Gochar vishesh vichar

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Sarva karya phalamdehi, Sarvaraja vashamkuru
Sarvadeva prasannaya sarvada Guruve namaha
Vedagama vipranam, veda vedhya mahatmane
Shastra naipunya lokesham sarvada priya sadgurum

said in Mahamantra rahasya grantha. So , let us pray Gurudeva to understand Gochar phala of these Navagrahas and their mahatwas in this thread of Gochar Vichar.


To be continued------------

GURU DEV( click the photograph )

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

What is meant by Gochar:-

To understand the shubha, ashubha phala and its duration of shubha and ashubha phala from the placement of transit ( gochar) of grahas in which bava to janma rashi ia called as -- GOCHAR

As per Muhurtha Ganapathi:-

After ascertaining the rashi or nakshatra with respect to ones name ( which is called as Nama Nakshatra or rashi ), one will ascertain the shubha or ashubha phala from the placement of transit grahas in which bava for how long from that rashi is called as -- Gochar.

System of ascertaining the duration of shubha or ashubha phala of the transit graha is called as --- Rashi bhaga kaala paddathi.

To be continued-----

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Gochar phala vishesh vichar:-

From these 4 grahas ( Ravi , Kuja, Budha and Shukra ) one should see Monthly Gochar phala
From Chandra------------------------------------------------one should see Every day Gochar phala
From Guru, Shani, Rahu and Ketu-------------------------one should see Yearly Gochar phala

In practise the Gochar phala of Guru and Shani is seen most of the time .

One should ascertain in the begining how much the shubha phala and how much the ashubha phala of these 9 grahas.
If the shubha phala is more, then the jataka will get more of benefic phala or sukh during that period.
If the ashubha phala is more, then the native will get more of malefic phala /dukh during that period.
If the shubha and ashubha phala is equal, then the native will experience both shubh and ashubh phala or sukh and dukh equally during that period.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Ravi and Kuja will give their phalas in the begining ( as soon as they enter the rashi )
Budha and Chandra-------will give their phala always
Guru and Shukra---------will give their phala during the middle period or Madya kaal or after its half journey in a rashi
Shani, Rahu, Ketu--------will give their phala during rashi anthya kaal or at the end of its journey in a rashi.

Ravi starts showing his phala before 5 days of entering any rashi,
Chandra-----------3 galige or 72mts before,
Kuja --------------8days before,
Budha, Shukra---7 days before,
Guru--------------2 months before,
Shani-------------6 months before,
Rahu and Ketu---5 months before.

Since these grahas aspects the next rashi, it is said that they will start showing their phala as per above days.

Next---------------- different types of Gochar Shani phala !

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

1) 7 1/2 Shani or Sade Sathi Shani in Gochar:-

When gochar Shani in 12th from janma Chandra-------------------------------------------------------2. 1/2 yrs
When gochar Shani in Janma Chandra-------------------------------------------------------------------2. 1/2 yrs
When gochar Shani in 2nd from janma Chandra--------------------------------------------------------2. 1/2 yrs

2) Panchama Shani:-

When gochar Shani in 4th from janma Chandra ( also called as Ardashtama Shani )---------------2.1/2 yrs
when shani in 5th house from janma Chandra ( also called as Panchama Shani )-------------------2.1/2 yrs

3) Ashtama Shani:-

When gochar Shani in 7th from janma Chandra --------------------------------------------------------2.1/2 yrs
When gochar Shani in 8th from janma Chandra ( also called as Kantaka Shani )--------------------2.1/2 Yrs
When gochar Shani in 9th from janma Chandra---------------------------------------------------------2.1/2 yrs

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Total yrs ------------20 Yrs


Shani stays 2.1/2 yrs in a Rashi

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Thus , Shani while trasiting in ones jataka, he will bring many obstacles, pain , misery, grief, sickness etc etc.

Shani stays 2.1/2 yrs in one rashi. Thus Shani will take 30 years to complete one Rashi Chakra.

Some time he becomes Vakra and hence he will take 1 yr more than the usual 3o years to complete one rashi cycle.

