Hi,
Hope things are going well. Have some questions regd dushtana rules in Phaladeepika.
1) When a planet owns two houses - Saturn say 6th and 7th for Leo ascendant, then it primarily gives results of Mooltrikona according to Phaladeepika. So in this case it primarily gives results of Aquarius.
2) But it is also said that in 15.29 that if lord of dushtana is occupied in another houses of his own, it will primarily give the results of that house during its dasha. For example Leo lagna if Saturn occupies Makara 6th house, then it will only give results of Makara and lots of enemies, issues. It will not give any results of its Mooltrikona. Am i right?
3) I have lots of confusion about dushtana lord. In general , if dushtana lord is in its own sign then does it mean dushtana and bad significations are high?
4) If dushatana lord in placed in debilitation or weak rasi then does it mean that there will be no issues and sufferings due to these houses?
5) If dushtana lord is placed in kendra or trikona in strong sign what happens? What happens if it is placed in weak sign?
6) What happens in case a debilitated planet is placed in a dushtana house? Ex. Jupiter placed in makara for Leo lagna? In one case - Bernard Arnault wealthiest man in the world- he has this and seems to have lived a trouble free life. Another case Kilian Mbappe has had much success and victory over enemies.
Phaladeepika dushatana rules
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Re: Phaladeepika dushatana rules
2) But it is also said that in 15.29 that if lord of dushtana is occupied in another houses of his own, it will primarily give the results of that house during its dasha. For example Leo lagna if Saturn occupies Makara 6th house, then it will only give results of Makara and lots of enemies, issues. It will not give any results of its Mooltrikona. Am i right?
Reply:
Saturn, as the ruler of the 6th house, when positioned in the 6th house, fosters a disciplined and systematic lifestyle marked by adherence to routines and protocols. Regarding the theme of "enemies," a strong 6th lordship enhances the native's ability to discern hostility and anticipate/estimate/get aware of their enemies' and adversaries' actions, enabling them to engage in strategic and cautious confrontations. However, from an external perspective (for native and others), it may appear that the native is surrounded by adversaries/enemies and expending unnecessary energy on conflicts. Nonetheless, these confrontations are crucial for the native's growth and self-defense. Notably, Saturn's placement in the 12th house from its own sign of Aquarius suggests a potential conflict with the natural significations of Aquarius, the mooltrikona house of Saturn, thereby emphasizing the need for balance in addressing challenges while honoring Saturn's broader potentials. This 6th house placement can indeed indicate a focus on addressing enemies and obstacles, potentially at the expense of Saturn's natural significations for the native's mooltrikona house, which is Aquarius. The placement of the 7th lord in the 6th house indeed suggests the potential involvement of the spouse or significant others in conflicts and disputes. This placement may indicate a need for the native to confront challenges and adversities in various relationships, including marriage. The 6th house's domain of conflicts and obstacles suggests that these challenges may require the native to actively engage in resolving disputes and overcoming obstacles, both in personal relationships and other areas of life. It signifies a period where the native may need to assert themselves and stand up against opposition or conflicts arising from partnership dynamics. However, with patience, resilience, and effective communication, the native can navigate these challenges and emerge stronger from the experience. This placement of saturn in 6th house is a result of past life deeds.
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Saturn, as the ruler of the 6th house, when positioned in the 6th house, fosters a disciplined and systematic lifestyle marked by adherence to routines and protocols. Regarding the theme of "enemies," a strong 6th lordship enhances the native's ability to discern hostility and anticipate/estimate/get aware of their enemies' and adversaries' actions, enabling them to engage in strategic and cautious confrontations. However, from an external perspective (for native and others), it may appear that the native is surrounded by adversaries/enemies and expending unnecessary energy on conflicts. Nonetheless, these confrontations are crucial for the native's growth and self-defense. Notably, Saturn's placement in the 12th house from its own sign of Aquarius suggests a potential conflict with the natural significations of Aquarius, the mooltrikona house of Saturn, thereby emphasizing the need for balance in addressing challenges while honoring Saturn's broader potentials. This 6th house placement can indeed indicate a focus on addressing enemies and obstacles, potentially at the expense of Saturn's natural significations for the native's mooltrikona house, which is Aquarius. The placement of the 7th lord in the 6th house indeed suggests the potential involvement of the spouse or significant others in conflicts and disputes. This placement may indicate a need for the native to confront challenges and adversities in various relationships, including marriage. The 6th house's domain of conflicts and obstacles suggests that these challenges may require the native to actively engage in resolving disputes and overcoming obstacles, both in personal relationships and other areas of life. It signifies a period where the native may need to assert themselves and stand up against opposition or conflicts arising from partnership dynamics. However, with patience, resilience, and effective communication, the native can navigate these challenges and emerge stronger from the experience. This placement of saturn in 6th house is a result of past life deeds.
