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To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 17 Dec 2011

Hi all,

I am a girl torn apart between a strange decision in my life - to elope or not to elope......

Both me and my boyfriend love each other very much. We both have very high income. I am a Computer Engineer and he is a businessman. According to Vedic compatibility match we have a very high compatibility score (33 out of 36). But the problem is that the boy's father is strongly opposed to our marriage since he is not satisfied with my outer appearance/looks. The boy is very handsome. Also I have stammering problem. The boy's father has almost finalized his son's marriage with another girl. But the boy is adamant and is ready to elope and get our marriage registered. I request the learned members of this forum to suggest whether it will be a wise move to elope or not? Whether we can really register our marriage or he himself will back-out from his plan and the relatonship will end in disappointment? I am already 31 years old and am sure I won't get a better groom at this age if I lose him. I have found a real soulmate in him after years of disappointment in partner search. Please suggest whether we should dive. Even if we get married will the bond last or will he be forced to divorce me due to family-pressure?

If we really can't get married, do you see any chance for me to ever get married and have a child? Or my life is destined to doom forever? I am extremely worried.


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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by R V RAMANAN » 17 Dec 2011

Dear Dhoom dhoom,

Please do not run the risk of eloping with him.Though your navamsa chart is extremely powerful your boyfriends chart indicates that his first marriage may end by september 2012.Why take a risk.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 17 Dec 2011

Hi Ramanan,

Can u explain what exactly in my boyfriend's chart made you conclude that his first marriage may end by September 2012?

Also what do u predict about my marriage and future?

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Post by anuradha » 17 Dec 2011

Dear Dhoom Dhoom, I feel even if I say'' No'' you will get married to him for sure. anu
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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 17 Dec 2011

R V RAMANAN wrote:Dear Dhoom dhoom,

Please do not run the risk of eloping with him.Though your navamsa chart is extremely powerful your boyfriends chart indicates that his first marriage may end by september 2012.Why take a risk.

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Hi Ramanan,
Exactly what in my boyfriend's horoscope made you think that his first marriage may end by Sepetember 2012?

And what is ur prediction regarding my marriage and family-life? When can I get married? How many kids and when? Plz throw some light.

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Post by R V RAMANAN » 17 Dec 2011

Dear Dhoom dhoom,

He is presently running venus/saturn .Venus is a melefic for his lagna and saturn is the 6th and 7th lord.Saturn placed in the second , that is the eighth to the seventh indicates death of marriage.More over saturn is combust here.

For you in Moon/Jupiter ,from end 2012 to april 2014 you are likely to get married and you will have one son from that marriage.

Pray to lord shiva daily for a smooth life.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 17 Dec 2011

Thanks RAMANAN for the explainantion.
But I had consulted some astrologers and they said my boyfriend will get married in 2012 to a pretty girl from a wealthy family and lead a happy, contended and smooth-sailing life. They said there is absolutely no chance of divorce in his life. HE WILL MARRY ONLY ONCE.
But I am quite confused with my case: When I was younger, astrologers used to say I will get married between 26-28 yrs age. But nothing happened......Now some say I will get married at 32, some say at 33. Some astrologers say I have Kalsharpa dosha, others say I don't. Are they just hood-winking me?

But u say I will get married by end of 2012 to april 2014. Can u say what will be the profession, family-background, economic condition, etc of my husband? And will I have a healthy son, since a baby after 34 is quite risky.

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Post by astroboy » 17 Dec 2011

Dhoom Dhoom,

Who told you that You have a K.S.Y. ? Your D.O.B. is june 18th 1980, is that correct? Let me re assure you that you do not have a K.S.Y. in your chart. Who ever is saying that you do, is just hood winking you.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by Narayan » 17 Dec 2011

DEAR DHOOM DHOOM:

YOU DO NOT HAVE K.S.Y. The Problem for your marriage is both in D-1 and D-9, you have Rahu and Kethu as nodes which from time to time creates blocks for successful completion of an event. This does not mean that you will not have marriage, but it is somewhat difficult because in 2nd house, there stands Gulika or GK and that might be the reason, your 3rd lord Mercury is in 12th, which is more important to have materialistic experience. It seems you are born under the influence of Kethu with Aswani-Magha-Moolam combination with Sukhla Sashthi Thiti that too on Wednesday indicating Mercury.

Now, secondly in your D-1, there are four planets in second house. These will always be fighting against one another...They cannot express their own strength as they are all in one house fighting against each other.