Some times he will become Sthambibootha . In such case he will take further 6 months more.( stays in a rashi a very longer period than usual, like what Kuja is there at present in gochar . It is not good that Kuja stays more than 45 days in a rashi . This time kuja stays in Simha rashi/agni rashi more than 6 months. Since Guru drishti is there to kuja and Shani there may not be much problem and the Kuja is not having any association of papa graha. If Kuja stays more than 30 to 45 days is called as Sthambibootha or Sthambana or No movement )

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Therefore, Shani on an aggregate will take 32 yrs 6 months to complete one Bha- Chakra or Rashi Chakra. That is why it is said -------1st ayusha pramana of a person is -------------------32 years

-------------------------------2nd ayusha pramana of a person is -------------------65 yrs ( 32.5+32.5 )

--------------------------------3rd Ayusha pramana of a person is -------------------97.5 yrs ( 65+32.5 )

Dasham Shani ------------------------------------------------------------------------------2.5 yrs ( 97.5+2.5)

Total------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------100 yrs. this is ones Ayush Praman.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

The nakshatra where Chandra is placed is called as Janma Nakshatra.
People predict the dasha from this nakshatra. That is why it is said --- how much the good this janma nakshatra is , that much the native will get the Shubha phala.

The rashi where the Chandra is placed is called Janma Rashi.
If the gochar graha transit in shubha sthana to janma rashi and nama nakshatra, then that day will be a good day/shubh din.

If dosha occurs from this Chandra, then asmadhaan, dhanavyaya, avamaan, kaarya haani, dukh etc,etc will take place in ones jeevana.

The graha will give temporory or tatkal shubha phala when the graha is shubha to janma Chandra or rashi. Whereas shubha nakshatra to janma nakshatra will bring more shubha phala than janma Chandra rashi

We will discuss later the Soothra told by Sathyacharya.

Therefore if Janma Chandra becomes dooshitha, then the native will have to suffer more in his jeevana .

Transit of Shani, Kuja , Ravi in 8th or 12th or in janma rashi from janma Chandra will generally bring dushphala to the jataka. This is sthoola phala. Like that if Kuja , Shani or Ravi transits in papa nakshatra to Janma Nakshatra, then that period will become more kroora to the jataka.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Therefore the prediction of Sade Sathi or Gochar phala through Rashi system is in sthoola marga. If follow this system , then every one has to experience only asubha phala.

Rashi system means-- forecasting the Sade sathi phala ( or gochar phala )when gochar Shani is in 12th, janma, 0r in 2nd to janma Chandra.

Saying the phala of sade sathi under this sthoola marga or rashi system wont give the true picture always.

When i say this , pl dont think that there is no Sade sathi to the jataka.
If u think little more , u find many people got married, built house, performed graha pravesh, devatha prathishta, done the higher education, went abroad, bought and sold many valuable things and also performed many yagas, yajnas during Sade sathi period. Thus many shubha phala and also ashubha phala took place during Sade sathi period.

Thus no one has clearly said --- how much shubha and how much ashubha phala during this period .

To remove this confusion, Krishnamoorthy ( K.P ) by incorporating Nadi Soothra , found out one Soothra, ie:- how to explain the Sade sathi phala in a jataka.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

If u use this Krishnamoorthy soothra, u can certainly predict Sade sathi phala more accurately as to how long shubha and ashubha will be there in ones jataka. This is the secrete of Nadi Soothra.

Since every nakshatra is having 9 divisions , each division is having one Sookshmadipathi or Sub- lord. Therefore when gochar shani transits in any rashi , u have to findout in which nakshatras sookshma the gochar Shani transits.

If the sookshmadipathi Or the sub lord is in 1-2-3-6-10-11 bava from Janma Chandra, then the sookshmadipathis phala is shubha. ( Gochar Shanis sookshmadipathi )

In case the sookshmadipathi is in 4-5-7-8-12 bava from Janma Chandra , that period will bring sade sathi ashubha phala.

So, dear readers u cannot decide Sade sathi phala only from rashi. In case u predict Sade sathi or any gochar phala from rashi and not from nakshatra sookshmadipathi, your phala may differ or may become in accurate.

[navall]

Dear P.Srinivas. Rao Sir,

A very good and informative post, waiting fore more stuff on this.

Here i have a query, like saturn is in Chitra Nak Lorded by Mars,but i dont know how to use KP though i have Jhora, wud u pls let me know how to see Sub lord as u mentioned above, so that i will be able to analyse how good or bad is
sadesati for me, which has just started in Nov,11 for me.

6 May,1985, 4.15 pm, Ambala( 76.49 E,30.19 N) India.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Today is UGADI, i take this opportunity to wish "a very happy Ugadi/ New year" to all the members and readers of this forum.

Continued from the last page :-

For eg:-Gochar Shani on 14-04-12 is in Tula rashi , Chitta nakshatra.

Kindly refer Jagannath Hora for Sookshmadipathi or Sub lord data. In J Hora it is in 1st page bottom where u can see the word--- KP.
Click this and u will get all the information about the nakshatras, sookahmadipathis of each graha in Bava as well as nakshatra lords and sub lords of each bava.

