Gochar vishesh vichar

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

6) If Gochar Shani transits over Sukesh ( 4th lord in rashi chakra ) in Navamsha, or
trikona rashi from Sukesh in navamsha

( For eg:-Makara Lagna, 4th lord is Kuja
In navamsha Kuja is in Kanyarashi
If the Gochar Shani transits over this rashi and
trikona rashi ie:-5th 9th from kanya rashi )

then the phala is -----Pitr haani ( hani ), adhikar haani and bandhu haani.

7) If gochar Shani transits over 11th lord in Navamsha ( 11th lord in janma jataka not in Navamsha ) or
trikona rashi from Labesh in Navamsha
then the phala is------Matr-haani

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

If gochar Shani transits over 9th lord in Navamsha ( 9th lord of rashi chakra ) or
transits over the trikona rashi from 9th lord in navamsha
then the phala is --- dispute with neighbours.

9) If gochar Shani transits over 12th lord in Navamsha or
trikona rashi from 12th lord in navamsha
then the phala is --- Putr-peeda, swa-kalaha

10) If gochar Shani transits over Ketu in Navamsha---- shareera badha, health problems

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

12) If gochar Shani transits over-- Ravi in drekkana,
========do=============---Ravi in Navamsha,
========do=============--Ravi in dwadamasha
then the phala is--Putra peeda, rajya haani

13) If gochar Shani , kuja , Ravi transits over 8th lord in navamsha, then that bava phala will get destroyed during 8th lord dasha kaal

14) If gochar Shani transits over 8th lord in navamsha or
in trikona rashi from 8th lord in navamsha
then the phala is ----anarogya.

15) If gochar Shani transits over Karaka graha in navamsha or
in trikona rashi from karaka graha in navamsha
karaka phala haani.

For eg:- Karaka graha for Lagna ------Ravi or in other words Bava karaka is ---Ravi
Karaka for 2nd house--------------------Bava karaka Guru

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

3rd house------------Bava Karaka is Kuja
4th house-----------Chandra and Budha
5th house------------Guru
6th house------------Shani and Kuja
7th house------------Shukra
8th house------------Shani
9th house------------Guru, Ravi
10th house----------Guru , Ravi and Budha
11th house----------Guru
12th house---------Shani.
( This is for those who are new to jyothish )


16)
If gochar Shani transits over
12 th lord or
4th lord or
4th lord in navamsha or
trikona rashi from 4th lord in navamsha rashi
then the phala is --- Marana to systers husband

17)
If gochar Shani transits over Karmesh ( 10th Lord ) in navamsha or
in trikona rashi from Karmesha in navamsha
then the phala is --- brathra haani.

18)
If gochar Shani transits over the navamsha rashi or trikona rashi from lagna and sapthamadipathi in navamsha----many , many problems and obstacles for marriage.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Shani Dev

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

20)
If gochar Shani transits over Labesh in Navamsha, or
in trikona rashi from labesh rashi in navamsha
--Matr peeda while brothers in far away land ( foreign land )

21)
If gochar Shani transits over Labesh in navamsha or
in trikona rashi from labesh
during 6th lord dasha kaal
--Matr peeda

22)
If gochar Shani transits over
Karma nak ( 10th nak from janma nak )----agni bhaya ( fear ),
16th nak ( sanghathika nak )---agni bhaya,
18th nak ( udaya nak ) ---------marana bhaya, stree moolak marana,
23rd nak ( vinasha nak ) ------anarogya, dwesha,
25th nak ( manasa Nak )-------rog, sickness, abhichara,
( Jataka Marthanda grantha adhar )

23)
Calculate the sum from Shani navamsha to lagna navamsha or
in other words calculate the number of Padas from Shani pada to lagna pada
the sum of the pada is the number of years.
On that year there will be problem from ----aydha bhaya, sheetha bhaya, choradi bhaya, operation.

For eg:-

Shani in 4th pada in magha nak/ simha rashi
or in otherwords Shani in 4th navamsha

Lagna in Dhanu 3rd navamsha or
lagna in Moola 3rd pada in dhanu rashi.