Luminous Omnipotent Valley of Astrology
Re: Phaladeepika dushatana rules
3) I have lots of confusion about dushtana lord. In general , if dushtana lord is in its own sign then does it mean dushtana and bad significations are high?
Reply:
Rather than solely attributing it to negative significations, can interpret it as indicating an increased awareness or emphasis on the themes associated with the dushtana houses.
Consider an analogy: an atheist doesn't believe in God and never worries about him. But, one day, what if suddenly becomes aware of God's presence and turns into a devout worshiper, praying fervently? Similarly, when a planet is in its own house, the native realizes the importance of those areas and becomes deeply involved in them. Some positive implications of dushthana lords in their houses:
6th lord in 6th house: This placement enables the native to counterattack enemies effectively and strengthens their ability to face and overcome adversaries.
8th lord in 8th house: It signifies good longevity and a robust (strong mooladhara chakra) constitution, ensuring the native's ability to endure and overcome challenges and obstacles in life.
12th lord in 12th house: This placement indicates a strong awareness of hidden enemies and secret adversaries. The native possesses a keen intuition and the ability to navigate covert threats effectively.
Having a planet in its own house is generally considered beneficial, as it strengthens the significations associated with that planet and house. However, challenges may arise when malefic planet(s) cast their aspect on the house or the planet in its own house. These malefic influences can disrupt the positive outcomes associated with the planet's placement in its own house and introduce complications or obstacles in the areas governed by that house. Therefore, while a planet in its own house offers inherent strength and stability, the presence of malefic aspects can create difficulties and require careful consideration.
Reply:
Rather than solely attributing it to negative significations, can interpret it as indicating an increased awareness or emphasis on the themes associated with the dushtana houses.
Consider an analogy: an atheist doesn't believe in God and never worries about him. But, one day, what if suddenly becomes aware of God's presence and turns into a devout worshiper, praying fervently? Similarly, when a planet is in its own house, the native realizes the importance of those areas and becomes deeply involved in them. Some positive implications of dushthana lords in their houses:
6th lord in 6th house: This placement enables the native to counterattack enemies effectively and strengthens their ability to face and overcome adversaries.
8th lord in 8th house: It signifies good longevity and a robust (strong mooladhara chakra) constitution, ensuring the native's ability to endure and overcome challenges and obstacles in life.
12th lord in 12th house: This placement indicates a strong awareness of hidden enemies and secret adversaries. The native possesses a keen intuition and the ability to navigate covert threats effectively.
Having a planet in its own house is generally considered beneficial, as it strengthens the significations associated with that planet and house. However, challenges may arise when malefic planet(s) cast their aspect on the house or the planet in its own house. These malefic influences can disrupt the positive outcomes associated with the planet's placement in its own house and introduce complications or obstacles in the areas governed by that house. Therefore, while a planet in its own house offers inherent strength and stability, the presence of malefic aspects can create difficulties and require careful consideration.
Luminous Omnipotent Valley of Astrology
Re: Phaladeepika dushatana rules
4) If dushatana lord is placed in debilitation or weak rasi then does it mean that there will be no issues and sufferings due to these houses?
Reply:
The debilitation or weakness of a dushthana lord doesn't automatically imply the absence of challenges related to the dushthana houses. Instead, it may indicate a lesser awareness or sensitivity to the issues represented by those houses.
The debilitation or weakness of a dushthana lord doesn't automatically imply the absence of challenges related to the dushthana houses. Instead, it may indicate a lesser awareness or sensitivity to the issues represented by those houses. Additionally, from a biological perspective, it could signify potential weaknesses or defects in the body parts associated with the planets ruling those houses.