No Jyothish software in India provides the information of Nakshatra lords of each Bava except J. Hora.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

So on 14th, Shani in Tula rashi, kuja nakshtra and in Kertu sookshma till 18-04-12
from 19-04-12 to 15-05-12, Shani in Budha sookshma in Tula rashi

Now let us see Gochar Shani phala of the horoscope who is born on 26-04-1973/ o.26hrs/ Mangalore.

As per the usual method ie: Rashi system---- Gochar Shani in 10th from Janma Chandra is not good .Ashubha phala. This is sthoola krama.

As per sookshmadipathi ( K.P ), Gochar Shani in ketu sookshma and is in 6th from janma Chandra --- this is Shubha phala as per the above rulings of K.P

Since Ketu is chaya graha we have to take the lord of the rashi, where Ketu is placed in Janma jataka,. Here Ketu is in Mithuna rashi and hence we have to take Budha.

Budha is the lord of 6th and 9th house.
6th house indicates--- sickness, problems from relatives and in work place
9th house indicates----journey, good income and the native will think about his future what is his bhavishya.

2) from 19-04-12 to 16-05-12 Gochar Shani is in Budha sooksma.

Budha is in 3rd from janma Chandra---Shubha phala as per the K.P rulings
Budha is in 3rd----short journey, signing agreements related to his job, interested in personal work or job etc,etc
Budha is the lord of 6th and 9th -----the phala is same as above . Here the phala from Lagna and Chandra is same as----- lagna and Chandra lagna is Makara rashi

Others :-
Since Gochar Shani is in 10th from janma Chandra and lagna , the native may not get the returns what he expected as Budha is in 6th from gochar shani.
In this period , the native may some tiime be successfull in getting the old job or business or contract. Vyavahar karaka is in neecha sthana , he should take much interest in his job or business.
Decipline is the key word for those whose budha is in ashubha sthana.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Kindly understand that Maha dasha dosha or Gochar graha dosha is not the only reason for the sufferings of jataka or the native . There are many reasons for ones sufferings viz:- Stree shrap, Pitr shrap, Mathra shrap, Pretha shrap, Brahman shrap, Vishnu shrap, Kuladevatha shrap.

The native will undergo sufferings by these 2 doshas, not able to do the pariharas and ultimately the jataka will end his jeevana.

In fact , in many cases Sade sathi Shani period has given Shubha phala also.
In many times the jataka will improve only when Shani kaata ( trouble ) is there. For eg:- during Sade sathi , the jataka will construct house, perform the marriage of his childrens, purchase land , invest in new business, easily get the loan from Bank or from others, buy and sell vehicles, occupye the highest post

All these happens during Sade sathi period . But the native will do all these shubha kaarya by taking LOAN . Here he will do the shubha kaarya along with loan. Meaning:- he will construct house by taking loan or he will borrow money for his daughters marriage . All these happens when there is Shani kaata.

Because Shani is debt karaka, loan karaka, shrama jeevi, caluculative , working under some one is better than having own business or venturing new business, agriculturist, Krishi jeevi, expenses karaka , spending karaka.

Thus Shani deva by his prabhava , will bring restless life to the jataka during his Sade sathi period.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

During Sade sathi, the natives vyaktitwa would increase and there is a chance of debacle also.

Because every thing depends on ---how the Shani is placed in moola jataka, what is his bala-bala in moola jataka, accordingly the native will get shubha or ashubha phala in gochar

Parihar during Sade sathi :-

No 1 is chanting Hanuman Chalisa daily.
Others :- Black seasame ( teel ) seeds dhana,
namaskar to Naga,
Vishnu sahasra nama parayana,
Lilitha sahasranama parayana,
Ganapathi japa, SriChakra pooja, Giving shelter or food to old aged people,
helping systers during their difficulties,
giving food to crow and dogs,
visit Tiruvennallar, Rameshwaram, Kashi, Srishaila, SriRanga, Shiva kshetras,
keeping calm and silent as much as possible, Chanting Gayathri japa at least 108 times in a day.

In doing these one can escape from Shani dosha or kaata

The native can escape from Shani prabhava, Shani dosha, Brighu Shatka dosha, Kujashtama dosha only when he have anugraha of SriChakra Devatha.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

As per my personal experience , Sade sathi will not harm much if u follow strictly the below mentioned 4 points.

1) Careful about money:-

Money may not stay in hand. Meaning , money will be spent either for sickness, or lost by theft, or gave money to someone and he has not given back, or money spent unnecesserily, Control ur expenses .