That means --- remaining pada in Simha rashi is ------5 padas
remaining padas in Kanya rashi is ------------------------9 padas
Tula rashi ----------------------------------------------------9 padas
Vrischika rashi-----------------------------------------------9 padas
Dhanu rashi---------------------------------------------------6 padas
------------------------------------------------------------==============
----------------------------------------------------------------38 years
-- ----------------------------------------------------------==============

On 38th year==== above mentioned phala

AND

38+12===50th year,
50+12===62nd year
like that --- the above mentioned phala

AND

38-12====26th year,
26-12====14th year
like that ----alpa dosha, abichara dosha, problems from govt.

Similarly u can do it for Kuja , Rahu, Ketu and Ravi and find out respective grahas phala.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

24)
Shani in lagna ( in janma jataka )
Shukra in kendra to Shani ----------------cunning, crooked

25)
Shani and Kuja in lagna or
Kuja in lagna and Shani in Kendra to kuja
very angry person, fool, aviveki, duracharavanth.
any dushta yog to this Shani and Kuja in gochar------Suicide

26)

Shani in 10th from Chandra-----Shameless man
( Said in National astrology Book )

27)
Vakri Guru + Chandra in 7th,
When Shani comes over the above in gochar----vyapar haani, total loss.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

28)

Sansar kasht ( nadi grantha adhar )

a) Kuja in 4th,
Shukra in 7th,
Chandra in 10th.

b) Shani in 4th,
Shukra in 7th,
Chandra in 10th

c) Rahu in 4th ,
Shukra in 7th,
Chabndrain 10th

But Shani-Kuja-Rahu should not be in uchha sthan,
Shukra-Chandra should not be in neecha or in shatru sthan/rashi

29)
a)
12th--Shani,
8th --kuja,
5th--- Rahu

b)
12th ----kuja,
8th -----Rahu,
5th ----Shani

c)
5th ----Kuja,
8th---- Shani,
12th---Rahu

But these grahas should not be in uchha or in swa kshetra
Phala is --- many many problems to carry on the sansaar, one type of vagabond ( roaming/jypsy type ) jeevana.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

( As per ---Scientific Hindu Astrology grantha )

For Shani Shanthi

Shastha ( ayyappa )
Kiratha kaali,
Venkateshwara,
Koorma sthothra,
Vishnu Sooktha Sudarsha mantra
should be chanted daily

In Valmiki Ramayan , Graha Shanthi has been told like this

Ravi----------Bala Kand 73rd sarg ( chapter )
Chandra -----Sundar kand 5th sarg,
Kuja ---------Bala kand 36, 37th sarg
Budha-------Sundar kand 35th sarg
Guru---------Sundar kand 11th sarg
Shukra -----Sundar kand 36th sarg

Shani -------Bala kand 30th sarg

Rahu---------Yuddha kand 75th sarg,
Ketu---------Ayodya kand 50th sarg.

read the above Chapter for each graha shanthi

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Shanis abharan:-

Neela mani--5ct ring to be worn to middle fingure

Which Sahasra nama for Shani:

FOR SHANI-- SHYAMALA SAHASRA NAMA IS TO BE CHANTED

Shani being the Badakadipathi in 8th---Devatha shrap, sickness due to devatha shrap, garba paath, boils. For this we call it as Shiva Bhooth Shrap.
Meaning, in previous janma, he has done apachaar to Shiva pooja ( done some thing unwanted to shiva pooja )
or stole the devalayas property or devalays property belongs to public, he manage to use that property as his own.
Parihar:- Shiva Linga prathishta, Deeparadhana should be done .