Now, see most importantly, your third lord Mercury is in 12th house along with 2nd lord sun. He is otherwise called as Lord of Anubhava or Anubhava Sthana Lord or called a lord of experience. Since you are born under the influence of Kethu, I am not sure whether it can give u materailistic experience. Moreover, the pleasure lord Venus is Vakri, there again, not able to give u the result Properly and also jhora shows it is combust.

Definitely, It will give you lots of money, but I am not sure whether it will give you other materialistic happiness since Mercury is in 12th plus Venus an indicator of marriage combust and Vakra plus Moon and Mars with other two planets not able to function properly along with GK.

If you have to taste something, you need this 3rd house and 3rd lord in your favor, but he is not. So, before you taste, it will slip away before reaching your mouth, this should be your experience.

The problem you are now having is due to your Past births. Your past birth shows 7th lord in Badha Sthana and in 7th house is Gulika, Venus in 6th house Vakri and your 10th lord Moon in 12th, karma not done.

Your Date of birth total comes to 6, which indicates Venus indicating finger to previous birth and present venus position in your chart and that is exactly the reason why u had difficulties in finding a mate till date.

But, still, to materialize or to experience, taht 3rd lord should favor u. So, I am not sure how it is going to work out.

"I have found a real soulmate in him after years of disappointment in partner search."

Yes, it seems so as u both have some similarities with jupiter and Gk and some other as well, but still have to wait is what I think.

I am not an astrologer, but then I have told what I know. May God bless you to lit up your marriage and love life soon.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 17 Dec 2011

Narayanan,

I am not at all proficient with astrology, thus unable to understand how can karma of past life affect my present destiny? We have only one life, right?

Most importantly, do you mean to say that my boyfriend will back-out from the idea of eloping and will marry according to his father's choice? If that is the case, can you (or anyone) provide me an honest answer excatly when can I get married, if at all? Because, if I am destined to remain unmarried life-long, I don't want to waste time anymore and even ready to go in for adoption. It is extremely disturbing to lead this aimless life. Will I succeed in adopting a baby or will face hurdles at that frontier too?

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Post by astroboy » 17 Dec 2011

Dhoom Dhoom,
You want a straight answer?
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astroboy wrote:Dhoom Dhoom,
You want a straight answer?

Yes offcourse I want an honest answer, but only if you are 100% sure about it.

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Post by astroboy » 17 Dec 2011

Dhoom Dhoom,

That is why I asked you if you want a straight answer. There are two things that affect a human's life. These two elements are fate and free will. Fate says, In my opinion, that he cannot carry this on his head. Now free will, Is not in any astrologers control. And this is why, a astrologer cannot be 100 pct sure about anything.

If the man you love, thinks that he ""loves you"", then he might actually pull it off and might even be with you till the end. Astrologically, I see a slim chance that he can carry out this ""elopement"". That is, if he actually manages to pull it off. assuming he does, he will end up ditching you, when he is put under stress.

If you want a analysis of the Boys chart, I shall give you a step by step analysis, as to why you cant trust the man you love ............. provided you as a poster are being honest with me.

This is the internet. Who posts whose chart is not known to the astrologer. We all assume that you are truthful, and then the astrologers on this forum base their predictions on your questions and the feedback they get. It's the same when you go to a doctor. Stand in front of a renowed specialist who has a degree from the Padua university in Italy and then ask that doctor ""what is wrong with me"", and he will say ""tell me whats happening to you."", If you go into a coma or faint, they will subject you to different tests till they arrive at a conclusion. Astrology is based on a true feed back from the seeker.

It is my honest opinion that you call this off. In case you still think that there is a chance, or that I might be wrong, Then I shall give you a analysis of why, I think, you should call this off. Its a open forum, anyone can counter me. But in my View, you are treading a thorny and narrow path.

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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 17 Dec 2011

Thanks, many thanks astroboy for this straight-cut answer. I always knew that the boy won't be able to make it since he is in father's business and have to abide by his father's orders.

But just out of curiosity I would like to know the step by step analysis of what is wrong in the boy's chart and why can't I trust the man I love? You can even email me if you consider it better, instead of posting in this open forum.

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Post by subramanianp » 18 Dec 2011

Hi DhoomDhoom
There is a chathurgrahayoga in the boys BHAVA chart which denots Pravraja (sanyasa).
He is less inclined towards married life .
However your chandra rasi and the boys chandra rasi are mutually in trikonas.
Thats why he likes you.
But he maynot be able to perform as a successful husband.
Rest is up to you.
Respond to the situations as it come to you.
all the best.
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Re: To elope or not to elope

Post by DhoomDhoom » 18 Dec 2011

@subramanianp
My boyfriend and "sanyasa"??!!! Hehehe.....you made me laugh!! Why would the only handsome son of a rich businessman practice sanyasa?? Girls are ready to die for him!! He too is extremely keen to settle down within early/middle 2012. His marriage is also almost finalized......I am ready to accept that he won't marry me, but can't accept your comment that he is less inclined towards married life.