Example: A debilitated 6th lord may suggest that the native lacks - a sense of discipline, organization, and strategic approach to dealing with challenges. Would struggle to maintain a systematic lifestyle and find it difficult to employ effective fighting techniques when confronted with obstacles or enemies. This can lead to a lack of awareness or readiness to address issues related to the 6th house, such as health, enemies, and daily routines.
A debilitated 8th lord can bring challenges related to transformations, sudden changes, obstacles, hidden secrets, and longevity. Would find it difficult to navigate through periods of upheaval and may struggle with transformative experiences. Obstacles in accessing hidden knowledge or facing hidden enemies may arise. Would lack the understanding of how to embrace transformation in life and could remain stubborn in maintaining their previous mindset. Would face challenges in social interactions and understanding the needs of others. There would be weaknesses or issues related to the genital organ and its activity. The soul energy in the mooladhara chakra would be weakened.
A debilitated 12th lord would indicate challenges or difficulties related to matters governed by the 12th house, such as losses, expenses, isolation, spirituality, and confinement. The native would struggle with managing expenses bcz of lack of awareness. There would be challenges in spiritual practices or a lack of interest in matters related to spirituality. Would find it hard to let go of attachments or would struggle with issues related to foreign travel or settlement. Would never know about his secret enemies and easily get cheated.
if the lagna lord is strong (own sign or exalted (not in 6/8/12)), it can provide the native with the ability to lead a happier life despite the challenges indicated by the debilitated planets.
Reply:
The debilitation or weakness of a dushthana lord doesn't automatically imply the absence of challenges related to the dushthana houses. Instead, it may indicate a lesser awareness or sensitivity to the issues represented by those houses.
The debilitation or weakness of a dushthana lord doesn't automatically imply the absence of challenges related to the dushthana houses. Instead, it may indicate a lesser awareness or sensitivity to the issues represented by those houses. Additionally, from a biological perspective, it could signify potential weaknesses or defects in the body parts associated with the planets ruling those houses.
Example: A debilitated 6th lord may suggest that the native lacks - a sense of discipline, organization, and strategic approach to dealing with challenges. Would struggle to maintain a systematic lifestyle and find it difficult to employ effective fighting techniques when confronted with obstacles or enemies. This can lead to a lack of awareness or readiness to address issues related to the 6th house, such as health, enemies, and daily routines.
A debilitated 8th lord can bring challenges related to transformations, sudden changes, obstacles, hidden secrets, and longevity. Would find it difficult to navigate through periods of upheaval and may struggle with transformative experiences. Obstacles in accessing hidden knowledge or facing hidden enemies may arise. Would lack the understanding of how to embrace transformation in life and could remain stubborn in maintaining their previous mindset. Would face challenges in social interactions and understanding the needs of others. There would be weaknesses or issues related to the genital organ and its activity. The soul energy in the mooladhara chakra would be weakened.
A debilitated 12th lord would indicate challenges or difficulties related to matters governed by the 12th house, such as losses, expenses, isolation, spirituality, and confinement. The native would struggle with managing expenses bcz of lack of awareness. There would be challenges in spiritual practices or a lack of interest in matters related to spirituality. Would find it hard to let go of attachments or would struggle with issues related to foreign travel or settlement. Would never know about his secret enemies and easily get cheated.
if the lagna lord is strong (own sign or exalted (not in 6/8/12)), it can provide the native with the ability to lead a happier life despite the challenges indicated by the debilitated planets.
Luminous Omnipotent Valley of Astrology
Re: Phaladeepika dushatana rules
6) What happens in case a debilitated planet is placed in a dushtana house? Ex. Jupiter placed in makara for Leo lagna? In one case - Bernard Arnault wealthiest man in the world- he has this and seems to have lived a trouble free life. Another case Kilian Mbappe has had much success and victory over enemies.