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Now let us see what Bhavishath purana says about Shani:-

Dadeechi maharshi prayed Shani Deva not to trouble till 12 years to the boy,

Pippalad maharshi and Devathas prayed Shani Deva to kill a fearsome rakshas,

Shani prabhava is sole reason for Ravanas vinash,

Shani prabhava is the reason for Dasharaths anthya kaal dukh,

Lord Ramas vanavas , Shani prabhava is the reason,

In Dwapara Yug, Mahabharaths Shakuni is none other than Shanis avathar,

Shani is Mrithyu Karak
he is the reason for death, pain, marana vaartha, marana dukh, Marana bhaya ( fear )
No one is born in this Srashti ,who can escape from Shanis drishti
every one is under his Prabhava.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

In Kratha Yuga----------------Shwetha ketu,
In Tetra Yuga-----------------Savithri,
In Dwapara Yuga-------------Markendeya,
In Kali Yuga begining--------Aruna Giri ( Subramanya baktha)
all these greats had victory over Mrithyu .In otherwords they all won against Mrithyu.

When Shani wants to spoil a person, even God cannot stop it. No God will come to rescue.
No one can stop/ prevent Shani Dev from giving the phala.
That is why it is said--------If he decides to give , he will give VARA/BOON ( Extreme benefits )
--------------------------------If he decides not to give, then that turns to be a SHRAP


Seperation of Nala- Damayanthi is because of Shanis prabhava,

King Vikramaditya lost his country, his kingship, his wife, his childrens and had to roam in a jungle is because of Shani Devs prabhav.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Sathya harishchandra lost every thing and became a lonely man. But after some time he regained it back all and his name everlasted for centuries to come . Shani Dev is the sole reason for this.

Brahma lost one of his head because of Shanis prabhava. The same shirassu ( head ) came to the hands of Lord Shiva as Kapaala and Lord Shiva has to roam 3 lokas by way of bikshatana.--------- Shani Devs prabhava.

For Ganapathi roopa , avathar --Shani Dev is responsible.

Shani Dev is responsible for Godess Mahalaxmi to leave Vishnu and Vaikunta and to take the avathar in this bhoo-loka and Shani dev is the sole reason for Lord Vishnu to take the avathar as SRINIVASA in this bhoo-loka.

Thus Deva, Dhanava, Yaksha, Rakshas, Naag, kinnara, kimpurushas all have undergone to Shanis prabhva.

Lord Hanumans tail caught fire is the classic example of Shanis prabhava.

Thus no graha , no living being in this bhoomi can evade from Shani Devs prabhava.

Etc,etc---------------

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

If Ravi is spoiled in Jataka -----------treat father well, dont make him to shred tears,

If Chandra is spoiled in jataka--------Love ur mother, dont give her the pain,

If Kuja is spoiled-----------------------help brothers in time of their difficulty,

If Budha is spoiled---------------------give respect to mothers brother,

If Guru is spoiled----------------------give respect to elders, give sweets to childrens etc,

If Shukra is spoiled--------------------treat other women as your own mother, dont give pain to ur wife at any cost

If Shani is spoiled---------------------give food or water or shelter to old people

If Rahu is spoiled----------------------protect ur grand mother like a adhar stambh,

If Ketu is spoiled----------------------provide Anna dhan to Sadhus -Sanths-Jangamas

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Who ever is in Kendra to Shani, they will experience the below mentioned phala:-( Only limited expl )

Ravi and Shani in sama-sapthaka /or 7/7

No cordial relationship between father and son, adhikar durupayog, use the power/adikar for bad purpose, often leaving the job or de-promotion or punishment transfer

Shani vs Chandra:-

dullness in jeevana, matr- virodhi, some time had to face the problem for daily income, very difficult to read their mind or to understand. Because some time they take extreme steps which may land them in trouble. Others will benefit from their intelligence.

Shani vs Kuja :-

no mutual understanding among brothers with regard to bhoomi-property-sites-quarrel-fighting-cunningness-cheating-nashta and no improvement at all. Raktha malina- blood disorder-raktha dosha etc, etc

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Sir,

1) Answer to ur 1st query:-

Kindly read once again the following or read again written so far by me.

One should ascertain in the begining how much the shubha phala and how much the ashubha phala of these 9 grahas.
If the shubha phala is more, then the jataka will get more of benefic phala or sukh during that period.
If the ashubha phala is more, then the native will get more of malefic phala /dukh during that period.
If the shubha and ashubha phala is equal, then the native will experience both shubh and ashubh phala or sukh and dukh equally during that period.

