My mother asked him, Why a government hospital, why not a private medical college. " he said what difference does it make after I am dead. does the name of the hospital matter to me ?? I decided to donate my self to a government hospital, because the students who pass out from there will benefit the most. It is they who will serve the poor and not the doctor's who pass out of high flying medical colleges.". My mother just kept quiet and signed. 
Hi Basab,Basab wrote:Here's quoting from Chapter 3, ("VISIT TO VIDYASAGAR") of the book: "The Gospels of Sri Ramkrishna"
'Evil of "I" and "mine"
" 'I' and 'mine' - these constitute ignorance. 'My house', 'my wealth', 'my learning', 'my possessions' - the attitude that prompts one to say such things comes of ignorance. On the contrary, the attitude born of Knowledge is: 'O God, Thou art the Master, and all these things belong to Thee. House, family, children, attendants, friends, are Thine.'
"One should constantly remember death. Nothing will survive death. We are born into this world to perform certain duties, like the people who come from the countryside to Calcutta on business. If a visitor goes to a rich man's garden, the superintendent says to him, 'This is our garden', 'This is our lake', and so forth. But if the Superintendent is dismissed for some misdeed, he can't carry away even his mango-wood chest. He sends it secretly by the gate-keeper. (Laughter.)
"God laughs on two occasions. He laughs when the physician says to the patient's mother, 'Don't be afraid, mother; I shall certainly cure your boy.' God laughs, saying to Himself, 'I am going to take his life, and this man says he will save it!' The physician thinks he is the master, forgetting that God is the Master. God laughs again when two brothers divide their land with a string, saying to each other, 'This side is mine and that side is your'. He laughs and says to Himself, 'The whole universe belongs to Me, but they say they own this portion or that portion.'
"Can one know God through reasoning? Be His servant, surrender yourself to Him, and then pray to Him."'
milredr wrote:Hi Basab,
Didnt get the point you are trying to make here. None of us are disputing the fact that freewill is a gift of God. Its God given. However whether you want to use it or not, how you use it for good or bad, is your choice. So what do you mean when you say ego/I/Mine/the post above etc. Can you pl explain. Are you by any chance assuming we are so arrogant that when we say freewill we mean its our will and not God's will? If so, i think you are mistaken Basab. I am really not getting what point your trying to make here.
Dear Meme,meme wrote:one more thing i noticed is that the "go-getters" will never ever blame themselves come heaven or hell and would make the respondent party think twice/thrice about responding ...
here you beat yourself over your head and punish yourself ........
Basab wrote:Milredr,
I am not making any point--I didn't even try that. I wish I had the intelligence to make a point like you all here. I just quoted some lines, which I liked and which I thought of sharing with everyone here. I don't have the intelligence or the knowledge to counter the point of view of you all. It was my biggest mistake writing here, and I made a fool of myself with my rusty logic and my point of view, which was stupid. And then, this line, "destiny is predestined" has become a big joke for you all, but I will like to say this that I didn't write that line. It's a ved-vakya (from one of the Vedas), my father told me. Anyway...
milredr wrote:Hi Basab,
Didnt get the point you are trying to make here. None of us are disputing the fact that freewill is a gift of God. Its God given. However whether you want to use it or not, how you use it for good or bad, is your choice. So what do you mean when you say ego/I/Mine/the post above etc. Can you pl explain. Are you by any chance assuming we are so arrogant that when we say freewill we mean its our will and not God's will? If so, i think you are mistaken Basab. I am really not getting what point your trying to make here.
milredr wrote:
Hey Basab,
The lines are beautiful indeed. Just that it did not have any connection with this thread:). TC Basab
meme wrote:Basab,
that was a statement that had no value judgements..nothing at all......i was just pointing out something that i noticed...
will/destiny/freewill..success/failure..... in the end all are words...every horoscope has faults and we are encouraged to do things and get very quick results.......who knows if the result is good for u in the long run ? would it have been better to suffer than get an immediate result? the heart knows what it wants but what ultimately results no body knows...that is ultimately the beauty of life..that we may enjoy life when we can..doing good..sharing laughter and sadness and trying to bring about some change for good in this world....that is all that can be done
so here is to u Basab.....live life Indra size
regards,
" The Moon is the mind of all, The lord of the senses and emotions, The Moon want's everything because he fickle, tend's to wander, and because he is of nature of Semen, he is passion filled. who ever wants { Gratification} also {sexual} should worship the Moon.
