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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by Humannature » 21 Dec 2011

astroboy wrote:Jemsmiles, Thank you for your kind words. There is more to matching than just Guna Milan points. I will explain it later.
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I have the same request.
Please write up something on papasamya calculation, how papa points are calculated etc.
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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by astroboy » 21 Dec 2011

Papasamya

Papasamya is a method in Astrology to calculate the Dosha in a Horoscope. This is an important Tool for Astrologers, to work out the amount of Dosha present in the boy and girls horoscope. This is also known as Doshasamya.

Papasamya is extremely important because the Papa (dosha) Comparison is arrived at by assigning points to the position of Kuja, Shani, Rahu, Ketu and Ravi with respect to Lagna, chandra as well as Shukra.


Saturn, Rahu, Kethu, Mars and Sun are the Grahas which could trouble a Person depending upon it's Position and Strength in a Horoscope. When these 5 planets are in 1-2-4-7-8-&12th places from Lagna, Chandra & Sukra, they create a certain amount of problem,(Dosha). The ferocity of the Dosha depends upon it's strength in these houses, such as a Friend or enemy , (Uccha) (Neecha) - Ruler or Equal. The total amount of Dosha for the Girl and Boy has to be calculated at the time of Horoscope Comparison for a marriage. If the Dosha index is more for the Girl than the Boy, marriage will not be recommended. When the Dosha index is more for the Boy or it is Equal for Both marriage will be recommended. There are several methods to work out the Dosha Index.

At least there are 5 methods in Astrology to calculate the Dosha Index as indicated below.
1. Equal points and Equal weightage method.
2. Equal Points and Unequal weightage method.
3. Unequal Points and Equal weightage method.
4. Unequal Points Unequal Weightage Method.
5. Point System considering Planetary Friendship and Positional Strength.
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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 21 Dec 2011

StellarAstrologer wrote:I hesitated to answer the native, as in nadi astrology, when two people are in love, they will never match or see charts. I did prashna today and with cancer lagna that I just got, there is no doubt the query is regarding marriage and/or your business.

Technically speaking dhoom - you are already mentally married since 2010 beginning. But looking at your chart you are in moon dasha, rahu bhukti and my prediction is that you will be married in march or april 2012, to a decent level headed person. do not learn astrology or seek astrological guidance is my sincere advise. be the best in what you do and read the book Self-Unfoldment by Swami Chinmayananda. What you need is some peace and time to reflect your next step slowly and not internet astrology. if you were to be in US, I would have Fedexed the book to you. Good luck and all the best..
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Didn't get what you meant by "mentally married since 2010 beginning". Me and my parents are frantically looking for a match for quite some years, but no success yet. There was no one in my life in 2010 beginning. Even the guy I am speaking of, came to my life only in May 2011. As per feedback received in this forum, it won't be wise for me to marry him either.

So where will I get a groom to marry within just 3-4 months?? It takes at least some time for both the families to interact and get prepared for marriage.

Besides I am in USA now for at least the next 2 months. Thus I don't see any prospect of marriage in the near future......even different astrologers were/are making different predictions about my marriage..... Request you to predict something feasible and HONEST.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by StellarAstrologer » 21 Dec 2011

go back to india in april time frame and get married. this is what i am predicting based on your chart. normally i verify a chart for 2 hrs and fix the time, but predicting this based / assuming the time is correct. this is an excellent time for your marriage with jupiter blessing you. worst case it might get delayed till november 2012. in sanskrit there is saying " rinanubhada roopena pasu pati suta aalaya" major things such as spouse, house, kids are destined.
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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 21 Dec 2011

StellarAstrologer wrote:go back to india in april time frame and get married. this is what i am predicting based on your chart. normally i verify a chart for 2 hrs and fix the time, but predicting this based / assuming the time is correct. this is an excellent time for your marriage with jupiter blessing you. worst case it might get delayed till november 2012.
Do you see any chances of divorce in my horoscope, in near or distant future?