The graha will give temporory or tatkal shubha phala when the graha is shubha to janma Chandra or rashi. Whereas shubha nakshatra to janma nakshatra will bring more shubha phala than janma Chandra rashi

Transit of Shani, Kuja , Ravi in 8th or 12th or in janma rashi from janma Chandra will generally bring dushphala to the jataka. This is sthoola phala. Like that if Kuja , Shani or Ravi transits in papa nakshatra to Janma Nakshatra, then that period will become more kroora to the jataka.

Saying the phala of sade sathi under this sthoola marga or rashi system wont give the true picture always.

When i say this , pl dont think that there is no Sade sathi to the jataka.
If u think little more , u find many people got married, built house, performed graha pravesh, devatha prathishta, done the higher education, went abroad, bought and sold many valuable things and also performed many yagas, yajnas during Sade sathi period. Thus many shubha phala and also ashubha phala took place during Sade sathi period.

Thus no one has clearly said --- how much shubha and how much ashubha phala during this period .

If the sookshmadipathi Or the sub lord is in 1-2-3-6-10-11 bava from Janma Chandra, then the sookshmadipathis phala is shubha. ( Gochar Shanis sookshmadipathi )

In case the sookshmadipathi is in 4-5-7-8-12 bava from Janma Chandra , that period will bring sade sathi ashubha phala.

Because every thing depends on ---how the Shani is placed in moola jataka, what is his bala-bala in moola jataka, accordingly the native will get shubha or ashubha phala in gochar

Here one may raise a doubt --- is it fair to say about gochar Shani ? Like Sade sathi, ardhashtama, panchama, kantaka, navama shani for 30 long years.
In such case, there is no phala from Maha dasha of other grahas ?" One has to suffer 3o years ?

When u analyse the jataka, u have to say the Maha dasha phala after carefully considering gochar Shani.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Since janma Shani in mitra rashi in janma jataka ( meena rashi ) , the native has not suffered too much.

Therefore dear readers, Gochar phala should be told as per moola or janma jataka grahas neecha , uchha, swa-kshetras bala - bala, its adipathya and its karakatwa.

Thus before saying who is the No 1 graha , one should see the bala-bala of each graha and decide who will be the No 1 graha. Only then the jyothishi should start explaining phala of any jataka. This is what Acharya says . This is what Acharyas advise to us.

Why do one say that graha will give ashubha phala only when they are bad or spoiled and will give shubha phala when they are good ?

Usually if the graha wants to give ashubha phala ,
then that graha should have the sambandha of 6-8-12th house,
Maraka graha sambandha and
should have Bhadaka graha sambandha.

Like that, if the graha wants to give shubha phala,
then that graha after its udaya should get its required adipathya,
its stithi and gathi should be good ,
its nakshatra, rashi, sanchar and drishti phala should be good .
On this adhaar, every graha gives its shubha and ashubha phala.

Meaning of Shani is -- Kashta, dukha, athanka, pain , sorrow, grief and fear in Shabda Kosha , Saamba Kosha. Lateron performed the required sanskar during various stages of boys life.But some of Karmas could not perform. Why it is not performed is told lateron by Parashara in his jyothish Shastra

Shanis tratiya bava phala:-

Dhan labh,
vahan prapthi,
labh from property,
labh from cows and cattles,
good health,
bratra soukya,
shatru nigraha,
raj- sanman and tour to distant places,
stree-sukh, kaarya siddhi,
swasthana prapthi,
mandagathi in writing any letters or documents or answering,
some time dont get the support from brothers,
agreements - contracts take place

Shani in sashta bava phala:-

Arogya prapthi, kalatra sowkya, runa vimochana,
shatru vinasha,vidya labh, vahana labh,
bandhu sanman, dhana- dhaanya vriddhi,
vaasa sthala anukool, griha nirman, stree sowkya.[/quote]

Shani in eka-dasha bava phala:-

dhana labh through stree, income from own efforts,
bhoo-labh, chances of having new vehicles, always doing sat karma,
quarrel with higher officer and succeed in getting the promotion,
karya vriddhi, ugra swabhava, vishesh income,
Advise:- should not give loan to any body, be careful about money.