There is no such power in the "I" unless the almighty all pervades in his Pratibimba. So, all actions should be attributed to the Lord. Because it is he alone that can shield us from the facing the Prarabdha of Kaliyuga rupa demons inner and outer. Hari preeti is the sole action eligible for moksha.â€
Though it may be true sometimes I wonder, why every time you find good people and bad ones exist in parallel , particularly In Kaliyuga, we see all evil ones are successful easily (see our leaders for example), good ones struggle hard for survival. What is the hidden lesson God wants you to grasp? On one hand it is said God created Kaliyuga and demons on the other hand same God protects you from evil?
Now that sounds like a joke sir. Sorry, but that does not even qualify for a debate. What kind of an entity plays double standards ? One who is insecure of his power. With fear to be taken away, the entity plays a fight between the two so that the two go down and he himself can prevail. When the entire universe belongs to the almighty, what does this double standard mean ? Do you mean to say he is hungry for the people to bow down before him at any cost so that he gets the ego boost. ? You have belittled the almighty to the lowest level. The almighty who is the chief inspiration of the very purpose of your life, you just broke him (allegory as no one can break the Lord) into pieces.If I say, God creates evil, keeps quite (or may support as well) when it becomes powerful, and then tells good people to remember my name for protection. Except some writings in books, on what basis you cannot rule out the double-standard game played by God?
It is a joke to say some Budha or Guru is making me to do like this or that. Common sense tells that planets cannot control your actions or write ones destiny. Why should they? They are supposed to be just indicators of what you have done (indirectly, they are controlled by you but not other way around) that too if there is truth in astrology. It is like saying the thermometer is responsible for my fever, whereas a meter is just an indicator. If I feel hot under SUN, I know how to make shelter and encounter the SUN. Nature had given some examples of great people like Hiranyakasyap or Hiranyaksha in mythology who has showed guts to put entire globe in to see with hard work and will power. How many of you can do that? Ravana is another best example. Is it not really great that, starting from scratch, Ravana had grown to the level of even controlling the planets? He made the arrogant devas shiver? How many has guts to do like him? These people give great encouragement for the Souls who get stuck or become sick.
Concept of work is whole essence of Geeta. It is the work alone which can even give moksha too.
/ This is why I fear Shani/ Chandra Combination's 
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. This rashi has a ability to win over it's enemies. They always aim high. They are blunt speakers.{ Hitler spoke so harshly, the bird's in the sky fell dead hearing him speak 
/ Just a joke. }. Exactly my point,I will conclude by saying that I am neither in support of complete 'Free will' nor the votary of ' Immovable Fate' I am standing just in between.
Anupamji,anupam1968 wrote:Now Astroboy talked about upachaya houses and related it with free will or human efforts. However, we all know every horoscope is different and can be classified in too many categories. After considering the quality of horoscope we can say in what direction the upachaya houses are going to use their energy. If someone say 'No' I will decide in what direction I am going to use this energy then I would have nothing to say except giving respect to his view but on personal level I will find it almost difficult to gulp down.
A horoscope having criminal combinations surely will use this energy in that direction. A spiritual horoscope will use that energy in realising the ultimate reality. A person who have weak upachaya house, weak Mars and Saturn with all the well known rajyogas, will waste all the good combinations. However, can we say this person has not used his free will when his upachaya houses are already weak and the person who has got the victory over all odds, because of having good third-sixth house, can claim that he used his free will?