---DhoomDhoom

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by Anjaneya » 21 Dec 2011

Dhoom-2, You are not even married and asking for chances of divorce.
Once native crosses 28, my community just matches Nadi and Maitri in which you have full points 8 & 5 respectively. Even manglik dosh is said to be cancelled after 28.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by P.Srinivas. Rao » 22 Dec 2011

Both the horoscopes gets compatibility, but the Girl have little dosha in her horoscope and she should do the parihara like ----Sarpa shanthi, Mangalya shanthi before getting married. This should be done before the marriage and also after the marriage ie:- within 3 months immediately after the marriage.
Otherwise ur marriage may delayed or difficult.

My sincere advise is get married to the reasonable boy , dont be choosy . I find in ur horoscope, u prefer the person who is wealthy .As it is ur mother might be too worried about ur marriage.

Agaath karaka Ketu is not a good sign in 7th house,In navamsha also ketu is in lagna with Shukra and Rahu in 7th,
Karak Shukra is balaheena --neecha and VAKRA,
7th lord with Kuja ,
Ketu in Kuja nakshatra , Kuja in 2nd with Shani. So Kuja dosha is there even if the Kuja is yoga karaka ,that is why said Sarpa shanthi and mangalya shanthi as parihar
Both Chandra and Lagnas 7th lord Shani is with Kuja and in Ravi nakshatra . Ravi is in 12th dwiswabhava rashi
6th house nakshatradipathi ketu in 7th,
Shani and kuja are in 4th from Shukra,
Shani+ Chandra yoga in 2nd ,
Shani+ Kuja yoga in 2nd ,
Chandra in Visha amsha along with Kuja and Shani,
Kuja and shukra in nakshatra parivartana,
Shani aspects Shukra both in Rashi and in Navamsha,
7th lord and Lagna lord are not mitras and hence for this lagna the relationship is always so,so.
Usually Boys nakshatra should be after 14 nakshatra from Girls nakshatra , otherwise it will hamper the overall development after marriage.
Urs is Swayamkratha aparadha jataka ------ U wont listen others advise, u find difficult after some time from ur own action. I find LOVE RELATIONSHIP in ur jataka but take the right decision

This is only a glance , u have wonderful years ahead and ur jataka is also good . But do the parihara as early as possible otherwise it may not allow u to get married or even if u marry ,there might be break and it wont last long. God bless u
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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by R V RAMANAN » 23 Dec 2011

Dear all:
The original question from DhoomDhoom was that whether she can get married to the boy whose details she had posted. When you reply, pls try to answer her question whether she can get married to him and if not when will she get married.

There has been a lot of digression from the topic which usually ends up in meaningless debates.

Pls dont make it a podium for socio-economic reforms. Probably this is not the domain.

Hope you will co-operate.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by Narayan » 23 Dec 2011

Dear Ramana:

Ample reply has been given with regards to Dhoom Dhoom's marriage chances. In fact, it is because of her repeated asking only, this thread has come thus far. I know her anxiety as a woman, but then can't help it as fate has already written things due to her previous karmas as there are more than two or more issues. Sorry to say so.

Doing Sarpa Shanti will not give permanent solution. It will give solution only temporarily or else one has to keep it doing and performing once in every 2 months or so till end of life. I do not know whether the problem is really due to Sarpa, but definitely it is due to some karma related issues from previous.

I think she has some karmic problems related to father from previous birth as well. Her father was in her 4th house, and sun pithra karaka in 3rd house from D-60 and I think she might have enjoyed that as well and what happened here on D-1 in current body, her sun is in 12th and also Jupiter became 6th lord. Though Jupiter is also 9th lord, he is also 6th lord which comes first. Her pleasure anubhava lord venus is totally combust to that sun in 12th in present birth, so Rahu will give mostly material things to her father.