For ur curiosity and understanding, i will give one more simple example as to how the Gochar phala to be ascertained, I hope at least this will clarifye ur all doubts. It is always better to say from nakshatra instead of bava while forecasting the phala and u should at the same time consider the perticular graha ( the phala of the graha which u wanted to say ) adipathya and its karakatwa.

It is quite difficult to explain and clarifye each and every doubts in writing.

Next---------------clarification of ur doubt No- 1 in one more method

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Every month each graha gets changed or moved in every Jataka.
During this movement, each month will have shubha and ashubha phala.

Therefore, one can forecast the phala in advance once a year and as per that he can adjust his jeevana and could escape from danger if any.

These vichars has been told in " Kaala Prakashika Muhurtha Chintamani " grantha.

In this grantha , it has been told in Sthoola marg ( In general, In straight line method )
If u say the phala as per this , ur prediction may touch one or two jataka out of 10

So every body started saying that this is of no use. That is why this has not attained prominance among top jyothishis.

Krishna moorthy came up with a soothra which has cleared all short comings in the grantha and kept before us for ur future prediction. That vichar I am highlighting now to the readers benefit.

Infact this soothra is told in " Sathya Samhitha Nadi " grantha by Krishnamoorthys Guru C. G. Rajan ( The great man in Jyothish world )

Infact , for marriage or for construction of house or for further education or for higher jobs etc , etc --- the Guru bala and Gurus presence in janma jataka is very important. That is why for marriage , they see the Guru bala . If the Guru bala is not there , then they wont make marriage to their childrens whether the Guru is balishta or not in janma jataka. Gods ( Guru ) ashirvad is neccessary for any shubh ceremonies so that there will not be any hurdles , problems during the ceremony. Shani will give phala only when Gurus ashirvad is there to the native , thats why Guru bala is seen for any shubh ceremonies.If not Shani will endorses his karakatwa phala to the native in one way or the other, enough confusion in life.

That is why it is said in jyothish " Guru should see Shani or Kuja but not Shani or Kuja "

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

1) In Janma Jataka, if the graha is 5th or 9th lord:-

a) In janma jataka if the 5th or 9th lord transits in 1-2-4-6-8th nak from janma nakshatra ( see only from janma nakshatra ), that graha will provide Shubha phala as per its KARAKATWA.

( How to find out the nakshatra will be told once the main matter is completed , till then just go through what i have written )

b) If the 5th or 9th lords transits in 9th nak from janma nak, even though not much of shubha but it will give shubha and ashubha phala proportionately.

c) If it transits in 3rd nak from janma nak--- u will experience the sukh very often after going through few hurdles.

d) If it transits in 5th nak fro janma nak-- u will experience failures in every effotrs but will experience Sukh at the end.

e) If it transits in 7th -- u will get disappointed evevn after your full efforts.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

[

quote="p.mahesh"]Dear Sri Rao garu,

Please see my 2nd and third questions.... displayed below again.

2) I have some doubt about the basic foundation of KP sytem...
It depends on the rule that (N-1)th house of Nth house signifies denial of N.
Whereas as per definitions of characterestics of houses.. each of 12 houses have their own independent features and not depend/connected to their next house...So, how correct is the poposition of KP that (N-1) represents complete denial of N?

For example, 2,6,10 are for employmet as 2 is income, 6-service and 10 is work visible in public..
As per KP, 1,5,9 are complete denial of the above.. whereas 1,5,9 are deemed to be auspicious houses
over and above...as per definition, House 1 is no way deals with income and earning, so as 5th and 9th.

Another example, 2,5,11 are for child birth... 1,4,10 are denial as child birth..
again, as per definition.. 1,4,10 do not deal with matters of child birth at all....

3) Please remember my earlier Q on finding the day of an event using Gochar..

Thanks and best regards,
mahesh

[/quote]

Dear Sir,

Pl give me the time , deffinetely i will answer.