If I am understanding Basab rightly then a big 'No' from his side and I am also second to that. The reason is when we talk about the houses of stamina and efforts then surely it has been already destined in the horoscope. Of course if we find those houses considerably weak, with no other benefical combinations in the horoscope, and still he tastes great success by doing great efforts then we can conclude that free will is there.
That is again precisely the point I have always wanted to make. I have read this too in K.N. Rao's book, but thank you for writing it here. I will share one story from my own life. One day, a few months back, I had just gone to bed and immediately I felt a tremendous pain in my stomach. I said to myself mockingly, I have surrendered myself to destiny then let me face the pain and suffer, thinking it to be my destiny. But I thought that I won't be able to do that, and I quicly got out of my bed and took out a strip of antacid from the medicine box and had 2 tablets, and I got instant relief. So I don't think it right that one should sit back and do nothing and chant this mantra that "destiny is predestined", and I don't think one can even do that. I never ever anywhere told anyone that sit back and do nothing because destiny is predestined. I know no one can do that because one cannot stay idle. So when I say destiny is predestined, I try to grow my endurance, try to accept things, which I cannot change. That has always been my point--"what cannot be cured must be endured".anupam1968 wrote:I would like to add some spice to this discussion. It is from K.N Rao's book. There was a lady sitting in front of him for astrological consultation. At a moment she asked Rao "what would have been the use of Rajyogas if I had not put enough efforts to realise the same. So, all the rajyogas are futile if my human efforts are not there. Key is the karma not rajyogas". Rao asked "do you think can anybody remain without karma as per his will? Both are so intertwined that one cannot survive without the another"
Now nature has its own way to give the answer. Right then her child went outside the room and fell somewhere. She heard her child was crying but as soon as she tried to stand up to go and see her child Rao stopped him saying " Don't worry your child would be fine so you need not to go outside. The lady waited for a moment and then rushed outside without paying any heed what Rao was saying. When she came back with her child, who was completely unscathed, Rao politely asked " Why you did not wait for the destined right sitting here in the room instead of doing your karma"? The lady had no answer.
At last Rao replied to the lady " This creation consists of three gunas namely satwa, rajas and tamas and whoever is the part of this creation has to abide by these three gunas. They keep on working all the time. So,nobody can remain idle in this creation.
Yes, I agree with you again completely, Anupamji. But here, you get to read stories of people who make proud declarations of having used their free will. How do they know it was their free will and not destiny? You ask them, and they will shout back that they know that, and they are confident about that. And then, they will take up a birth chart and say this horoscope doesn't have the potential for success, but the person succeeded, and so it was his free will. I get amazed seeing the confidence with which they claim that a birth chart doesn't have any yoga for success, like God has come down and given his assessment of a chart. They don't understand that there are charts, which are very tricky and very difficult to analyze.anupam1968 wrote:Finally, I would say can we find any astrologer who is able to provide predictions with 100% accuracy? Do we have any astrologer who can claim that he has got full mastery over this divine science 'Astrology'?? Once we have him then it will be more logical to say what we have changed and what we have not. Simply because all the predictions will be in front of me and then I will start using my free will to see how much marks I have got.
astroboy wrote:
Because Shukra is Guru's enemy, Venus is dis-inclined to accept any well intended advice from Jupiter ( My Dasha is of Guru) The lord of wisdom and intuition. Librans have difficulty accepting wise counsel. This tendency causes a libran's wisdom to become clouded. This is true for Taurus natives too, who can be stubbon bulls, ( Your lagna lord is there ) but this is less pronounced for them compared to Tula because Tula is a active rashi which ignores advice actively.
by Basab » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:52 pm
I didn't like it, Astroboy, when you made a personal attack here. Just to prove yourself right, you cannot start attacking a person taking the help of astrology. Don't forget that your Jupiter, which you call the planet of wisdom, is debiliated, and your 5th lord (5th house is the house of wisdom), Mercury, is also debiliated, so it is not necessary that your counsel is wise and has wisdom.
astroboy wrote:page no 165 " The Bhava's ( Houses ) Light on life . It's verbatim. .