Another more serious issue, the guru is also under the mouth of Rahu and Kethu. Guru cannot escape her as he needs permission of Rahu and Kethu. If Rahu and Kethu has to permit, karma must end completely.

Her anubhava sthana lord is not going to allow for marriage or even by chance if married, it might not prolong as there is a huge problem in 2nd house, i.e. Kudumba Sthana.

So, there are more than one or two issues. She must not be choosy, she must accept a husband who likes her and she must serve her husband sincerely.

Above and all, Rahu indicates a person with eye on material things. Kethu indicates a person with spiritual pursuit. Her husband will likely have a spiritual blend, not only from D-1, but also from D-9 and that's the reason why unknowingly, she ended up in a boyfriend who has such combinations in his horoscope as well indicating to Pravarja yoga.

So, I have no idea as to how these two are going to be hand in hand?

There is only one permanent solution, to make Parameshwara prathyaksha and only he can rewrote things and he is the only adhipathi for a permanent solution to this. So, pray and pray to Lord Shiva or else keep doing Sarpa Shanti whole life at regular intervals.

Regards,


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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 23 Dec 2011

Many thanks P.Srinivas. Rao and Narayan for suggesting some solutions to my problem.

I believe that everything in life happens for a reason and we are exactly where we deserve to be. The only reason I sometimes feel very depressed is that I haven't commited any crime/harm to anyone in my entire life. I have always given life my best shot. Then why me? Why should I suffer for a crime I haven't committed? Thats the root cause for my frustration and anxiety resulting in asking of all these nagging questions repeatedly. Sorry if I have offended anyone.......But I know time and age are the best healers. Hope they will heal my sorrows and I am ready to accept life as it comes.

Just one last question before I draw curtains to this thread: How, when, where and who should perform Parameshwara prathyaksha, Sarpa Shanti and Mangalya shanthi? Please throw some light about the rituals.

Thanks again to everyone.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by Narayan » 23 Dec 2011

Dear Dhoom Dhoom:

"The only reason I sometimes feel very depressed is that I haven't commited any crime/harm to anyone in my entire life. I have always given life my best shot. Then why me? Why should I suffer for a crime I haven't committed"

You were telling about your present life, but your present worries and problems are interlinked to your own doing from past birth, not present one. It works always like that to the point that we get a body, face, legs, abdomen etc. even to the tunes of our karma and the balance we have in the a/c from births and births of both punya and papa. Fate does not punish anyone without any reason, please kindly understand this. The intensity of the punishment depends upon the intensity of the action one has done.

For example, say suppose one has defamed the other person in the past purposefully with he/she not done anything wrong. The person who defamed the other person has to get back the punishment with interest in the present till he/she gets back the same, that's how it works. Reaction for an action done, that is what is called as Karma. The intensity of the punishment the same person getting back can be lowered by devata aradhana and other pariharas, but then the karma will not go away till time it gets back to him/her. It will always keep revolving around him/her till he/she also understands that he/she has no right to punish anybody in this earth.

"Just one last question before I draw curtains to this thread: How, when, where and who should perform Parameshwara prathyaksha"

I can highly understand your concerns and worries, but what can one do? Having said that, please pray to Lord Shiva whenever u have time and keep doing remembering Lord Shiva. Just start chanting Om Namah Shivayaha in ur mind constantly and keep remembering him always. As time goes by, u will understand blessings of Shiva when u do it constantly and regularly on long run.

If you are planning to do Sarpa Shanti, please ask respected Raoji about the same. I have no idea about it.

Please remember one thing in mind, in case you are getting married, please make sure you serve your husband sincerely as there is need for that in your current birth.

Regards,

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 29 Feb 2012

Hi All,

Just wanted to inform you all that the guy about whom we discussed in this thread had already got married to the girl of his father's choice on 11th December 2011, even before I started this thread. I came to know about it today only. Of course he didn't inform me; infact he was still making false promises about marrying me, but my mother discovered this information from some other source.