Reply:
When a debilitated planet is positioned in a dushtana (malefic) house, it can indicate intensified challenges and difficulties related to the significations of the planet, the house the planet rules, the house it occupied. The debilitation weakens the planet's ability to function effectively. This suggests that the areas of life represented by the debilitated planet and the dushtana house may experience significant obstacles, setbacks, and adversities. The native may struggle to handle the affairs governed by that planet and house, facing increased stress, frustration, and limitations in those areas of life. However, the specific effects will depend on various factors (chart dynamics), such as other planetary arrangement and assistance, etc.
Bernard Arnault: (details taken from astro data bank)
born on 5 March 1949 at 17:00 (= 5:00 PM )
Place Roubaix, France, 50n42, 3e10
Timezone MET h1e (is standard time)
(Rodden Rating AA)
Leo ascendant; In his horoscope, the placement of Mercury, the planet of intelligence and communication, as the 11th lord in the 6th house suggests the ability to overcome adversaries and win in conflicts. Jupiter's debilitation is cancelled by Saturn's placement in the lagna, which cancels out several negative effects (except a few). Jupiter in an earthy sign is favorable for financial matters, indicating prosperity and abundance in wealth accumulation. Exceptions would be those related to health or biological issues.
Mbappé, Kylian (details taken from astro data bank)
born on 20 December 1998 at 01:47 (= 01:47 AM )
Place Paris, France,
(Rodden Rating AA)
virgo ascendant; Mars exchanged house with lagna lord mercury. Mars is in lagna and is in 10th from Moon sign, cancels debilitation of Saturn. Jupiter is in 6th, shows loss to the opponent. 2nd, 9th lord Venus is with 11th lord moon, and Rahu in 11th house indicates dhan yoga.
Astrology is a complex system with numerous rules and factors influencing each other. It's crucial to approach chart analysis with a nuanced understanding, considering the interplay of various planetary ownerships, placements, aspects, strengths, and weaknesses. Applying a single rule without considering the other rules can lead to inaccurate interpretations. Need to blend various indicators and rules and figure out which ones matter most and affect others. Different rules or interpretations may offer conflicting guidance, but it's essential to carefully assess the strength and logic of each before drawing conclusions.
Reply:
When a debilitated planet is positioned in a dushtana (malefic) house, it can indicate intensified challenges and difficulties related to the significations of the planet, the house the planet rules, the house it occupied. The debilitation weakens the planet's ability to function effectively. This suggests that the areas of life represented by the debilitated planet and the dushtana house may experience significant obstacles, setbacks, and adversities. The native may struggle to handle the affairs governed by that planet and house, facing increased stress, frustration, and limitations in those areas of life. However, the specific effects will depend on various factors (chart dynamics), such as other planetary arrangement and assistance, etc.
Bernard Arnault: (details taken from astro data bank)
born on 5 March 1949 at 17:00 (= 5:00 PM )
Place Roubaix, France, 50n42, 3e10
Timezone MET h1e (is standard time)
(Rodden Rating AA)
Leo ascendant; In his horoscope, the placement of Mercury, the planet of intelligence and communication, as the 11th lord in the 6th house suggests the ability to overcome adversaries and win in conflicts. Jupiter's debilitation is cancelled by Saturn's placement in the lagna, which cancels out several negative effects (except a few). Jupiter in an earthy sign is favorable for financial matters, indicating prosperity and abundance in wealth accumulation. Exceptions would be those related to health or biological issues.
Mbappé, Kylian (details taken from astro data bank)
born on 20 December 1998 at 01:47 (= 01:47 AM )
Place Paris, France,
(Rodden Rating AA)
virgo ascendant; Mars exchanged house with lagna lord mercury. Mars is in lagna and is in 10th from Moon sign, cancels debilitation of Saturn. Jupiter is in 6th, shows loss to the opponent. 2nd, 9th lord Venus is with 11th lord moon, and Rahu in 11th house indicates dhan yoga.
Astrology is a complex system with numerous rules and factors influencing each other. It's crucial to approach chart analysis with a nuanced understanding, considering the interplay of various planetary ownerships, placements, aspects, strengths, and weaknesses. Applying a single rule without considering the other rules can lead to inaccurate interpretations. Need to blend various indicators and rules and figure out which ones matter most and affect others. Different rules or interpretations may offer conflicting guidance, but it's essential to carefully assess the strength and logic of each before drawing conclusions.
Luminous Omnipotent Valley of Astrology