@All
Can anyone say what will be the education, profession, family-background, economic condition, etc of my husband if at all I can ever get married? And will I have a healthy baby since I am getting no younger with each passing day?
But if I am really unable to get married, will my initiative of adopting a baby end in success?


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Post by astroboy » 18 Dec 2011

First things first, let us see if there is a match as per the traditional system of matching, I shall match charts using the Kerala System,

Compatibility between Birth Stars

Rasi - Not satisfactory
Rasyadhipathi - Not satisfactory
Vasya - Not satisfactory
Mahendra - Not satisfactory
Gana - Good
Yoni - Not satisfactory
Dina - Good
Deergha - Not satisfactory



Dosha (Absence of Dosha is counted as compatibility)
Rajju - No Dosha
Veda - No Dosha


There is unsatisfactory match between the birth stars .
Star Match Rating =40%


Papa Points Girl :
From Lagna From Chandra From Sukra
Position Papam Position Papam Position Papam
Mars 2 1 1 1 4 1
Saturn 2 1 1 1 4 1
Sun 12 1 11 0 2 1
Rahu 1 1 12 1 3 0
Ketu 7 1 6 0 9 0
Total 5 3 3


Papa Points Boy :
From Lagna From Chandra From Sukra
Position Papam Position Papam Position Papam
Mars 3 0 12 1 4 1
Saturn 2 1 11 0 3 0
Sun 2 1 11 0 3 0
Rahu 12 1 9 0 1 1
Ketu 6 0 3 0 7 1
Total 3 1 3


Summary

compatibility between Birth Stars not satisfactory - Kerala System Applied

Kuja dosha comparison Satisfactory Serious check enabled
Papasamya Not satisfactory Equal Point - Equal Weightage(1-1-1)
Dasa-Sandhi check Satisfactory Serious check enabled
Yoni Porutham Not satisfactory Serious check enabled

Matching is not recommended.
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Post by astroboy » 18 Dec 2011

Before I go further, :)
by DhoomDhoom » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:57 am
@subramanianp
My boyfriend and "sanyasa"??!!! Hehehe.....you made me laugh!! Why would the only handsome son of a rich businessman practice sanyasa?? Girls are ready to die for him!!
I have no comments to make, or no opinion to offer on Subramanian ji's analysis. But Dhoom dhoom, remember Gautama Buddha? He had 3 palaces built for him. He would have been king. Look where he ended up. Looks, women and money do not stand a chance in front of a planetary combination.

I just could not resist responding to this. :P
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Post by astroboy » 18 Dec 2011

There are three systems of matching charts. Kerala, Tamil Nadu and the Guna Milan system. Papasamya fails when examined from all three systems. There is a Rajju dosha as per Guna milan system. Since the match fails with all three systems, I strongly suggest that You break this relationship. I shall explain why I think he wont be able to carry out this elopment.
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Post by astroboy » 18 Dec 2011

Dhoom Dhoom,

What concerns me about the boy’s horoscope is the position of the Moon. Chandra is the significator of the mind. This Chandra is debilitated and is aspected by the 6th lord Shani. Chandra is caught between Ketu and Kuja. Thus the Moon is hammered from all sides. This Moon is in the Nakashatra of Budha. That is the saving grace for him. Budha is exalted in the Moons Nakashatra. This exchange of Nakshatras is both good and bad. He is normal.......... until he is put under stress. When stressed, you can see the cracks beginning to appear. Apply continuous mental pressure on him, and he will come crashing down like a pack of cards.

You never know what is in the boys mind. He is a dual thinker who will say one thing and do exactly the opposite. The Lagna is caught between two malefics Rahu and Shani. The three benefics in this horoscope Guru, Ravi and Shukra are again caught between Rahu and Shani. There is nothing which shows that he can battle his father, swim against the negative tides that will crop up with elopment, and carry you across to the other side. When stressed, he will crash for sure. The next thing you know, he will be with daddy, and you will be nowhere.