It is vey much clear now that he was just treating me as his "time-pass" and I got cheated and betrayed by this dual-faced serpent. May God punish him for his actions.

---DhoomDhoom

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Re: To elope or not to elope

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by DhoomDhoom » Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:47 am
Hi All,
Just wanted to inform you all that the guy about whom we discussed in this thread had already got married to the girl of his father's choice on 11th December 2011, even before I started this thread. I came to know about it today only. Of course he didn't inform me; infact he was still making false promises about marrying me, but my mother discovered this information from some other source.
It is vey much clear now that he was just treating me as his "time-pass" and I got cheated and betrayed by this dual-faced serpent. May God punish him for his actions.
---DhoomDhoom
by astroboy » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:28 pm
Dhoom Dhoom,
You want a straight answer?

by DhoomDhoom » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:36 pm
Yes offcourse I want an honest answer, but only if you are 100% sure about it.


by astroboy » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:21 pm

Dhoom Dhoom,

That is why I asked you if you want a straight answer. There are two things that affect a human's life. These two elements are fate and free will. Fate says, In my opinion, that he cannot carry this on his head. Now free will, Is not in any astrologers control. And this is why, a astrologer cannot be 100 pct sure about anything.

If the man you love, thinks that he ""loves you"", then he might actually pull it off and might even be with you till the end. Astrologically, I see a slim chance that he can carry out this ""elopement"". That is, if he actually manages to pull it off. assuming he does, he will end up ditching you, when he is put under stress.

If you want a analysis of the Boys chart, I shall give you a step by step analysis, as to why you cant trust the man you love ............. provided you as a poster are being honest with me.

This is the internet. Who posts whose chart is not known to the astrologer. We all assume that you are truthful, and then the astrologers on this forum base their predictions on your questions and the feedback they get. It's the same when you go to a doctor. Stand in front of a renowed specialist who has a degree from the Padua university in Italy and then ask that doctor ""what is wrong with me"", and he will say ""tell me whats happening to you."", If you go into a coma or faint, they will subject you to different tests till they arrive at a conclusion. Astrology is based on a true feed back from the seeker.

It is my honest opinion that you call this off. In case you still think that there is a chance, or that I might be wrong, Then I shall give you a analysis of why, I think, you should call this off. Its a open forum, anyone can counter me. But in my View, you are treading a thorny and narrow path.
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Re: To elope or not to elope

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by astroboy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:56 am

Dhoom Dhoom,

What concerns me about the boy’s horoscope is the position of the Moon. Chandra is the significator of the mind. This Chandra is debilitated and is aspected by the 6th lord Shani. Chandra is caught between Ketu and Kuja. Thus the Moon is hammered from all sides. This Moon is in the Nakashatra of Budha. That is the saving grace for him. Budha is exalted in the Moons Nakashatra. This exchange of Nakshatras is both good and bad. He is normal.......... until he is put under stress. When stressed, you can see the cracks beginning to appear. Apply continuous mental pressure on him, and he will come crashing down like a pack of cards.

You never know what is in the boys mind. He is a dual thinker who will say one thing and do exactly the opposite. The Lagna is caught between two malefics Rahu and Shani. The three benefics in this horoscope Guru, Ravi and Shukra are again caught between Rahu and Shani. There is nothing which shows that he can battle his father, swim against the negative tides that will crop up with elopment, and carry you across to the other side. When stressed, he will crash for sure. The next thing you know, he will be with daddy, and you will be nowhere.

There are some positive points in the horoscope. Guru is in the Lagna and is unaspected by any malefic. He is in the Lagna Lord Ravi's Nakashatra. But you cannot take this as an absolute positive because Guru is the 8th lord and Ravi is in Mrityu avasta. He really can’t do much. He has ideals and wants to carry out his promise to you, but in the back of his mind, he is not sure he can pull it off. He lacks that recklessness to do things on the spur of the moment. Shani's aspect on the Moon gives him a cautious and cunning nature, all other factors being equal. Shani is a scardy cat and will not venture to do things recklessly. He will always think twice before doing anything.