Regards

P.S.Rao

[nani_ravi]

Dear Srinivas Rao sir,
your posts about gochar are very informative. Thanks for all the postings. I got confused with your last sentence "Guru should see Shani or Kuja but not Shani or Kuja ". can you please clarify this?guru shud see only shani or kuja in transit or janma jataka?
thanks
nani

Every month each graha gets changed or moved in every Jataka.
During this movement, each month will have shubha and ashubha phala.

Therefore, one can forecast the phala in advance once a year and as per that he can adjust his jeevana and could escape from danger if any.

These vichars has been told in " Kaala Prakashika Muhurtha Chintamani " grantha.

In this grantha , it has been told in Sthoola marg ( In general, In straight line method )
If u say the phala as per this , ur prediction may touch one or two jataka out of 10

So every body started saying that this is of no use. That is why this has not attained prominance among top jyothishis.

Krishna moorthy came up with a soothra which has cleared all short comings in the grantha and kept before us for ur future prediction. That vichar I am highlighting now to the readers benefit.

Infact this soothra is told in " Sathya Samhitha Nadi " grantha by Krishnamoorthys Guru C. G. Rajan ( The great man in Jyothish world )

Infact , for marriage or for construction of house or for further education or for higher jobs etc , etc --- the Guru bala and Gurus presence in janma jataka is very important. That is why for marriage , they see the Guru bala . If the Guru bala is not there , then they wont make marriage to their childrens whether the Guru is balishta or not in janma jataka. Gods ( Guru ) ashirvad is neccessary for any shubh ceremonies so that there will not be any hurdles , problems during the ceremony. Shani will give phala only when Gurus ashirvad is there to the native , thats why Guru bala is seen for any shubh ceremonies.If not Shani will endorses his karakatwa phala to the native in one way or the other, enough confusion in life.

That is why it is said in jyothish " Guru should see Shani or Kuja but not Shani or Kuja "

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

Dear Srinivas Rao sir,
your posts about gochar are very informative. Thanks for all the postings. I got confused with your last sentence "Guru should see Shani or Kuja but not Shani or Kuja ". can you please clarify this?guru shud see only shani or kuja in transit or janma jataka?
thanks
nani

Dear Sir,

Regarding this i will explain when Guru gochar phala vishesh vichar in my next thread. Till then pl waite.

Guru should see Shani and Kuja .Whereas Guru should not be aspected by Shani or kuja in Janma Jataka.

Regards

P.S.Rao

[chavitarun]

Respected srinivas sir
namaskar


what if for sagitarius lagna , saturn in 1st house & jupiter & moon in 7th house = both aspect each other

30/07/1989, Female , 17.20 PM , Beawar( Rajasthan)

what is the result ???

regards

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

2 )

In Janma jataka if the graha is the lord of 1-4-7-10th house:-

a) If it transits in 2-4-6-8th nak from janma nak---will get uttam phala,

b) If it transits in 1-9th nak from janma nak-- success after full efforts,

c) If it transits in 3-5th nak--- efforts in the begining but later u will experience uttam phala,

d) If ir transits in 7th nak-- no shubha phala will take place.

3)

In janma jataka if the graha is the lord of 2nd:-

a) If it transits in 2-4-6-8th nak from janma nak-- u will get property and will have handsome income

b) If it transits in 3rd nak from janma nak--- u will loose every thing what u have earned by ur durbuddhi, bad buddhi.

c) If it transits in 1 or 9 th nak from janma nak--- u will earn handsome from ur own efforts,

d) if it transits in 5th nak from janma nak-- u may loose yr money by hearing others advise,

e) If it transits in 7th from janma --- u may loose money and property.

[P.Srinivas. Rao]

4)
In janma jataka the graha is the lord of 3rd:-

a) If the above graha is in 2-4-6-8th nak from janma nak--- all negotiation and contract takes place in your favour,

b) if it is in 3-5-7th from janma nak-----the contract or the negotiation will break down ,

c) If it transits in 1-9 th nak from janma nak --- efforts is more but less phala. With this u may loose mental happiness and may lead to discord in family.