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Living on Speculations and Investments

Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 25 Jun 2011

Hi Learned Members

Now the 5th and 8th Bhavas give speculations and investments. They are better than the 11th Bhava (although I know only the Dharma houses have the grace of God) because you actually do not even have to make any effort to work (although 8th can give bad karma).

We already established that Scorpio Ascendant is good because it rules the 2nd and 5th Bhava - it is a Dhana Yoga.

My father is Scorpio Ascendant. His Jupiter and Mercury exchange places between the 8th and 5th Bhavas meaning he increases his wealth via speculations and investments. The planets being involved is Mercury and Jupiter shows a lot of effort and results can be obtained because of the two planets involved (Mercury and Jupiter although enemies, they normally give strength to the chart not just in the Ascendant but all areas of the chart).

I have already spoken about my Rasi chart having a kind of "annuity"effect ie. the lord of 2nd Bhava going to the 12th Bhava and all the effects on it are trinal lords ie. from the 12th Bhava thereof.

Let's see my Navamsa chart.

The Navamsa Lagna is the Sun goes to the 5th Bhava the house of speculation. It is ruled by Jupiter which sits on the 8th Bhava in its own sign. This means instead of myself doing the speculations, I depend on others doing the speculation and Jupiter happens to stand for my father (in Rasi chart 9th to Sun rules father and Jupiter sits there).

The other co-ruler of Sagittarius is Ketu. Ketu sits on the 10th Bhava of profession and it rules the 4th and 5th Bhavas. Dispositor is Venus in the 3rd Bhava involving writing.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 01 Jul 2011

Hi

Actually the speculative element of the Leo Ascendant is more than what is stated above involving the 5th and 8th Bhavas sharing a common rulership of Jupiter which is the karaka of the 5th Bhava.

The 9th Bhava also has speculative connotations on a grand scale as mentioned in my post under "Insignts Not Found in Classics". 9th is the 5th of the 5th.

Now Leo Ascendant shares a common rulership under Mars for the 9th Bhava and the 4th Bhava. 4th Bhava is ideal for the speculative or chance element. It involves your property (imagine gains in the property prices) and 4th Bhava deals with sole proprietorship.

Imagine Leo Ascendants can almost free itself from bondage in employment.

Mercury the planet of speculation rules both the money houses 2nd and 11th houses. It turns these houses which is normally not associated with speculation into speculative playgrounds. Leo Ascendant by itself has coonotations of the 5th Bhava. Again the speculative element is thus emphasised with Leo overlaying on the Ascendant.

But you say how about Aquarius Ascendant? It has a similar configuration as the Leo Ascendant in terms of rulership. Does it not have a strong speculative element built in the chart? If you do a piece piece by comparison, the speculative element in the Aquarius Ascendant is not quite as strong as the Leo Ascendant. For example, Aquarius as a sign has connotations of the 11th Bhava which does not rule speculation. Also Mercury is also not the karaka of the 5th Bhava, so the 5th Bhava's speculative element is also downplayed. Mars being the friend of the Sun/Moon/Jupiter has more affinity with the 9th Bhava where Jupiter is the main karaka and Sun and Moon are the backup karakas. So the speculative elelment is enhanced more under the Leo Ascendant than the Aquarius Ascendant.

Leo Asceedants people can be ladies of leisure then or men of leisure. :D

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 01 Jul 2011

Hi

Also the money houses of the Aquarius Ascendant are ruled by Jupiter. The do invest thier money through thorough planning. But they are cetainly not speculators as far as money are concerned. Aquarius Ascendant people are very careful of their money in the sense they seldom take risk unless they have thought through the matter carefully.

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Post by amitns » 01 Jul 2011

I agree with this. I an an aquarius ascendant with guru in lagna. i usually invest only for the long term, never indulge in day trading or exotic derivatives and go the well trodden path. may not yield very fast returns but no big losses either

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Post by ravi_iyer » 01 Jul 2011

Hi Khoo

My 8th and 11th lords...guru....is in the 5th house. I see what you are saying.

What do you think about this combination?

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Khoo Hock Leong wrote:Hi Learned Members

Now the 5th and 8th Bhavas give speculations and investments. They are better than the 11th Bhava (although I know only the Dharma houses have the grace of God) because you actually do not even have to make any effort to work (although 8th can give bad karma).