2) Talk less;-

During Sade sathi , talk less as much as possible both in office and at home. Do ur work and come back home. Dont have loose talks with anyone.During this period people very close to u may ( at office and at home ) become enemy, so talk less during Sade sathi period especially with ur neighbours

3)Take care of ur health:-

Especially during When Shani transits in Janma rashi. In this period u r made to roam here and there and hence u r forced to eat food outside or no food many times and may some time loose ur patience or u may get angry unnecessarily

4) Daily read Hanuman Chalisa both in the morning and evening

In case u strictly follow the above rulings, there is no need to fear Sade sathi and u feel that u dont have Sade sathi gochar dosha at all.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

One should not fear for Sade sathi. During Sade sathi, he will give us the shubha phala also.But at the same time he will give kashta, shrama and dukh also with shubha phala.

Shani bagwan is karunamayi. If he likes , he will give everything, He give u so much that no other graha is capable of giving that much or stop from giving. In case he dislikes, no other graha can rescue u , no one in this srashti who is more bad than Shani bagwan.

U can understand his prabhava only when u serve elders and Gurus. It requires Gurus and elders anugraha.

No one is shashwath , every thing is tatkalika in this srashti. No one knows what happens next, no one knows what is there for us in future, whether there is apavaad or avamaan ?, whether there is suspension from the job or adhikar-- we dont know.!

But all these are known to Shani bagwan. We get the anugraha of Shani bagwan only when we pray him without ahankar, pray him with pure bhakthi and shraddha. Only then he will bless us and give us his anugraha. Everything happens by our prarabda karma. every living being is adheena to Kaala. No one is Shashwath. It is a non stop journey.The destination is decided only by Shani Bagwan and no other graha have the capacity to decide in this srashti.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Here one may raise a doubt --- is it fair to say about gochar Shani ? Like Sade sathi, ardhashtama, panchama, kantaka, navama shani for 30 long years.
In such case, there is no phala from Maha dasha of other grahas ?" One has to suffer 3o years ?

When u analyse the jataka, u have to say the Maha dasha phala after carefully considering gochar Shani.

As i said earlier, Gochar Shani phala depends on the placement of Shani deva in moola / janma jataka. Shani bagwan is manda graha. He takes 2 and half years to go to next rashi and takes 3o years to come to same rashi. Sometimes he become vakra, stambha and hence on an average 30 to 33 years to complete one rashi cycle/ chakra.

Shani is considered as the Daivas Veena, jyothi of jeevana. On this graha there happens janana- marana, kashta jeevana, jeeva haani, pashu haani, udyoga banga, suspension, apavaad, karagraha vaasa, jai sentence, mosa, vanchane ( duping ) theft, apavaad, stree-shoshana, loosing padavi, adhikaar. All these should be told from the bala-bala of Shani deva in janma jataka and gochar Shani.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Sade sathi Shani, panchama Shani, ashtama shani, navama Shani etc etc in total 28years Shani gives the trouble, kashta- nashta and make a person to reach one level

During the 1st round ( 1st Sade sathi ) means--- during child hood , there will be vidya banga, matha-pitra virodh, kashta jeevana, growing in kashta parampara, has to live in difficulty.

In 2nd round -- roamong here and there for job, vivah banga, vaivahika sukh heena, difference between pathi - pathni, anuman prakrathi, doubtful nature, less of stree rathi sukh, divorce , vaivahik jeevan banga.

In 3rd round-- matha- pitr marana, relatives-pathni-puthra marana, loneliness . Here the jataka/native will feel " enough " in his jeevana

Before he enters the 4th round, the jataka may have left this loka.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Thus Shani deva by taking the anugraha of Jaganmatha, accepting the responsibility from her, carries his duties without any hitch. He is the only graha who never fails in his karma

He is the most prabhavitha graha among Nava grahas. Once he aspects any one, he will make that person unable to recieve any phalas given by other grahas.

Whatever the richness , adhikar a person attains in 28 years, Shani bagwan if he pleases can give all these in 2 years of time to the jataka.

In case he dislikes, he can take away all these in a fraction of minutes whatever the native has earned in the last 28 years.

But to experience that , we may not have that much of shakthi and chaitanya left with us . This graha is like that. He is not a mere graha, he is sakshath SriChakra Mathas vara puthra.

If Shani is balishta or balishta yogakaraka in janma jataka , he will provide sakala vaibhav jeevan phala during Sade sathi period.

We call most of the grahas by their name like Ravi, Kuja, Budha etc, but to Shani graha we call him as Shani Bagwan out of bhakthi and bhaya. This is the visheshathwa of this graha.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

To decide how much papa and how much punya by the jataka, Jaganmatha created Shani graha in this srashti. So , to escape from this graha is quite impossible. To know what have we done can be foundout through Shani graha said in --- Agni purana, Vayu purana.