Budha as the 2nd and the 11th lord, Kuja as the 4th and the 9th lord placed in Pushkaraamsha are the two biggest assets in this horoscope. That he will have all the wealth and good fortune can be seen in the horoscope. He is a lucky guy for sure. But all that can be brushed aside because I am most concerned about the state of his mind.

Thus, it is my advice that you break this relationship and get on with your life.
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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by Ram.qa » 01 Mar 2012

Great predictions Astroboy Ji!!! You are simply amazing:)

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by Narayan » 01 Mar 2012

Really sorry Dhoom Dhoom. I sometimes become more blind irrespect of the blindness I already had and talk like a mad person. Please kindly forgive me. I do not know what happens to me at times that I talk so foolishly. So, please and please forgive. I can reassure it wont happen again.

Thanks and best wishes for your early marriage. I will pray for you as a beggar to almighty to get you married to your liking partner.

All the best wishes for your marriage

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by Talib » 01 Mar 2012

Narayan wrote:It is your Karma from previous birth. Moreover, in this life time as well, instead of doing good karmas, you have already created more papa karmas, which I know
Narayan Ji,
Narayan wrote:which I know.
Who knows Narayan Ji.

I think you have known the mystery of wt is good and bad karma, nice and wrong doings.

Please get control on you Narayan ji. A friendly advise.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by astroboy » 01 Mar 2012

Agree with you fully Talib bhai. On one hand he is immersed in the spiritual, and on the other ............. here he is .........
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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 01 Mar 2012

Narayan wrote: It is your Karma from previous birth. Moreover, in this life time as well, instead of doing good karmas, you have already created more papa karmas, which I know.
Narayan ji,
I would like to know the papa karmas which you think I had created in this birth, so that I can mend my ways for a better future. Because as per me I had lead an honest, sincere and hard-working life till now.
Narayan wrote: Didnt you tell N number of lies in this birth? Why are you then acting as a nice woman over here? What you sow, so you reap.
What made you so sure that I had told N number of lies this birth? A person tells lies when there is something shady or something to hide in his life or surroundings. I have had a good life till now: a good academic career, good professional life, good and supporting parents. Only marriage has remained a distant dream. What do I have to lie about? To whom and why?

And what about the N number of lies of this guy who made me lose 10 precious months of my life with his false promises of marriage? How is he leading such a rocking and successful life? Why doesn't his karma punish him suitably?
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Post by uniquev » 01 Mar 2012

A great analysis by Astroboy ji, :) kudos to you Sir.

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Post by milredr » 01 Mar 2012

It is your Karma from previous birth. Moreover, in this life time as well, instead of doing good karmas, you have already created more papa karmas, which I know.

Didnt you tell N number of lies in this birth? Why are you then acting as a nice woman over here? What you sow, so you reap.
Narayan do u know this lady for u to comment this way? or u have assumed u r GOD? Pl avoid writing rubbish like this. Its neither in good taste nor appreciated.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by Narayan » 01 Mar 2012

Really sorry everybody. For one minute, I really became blind. I am a very normal person and talked so foolishly which I did not do most of the times. The ego really got on top of me and made me blind and I lost control virtually. So, once again really sorry.

So thanks to everybody who did tolerate me and giving advises to me.

Once again sorry

Narayanan
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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by krishnagopal1968 » 01 Mar 2012

Dear Narayan ji,

If you could have replied "Sorry, it was my ego speaking" , would have solved the whole issue, instead of a lengthy answer.

don't say good bye. no body blamed you but just one aspect of you. all liked you and that's why responded to you.

let us drop these too much emphasize on karma aka marma things !!

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by krishnagopal1968 » 02 Mar 2012

Narayan ji,

you are neither a fraud nor a mad egoistic person. Why are you belittling yourself? just some wrong understanding, that's all.

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