We already established that Scorpio Ascendant is good because it rules the 2nd and 5th Bhava - it is a Dhana Yoga.

My father is Scorpio Ascendant. His Jupiter and Mercury exchange places between the 8th and 5th Bhavas meaning he increases his wealth via speculations and investments. The planets being involved is Mercury and Jupiter shows a lot of effort and results can be obtained because of the two planets involved (Mercury and Jupiter although enemies, they normally give strength to the chart not just in the Ascendant but all areas of the chart).

I have already spoken about my Rasi chart having a kind of "annuity"effect ie. the lord of 2nd Bhava going to the 12th Bhava and all the effects on it are trinal lords ie. from the 12th Bhava thereof.

Let's see my Navamsa chart.

The Navamsa Lagna is the Sun goes to the 5th Bhava the house of speculation. It is ruled by Jupiter which sits on the 8th Bhava in its own sign. This means instead of myself doing the speculations, I depend on others doing the speculation and Jupiter happens to stand for my father (in Rasi chart 9th to Sun rules father and Jupiter sits there).

The other co-ruler of Sagittarius is Ketu. Ketu sits on the 10th Bhava of profession and it rules the 4th and 5th Bhavas. Dispositor is Venus in the 3rd Bhava involving writing.

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Post by mannu21 » 03 Jul 2011

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Post by paichankaun » 03 Jul 2011

hello khoo,

can 5th lord with a node rahu OR ketu give speculative investment in general ?

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 06 Jul 2011

Hi Paichankaun

Yes, it can. 5th lord rules speculations in stock but Rahu rules seeing the future ie. speculations in general other than stocks. The combination can enhance the 5th lord propensity to speculations in stocks and shares. Much depends on whether the 5th lord is in its own or exalted sign. If it is, the 5th lord becomes powerful. If not, then the 5th lord would then be afflicted and one has to wait till Rahu's dasa for the said effects to take place.

With Ketu it can give insight to speculation which other epople does not have. For example, when the stock prices are plummeted in times of a forthcoming war, when everybody is selling the stocks, the person would buy them instead. Whether this is a successful move, depends on this conjunction strength (as described above for Rahu) eg. is the 5th lord in its own sign or exalted etc.

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 06 Jul 2011

Hi Ravi_iyer

The 11th lord in 5th is very good for speculations. Lady Luck is with you all the way. The 8th lord there can give a propensity to take big risks which may sometimes result in losses. But it should be reigned in because 5th house is the house of discrimination. Preferably there should be an aspect from the 9th lord to boost further the luck factor.

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Post by ravi_iyer » 06 Jul 2011

Hi Khoo,

My 9th lord is in 5th as well.

My 1,6 8,9,10, and 11 lords are in the 5th house.


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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 06 Jul 2011

Hi Ravi

Jupiter the karaka and backup karaka for the 5th house is in the 5th is good for speculation. But the main planet for speculation ie. specialised significator is Mercury which also happens to be the funtional ruler and goes into the 6th house of hard work.

With 9th and 8th lord in 5th house together with the karaka Jupiter, you have some advantages to your side for speculation. The 11th lord in 5th as well with the 9th, even shows that your speculative gains can be increasing. But the inclination is governed by the dispositor which is Mercury which is also the main planet for speculation and falling in the 6th house shows you are not willing to take risks. Virgo on the 5th also shows someone who is very careful about going into speculation.

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Post by ravi_iyer » 07 Jul 2011

Hi Khoo,


Totally agree with your assessment.

I tend to be very careful. However I have always been right on speculating about stocks. Anything that I pick, does well. However I rarely buy the ones that I pick. So you are right about whatever you said.

What is your take about the 3 planets in 5th?

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Post by Khoo Hock Leong » 07 Jul 2011

Hi Ravi

Actually if you look at your Hora (Kasinatha Hora), you will find that Mercury the karaka for speculation and financial/capital gains is right smack under your Ascendant. Venus for prosperity and Jupiter for wealth and income both in the 2nd Bhava is weighing your down as well (2nd Bhava has the connotation of responsibility that deters you from taking risks unnecessarily).

Mercury in Hora's Ascendant shows you can ocassionally indulge in stocks and shares but do so with discrimination as Mercury sits in your Dusthana in the Rasi chart.