Once "Jeeva " leaves this body , it will be under Yama battas. That yama battas by the order of Shani deva takes that jeeva in front of Yama Dharma and decide what is to be done further---------------said in Koorma purana. Meaning:- when there is janana- marana, all these navagrahas are near to us. This can be known only to jnanis, this can be known only we pray Maatha Gayathri Devi.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Atma-----------------------------------------------Ravi,
Deha-----------------------------------------------Kuja,
Buddhi---------------------------------------------Budha,
Manassu-------------------------------------------Chandra,
Indriyas-------------------------------------------Shukra,
Showing the target to atma is -----------------Shani,
Margadarshak------------------------------------Guru,
to dissolve/ join atma with paramatma------Rahu--Ketu

These Navagrahas are responsible to move this janana - marana chakra and the dasha--bhukthi is the sole reason.

Bhagawantha give us the shubha phala through this dasha-- bhukthi.
Bhagawatha who gave us everything, same (all) will be taken back by him at the end of our life.

Therefore this jeevana is only a Temporary

Birth is un-expected but death is certain.
We dont know in which mothers garbha we get our birth ?. Everyone has to look forword their death. Only few can postpone their death for few days through daiva bala. Some will succumb to the grip of Kaala and gets death sooner. This is Vidhi vipareetha.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

These Navgrahas are there in this srashti for Loka - Kalyan. No one can escape from them.

Through
Ravi--Chandra, we get------------------------Shakthi and Chaitanya,
Budha--------------------------------------------Buddhi and Vidya,
Guru---------------------------------------------Uttam sanskar, puthra--puthri,
Shukracharya----------------------------------we get our Pathni,
Shani bagwan-----------------------------------ayusha,
Rahu---------------------------------------------punya kshetra darshan bhagya, experiencing kashta--nashta-dukha,
Ketu----------------------------------------------we realise the inner meaning/ secrets of our janma , moksha vichar and then from the same Ketu we unable to experience the various aghaths, surrender at last to panchabootha swaroopa Navagrahas and dissolve ourselves with this vidhis kaala garbha.

This is Srashtis niyama,
This is Srashtis secrete,
This is our jeevanas secrete,
This is bagawanthas niyama,
This is Jyothish shastra,
This is jyothishs moola ,
This is Jyothishs rashasya,secrete

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Let us start with Shani gochar Nakshatra phala;-

Those who born in Ashwin Nakshatra:-

when gochar Shani transits in Ashwin nakshatra----many problems to grand mother ( mothers mother )
Gochar Shani in Bharani nak---------vivah anukool, stree dhana prapthi, property prapthi,
Gochar Shani in Krathika nak--------puthra prapthi, udyoga prapthi,
Gochar Shani in Rohini nak----------Bhoomi-dhana- vahana labha,
Gochar Shani in Mrigashira nak-----apaghath bhaya,
ardra-----------------------------------prayan dosha, marana samaana yoga to brathras,
Chitta----------------------------------brathra arishta,
Swathi----------------------------------pathni anarogya,
Vishakha-------------------------------bhaya to pitr,
Anuradha-----------------------------dosha to eldest brother, udyog beethi ( fear ),
Shani in Vrischika , Dhanu, Makara rashi-------dosha to mothers brother, brothers may leave u, videsh prayan, wife may live in different place, childrens may leave u and stay in some other place, chance of changing the residence,
Shani in Kumba , Meena rashi----------videsh udyog, excellent income from foreign place ,dhana laabh from fathers property.

Next ------------------those who born in Bharani nak

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Those who born in Bharani nak:-

When gochar Shani in Mesha rashi--------Vishesh dhana prapthi,
In Vrishabha rashi---------------------------Dhan laabh from childrens, mother and from brothers
In mithuna rashi---------------------Brathra peeda,problems to grand mother, difference of opinion among elders,
in karka rashi------------------------promotion in job, uttam udyog, help from brothers, problems to mother,
In Simha rashi-----------------------childrens will have uttam bhavishya, laabh from wife, income from property,problems to father
in Kanya rashi----------------------children will get good job, recieve money from mother, improvement of his own property,
in Tula rashi------------------------ problems to brothers, anarogya to wife, problems to father,
in vrishchika rashi------------------transfer in job, lomg journey
in Dhanu rashi----------------------journey, anarogya to wife, trouble in property
in makara, kumba, meena rashi------------dhana laabh, overall improvement.