any best case placements?
Hi VT,

For Dasha schemes the Nk position of Moon is the most important, because Vimshottari dasha is calculated from the Nk of Moon. In this context, if the native is born with moon in the Nk of Ven (Bharani, PPh and PSh) then he/she will be born in the MD of Ven. That way much of the trouble would be avoided as Ven has the longest dasha in vimshottari - 20 yrs. Thus most of it would be spent in childhood and early teen, when the vicious effects cannot show.

How troublesome a dasha would be is calculated through the afflictions upon the combination. As I have mentioned trik bhavas from shani plus involvement of the 6th and/or 8th Ls...so you keep adding the afflictions like a+b+c+d...and so forth. Just note this, more the number of afflictions - more troublesome the dasha. Lesser the afflictions less troublesome.

So if a chart has just Mar-Ven combo but none of the afflictions then it will hardly sting - the native will just be a hotsy totsy with minor scuffles with the spouse from time to time.

I have given only a very few of the possible afflictions, there are many more and the bhangas for them are equally numerous.

Regarding Shani - there is a rule that if there is a planet in the 6/8/12th from shani, the dasha of that planet turns out to be troublesome. However how troublesome would depend upon the condition of Shani. If Shani is strong, in a good bhava, Lords good bhavs and is aspected by benefics - then he would give only minor irritations and not serious trouble.

Likewise if a planet is in the 5th or 9th from Shani - dasha of that planet is usually good. Again how good depends upon the condition of shani.

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Dear SK,

Thanks for the explanation.
I thought Moon in Moon or Mars Nakshatra would be better as Venus won't show up again until very very old and Mars MD won't be teenage. But Venus Nk will bring out Mars MD in the difficult age.
So, it looks like Venus MD is worse than Mars MD.

Thanks again for giving details on Saturn influence.
Best regards,
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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by swamykool » 28 Feb 2014

Hi VT,

On a different note, here we have discussed only the negetive side of this combination, which are many. But this combination has a lot of positive sides too. it confers different kinds of enjoyments, and many other things. If the dasha comes very late in life, no doubt the native will avoid much of the trouble but will also miss out on the fun.

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swamykool wrote:


Regarding Shani - there is a rule that if there is a planet in the 6/8/12th from shani, the dasha of that planet turns out to be troublesome. However how troublesome would depend upon the condition of Shani. If Shani is strong, in a good bhava, Lords good bhavs and is aspected by benefics - then he would give only minor irritations and not serious trouble.

Likewise if a planet is in the 5th or 9th from Shani - dasha of that planet is usually good. Again how good depends upon the condition of shani.

SK
SK,

How does retrogression affect the results?

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Post by swamykool » 01 Mar 2014

ojas,

Retro shani is usually not very good.
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swamykool wrote:ojas,

Retro shani is usually not very good.
Thank you for responding. Since this does not come under the purview of the thread subject, I will create a new topic for Retro shani. I hope you will elaborate more on that thread, having read your past contributions on this forum.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by garima » 17 Mar 2014

Dear members
there is one more eg of mars ven . Cancer lagna
details r -23/03/2011,13:14pm, ghaziabad, female. This combination is in 8 h.
She is very introvert n shy but gets angry very much. Any predictions for her??
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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by pridif » 19 Mar 2014

Hi friends,

Regards to the subject, I am Cancer ascendant. I have Mars+Venus conjunction in the ascendant, having jupiter, saturn, ketu aspect on. And i do have this conjunction in Navamsa but in Navamsa i have Mars+Venus+Ketu in pisces.
Personally, to be frank, I am very sensual but at the same time loving, caring nature at times bad tempered too but never in situation to violate or abuse anyone.
In terms of relationship, yes i really had hard times. I had 3 relationships before which didn't last long and i realize do realize that i always end up with the wrong one, literally to say all those who i dated they cheated on me. I always wonder is it because of the debilitated mars energy influences venus or because of my venus retrograde?? :?
Since i have saturn, jupiter and ketu aspect on mars+venus, its always looks unpredictable for me.

Guys please throw some input for my case, i would really appreciate that!
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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

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Pridif,

I think you got it right: Venus retro and it’s being afflicted by 2 malefics have resulted in your three break-ups so far. Jupiter’s aspect is there, too, on it. That’s a slight protection, I will say. You may get into a relationship again after June 2014.

Did you fall in love in any of these periods: mid-September—mid-December 2010, mid-June—mid-September 2011, mid-March—mid-June 2012, mid-December 2012—mid-March 2013?

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by pridif » 22 Mar 2014

Hi Orange Man,

May 2013 Dasa ->SUN/VE/SA

Previously, an astrologer told me that i might get married to a different race or maybe could be foreigner and he said after Jupiter transit in to Cancer.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by Orange-Man » 22 Mar 2014

Hi Pridif,

Sun-Venus-Saturn period show connection, I agree. Venus is aspecting the 7th house, and Saturn is the 7th lord in your birth chart.

I will say after Jupiter transits to Cancer and Saturn to Scorpio marriage can happen, as then, both these planets will aspect your 7th house. About marriage with a foreigner, the astrologer said so, I think, because your 7th lord is in the nakshatra of Rahu, which signifies foreigners.

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by pridif » 23 Mar 2014

Hi Orange-man

It really make sense to me.

But i have another question about the Mars ans Saturn mutual aspect
where by Mars debilitated and Saturn exalted. Satrun is the cause of Neech bhang Mars
As i see the Mars is the yogakarka not only has NBRY but it also causing a Raja yoga with venus and aslo saturn with its mutual aspect.
But as in general we do understand Mars-Saturn are enemy but as far in this alignment the temporary relationship is friendly.

What probably would probably be my destine rice bowl for me in your opinion?

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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by Orange-Man » 23 Mar 2014

Pridf,

Saturn-Mars mutual aspect is never good and Venus being involved in it, it will give problems in love/marriage. Venus-Mars combination is good for wealth and career success and also for gains from property. It shows being good in academic life, too. And it will make you romantic, artistic, and good looking. Mars being debiliated and Saturn's aspecting being there, success in career will come through some struggle and after some delay but it will come all right. Academic life may have seen some disturbance, too, but overall it should have been good.
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Re: Mars + Venus conjunction

Post by lakshmi01 » 26 Mar 2014

Namasthe Swamikool garu,

My son has Venus +Mars in 6th house in rashi chart.

Is this bad or good for his chart and his details are

17th september 1996
time 17 44 hrs
Place Vijayawada,India.
Please tell me if there is any effect in his chart.

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