Your 2nd Bhava in Hora also has Saturn there showing debts and expenses. It means if you do not invest you will lose out!

I think the above prognostication based on Hora is even more telling than the 3 planets sitting on your 5th Bhava in the Rasi chart.

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Post by vjay » 26 Aug 2011

Hi Khoo and others,

I am an Aquarius ascendent and lost heavily(20-25L) in stock market during saturn-mercury period. Any insight? Also how will be my mercury MD ( as the saturn-mercury dasa was very painful financially as well as emotionally).

DOB:10-April-1983
Place : Washim, Maharashtra, India
Time : 03:45 am

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V

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Post by sankar10 » 18 Mar 2012

Hi Learned all,
I have 4 and 5 th house lord exalted in lagna.My 9 lord aspects 9 house from my 3 house.I have jupiter, ketu in my second house and rahu aspecting second house from 8 house.No aspects on my 5 house.
My birth details. 02-DEC-1983 04:02 AM .Chennai Tamilnadu,India.

I have just started a share market venture. Till date lot of obstacles in tat area.Any words of wisdom any one got.

Thank

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Post by gopalrao » 15 Jul 2012

Hi All

Can anybody tell me whether I am eligible for speculative intraday stocks trading ?

My details :

K Gopala Rao
DOB: 13/7/1968 time : 9.30 PM
POB : Visakhapatnam , Andhra Pradesh , India

Currently running Mercury MahaDasa ( Since Jan 2011 ).

Asc : Aquarius.
1st House : Moon
2nd : Rahu
3rd : Saturn
5th : Mercury , Sun , Mars
6th: Venus
7th: Jupiter
8th : Ketu



Thank You Very Much.

Gopal

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Post by gopalrao » 18 Jul 2012

Dear Hock Leong

Currently I am running Mercury Mahadasa ( Since Jan ' 2011) . Mercury is in 5th house. Mercury is also lord of
5th and 8th house. Since 2 houses are activated because of Mercury Mahadasa, will will have heavy impact on me. My details are already posted on 15th July in this thread.

Can please have a look into this.

Regards....Gopal

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Post by harink » 07 Aug 2012

How about my self?

Am Sg Asc with Mercury in it. But the lagna lord Jupiter is in 2nd house Cap which is his Debilated house and also combusted.And the second lord Saturn is in 12 th house in Sc with 8th Lord Moon.

But some one told me that my Ju and Moon gets Neech Bhanga .

Can I start again trading? I was an active trader and lost money in my Ven-Sat period. And Ven-Mer is gonna come from 10th Aug 2012..

Please enlighten me

Thanks in Advance

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Post by motofreak19 » 13 Jun 2016

Dear Khoo Hock Leong

Sir, this post is really wonderful! Gives so nice insights and I am slightly biased towards speculation. Leo Ascendant and have tried being in a job and couldnt. Trying my hand at speculation and worked as a trader, didnt make much profits and back to square one. But the zeal and desire to succeed in the stock market, real estate market, any thing that has any forecasting and also leaning towards gambling is something that drives me!
What is the cause of that? And how to know whether success will come in such endeavors is something that has been slightly bothering me. Well, I know that I can make good money outta it. Just confused whether I will do it myself or through another entity or act as a trading/speculation coach for people out there!
Please suggest how to check these particular things!

Thank you,
Motofreak

DOB : 19th June 1989
Place: Puri, Odisha (19.8134 N, 85.8315 E)
Time : 10-40am
Please suggest what is harrowing me in my endeavors!

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Post by Aman77 » 05 Jul 2016

Hi,

I was in ok postion and than i lost my job. I just develop gambling habbit.
My DOB 27-10-1983
TOB 9.17 am
pob chandigarh

Can somebody pls tell me , Will i be able to pay off my debt.
Will I get profit from gambling.
Any honest answer appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your reply.

Regard's
Aman

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Post by Aman77 » 05 Jul 2016

Hi,

I was in ok postion and than i lost my job. I just develop gambling habbit.
My DOB 27-10-1983
TOB 9.17 am
pob chandigarh

Can somebody pls tell me , Will i be able to pay off my debt.
Will I get profit from gambling.
Any honest answer appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your reply.

Regard's
Aman

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