There are some positive points in the horoscope. Guru is in the Lagna and is unaspected by any malefic. He is in the Lagna Lord Ravi's Nakashatra. But you cannot take this as an absolute positive because Guru is the 8th lord and Ravi is in Mrityu avasta. He really can’t do much. He has ideals and wants to carry out his promise to you, but in the back of his mind, he is not sure he can pull it off. He lacks that recklessness to do things on the spur of the moment. Shani's aspect on the Moon gives him a cautious and cunning nature, all other factors being equal. Shani is a scardy cat and will not venture to do things recklessly. He will always think twice before doing anything.

Budha as the 2nd and the 11th lord, Kuja as the 4th and the 9th lord placed in Pushkaraamsha are the two biggest assets in this horoscope. That he will have all the wealth and good fortune can be seen in the horoscope. He is a lucky guy for sure. But all that can be brushed aside because I am most concerned about the state of his mind.

Thus, it is my advice that you break this relationship and get on with your life.
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Post by felix1 » 18 Dec 2011

Astroboy ji,
astroboy wrote:Kuja dosha comparison Satisfactory Serious check enabled
Dasa-Sandhi check Satisfactory Serious check enabled
Yoni Porutham Not satisfactory Serious check enabled
Matching is not recommended.
Just curious, which software do you use for calculating the match scores? Jhora doesn't support this if I remember...

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Post by Narayan » 18 Dec 2011

Dear Dhoom Dhoom:

"can karma of past life affect my present destiny?"

Why not? Everybody in this earth are bound by karma and it is due to some kind of karma only, we are all in some bodies. If there is no karma, then, there is no way u are going to have a body unless almighty wants to take u a body for some purpose or the other.

"We have only one life, right?"

If you consider yourselves, i.e. Dhoom Dhoom as a body then surely u only have one life. On the other hand, if you think that body is an instrument or a toy or a place to live in, then one does have "N" number of lives with "N" number of records. Especially, to get a human body, it is believed that one should have been in at least 1000 bodies and to gain that much punya to be in a human body. Even the Devas wish to be born in this earth as humans and that much value has a human body whereas we after getting everything in hand, have no value for it.

You asked the above question of "we have only one life, isn't it" is because you have been smoked by Rahu. If you had Kethu in Lagna, hardly such a question would have raised.

Anyways, there is no point in telling beyond this to you at this point as you will not understand.

Now, coming to your lover's horoscope, it is he who has Kala Sarpa Yoga and not you. There is chances of he eloping with you, but I would recommend not getting married as there are high chances that marriage will only be short-lived and also there are bound to be fights every now and then. It his D-9 or Navamasha which is supporting his marriage life to a certain extent, but then, he cannot sustain beyond a point. There is a high chance and probability of he loosing interest in a married relationship after certain time if he is not already.

He also cannot raise up to your expectations of a husband and he will not be able to put mind at matter when required.

Your case is also not vice versa. Especially that 7th and 8th lord saturn with Gk, Saturn, and Mars in second house is not at all recommended with your 7th house Kethu.

So, I would not recommend marriage with ur boyfriend.

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Post by Sujit » 18 Dec 2011

Dhoom,
My valuable 2 cents. Interesting. Your ascendant is followed by his ascendant. In your chart dragon's tail Ketu has swallowed your 4th house causes delay and obstacles in happy married life. Sun in 12th is good for profession & fame but not for your relationships like marriage.
Current time is also unfavorable for profession and stay in foreign. Being argumentative is not helpful. There would be changes / obstacles related to your stay, home and job in coming months.
Appreciate your feedback in future.

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Post by DhoomDhoom » 18 Dec 2011

astroboy wrote:There are three systems of matching charts. Kerala, Tamil Nadu and the Guna Milan system. Papasamya fails when examined from all three systems. There is a Rajju dosha as per Guna milan system. Since the match fails with all three systems, I strongly suggest that You break this relationship. I shall explain why I think he wont be able to carry out this elopment.

Ok, I give up the idea of marrying him.
Though I have no idea about Kerala and Tamil Nadu systems or what is Papasamya, but as far as I checked Ashtakoot matching (Guna Milan system) online, our compatibility score is 32 out of 36.

GUNA, BOY, GIRL, MAX POINTS, POINTS OBTAINED
Varna Brahmin Khyatriya 1 1
Vasya Keeta Vanch 2 0
Tara Vipat Janma 3 3
Yoni Mriga Musak 4 2
Maitri Mars Sun 5 5
Gana Rakshas Rakshas 6 6
Bhakoot Scorpion Leo 7 7
Nadi Adi Antya 8 8

Total Guna Milan: 32 Out of 36
Both have 'Low Mangal Dosha'.

Conclusion: This Marriage Is Preferable.

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